Costa Concordia sinking leaves other cruise ship passengers alarmed — and out of luck

January 21, 2012

The tragic sinking of the Costa Concordia cruise ship last week is leaving a line of worried passengers in its wake. Betty Westbrook is among them. The retiree from Allen, Tex., called me hours after the ship sank off the Italian coast, hoping that I could help her. “What are my chances for a refund?” she asked.

Westbrook believes that had she been aboard the cruise liner, she might have been a casualty. “I’m 82, and I couldn’t have made it off the ship without help,” she says. Reading about the Concordia crew’s alleged unpreparedness for disaster has made her nervous about her February cruise to the Bahamas on the Carnival Magic.

The Concordia went down Jan. 13 after running aground near the island of Giglio. At least 11 passengers died. The ship’s captain, Francesco Schettino, is reported to have maneuvered the ship too close to a fishing village. He has been arrested and is under investigation for abandoning ship, causing a shipwreck and manslaughter.

Costa Cruises is owned by Miami-based Carnival, the world’s largest cruise line operator, and not surprisingly, some passengers are now having second thoughts about their floating vacation. A nonscientific online survey conducted soon after the disaster by the opinion Web site SodaHead.com found that one-quarter of those polled were “less likely” to book a cruise after the Costa disaster.

Westbrook told me that when she heard about Carnival’s handling of the Concordia sinking, she phoned her travel agency immediately to find out whether she could cancel her cruise.

The answer to her question is: no refunds — at least not for her.

“We’re not making any changes to our refund policy,” said Carnival spokesman Vance Gulliksen. If she canceled, Westbrook would lose her deposit or 75 percent of the total cruise fare, whichever is greater.

Costa, however, is offering passengers scheduled to sail on the Concordia through Feb. 25 their money back and a 30 percent cruise credit.

Meanwhile, the cruise line says it is covering the costs of lodging and return transportation for the Concordia’s survivors, as well as offering counseling to the passengers and their families “as needed.” It is also refunding all voyage costs, including onboard expenses.

In a statement issued just after the incident, Costa and its corporate parent sought to assure passengers such as Westbrook that its vessels are safe. “Costa is committed to ensuring that no such incident ever occurs again,” it said. “Our number-one priority is always the safety and security of our guests and crew, and we comply with all safety regulations.”

But passengers have some cause for concern, particularly when it comes to Costa, says Miami-based maritime lawyer Jim Walker. “In the last two years, Costa has had three significant incidents where crew members have been killed and passengers have been injured,” he says.

On Feb. 26, 2010, the Costa Europa rammed into a pier in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, as it was trying to dock in rough weather. Three crew members were killed and three passengers were injured. And on Oct. 18, 2010, the Costa Classica collided with a Belgian cargo ship near China’s Yangtze River, injuring several passengers.

Costa’s safety record isn’t the only thing that should frighten passengers, say Walker and other legal experts. Also worrisome are the flimsy legal rights passengers have when they book a cruise, outlined in a legal document known as the ticket contract, which is available on the cruise line’s Web site and is normally included with your ticket.

For passengers with future cruise plans, the contract delivers some bad news: If you want a refund, and you’re within two weeks of departing on a European cruise, you’re out of luck. (If it’s anywhere between 44 and 15 days until your vacation, you can get half your money back.)

The contract is equally restrictive as it applies to the Concordia’s survivors. The fine print limits the cruise line’s liability to about $71,000 per passenger, requires that any claim against the company be filed within a year, restricts the filing venue to a court in Genoa, Italy, and applies Italian law to resolving the dispute.

For cruises from U.S. ports, Costa’s contract limits the venue for filing lawsuits to the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, effectively turning any lawsuit into a costly federal case. Other ticket language prevents smaller complaints from being brought together as class actions, further limiting passengers’ access to justice, say legal experts.

Cruise line claims adjusters often send a series of letters to injured survivors, asking for more information. The time required for correspondence and documentation runs down the clock on any claims, according to David Deehl, an adjunct law professor at the University of Miami and the vice chairman of the American Bar Association’s Admiralty and Maritime Law Committee.

