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There’s something fishy going on at Mama’s Fish House in Maui

January 25, 2010

The food may be terrific at Mama’s Fish House in Maui, but on a recent visit to the restaurant, Marie Ochadleus claims she got a lot more than that. Someone stole $2,500 worth of personal items from her cars, and she believes the business is responsible for her loss.

Why blame the Fish House for the petty crime taking place in its parking lot? Ochadleus says there’s no self-parking, only free valet parking. By taking your keys, isn’t the restaurant assuming some liability for your car?


I’m not a lawyer, but a search of Hawaii state laws suggests the Fish House isn’t responsible for her loss. (The business is both a hotel and a restaurant, and only this law seems to directly apply to her situation — but again, folks, I’m not a lawyer. And now, back to your regularly scheduled program.)

Here’s Ochadleus story:

When you arrive at Mama’s Fish House, there really isn’t self-parking available. The free valet service seemed a nice touch to this upscale restaurant. We handed over the keys to our rented convertible (the top was down) and blissfully headed down the stone path to the restaurant entrance.

Our friends were driving a rented mini-van, and they pulled in just behind us. We experienced a very expensive lunch with mediocre service, but the view was gorgeous. We gladly paid the bill, which was well over $300.

When we left the restaurant a few hours later, the valet pulled up with our car (top still down) and we drove off to visit the town of Paia. When we parked in Paia, we put the top up on the convertible and locked the car. Our vehicle was right off the street in plain view. Our friends parked several blocks away on the main street.

It wasn’t until later that night when we arrived back at our Kaanapali resort and went to unpack the car that we discovered our bags were stolen from our trunk. Likewise, our friends discovered their bag was stolen from inside their mini-van. Neither vehicle displayed signs of forced entry. The only time these vehicles were near each other since the bags were loaded that morning was during our visit to Mama’s Fish House. Coincidence? We don’t think so and neither did the police.

Interesting. Had Ochadleus reported the loss while still at the Fish House, she might have had a stronger case. But after a day’s activities, anyone could have been responsible for the disappearance of her luggage, although I certainly agree with the police about coincidences.

What followed was a series of e-mails between the Fish House and Ochadleus, with her asking to be compensated and the restaurant declining.

Eventually, she asked me to help. I contacted the restaurant on her behalf. Here’s what it had to say:

We opened Mama’s Fish House some 36 years ago. It has been my unpleasant responsibility to write the following to the very few people in the last 36 years who have had items stolen from their cars while parked in our parking lot, and who expected us to compensate them for it.

1. There is a lot of petty theft here, as there is in virtually all resort and tourist destinations. Maui’s theft problem is no worse than other resort destinations – which is not good.. Every tourist is warned over and over again in notices by their rental companies and other warnings. But they get ignored, and the theft continues.

It is virtually impossible to prevent because its done mostly by young addicts and juvenile delinquents. The police sympathize and tell our visitors kind words to make them feel better when they have items stolen and we do the same ourselves. That’s about all we can do since preventing the petty auto theft is all but impossible.

Over the years we have worked with local police to minimize theft rate and we have cut the theft rate down considerably. We have security patrolling the grounds but there is a lot of area to cover and the thieves are quick and smart.

2. I know of no Maui hotel, restaurant or business that provides valet parking that will re-imburse customers for items stolen or lost out of their vehicles, and this includes vehicles parked inside a covered hotel parking facility. No business insurance company that I am aware of will write insurance for such theft.

This is standard practice throughout the State and probably nationwide. If you doubt this, call any major hotel chain or a local hotel and find out for yourself.

3. A very few times in the past we have had angry customers write letters to various organizations complaining about items allegedly stolen out of their cars while in our parking lot and they sometimes threaten us with bad publicity. It doesn’t work. The organization will officially expressed sympathy and maybe write us letters requesting more information, but when we talk to their representative in person, they say, “Why was this person so foolish as to leave their valuables in their cars in an outdoor parking lot?”.

I am sorry for your loss and I’m sure you are angry and think somebody else should pay for your stolen items. But it was just your bad luck plus bad judgment, and while we are in sympathy and understand you anger, we are in no way responsible.

Floyd & Doris Christenson
Mama’s Fish House

So there you go. I asked Ochadleus what she thought of the restaurant’s final answer.

While I’m disappointed Mama’s has taken this stance, I’m not really surprised. The issue that bothers me the most is that Mama’s has so little regard for their customers. They aren’t truly sympathetic and their demeanor is almost snobbish about “tourists”.

If they had told me they were investigating the issue with the police, I would have felt better about the entire situation. At least something good might have come out of this unfortunate incident. With the economy as it is today, tourist destinations need to be thoughtful about how they approach anything that can deter people from selecting their location.

What I’ve taken away from all this is that Maui hasn’t made this issue a priority. The police haven’t done a very good job of reducing the theft problem. Why should I want to spend my hard earned money visiting there? There are other warm and sunny locations to visit.

