“What kind of pie is that?” the TSA agent demanded

December 24, 2007

The Transportation Security Administration doesn’t like pie in the sky. We kinda suspected that after the low-rated government agency issued new guidelines on food items that could be brought onboard. Now comes a firsthand report of TSA silliness that, if nothing else, will make you laugh out loud.

It comes by way of Jessica Bruder, a writer for the Portland Oregonian who flew to Illinois over the Thanksgiving holiday and almost had her apple pie confiscated by a federal screener.

After putting her dish through the conveyor belt, the interrogation began:

“Are you the pie lady?” the agent demanded.

Standing there in orange polka-dot socks, jeans inching down my hips, I nodded soberly. He indicated we’d have more to talk about on the far side of the metal detector.

When my pie emerged, the questions began.

“What kind of pie is that?” He squinted at the pan.

“Apple. With some raspberries.”

“Does it have lumps?”

I glanced at the crust, which was black in places and looked like a topographical rendering of the Himalayas. (To think I was trying to impress my boyfriend’s parents in Illinois with this thing.)

Why is the TSA down on holiday pies? Turns out it some pies are, indeed, “dangerous,” according to her agent.

He told me he was keeping watch for pies with cream and custard fillings. Anything that could be construed as a “gel.” He’d already turned away a pumpkin pie.

Pumpkin pie filling, he confided, “has the same consistency as certain plastic explosives.”

Have the terrorists begun baking combustible pies? I doubt it.

Rather, I think the agency is putting on a show for travelers who fly only once or twice a year. The message: the $4.7 billion of taxpayer money is being well spent to protect you.

From exploding pies.

  • Stephanie

    Benjamin Franklin said it best: “Those who are willing to surrender their freedoms for government protection deserve neither.”

    Over-reacting does nothing but desensitize the general public. Nobody will take threats on this country seriously if the attempts to secure us and our land are so outlandish they’re comical.

    Exploding pies. Really?

  • TJ Thornton

    Last time I flew my daughter and I had but one carryon. We got pulled over for additional screening because of contraband. Oh my, I thought, I forgot that my 42″ metal circular knitting needles were in my bag! Silly me, we had put both our quart bags of toiletries in the same carryon. We had 2 bags. The metal needles weren’t mentioned. Lord knows we had 2 tubes of toothpaste between us, but hey, my knitting remained unscathed. I reminded myself of this insanity as I got extra pat downs.

  • Duke Nukem

    Exactly! We know NOTHING about the TSA because the same old TSA, yes, the arrogant no-good-excuse-for-wasted-taxpayer-money agency created by the government, doesn’t allow inquiring public to know more about the inner works of it. How about some accountability, people? How about a better explanation on why more than 3.4 ounces of WATER should not be carrried on-board? How about getting rid of idiot TSOs and only keep the professional ones? Like “Explosives SME”, who I’m sure gets a kick out of keeping pumpkin pies for he and his buddies for lunch break time! Maybe Obama should go undecover and pass thru security…I wonder how he’d be treated!

  • Shari

    @ Stephanie: Well said. I couldn’t agree more.

    If anyone wants to see the TSA at it’s best, fly through Albuquerque (NM). Every time I fly out of there, I encounter the rudest, dumbest, pushiest, and power-tripping TSA people. JFK comes in a close second, but perhaps that’s to be expected.

    I cringe at the thought of my tax dollars funding the TSA. I feel no safer now with all of the ridiculous rules than I did before they were all implemented.

  • Matt

    Believe it or not, I actually saw a GOOD TSA crew a few months back…Coming out of San Antonio I was amazed these guys & girls were uniformly polite & explaining stuff to the passengers.