“They’re appearing to want to settle, asking for more and more information,” he says. In fact, they’re usually intent on paying the least they can under the law.

One place where cruise lines move quickly is in shoring up their own defense, Deehl notes. “They have their own civil defense lawyers who are often flown right to the ship to interview crew and passengers immediately, locking in their defense theories with sworn testimony,” he told me.

If you’re considering a cruise vacation, experts suggest reviewing the ticket contract before booking to know what rights you have. If you’re uncomfortable with the terms, they recommend sticking to a land-based vacation.

Travel insurance might help the Concordia’s survivors recover some of their lost property and pay for the expense of their interrupted vacation. But only the most expensive policy, known as “cancel for any reason” insurance, would have allowed a passenger such as Westbrook to get a refund. (And read the policy carefully — some “cancel for any reason” policies offer only a percentage of your money back.)

Westbrook says her friends have advised her to stop worrying. After all, her vacation is taking place half a world away and on a different cruise line, even if it’s owned by the same company. But she says it’s difficult, although “it looks like I don’t have much of a choice.”

It’s too bad the survivors had to wait until the Concordia sank before they discovered that they have few rights of redress. And too bad it took a maritime disaster to reveal to other cruise passengers that they have virtually the same problem.

(Photo: Jason Sam field/Flickr)

  • Anonymous

    Thru Feb. 25th?  Are you serious?  Who in their right mind would sail on that ship?  Forget, for a minute, about the bad mojo surrounding the vessel.  What about unseen structural damage from the ship rolling over?  What if the company takes a few shorcuts re-habing theship? 

  • Anonymous

    Seriously?  Do you post an article after a plane crash gravely informing your readers that they cannot now cancel their ticket for a much later date? (on another airline, no less…)

    And I don’t believe the record for safety incidents for Costa is necessarily out of line with the industry average… I trust that lawyer’s website for about as long as it takes to load it.  (I found two factual errors on his website in under three minutes.)

  • Anonymous

    This date will undoubtedly be extended.  If it takes more than seventy days (and there is no doubt it will) anyone currently holding a Concordia ticket is entitled to a full refund  for any monies paid.

    NOTE: This was in reply ty Cybersk8r, but Disqus didn’t thread it for some reason…

  • Anonymous

    IT doesn’t mean Carnival is considering putting it back to service in FEb. 25th (that is impossible, technically speaking), just that is hasn’t decided on what to do with further scheduled cruises yet. 

  • Anonymous

    If I am not mistaken, there are still about 21 people unaccounted for. They are still blowing out holes to get to parts of the ship that’s under water. This story is far from over. But it does bring forward the question of cruise ship safety. Simply watching the videos of how people had to climb done [one] rope to get to the rescue boats made me decide NEVER to get into one of those monstrous ships. You cruising folks can have all the fun to yourselves.

  • http://twitter.com/uftukel Uf Tukel

    This was a popular itinerary. It’s possible that Costa may decide to move a ship from another, less popular itinerary to take over this route.  

  • Anonymous

    I have a friend in Paris who is a lawyer — studied both in Italy and in USA.  The complications on this cruise would fill a book.  I am waiting to see how it all comes out!

  • Anonymous

    I really can’t understand why anyone would want to cancel a cruise because a ship went down.  It just doesn’t happen once in a lifetime. I’m very little younger than this lady and would never cancel a trip.  Hate cruising, but airplanes go down much more
    frequently, and I’m not afraid to fly

  • Anonymous

    Planes, trains, and automobiles crash all the time killing people.  The reasons are many ranging from bad maintenance to incompetence of the operators.  But you don’t hear of people wanting to cancel their vacation trips because of those incidents so why should anyone be allowed to cancel a cruise because of this incident?

    I look at it this way, this one incident has caused so much negative publicity for the cruise line they will do, as they stated, everything possible to insure nothing like this ever happens again.  Right now is probably the best time and the safest time to go on a cruise while this is still front page news.