I do take offense at being labeled “foolish”. I travel a good amount in and out of the US. I’m a fairly savvy traveler. It’s not like we left our belongings on the seat of an open convertible! They were locked in the trunk…out of sight. If the valet service had locked the car, there would have been some sign of forced entry to get those belongings. If cars were consistently locked at Mama’s parking lot, thieves would most likely move on to other places.

Paia is a little town in the grand scheme of things…not exactly a tourist destination. This was our second trip to Maui this year, and I don’t recall ever hearing how theft-riddent Paia was. Where are those tourist warnings that I was supposed to see “over and over”? I picked up every visitors guide and magazine while there. I didn’t see any warnings. I don’t actually recall the warnings at the valet service, but I’m sure they were there somewhere.

Was I blinded by the sun and beautiful scenery? It’s possible… At least I’m willing to consider I missed something. That’s more than I can say for Mama’s response.

What do you think? Was Mama’s out of line? Or did it do everything it could to help its guest?

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77 comments

  • Eric Smith

    Umm, why would you put your bags in the trunk and then leave the top down? This car almost certainly has a trunk release inside the car which means the trunk really isn’t locked. Vitually anyone could have popped the trunk open and scooped up the bags.

    The mini-van is another story. If there was no sign of forced entry then the restaurant’s valet employees would be prime suspects. But since the travelers didn’t check for thier belongings until several hours later, they’ll never prove that anyone at the restaurant was involved. Had they checked upon returning to their vehicles at the restaurant, they might have caught a valet red-handed with the bags.

    If I were on vacation, with valuables in my car, I would not allow a valet to park my car unless I accompanied him/her while they park the car and then I’d keep the keys with me during dinner. If the resturant doesn’t want to allow this, they can find another customer. And no hospitality-based business can afford losing customers in this economy, although some seem to think they can, judging from some of the stories I’ve seen here.

  • Thomas

    Left the top down and locked the belongings in the trunk? Most cars today have a trunk release inside the car. Top down, reach inside, pop the trunk, snd take off with your belongings. That’s why it’s illegal to park your vehicle with the top down in Florida!

  • http://oussamastake.blogspot.com/ Oussama

    Not withstanding the legal issues and liabilities. Mama’s definitely has a condescending attitude towards its customers who pay dearly for what appears to be the privilege of dining there at very high prices.
    If, as Mama’s claim, this is a petty theft ridden area, then the least they should have done is to warn their customers and take due care to safeguard their guests’ property. It seems fame has inflated their ego and they forgot who pays the bill. their customer service is atrociously lacking

  • Kevin

    This is a waste of a Story and your Time Elliott. As the other two posts have stated, who leaves their top down when they park their car with stuff in it?
    Who hands over their keys to a stranger when there is stuff in the car?
    While I may not be a fan of the canned letter that Mama’s sent back, it really isn’t their fault.

  • alex douglas

    This is a constant write up in most tourist books for Maui regarding car rental theft- which is a shame. Tourists have to take responsibilty.

  • Toni

    Grow up. Don’t leave valuables in your car. Don’t turn over the keys to a convertible with the top down and valuables in the trunk. Duh.

  • http://praguepartmentsonline.com Martin Smith

    Wait a minute all you people that are bashing the people that were stolen from. Yes, in a perfect world we would all lock everything up and then double lock them and probably stay at home. The proprietors of this eatery are very obnoxious in their reply. They are the ones that arranged for valet parking, are they not? Do they have a contract with the organization that provides the parking or are the people that do the parking working for them? This is not an unheard of problem and you can certainly can buy insurance for this kind of theft. The people should talk to their homeowners and automobile insurers and see what is covered. If nothing else they may try and have a go at these condescending restaurateurs. There attitude is that Hawaii is going down the tubes in terms of tourism. If this had happened in Asia or even Europe the response would have been quite different.

  • JS

    Wow. So the tourist left their bags locked in the trunk, gave the keys to a valet, and left the top down on their convertible car.

    Based on the easy availability of trunk-release levers in most cars nowadays, and given that the bags are gone entirely, it’s likely not even the restaurant’s or valet’s fault, since it’s likely that any criminal passing by took their bags after popping the trunk. A valet might have stolen a small, valuable, easily-hidden item, but not actual bags (those are hard to explain when you’re working). So the traveler is likely out of luck by complaining to the restaurant.

    Now, many cars have “valet keys” that only allow access to the doors and ignition, but not the glove compartment or trunk (which can be locked separately via the car’s master key). But rental car companies rarely (if ever) give out those keys, so the traveler is out of luck.

    This is a case of “lesson learned the hard way” for the traveler. It’s generally not a good idea to be so trusting, leaving the top down in a car with any valuables within, giving a key to a valet/stranger with valuables therein, etc. The travelers in this article had to suffer in order to learn this, and this is a sad lesson, but an important lesson nonetheless.

    On the bright side, perhaps the travelers didn’t lose anything Too valuable, and will go on with the rest of their lives a bit wiser and more cautious, perhaps preventing a future theft situation with their increased caution with regard to criminal elements.