    Now Dulles is another matter…

  • WendyLou

    While traveling on my military dependent ID I used the bag that also served as my lunch/breast pump bag to take these things to work. The TSA agents went nuts over a FRUIT CUP. Clearly labeled DOLE. Clearly with fruit cocktail in it. I explained the bag was my lunch bag and I had forgotten that a fruit cup was in the side pouch on the outside of the bag (typically used for cell phones or a bottle.) I offered immediately to throw it away, as I had NO idea how long it had been in the side of my bag. Nope, that wouldn’t work, they had to call a supervisor. I was not allowed to touch my belongings at this time, meaning I was standing there in my socks and t-shirt with my laptop, cameras, ipod, and other valuables sitting out in the open. Supervisor comes, starts to lecture me. I again explain I forgot it was there, it is my lunch bag, and that I wish to throw it away. After talking to some one on the radio!!!! she gives me my fruit cup back, which I promptly and in front of them throw into the rather large trash can.

    All this for a fruit cup.

    Trust me, I felt Oh SO Safe after that little bit of security theater.

    What’s more American than attacking apple pie? Nothing.

  • MarcoN

    After reading the stories above about TSA and having dealt first hand with TSA, FEMA and three other government agencies, all I can say is, personnel at all of them have competency “issues”. I have lost all faith in the federal government managing anything effectively, much less efficiently. Perhaps George Will was right when he said that the last truly successful government program was WWII.

  • Bryan

    This is the same government that can’t run the post office, can’t run home security, and now they want to run our health care…we are in big, big trouble…

  • Christian

    I was told by a TSA agent that I could not bring the stone that I had picked up at the beach as a souvenir in my hand luggage. I could only throw it away or check it in because it could be used as a weapon in the aircraft. The stone was about the size, shape and weight of a hamburger patty. In the same hand luggage I had my camera with tele zoom lens on, weighing about 2 and a half lbs. Yes, I agree, with a lot of phantasy and force even a stone from the beach can be use as a weapon, but which thing could not be used as a weapon, even with a pillow or with headphones you can suffocate somebody.

  • Thomas Wells

    What about dentures? What if granny goes for the jugular? Even stark naked, there are numerous ways to kill somebody. Will we have to rope passengers to their seats, with a guard on each of them to achieve security? And remember-no pie fights.

  • Ituri

    I just flew from San Diego to Indy, then back again to San Diego. While I had no exploding pies, I did have a fresh experience with the body scanners, which they installed in Indianapolis before last Christmas.

    -I flew months before last Christmas, walked through the metal detector and went through “normal” security. (NO pat-down!)
    -I flew days after the Christmas incident in 09, Indianapolis now had the body scanners, and was lightly patted down when I refused to go through it. (They were still new, many people refused so an easy pat-down as they were introduced?)
    -I flew yesterday, and asked to go through the “normal” screening. Indianapolis nearly gave me my yearly Pap Smear since I refused to go through the body scanner. (No incident days before as with Christmas, yet an insanely thorough pat down?)

    It seems clear to me that, at least at Indianapolis, they seem to want to make the “normal” screening so invasive that the people feel no other choice but to go through the body scanners. What choice do people have then? Do I give up flying into/out of Indianapolis, since I’ve not had this problem at other airports? When other airports join the “make it as invasive as possible” club, what then?

    I seriously feel there is no recourse for the average flier here… I don’t fly for business, but I MUST fly, as I live 2,000 miles from my family for military duty reasons. Flying is no longer an option for many nowadays, so what do we do when we don’t want to be pumped for milk by the TSA? This sort of thing makes a pie issue seem small, even for how absurd that still is…

  • Marco

    Everyone complains about the TSA until someone like a shoebomber or the underwear bomber shows up. Then we complain that they aren’t doing enough!
    Go with the flow! What’s a little inconvenience for a safe flight.

    There’s always Amtrack :)

  • Frazzled Mom

    @ Marco

    You seem to forget that even in the case of the alleged shoe bomber or underpants bomber, The Stupid A——- STILL didn’t do anything. It was the other passengers and flight attendants who reacted. Nobody stopped them from boarding. Also in the case of the underpants bomber, the flight originated in AMSTERDAM, remember? As far as I know, the Netherlands is NOT a US state, The Stupid A——- have no jurisdiction there.

    TSA exists only for one reason. To fraudulently divert billions of dollars in tax money directly into the pockets of corrupt private contractors while providing nothing more than the ILLUSION of security. They couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if there were instructions written on the side. They’re nothing but overpaid shopping mall security guards, and probably couldn’t even handle that job.