    As far as legal rights, I doubt if you read any contract of carriage or equivalent document for any form of travel or even hotel booking details you will find that you as the purchaser of those services have no more recourse than the cruise ship passengers if anything goes wrong.  Travel providers have a lot of lawyers making a lot of money to insure nobody will be able to collect anything from them they don’t want to provide.

  • Anonymous

    Price.  That is why people deal with this company.

    Their cruises are some of the lowest priced in all the areas they cruise.  Now, all of their Mediterranean cruises are around 50% off.  With the current approach by most travelers of wanting to pay the least amount possible for travel, this company and others like it do a great deal of business.  

  • Anonymous

    Do any of us have enough rights any more?

    Many services corporations are moving to forced arbitration now, not just the cruise lines: banks and credit cards, gaming services like PlayStation Network, even hospitals.

    And the Supreme Court just keeps giving the thumbs up while Congress does nothing.

  • Anonymous

    I wouldn’t tell anybody to cancel a cruise over this, or any of the other potential safety issues with cruising (such as crimes that can occur).

    I would, however, not recommend Costa, nor Carnival in general.

  • Anonymous

    Not even NO but HELL NO!

    i’m not litiguous, but 71k for killing passengers, especially when the Captain is Criminally culpable is ludicrous.

    When the man in charge does what this guy did, the company should be made to pay out of both its upper & lower orifaces.

    You can also bet that all ships will now have escape drills prior to or shortly after departure.

    By the way, we’re cruising on Carnival out of Balt on the 29th.  I’m not worried, wife is not worried.  Just make sure you are familiarized with safety procedures & know what you need to do to save yourself, & especially don’t count on someone else (read this as the guy from the laundry, etc) to help you.

    People have to be responsible for their actions & own safety, & when “stuff” happens that’s no one’s fault, “oh well”.

    When the incident is the “seriously negligent” fault of another (like this one), all bets are off, go get em! 

    I’ve owned a lot of boats, including coastal ocean boats  & one thing my many years in Alaska tought me; when in cold water, never get farther from shore than you can swim in 5 minutes. lol

    So, not possible on one of these things so know where the rafts, boats, life preservers etc, are, & how to get to them & be in position for launch before the mob prevents you from saving yourself.(family etc)

  • Anonymous

    In early 2007 I booked a Greece-travel package that included several days on the Sea Diamond, a cruise-ship owned by Louis Cruises.  We were to leave in June.  Several weeks earlier, however, the drunken captain of the Sea Diamond managed to sink the ship off the coast of the island of Santorini, killing two passengers (their bodies were never recovered, and the ship is still down there).  Captain and several members of his GROSSLY NEGLIGENT crew–they must have been quite a team!–were rightly arrested. 

    One of the claims repeatedly made by pax was that the safety-drill was not attended by everyone, and that many pax who did were clowning around and didn’t pay attention to the instructions.  These were the ones, naturally, who didn’t know what to do when it really mattered–and since the ships’ officers were failing to give them proper directions, they really needed to know! 

    So what were we to do?  Too late to cancel our trip…  Louis scrambled to find a replacement vessel and we went.  I was immediately convinced that it was the safest possible time for us to cruise.  The entire Louis crew was FANATICAL about safety.  Our safety-drill took place immediately; they actually refused to start before establishing that 100% of pax were in attendance (they did a roll-call and were checking off names, in writing); and they absolutely insisted on absolute silence while the instructions were being given.  There wasn’t a single crew member who didn’t take safety matters deadly seriously–I think a couple of them had in fact been on the Sea Diamond when she sank.  Who wants to go through that again?!

    That’s why paradoxically, after a horrendous tragedy like this one, when there was such blatant negligence on the part of the captain (and his second-in-command was blameworthy too, btw), the entire industry snaps to attention.  It is a pity that this comes at the price of human lives… but unfortunately that’s the way it is.  That’s why I just spoke yesterday to some friends hesitating about a Bermuda cruise, and said that NOW is the time to go.