    At least this was just property stolen. A lack of caution with regard to criminal elements could have led to much more serious problems. I just learned this morning that my acquaintence’s new bride’s sister was killed in Antigua when she wandered off from the main group and was apparently killed by a local. So while this is a hard lesson for the travelers in this article, a lack of caution can have much more serious consequences. So this lesson learned about caution for the travelers here would be a bright side, IMO.

  • Americorps

    I am not with the others here.

    If you give someone your car to valet park and they admit they know there is a theft problem, why would the valet now suggest they put the top down. I would understand why a valet would not put it down his or herself, but why not at least suggest it to the customer KNOWING that theft is very possible in their parking lot.

  • http://www.eyeonannapolis.net John W. Frenaye

    Read the disclaimer on ANY parking stub in ANY garage or valet service. Plain as day, they are not responsible for theft, damage, etc.

    I agree, it was foolish to leave the top down, but most trunk releases (particularly in convertibles) have a key or override to prevent access to the trunk. Also, many cars come with a “valet” key that does not open the trunk or glove boxes.

    Unfortunate for sure, and if the restaurant is that good to have that attitude–good for them.

    Why didn’t these folks submit a claim on their homeowners or travel insurance policy? Perhaps they are not as savvy as they think.

  • Francine

    While I agree leaving your valuables in your convertible trunk with the top down was not the smartest move, I am appalled at Mama’s condescending response. The ultimate liability does lie with the traveler and while I do not think Mama’s should necessairly compensate your reader they should have acknowledged there are things they could have done to avoid the situation. If the area is so crime ridden would you not train your valet staff to lock the vehicles and recommend the convertible top go up? (by the way, most convertibles have a lock next to the trunk release that you can lock with your key). Perhaps as a good will gesture offer them a discount on their next visit? It is obvious Mama’s doesn’t care much about the tourists that fuel their income and that is a bad sign for Maui’s tourism industry. I enjoyed my meal at Mama’s when I stayed on Maui but will not care to re-visit or recommend a place which cares so little about it’s customers.

  • Don Smith

    John,
    Putting a disclaimer on a parting ticket stub does NOT mean the parking lot is not responsible – that is their attempt to ‘blow off’ most litigation and it works as most people fail to consult a lawyer.

  • Denise

    I’ve seen a few convertibles (and some hard tops) have a lock on the trunk release that won’t allow this to happen: lock the trunk, lock the trunk release, and you can leave the top down without worrying about someone getting into your stuff. Valet keys will allow the car to be driven, but won’t open the trunk or unlock the trunk release. *If* these people used the lock on the trunk release (which would make sense if they left the top down), but then turned the regular keys over to the valet, then it could *only* have been the valets who stole the luggage without forcing entry.

    Not saying it’s a smart thing to do (I *never* trust valets), because few places bother to do decent background checks or bond their workers. It’s quite likely that Mama’s knows about the delinquency of the local kids because that’s who they’re hiring. Mama’s would do well to install cameras in their garage. Not only would they be able to prove that it isn’t their valets that are part of the thefts, they might also be able to collect rewards for turning in evidence to convict the real crooks.

    But that wouldn’t work if Mama’s knows its employees *aren’t* innocent.

  • Doug

    Is it just me, or has anybody ever seen a parking lot that says, “This business gladly accepts all liability for any theft occurring in our parking lot!” Why would anybody keep $2500 worth of stuff in a car that they have no control over where it’s parked?!? If you have all of that in your car, ask the restaurant to store your bags inside somewhere! I would imagine that a place that charges $75 per person for lunch, they would be more than accommodating if you asked, especially if you pointed out the value of the items.

    Respectfully, this sounds like some travelers with sour grapes having done something stupid and then expecting somebody else to take accountability for their own lack of planning.

  • Jeff Pruett

    I’ve managed restaurnts in tourist areas and despite all the signe I posted in the parking lot, idiots still left valuables in their cars.
    AND they always blamed me when they were robbed. Just like this person. If she is the experienced travler that she claims, then she shoulded have left her luggage in an unattended car.
    The tone of the letter from the restaurant was snippy and I don’t blame them.

  • RegularJose

    “There are other warm and sunny locations to visit” – and most of them have the same contemptuous attitude toward tourists. Basic opinion re tourists: They are selfish, entitled idiots.

  • Carver

    I find it interesting that no one has commented on the mini-van. Valuables were stolen from there as well. Had the theft been discovered immediately, I think the OP would have had an excellent case against the restaurant/hotel depending on what precautions it took. If they were negligent in securing the cars, and again especially the mini-van, then the OP would probably prevail.

  • Cynthia

    I have travelled numerous times to Hawai’i (O’ahu, Maui, and Hawai’i aka: the Big Island) and can truthfully say that every car rental location I have been to has signs warning their customers to NOT leave valuables in the car (trunk or otherwise). As has already been noted, virtually all parking stubs have a disclaimer of liability for damage or theft on them, and as the restaurant stated many thefts of this sort in the Islands are perpetrated by addicts (the State of Hawai’i has quite the meth/ice problem unfortunately) which fits with my knowledge. If I had had that much in valuables in the trunk I would not have been so cavalier and either stored them some place safe or had them with me and not in the vehicle . . . that’s just asking for trouble.