    BTW, I do take Amtrak, because I’m usually not in that big a hurry, but sometimes you can’t avoid the airlines, as much as they suck.

  • Bobbo

    It seems that requiring every passenger to be given the once over by an explosive sniffing dog would be more efficient, definitely less invasive, and certainly more pleasant to deal with than a TSA employee. The savings taxpayers would see would be astronomical, as last I checked, the cost of dog food paled in comparison to multimillion dollar irradiation machines, salaries of TSA bureaucrats, and the pittances that are doled out the vastly undertrained TSA “officers” that are charged with identifying and detaining a threatening or suspicous person until someone that actually has police powers arrives to take over. While dogs are typically used in a general sweep of airports, they would be just as, if not more effective, than all the “security screening” if used in a more specific sense.
    Personally, I would feel much safer knowing that horribly overworked, and vastly underpaid people were not in charge of keeping terrorist threats off the airplanes. I would put my faith in the 220 million scent receptors in a dogs nose any day of the week before a TSA employee to ensure my safety.

  • http://www.modarehberim.com/ Moda

    It comes by way of Jessica Bruder, a writer for the Portland Oregonian who flew to Illinois over the Thanksgiving holiday and almost had her apple pie confiscated by a federal screener…

  • Dan

    At JFK, they made me throw away a container of my grandma’s
    rice pudding.

  • http://elliott.org/blog darlene

    let me put it this way everybody that thinks tsa measures are over the top can all get on a plane w/ no security and hope for the best that the terrorists have to offer. I’ll get in the long line, let them scan me and all my belongings and be happy to know that my chances are 1000 times better of getting there. moaning and complaining get you nothing, try flying El al( hope thats right) now thats security. suck it up people. there has got to be a good side to this, hey thats right your alive after your flight.

  • Kevin M

    Darlene, first, try some punctuation, capitalization, and
    attention to spelling. Your argument *might* (and I stress *might*)
    have more credence then. Actually, no, it wouldn’t. No one is
    suggesting that there be no security screening whatsoever – so your
    “point” is irrelevant. What everyone is suggesting is that not only
    is the security screening we are getting intrusive and expensive,
    it’s also failing to work. Why should we spend tens or hundreds of
    billions of collars on “security” that makes people throw away a
    sealed package of fruit cocktail, but allows a pair of knitting
    needles through? We aren’t allowed to carry a plastic dinner knife
    through security, but we can pick one up at any of the food court
    restaurants on the other side. And the latest outrage – forcing
    people to choose between a groping and an invasive body scan that
    reveals the naked body – is especially infuriating as there already
    exists technology – in use in other countries – that can do the
    body scans and only display the “problem areas” detected,
    superimposed over a generic human form. Imagine our surprise and
    shock (ha!) to learn that the intrusive machines were being pushed
    for by a host of former government officials turned lobbyists -
    former DHS secretary Chertoff, former Sen. Al D’Amato (R-NY);
    former TSA administrator Chad Wolf (who is a former aide to Sen.
    Kay Bailey Hutchinson, R-TX, who sits on the Transportation and
    Defense subcommittees of the Appropriations Committee; and others.
    The kicker, of course, is that even the GAO says the machines can’t
    necessarily detect even the threats they are SUPPOSED to be good
    at; and they’re useless at detecting anything in a body cavity. So,
    Darlene, if you’re all for these, prepare for the next step,
    whereby you will step behind a screen (hopefully), drop your pants,
    and allow a TSA agent to probe your rectal and vaginal cavities to
    make sure you don’t have anything hidden there. I’m sure you’ll be
    all for that as well, right?

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  • not a hope in hell

    TSA is ridiculous no doubt, but organic materials all show up same colour on many xray machines, thus making technicians rely on consistency and density to determine threat level.

    IE plastique can look similar to pie filling on a organic/on-organic filter scrren image

  • http://www.bestcarry-onluggage.net Jeremiah Johnson

    I realize that the TSA has a job to do but sometimes they get a little ridiculous. I think the people we put in the TSA as security check personnel have to have some degree of common sense which seems to be greatly lacking in the TSA.

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