  • http://www.pipdigital.com Nancy Dickinson

    This is absolutely an isolated incident of a rogue captain wishing to impress friends of friends.  I don’t know an entire cruise line should be held accountable (at least on the surface) of one man’s actions (cowardly though they might be).

    Financially, the cruise line should pay out much more than $71,000 a person.  People lost their family members in this and thousands of other are probably STILL terrified to go near water!  This type of incident has long reaching tentacles.

    I’m not a cruise person and have never really had a desire to go on one, except for the food (LOL) so this will have no effect on me with regard to my future travel plans.  However, for the cruise line to take the stance of, “Too bad, so sad” is heartless and greedy.  

    While I understand they don’t want to lose their shirt in this, they still have a responsibility to their passengers and given their captain cut bait and ran, they sure aren’t in an enviable bargaining position, IMHO.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/L7OAMHXVBXQXFZENOYKLIQA4CI Chris Owen

    You need to check your facts, this is way off

  • Anonymous

    Hate to tell you but the food is not nearly as good as it used to be, even a few years ago.

  • Anonymous

    As Ms Grace would say, “Unleash the lawyers!”  Why would the PAX on the CONCORDIA not be entitled to seek permission to launch a class-action lawsuit for negligence?  There seems to have been enough of that to go around. 

  • http://profiles.google.com/chazowen Charles Owen

    “This is absolutely an isolated incident of a rogue captain wishing to impress friends of friends.  I don’t know an entire cruise line should be held accountable (at least on the surface) of one man’s actions (cowardly though they might be).”

    First, the cruise line is responsible for the captains it chooses. There are not that many of them, after all, and they should be the best of the best. How could anyone be as incompetent as this guy and make it to the top (I have some theories of that BTW. Remember, only half the job of a cruise ship captain is commanding the ship. The rest is entertaining passengers, and I get the impression that’s what he was good at.).

    But, what really matters here is the massive level of incompetence demonstrated by the entire crew (or at least all of the senior crew). They were clearly not prepared for an incident like this. They never called a mayday. They lied when the coast guard called them asking why there were getting calls from friends of passengers. Did they think they were going to slap on some duck tape and paint and no one would notice? Sure, the captain was incompetent, but did one senior member of the
    crew step in and take over when it was evident the guy was an idiot and coward and leaving the ship? No, they all jumped into a lifeboat with him.

    All of this indicates a problem with the cruise line. This crew was not trained to deal with an emergency. They failed in so many ways it’s hard to list them (or even believe them). As the accident is investigated we will likely learn of more. Why did it sink when only 17% of the length of the hull was damaged? Why did it list away from the flooding, instead of to it? Did they close the watertight doors? This level of incompetence is a corporate problem, not an isolated incident of a rogue captain.

  • Anonymous

    Just like in the Marines, nothing like someone getting killed to get everyone’s attention.

  • Anonymous

    Could you please elaborate on your comment for the benefit of us, the less perceptive.  Thanks.

  • Anonymous

    Some concerns I have expressed with other agents was mentioned on a report the other night on a new show.  Muster drills are practiced when a ship is upright.  Crew members come and go weekly.  Where do they get their training?  Only on board? It appears that way. No mock ups on shore like the airlines do? This certainly raises concerns for all cruise ships and hopefully better emergency training will be foremost on their list of crew training.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PATEKF4GPYCH2LBDXFWQ4HHQXE Anonymous

    IDIOTS – the public is a bunch of terrified lemmings.  If there were a published document showing the number of death per 1,000 person/miles (the unit is called a Micro-Mort.)of travel between Airlines, Trains, Cruise Ships, Cars, Buses, Taxis, Motorcycles, and walking: EVERYONE OF THEM would sit huddled in their house waiting to die.  My guess is that cruise ships are one of the very safest and walking or motorcycles are the worst.
    Every time a train in Bohunkistan kills 100 people, AMTRAK suffers huge losses.  Now cruise ships are going to take another huge hit over 1/millionth of 1% if the annual cruise ship passengers dying.