    The letter by the restaurant is a bit clipped and formal, but honestly after the umpteenth request for reimbursement by unwary and careless travelers so would you.

  • Allan

    So an overpriced restaurant in that caters to tourist. Want to be written up in every tour guide to they can make lots of money. They know they have a parking problem so they can’t make enough money selling overpriced food. They arrange for valet parking. But what they don’t do with their profits:
    1. Have cameras so they can see who the thieves are who frequent their restaurant.
    …. But they don’t want the staff’s family members arrested.
    2. The don’t hire a security guard to walk the parking lot.

    Yes the people were not the most cautious by keeping valuables in the car. But Maui wants tourists and everyone knows that tourists don’t always pack their brains on vacations. But that’s OK because they pack their wallets.

  • Duke Nukem

    Facts:

    - Tourism in Hawaii IS going down the drain, especially in Oahu. With all due respect to the hawaiian people and culture (as I DO have friends there), some of their attitudes are actually perpetuating crime with impunity.
    - WHY DO YOU LEAVE THE TOP OFF???? Hawaii theft is getting bigger and bigger, ESPECIALLY if you’re not a local.
    - It’s not wether you’re right or not, it’s what you can prove, in other words, you’re screwed! Perhaps you may be a daring soul and actually sue the chain, but….

  • Philip

    This is an unfortunate theft and all of these comments are helpful advice to all of us. Statistically, Hawaii has a high crime rate.
    One point overlooked here is that the two owners of the vehicles went to to other places in town where the theft might have occurred; therefore the theft would probably be covered under their auto or home policies. My home policy does cover theft from my car. I also have comprehensive coverage for my cameras and computer, etc. that are fully covered.
    And why did these ‘sophisticated’ travelers not take out Travel Insurance?
    Chris has advised that again and again.
    Three hundred bucks for dinner; WOW!

  • Patrick McNamara

    Most of these bloggers are right. Cynthia is dead-on. If one is a “savvy” traveler, s/he should know by now how to prevent valuables from being stolen, or, rather, how to take as many precautions as possible. Aside from ‘popping the trunk’, I would say that keeping $2,500 worth of “stuff” in a trunk with or without a lock, and leaving it in any parking lot – valet or no – is irresponsible.
    Finally: Having owned and run a restaurant in a semi-resort area for almost 30 years, I would invite anyone to go through the same experience. What Mama’s did and replied is standard fare particularly to address some complaints in an area such as Hawai’i. You would not believe what people come up with to beat the system, from fake trips and falls, to imagined sickness from food, swallowing bones (from fish), missing articles, bad service (but, some of that is correct), atmosphere, prices and you-name-it. Why I put up with it for 29 years is still a mystery to me.
    I, therefore, side with Mama’s.

  • http://www.croonersunlimited.com Jim Speiser

    I’m not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night…I believe this comes under the law of “bailment,” which makes the restaurant responsible. They can put all the disclaimers they want, it doesn’t matter, unless the state of HI is in the habit of enforcing such disclaimers. I can stamp a disclaimer on my forehead saying, “Not responsible for any criminal activity,” which would of course have no effect on my getting arrested.

  • Brouhaha

    Insane! Of course the restaurant isn’t responsible for the theft. Restaurants are not insurance companies. It isn’t even clear that this happened at Mama’s.

  • Vanessa

    I just came back myself from Maui in November and was told not only from the car rental agency, but from the hotel not to leave valuables in the car. Because of the situation at Mama’s fish house, meaning that the cars were parked by valets I would be incredibly suspicious too. For both cars to have valuables stolen with no forced entry makes me believe that Mama’s fish house employee’s have a ring going on there. I don’t blame the owners for their response, however as an owner of a reputable restaurant the circumstances were just too fishy. :-)

  • MarieOchadleus

    I truly appreciate all the feedback this article has generated. Yes, the convertible had a locking mechaninsm for the trunk release inside while the top was down. The Maui Police and I checked that out. There was no way to pop the trunk while the car was locked. I wouldn’t be so foolish as to leave the top down knowing the trunk was accessible…as one of you suggested DUH! You are all absolutely right in that we should not have left our bags in the trunk. Do you want to know what was in there? Each vehicle had a beach bag with clothes, swim suits and towels (in case we hit the beach later that day) and an Ipod. We also had a pair of binoculars and a gps. Doesn’t sound like much, right? Who doesn’t travel in Maui without their beach bags? We were a party of 8 people (4 adults and 4 kids). I was surprised when it added up to that amount. I certainly didn’t feel right dragging all that beach gear into Mama’s. Could you imagine? Snobby atmosphere, 4 kids and load of beach gear. Oh my…

    In every other situation where valet parking was used, the valet had always put the top up and locked the vehicle. It was SOP in Maui. The hotels certainly did. All in all, the valet service was negligent. Whether they put the top up or not, locking the vehicles would have prevented the loss.

    I can assure you that my intentions for exposing this incident to Chris had nothing to do with “sour grapes” or sniveling. I guess the sun, warmth and fun with my family and friends did blind me that day. It was a valuable lesson learned. I merely wanted to share it with others so they couldn’t be victimized in the same manner. For those of you who wish to bash victims in this scenario, but all means…take what you will from it. If even one person thinks twice about a similar situation and drags their beach bags into an expensive restaurant, I’ll be satisfied that I’ve done what I could to help. I won’t be embarassed to do it next time. I can tell you that shopping for bathing suits for that many people the next day wasn’t fun!
    Happy travels!

  • Ames

    Interesting that no one has thought to suggest ways to foil theives for times when you must leave things in the car. What do you do on a driving tour while on route? What do you do if you checked out of the hotel early and are on the way to the airport but have several hours to enjoy first? I have a cable that I have used to lock all of my bags (which are also locked) together and anchor to something solid in the trunk of the car. It is not fool proof but it certainly would slow someone down and might make them leave the bags alone. I make sure this arrangement is done before I pull into a new parking area but I check it before I leave. I don’t care if it is seen when I am on the way out but never show the contents of my trunk on the way in. I don’t go as far when I am at home shopping, but still use the same principle.

  • LeeAnne

    Nobody comes out smelling good in this story – not the robbed tourists, or the terse, uncaring restaurant.

    (First, let’s clear up the “exposed trunk latch” thing right off – most convertibles do have a method for leaving the trunk locked and inaccessible even with the top down, so I highly doubt that it was just a matter of flipping an exposed latch…I’m quite sure it would have been necessary to use the keys to get into the trunk. And let’s not forget the mini-van.)

    As for who’s in the wrong here:

    The tourists — they should not have left all of their belongings in a car parked by valets in an open parking lot. Yes it would be a pain to haul all your luggage into a restaurant, but guess what? We did that very thing — at Mama’s Fish House! We went for lunch there on our last day in Maui a couple years ago, before we headed to the airport, and had all our luggage in our rental. When we saw that we couldn’t park within view of the restaurant, and had to give our keys to valet parkers, we took our bags out and brought them inside. The hostess found a place for us to stash them safely during our meal, and we hauled them back to the car when we were done.

    Why did we do this? 1) We HAD read many, many warnings about the problem of theft in Maui. We’d read this in guidebooks, and seen signs posted, and been told by the concierge at our hotel, never to leave things in the car — even in the trunk, especially if we were going to a beach. We heard, we listened, we paid attention. And we didn’t get anything stolen.

    They also should have thought to check their trunks before they left the restaurant. Having just entrusted $2500 worth of personal belongings to some strangers, wouldn’t that have at least crossed their minds?? That’s a pretty high degree of trust to bestow on some unknown minimum-wage workers, doncha think?

    The restaurant — sorry, but I have to agree that 1) their valet staff more than likely ARE involved, and 2) their response letter is just wrong on so many levels, and leaves me with a very bad taste in my mouth about their attitude towards tourists. They really need to hire someone who understands how to deal with customer issues and could have crafted a letter that didn’t come across as so condescending, uncaring and belittling. BIG mistake.

    It’s obvious the bags were stolen there…and it’s probable that the valets either did it themselves, or had some cohorts do it and share the spoils. If the tourists had bothered to check their trunks before they left, they might have been able to prove this. It’s unfortunate that opportunity was lost.

    I actually recall really enjoying our meal at Mama’s Fish House. I’ve read a number of reviews that they are overrated, overpriced and have gone downhill since all of the fabulous write-ups they got in guide books. But we had a great lunch and planned on going back there when we’re in Maui this coming April for a family wedding. But with an attitude like that (as well as what appears to be a theft racket among their valet staff), we will be skipping Mama’s Fish House this year.

  • DChamp

    Ok, everyone seems to be yelling “separate key for the trunk”.
    She’s a tourist as far as I can see, and that means rental car.

    How many rental car companies have YOU been to, that gives you that extra key?

    She was foolish for leaving the top down for sure, but how did the people in the van not notice their bags missing when they got in?

  • http://www.cutcat.com Regina

    I wouldn’t leave valuables in my car, although it sounds as though the customers were traveling from one place to another and couldn’t avoid having luggage in the car, and who wants to drag it into a restaurant? And I would have checked the trunk after leaving the restaurant. But as far the restaurant not being responsible, that is total BS. If the lot is self-park, the restaurant is not responsible. But if you don’t offer self-park as an option and items disappear from the cars to which your employees have the keys, you are responsible. It’s the same as saying visitors have to check coats and large bags before going into a museum, but refusing to take responsibility for those items. If you require people to relinquish personal property, you are responsible for what happens to it–and just because you say you aren’t or post a sign saying you aren’t doesn’t make the liability go away. If you don’t want to be responsible for it, then offer self-park or don’t require people to check items.