    IDIOTS!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZES74KCSBIC4URTJZLIROWS4QA Joel W

    Not really relevant, but what is an 82 year old woman doing on Carnival, a line notorious for a young, hard-partying crowd, especially on short cruises to the Bahamas?

  • Anonymous

    The captain in charge of this ship was grossly negligent and is to be held responsible for ALL effects of his action/lack of action.  He violated maritime law, procedures and jeopardized everyone on board.

    I was on a Royal Caribbean cruise, when the tragedy happened.  It didn’t appear to seriously affect my fellow passengers nor create paranoia.

    The captain of the ship is no different that the captain of an airline or the engineer driving the train.  Whoever is in charge of the transportation is ultimately responsible.

    This tragedy should NEVER have happened; no one would ever challenge that fact.  However, like an airplane crash, the plethora of negativity just adds to the sensationalizing of a sad occasion.  Most will focus on this tragedy and never think about the other hundreds of thousands of cruise passengers that sailed in perfect safety in 2011.  Just like a plane crash, the millions of passengers who traveled safely are rarely discussed.

    No tragedy, be in by accident or negligence, should go without comment, concern, investigation, etc.; cause must be determined and immediate corrective action taken. 

    Essentially, like the isolated airplane crash, this tragedy is an anomaly, within the cruise line industry.  There are no excuses for this happening and I believe the Italian government will take aggressive action against the rouge captain.  There may also be further action against many of the ship’s senior staff and members entrusted with maritime edicts, especially when serving on the ship’s bridge.

    Those who cruise will continue to cruise.  Experience has shown them that cruising is a safe means of vacation and travel.

    It is perfectly understandable that those who have never cruised may have reason to pause and reconsider a cruise vacation.

    In summary, an airplane accident may have a very temporary affect on reduced air travel; however, that pause will not last very long.  A key difference is that flights are almost a necessity, in today’s world, whereas cruising is an optional vacation.

    Personally, I will continue to cruise and will be doing so this summer, along with many of my clients.

    When we seek to demonize an entire industry, predicated on a single and isolated incident, we fail to be realistic.

    All of us have choices; choose wisely and as it best suits you.

  • Anonymous

    Can anyone (preferably a lawyer) comment on the legality of setting a limit (of 71K) to the amount people are able to sue for? I understand having a limit when your suitcase goes missing, but if someone dies / is injured, 71K wouldn’t even begin to cover damages. Would this contract even hold up in court?

  • Anonymous

    Costa ships are Italian-flagged.  I’m pretty sure that Italian laws will apply, and suing corporations for oodles of money seems to be rare in Europe.

  • Anonymous

    You are aboard a moving object weighing thousands of tons over water.  What kind of idiot equates that with the safety of the Holiday Inn on the corner?  Oh yeah, Americans.

  • Anonymous

    Chris, do you realize this person has posted this exact same stupid post 631 times on your site dating back to – I think – 1996. I couldn’t bear to go all the way back.
    You have more patience than me. The negative meaningless name calling adds nothing to earnest posters. Can’t you do us a favor block him.

  • Anonymous

    Being stuck on a boat with a few thousand strangers, except for the occasional shore excursion with 75% of them, has never been my idea of vacation. When you add in the obscenely lopsided rules and regs . . . convicted felons have more rights than cruisers!

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and please don’t fly, as planes have crashed before – and don’t take the train, there have been derailments in the past – and for heaven’s sake don’t drive!  That is the most dangerous form of transportation after all!   What is ridiculous is worrying about your cruise ship in this situation – the reason, after all, this case stands out so much, is it hasn’t happened like this in a very long time!  I understand the emotional response to an occurance like this, but clear thinking also should steer you clearly to the assumption you should be safe on your cruise —after all there are over 256 cruise ships out there daily, and no problems per se.  

  • Anonymous

    ??? Carnival, Princess, Holland America, Seabourn and Cunard have not had this problem, and are the other 5 companies sold in the US that Carnival owns.  Because of 1 accident on Costa, you would never sail ANY other line they own?  Not a valid arguement.