    I once went into a store in San Francisco that required people to check large bags and I had a large purse that they wanted me to check. I told them I had my wallet and cell phone in there and would not check it unless they were going to take responsibility for what was in it–which of course they would not do. I could have removed my wallet and cell phone and carried them on my person, but I was annoyed and decided to leave the store. Perhaps that is the answer to dealing with such places. If you see a “not responsible” sign even though the business forces you to leave your valuables, take your business elsewhere.

  • Mike

    IMHO, if a place of business does not offer one the opportunity to park their own vehicle, or charges for the service then they should be responsible for theft and the security of their parking area. If they contract out for the valet service, then the service must be held responsible.

    I think if the people had noticed the missing bags right away there would have been an open and closed case as to who was responsible. Its too bad that they didn’t notice that right away. When I park in a garage (self park) or use a valet, I *ALWAYS* double check to make sure my stuff is there as soon as I come back to the car, whether it is my own, or a rental.

    As to insurance, some homeowners policies may cover that, some may not. I had a car broken in to a few years back. Since it was in my driveway the insurance was covered, but in general, I was told theft is generally not covered, like if I was at Target or some other store.

  • LeeAnne

    @Marie Ochadleus: I posted my comment before yours appeared. Kudos to you for coming in here and braving the crowd. We can be a tough bunch. ;-)

    That said – my position still stands that you and the restaurant are both in the wrong here. I’m glad to see that you do recognize your part in this saga.

    As you can see from my comment – it most certainly IS a viable option to drag your belongings into that restaurant. You only had beach bags – we had full luggage for two adults and two teenagers! The restaurant, while expensive, is not THAT high-end – it’s not like it’s white tablecloths and bow-ties. It’s a reasonably casual beachside eatery, and they didn’t seem to have a problem at all with us bringing our bags in. They placed them in a locked closet, and the hostess then retrieved them for us when we were through.

    So that’s your lesson: next time, in similar circumstances, in a place known for such a high crime rate, take your stuff with you.

    I do feel for you that you have no recourse at this point (unless you have some type of insurance to cover it). The moment you drove out of that parking lot without having checked your trunk, the restaurant is relieved of responsibility. I’m sure you are kicking yourself for having made that gaffe. It was definitely an expensive lesson.

    As for the restaurant, like I said in my earlier comment, they behaved deplorably themselves. They were already in the clear – your departure from their parking lot assures that. Knowing that, there was just no reason for their snarky, condescending response…other than what appears to be an inherent disdain for the very tourists who keep them rolling in profits. Not the way to treat your meal ticket.

    It may bring you no comfort, but their response has cost them OUR business. And that’s an actual loss, and probably a big one, as we’ll be out there for a large family wedding in just a few months. Hopefully somebody from Mama’s Fish House is reading this, and will rethink how they deal with unhappy customers in the future.

  • Sheila

    I can see both sides of this situation. I travel to Hawaii two or three times each year.

    Every rental car we’ve had in Hawaii has a large sticker in the truck that advises not to leave valuables in the trunk. It’s a pain in the behind, but each time we leave the car, we drag out our valuables to carry along with us.

    The parking lot at Mama’s is not big at all. I don’t know why they don’t offer a self-park option. It’s not like you have a long walk from anywhere in the parking lot — think 2 minutes maximum. These folks were dining at lunch time in daylight. It would be almost impossible for a valet employee not to notice someone opening these two vehicles and snagging all their stuff.

    Like others have mentioned, the tone of the letter from Mama’s is horrible. With that attitude towards visitors, I’ll probably think twice before dining there again.

    We avoid valet parking like the plague. In 2007, we had a rental car damaged by the valet at Sam Choy’s Breakfast, Lunch, and Crab in Honolulu. They didn’t take responsibility and were very rude to us. We definitely felt dismissed because we were clearly visitors in a rental car. We called the Honolulu Police before leaving the parking lot. Though the police wrote up a report, there was little they could do. The officer told me that it wasn’t the first time they’d been called out for a similar instance.

  • MarieOchadleus

    @LeeAnne
    Thank you for the follow-up. I knew that I would most likely get chewed up and spit out for bringing this story to light. I’m very willing to accept responsibility for 1) not taking my bags in with me and 2) not looking in the trunk before we left. I will not offer excuses. It has been a valuable lesson. I had no intention of sharing my embarassment in lack of judgement until Mama’s emails came back as they had. You don’t see half of what they wrote in Chrostopher’s article. Suffice it to say, their customer service is very lacking. I sincerely believe there is a problem with their valet service. I was there and know all the details of this saga. They were negligent in my opnion.

    Having said that, I understand Mama’s perspective on this very well. I have no doubt there are disreputable people who try to take advantage. There’s no way for me to indicate to readers that I’m not one of them, so I’m at the mercy of those who respond here. It’s their choice to take away from this what they will. It’s been interesting reading this morning! Thank you for your support.

    For those of you who were wondering, I did contact my insurance carrier. Between the deductible and the increase in insurance premiums due to a loss in “claim free” discounts, I will recoup very little of the value of those contents. I was told that if a person has more than one claim on their insurance, they can be dropped and that subsequent carriers rates will be exponentially increased. For this amount of money, it doesn’t seem worthwhile. I’ve already checked into the travel insurance we did purchase for this trip, and will try to let you know what comes of that. There are a lot of exclusions in the policy.

    I do hope Mama’s Fish House reads these comments. I’m sure they are tickled pink over the abuse I’ve taken. It doesn’t matter to me. What matters is that other travelers are warned. If others chose to visit their establishment after reading this story, at least they know what to expect.

  • Eric

    I can speak with authority on this convertible since I rented it. As most commenting on this article don’t seem to realize, when a convertible is locked the trunk cannot be opened by the trunk release.

    Also, when you valet park you relinquish control of your keys, that’s the way it works.

    Finally, when you are on vacation and leave your hotel for an entire day of site-seeing you have no choice but to take more than you care to carry into a restaurant. With today’s convenient toys and gadgets (iPod, GPS, etc…) along with a change of cloths for everyone in the car, the value of gear adds up quickly.

    The misconception of security is conveyed once you see “Professionals” taking control of your vehicle at an establishment like Mama’s Fishhouse. Had the Valet locked either vehicle this would not have been an issue. There would have been signs of forced entry.

    This is merely a lesson to all that read this; don’t trust the lowest paid employees to treat your car the way you would. And never assume that a popular restaurant in a tourist area cares about your individual experience. They are there to make money on your immediate visit and don’t care about return customers.

  • Jane

    I will never eat at Mama’s Fish House now knowing their pompous and dismissive attitudes towards customers and especially tourists.

    There are many “opportunists” in Hawaii, but we should always be careful to protect our valuables no matter where we are vacationing because “opportunists” are everywhere. Yes, there are higher chances of becoming victims of “opportunists” in busy tourist areas, but it can happen anywhere, even where you least expect it and no matter how well you protect your valuables. We had items stolen from our locked luggage at HNL airport by a very opportunistic TSA employee. Instead of using the TSA lock keys that are supposed to be used to unlock TSA approved luggage locks, that TSA person was brazen enough to break our locks, did some five-finger shopping (doubt there was even a search for any hidden bombs), and then threw the broken locks inside our luggage just to show us what he/she had done. We did all we could to protect our valuables and still became victims of an “opportunist”.

  • chuck

    Guess I am just lucky. I am almost 70 and have never had one thing stolen from me on a trip Yes, I have had every scammer in Paris and Rome etc. as well as their little slave children try to pickpocket my wife and me over and over. You must pay attention and not be the Stupido Americano that so many of us are. When you stand on a corner with an open map instead of inside a bar to do your planning, you are a sitting duck. People laughed when I had velcro sewn in my inside pockets. My sister lost her camera with hundreds of digital photos last trip to Rome. When we buy stuff, we have it shipped from the store where we buy it. We travel with two roll ons and buy a bag there to bring home the Dom and trickets. Our first trip many years ago we took two suitcases each and had eurail passes and every time we got on the train locals took one look at us and just roared with laughter. By the time we got to Venice I decided to send one bag each home and it ended up costing almost $200 but it was worth it. You live and learn. Next time have a drink at Mama’s but go back to La Haina and eat at Longhees. Mahalo

  • Seamus

    Uh, Eric, a note about your blog:
    While I won’t question your qualifications or authority on the matters at hand, i.e., rental of this auto or others, and the criminal activities around Mama’s, etc, what I would mention, however, is: Suppose the convertible WASN’T locked? After all, those “low(est)-paid employees” no doubt never bothered to lock a convertible with top down. Ergo, the ability to “pop the top” as someone else has mentioned.

    Geez, today with all the vast array of clothing, beach wear, sun tan lotions, toys, gadgets, IPods, GPS systems, etc., etc., one should expect a higher level of attention to detail and keep a special eye out for any convertible, even if he or she is dealing with those ‘low-paid’ valet parking employees. BTW, you’d be much surprised to know how much one of those L-P valet parking guys can pull down on a good night!
    Selah

  • Sarah Di

    Jane,

    Why did you check your valuables? Even with a lock on my baggage, I always carry on any valuables simply because if someone wants in badly enough, they will get in, lock or not. If anybody opens my checked luggage, all they’re going to find is clothes and toiletries. Electronics, jewelry and anything I absolutely can’t lose is carried on me and doesn’t leave my sight.

  • Jacqui

    The response from the owners also makes me question the valet staff. If the owners don’t care, I’m sure the staff knows this. Easy way to make a few quick bucks.

  • Simon

    What ARROGANCE on the part of the restaurant. They have insurance and no doubt could have and should have made an effort to make their customers whole. What’s worse than uninformed toursists? How about the Tourist Traps and the people who run them. Just because this restaursnt charges over $300 for lunch doesn’t make it any less a TRAP for unsupecting tourists and their money.

  • Dave

    A few notes:

    1. You don’t have to use the valet at Mama’s. There is street and nearby beach parking. This is the patrons’ choice. I have made both choices with no problem.