  • Anonymous

    Oh dear, I will fly and take the train anytime. But I will not cruise in one of these over-sized ships. And I don’t sell them [cruises] either. Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    THEY have not taken that stand, nor claimed to only be responsible for the $71,000.  Chris brought that fact up by reading the contract of carriage.  But that is not to say that is what the line will offer the survivors’ families, just that right now their priority is taking care of the survivors and trying to bring solace to the families of those lost or missing.  The final resolution of this is still farther down the road, and we shouldn’t be jumping the gun to assume they won’t do the right thing by these people.

  • Anonymous

    Why?  He’s right – and if you REALLY think no one should question the ridiculousness of cancelling a cruise based on 1 incident, then please don’t fly, drive, take a train or bus, walk across a street – or take a bath or shower, since slips in the tub are a big known killer!  I don’t think name-calling is appropriate, but we shouldn’t always respond as a reaction to fear, but use common sense.  (Or NOT so common sense!)

  • Anonymous

    They are also an AARP approved line, with a lot of Senior specials, and very low pricing that works well with fixed inclomes.

  • Anonymous

    LOVE the comments!  And agree whole-heartedly!

  • Anonymous

    Then you really don’t know the product, and should at least learn about it before offering your clients the disservice of not having all their options available from a knowledgeable travel counselor.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t need to since I don’t WANT to sell it because I DON’T BELIEVE on the product.

    With all due respect, you should disclose that you work for/with the CRUISE INDUSTRY and your opinion MIGHT be biased because you make money selling cruises.

  • Anonymous

    NO – I am a travel counselor, and have never hidden that fact on this site.  But no, I do not, nor have I ever, worked for the cruise industry.  (Although I have worked for United Airlines in the past).  I stated, and stand by that, that if you claim to sell travel, you can’t say you don’t believe in the product if you’ve never at least experienced it.  I suppose you only sell the destinations, airlines and hotels YOU prefer?  Hardly doing your clients any service! 

  • Anonymous

    NO – I am a travel counselor, and have never hidden that fact on this site.  But no, I do not, nor have I ever, worked for the cruise industry.  (Although I have worked for United Airlines in the past).  I stated, and stand by that, that if you claim to sell travel, you can’t say you don’t believe in the product if you’ve never at least experienced it.  I suppose you only sell the destinations, airlines and hotels YOU prefer?  Hardly doing your clients any service! 

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    To my mind, the greatest reward and luxury of travel is to be able to
    experience everyday things as if for the first time, to be in a position
    in which almost nothing is so familiar it is taken for granted.

  • Anonymous

    I have experienced cruising and I don’t like it. Why would I sell something I don’t like. There’s a lot more to travel than cruising.

    Is this your bio on Cruise Holiday’s website?

    http://www.cruiseandexploreonline.com/9270668_76381.htm

    I read:

    She is a Commodore agent for both Princess and Cunard Cruise Lines, a
    certified Silverseas Cruise Specialist, a Cruise West Small Ship
    Partner, an Ireland Shamerock agent, a SCOTS Scotland Specialist, a
    Certified Cancun Counselor and a Kanya KATS agent.

    Am I wrong to assume you make money advising/selling cruises?

  • Anonymous

    As a travel counselor, I make money counseling clients on ALL vacation needs, regardless of whether or not I particulary care for the destination or hotel chain or cruiseline or airline.  SAME AS YOU.  I just don’t force my own prejudices on my clients, and although my specialties are European FITS, Asia, South Pacific and Africa, yes, I do plan many cruises, on many lines.  As well as many all-inclusives (even though Mexico and the Caribbean hold no interest for me, although I have varied specialties in these areas as well)

  • Anonymous

    It is quite fascinating to read many of the comments; truly, from the sublime to the ridiculous. While most of the comments are objective and cogent, the remainder appears to be reflective of the writer’s ilk of the fourth estate.

    One should never discount the age of a traveler or their choice of travel and/or vacation.  For those of us who are Accredited Cruise Counsellors, we fully understand that it is our responsibility to present our clients with all options, based on their interests and desire.