    2. I’ve been to Mama’s numerous times over the years and had great service at lunch and dinner. Your milage may vary, but I’d suggest not writing this restaurant off.

    3. Mama’s is on the beach and and has seen it ALL. I’ve been in the restaurant with sandy feet and old shorts. Never had a problem. You chose to not take your items in. Trust me, they’d not blink an eye.

    4. Finally, when I visit Hawaii, I treat the area like I do my home in Los Angeles: doors locked, take valuables with me, nothing exposed, avoid valets, always park with my convertible top down -and I don’t ever expect anyone to do it for me (!) and I always make sure that anything I leave in my car I am quite comfortable never seeing again.

    You made a mistake. It’s not Mama’s fault. You did not carry the appropriate insurance. I’m sorry you lost your items.

  • Dave

    One more thing:

    I have a late model, upscale convertible. I locked my keys in the trunk one time. The top was down.
    The lock inside the passenger cabin for the trunk was locked, so I could not open the trunk with the release in the cabin.
    The tow truck driver arrived and quickly showed me how to get into my trunk in SECONDS without a key. Lesson learned, I no longer leave my top down when I am not in the car.

  • Brian C

    1) Don’t go to a high tourist-traffic area and expect good service or good value.

    2) ipod, gps, and other electronics or valuables should come inside with you–or on the plane with you. If you let something out of your sight, whether locked in a car, left with a valet, or checked in baggage, you can’t be too mad if it gets lost, stolen, or mutilated.

    3) Just be glad it’s stuff that’s missing. Stuff can eventually be replaced. People cannot.

  • adele

    We once parked at a beach on the big island for about 30 min. When we came back, we found the car was broken into. Whoever had done it rifled through the glove box, and several bags, which all contained nothing of value. We had hidden the camera in the diaper bag. They didn’t touch the diaper bag!

    So if you want to keep valuables from being stolen, get some diapers and hide the items with the diapers. Hey, I bet dirty diapers work even better!

  • http://www.roamingtales.com Caitlin

    @Eric While many cars have a trunk release inside the car, not all do. For example, the Chrysler Touring I rented last weekend in San Diego did not – you could only open the trunk with the locking/unlocking button on the key. I would expect that a convertible would be even less likely to have a trunk release button inside the car.

    This puts me off valet parking. Why would I hand over my keys to a stranger if there is no responsibility taken?

  • http://www.roamingtales.com Caitlin

    I see that others have commented on the trunk release issue as well and the OP has clarified that the trunk is locked even when the top down.

    It does sound awfully like either a) Mamas employees stole the bags or b) Mamas employees negligently didn’t lock the vehicles and someone else stole the bags. Either way there might not be legal liability but it’s pretty shoddy service.

    I can accept an “all care taken but no responsibility”, but only if there really is “all care” along with the “no responsibility”. And Mamas letter was terrible.

    And it’s a good point as to why doesn’t Mamas have cameras in their valet service parking lot.

  • christine

    OPs actions were to leave her luggage in her car (no matter if it was a convertible or not, she left them in the car!) OP said she is an experienced traveller. Really? How often does she leave valuables in her car? What should a restaurant do, provide visual guards overseeing every parked car in addition to the valet parking attendants? Why should they if, as the rental car, parking stubs, etc all tell you not to leave valuables in the car? I do not get why the restaurant is being held to a higher standard than the OP.

    Baffled

  • leahs

    I’m surprised you gave this problem so much “ink.” I’m a new to your site and this kind of problem seems like one that any minimally experienced traveler would know how to avoid, much less one that an experienced traveler would be interested in reading about. This is a problem that anyone who has ever valeted a car (having traveled or not) should be aware of. I hope that the information your site shares in the future is more valuable than the advice that you give here.

  • travelwrites

    As a travel journalist that resides in Hawaii, and writes (with frequency) on locales that include Paia, Maui, and Mamas Fish House, I would say that the mere printing of this story on this site discredits the host of said site and any credentials that he may or may not have. A short look at the facts…

    These tourists, as many on this thread—who do NOT count the title “Travel Expert among their credentials—made the same point I would: What type of traveler hands off a rental car with $2500 in personal items to ANYONE, let alone a convertible, with the top down? An ass, for lack of a better description. Better yet, someone with a giant target on their head. Or, perhaps, someone looking to get ripped off and find someone to blame. (In fact, the more I write, the more the “Balloon Boy” story is coming to front of mind.)

    Second, the admission that they didn’t check their trunk upon departing the restaurant, then went in to Paia—a town where, as any local will tell you, you are GUARANTEED to have your rental car broken in to if you park in the municipal lot behind Charlie’s Bar & Grill—and point a finger at the owners of Mama’s Fish House for their incompetency at the game of travel? I almost didn’t post because anyone that gives edit space/bloggosphere time to a pair of traveling morons like this deserves to, well, call himself “a blogger”.

    I think Mama’s Fish House should sue the Ochadleus family for punitive damages going forward. Say, in the amount of $25,000. For being stupid, and crying to a semi-public figure asking for help.

    Yours,
    travel writer, extraordinaire

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