    An 82 year old client on Carnival is no different than a 22 year old on Holland.  While each cruise line has “orientation” toward certain demographics, it doesn’t bar anyone from being a passenger.  So long as I present the pros/cons of a particular ship and/or itinerary, I’ve done my job.

    A comment about the food not being so good; well, for the most part, that is quite subjective and not really much different than going to a local restaurant.  While I am not one to appreciate the culinary arts of cruise lines, I always manage to eat selections of my choice.

    For edification, a cruise line is not a boat; it is a ship and there are significant differences, to be understood.  You are not “stuck” with thousands of strangers; hello! aren’t you too a stranger?  And how do you rationalize that logic, when you fly on a plane with as many as 400 plus passengers?  Or how do you perceive travel on the highways and byways, subjecting yourself to the whim of a driver’s actions?

    No one would ever come to the defense of the ship’s captain; it’s obvious (at least in the court of public opinion and facts to date) that he is guilty of gross negligence and endangerment.  It will be a matter of time, probably months, if not years, before the Italian government fully concludes their investigation.  It appears that there will be much litigation and the captain will undoubtedly be tried by the governing authority, which is Italy. 

    Most of us, if any, will ever be able to truly empathize with the surviving passengers, nor the families of those missing and of those who perished.

    So in your own personal way, remember them in your thoughts.

  • Anonymous

    Quite frankly, I don’t really care if you think my argument is valid or not.

    Carnival has had other situations, such as the one in 2010 off the coast of Mexico where the ship lost power and had to be towed back to port.

    But then, that’s really beside the point: I wouldn’t recommend Carnival because their “fun ships” are not my idea of fun.

  • Anonymous

    I’m frankly appalled at your gross generalization        ” what really matters here is the massive level of incompetence demonstrated by the entire crew (or at least all of the senior crew). “ 

    I would very much like to know if you were on the ship when it happened or have ever worked on a cruise ship??  It seems clear to me that you have not. The crew are trained to deal with emergencies, however, I guarantee that none of them have ever had to deal with a real accident before, not just a hypothetical one and if they had, it will hardly have been when half of the lifeboats were unaccessible due to the nature of the event and the angle of the ship. 
    While no-one would disagree with you about the captain or the senior crew, you can’t blame all of them. The fact that over 4200 guests got off the ship in about 2 hrs says alot for the crew, because if you had ever been in that situation yourself, you would know how difficult it is.

    It has always been a concern of mine that the ability to launch a lifeboat depends on the ship being upright. The ” Davit ” system is over one hundred years old and as tragically demonstrated does not work in instances like the one we just had. It’s issues like that that really need to be addressed.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the info .. far too often we are lead to believe that Cruise Liners are completely safe, when the opposite can be true. When booking a cruise, people should not be afraid to ask about the company´s safety record.

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  • Anonymous

    Many people do, though, and the “fun ship” atmosphere was always on their short cruises, or high season in the Caribbean.  they have come a long way over the years (and I was the one who used to refer to them as the Mickeey D’s of the Seas!).  And as far as the situation in Mexico, hope you had a chance to see how well they handled it.  If you really judge a company on how well they take care of passengers, take a 2nd look at ”the other one” which chose to sail out of Florida in bad seas, and damaged their ship, or when both they and Carnival were forced to leave San Juan early, and Carnival did NOT strand those clients who came in late.  the press doesn’t give credit where it is due, but I look at all sides.  I don’t recommend ANY ship or line, until i understand a client’s needs — personally, my preferred lines are Holland and Crystal!  But I have enjoyed the occasional Carnival as well.  :) 

  • Anonymous

    Well said!  I agree – must match the client to the experience they are looking for, not to a pre-conceived notion of what niche they fall in.  I know some young people who are wallflowers and some older folks who are very adventurous – so I would choose the ship, itenerary or destination based on their likes, needs and expectations as well.  Remembering them in our thoughts is the best we can offer them.

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