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No refund for canceled Vegas vacation

September 26, 2009

parisvegasQuestion: I’m trying to get a refund for a flight, and I need your help. Last summer, my husband and I booked a trip to Las Vegas through Travelocity. In late August, he was diagnosed with colon cancer, which had metastasized to the liver. Travelocity refunded $314 but kept $737 as a “cancellation penalty.”

I was advised to write to Travelocity’s customer service department for the balance. I sent them supporting documents and have been writing and calling ever since, always to be told that I would hear from them in 30 to 60 days but never hearing from them unless I initiated the call.

Finally, I was told there would be no refund. In contrast, we had a trip planned for Thanksgiving through Southwest Airlines, and when I notified them, I had a complete refund within weeks.

If you could intercede on our behalf, we would be grateful. We are a senior couple living on a fixed income, and these were circumstances beyond our control. — Ethel Schweitzer, Boynton Beach, Fla.

Answer: Travelocity wasn’t keeping any of your money as a cancellation penalty. Those appear to be your US Airways tickets, which are nonrefundable.


Someone at Travelocity should have advised you that you could have received a credit for up to a year for the tickets, but it looks like the trip was canceled outright, leaving you with nothing.

As a matter of policy, airlines don’t make exceptions for passengers with nonrefundable tickets who fall ill and can’t travel. But as a matter of practice, they evaluate each case — some more carefully than others — and will grant a refund request once in a while.

You were correct to write and call Travelocity. But were you writing to the correct people? I suggested sending a letter up the chain of command, starting with Travelocity’s vice president for sales and customer service. The response: “Unfortunately, many hotel and airline policies are very strict and do not allow for refunds in the case of serious illness.”

Next, I recommended that you explain the situation to US Airways. You did, but it replied with a form letter denying your request. Too bad.

It’s important to understand that neither Travelocity nor US Airways are under any obligation to refund your money. When you’re offered a package or trip that includes nonrefundable airfare or hotel rates, travel companies have a duty to remind customers to buy travel insurance. That way, if something happens, you won’t lose your entire vacation.

Did your online travel agent and airline suggest an insurance policy? I don’t know because I wasn’t there. But my sense is that most travelers gloss over the fine print regarding cancellations, and that travel companies are content to let them do it. Until something goes wrong.

For me, the last line in your letter — noting that these were circumstances beyond your control — was the clincher. We constantly allow travel companies off the hook when there are events they can’t control, like weather. When thunderstorms ground your plane, for example, you aren’t entitled to any compensation, and the airline is under no obligation to pay for your hotel or meals while you wait for the weather to clear.

Why shouldn’t an airline show some compassion when something similar happens to one of its passengers?

I asked US Airways to take another look at your case. The airline refunded your $737.

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20 comments

  • Jenny

    I am sure that US Airways was able to fill the seat. That’s what I don’t understand, with less flights going out, doesn’t that mean that flights for the most part are full? I am glad that US Airways refunded the money, it was not a loss for them.

  • EricR

    It absolutely disgusts me that it takes a travel ombudsman and member of the press to get companies to do the right thing. What about all the other people? What about people who don’t have Internet access or don’t know about Elliott.org? It really pains me to know how screwed those other consumers are!

    I don’t want to give a single cent to any of these travel companies, but what is a family to do when the only way to take a vacation more than 400 miles away from your home requires a flight, boat, or rental car?

    My family has become extremely picky about our vacations. If we can take it locally, or even just relax at home with a staycation, that’s what we’re doing. Because of all the horrid customer service about which I read on this site and others, the hospitality industry has lost thousands of dollars of my money of the past eight years. Instead, I’m spending it on driving, trains, and nice dinners.

    Our vacation of choice is a cruise, but only ones that originate from a port we can drive to (so I don’t have to deal with an airline and the TSA). So far, at least, Princess Cruises has been reliable.

    And when we do fly, we fly Southwest Airlines if at all possible. No airline is perfect, but aside from a few mechanical scandals, Southwest’s customer service is about as good as can be expected. If United, USAir, American Airlines, and the other legacy carriers had Southwest’s customer service, you’d see a lot fewer complaints on Elliott.org!

    Why is it so hard for companies like Travelocity or USAirways to show some compassion to generate some positive word-of-mouth? What possible percentage of their customers get cancer before a trip and have to cancel for these businesses to have such inflexible policies?

    My best example of how customer service should work is Amazon.com. The phrase “the customer is always right” must be their credo, because they almost never say no to a request, and always follow-up positively on my complaints. They always take my word at face value, and never hesitate to issue refunds – even when it’s not clear I should receive one. As a result, they’re the only online store I use.

    Any airline that operated like Amazon.com would not only get all my business, but would get it much more frequently. Well, I can dream…

  • Ronda

    This is the sort of situation in which makes me sick. An elderly man can’t make his flight becuase he’s diagnosed with CANCER and the travel company and airline give this poor man’s wife hell for it. When your on fixed income, 700 dollers is ALOT, especially in this economy, and the extra costs of staying in a hospital will cause this couple. (even with medicare)
    I think that both the airline, and the travel company should’ve worked harder to get this couple’s money back even if it wasnt a refundable ticket. Ethically and morally, its the right thing to do, and they should’ve done it without getting Chris Elliot involved.
    All I can say is its a damn good thing that your here to help travellers who get caught up in travel companies greediness. I sincerely hope that travel companies will learn from your example and put helping out the people who end up in these situations before they’re profit.

  • Joe Farrell

    I KNOW I am going to get flamed for this – but –

    Why do senior citizens ALWAYS whine about being on a ‘fixed income.’

    EVERYONE is on a fixed income. I can’t go to the company and ask for more money cause I need more money this month. Seniors somehow think that ‘being on a fixed income’ means that they are somehow entitled to some special dispensation.

    And before the OP comes after me – I ask ONE question: “Why did you say that you were on a fixed income?” How is it remotely relevant to your claim? It is not, it is designed to get you sympathy as in oh, the poor seniors need their money back because they are on a fixed income.

    Ok, with that off my chest, I am truly sorry that your husband was afflicted with cancer- my mother died from exactly the same disease and same complications. I am happy that Chris was able to get your money refunded.

    However – as Chris points out – these were non-refundable tickets. When you bought them were they non-refundable only in the case of cancer or death? What if you simply won a free trip to London, Paris and Rome that you had to take that week- would you have given up the trip to Vegas? Why is this any different when it comes to non-refundable?

    The point that makes my blood boil is the cavalier way that the companies deny these requests for unusual situations yet expect us to be understanding for them as Chris correctly notes. The issue in this case is that the person was afflicted with a life threatening condition and all they can do is send a form letter. The attitude the airlines express is people get cancer in order to get a refund of their ticket price.

    Any normal business would be, thank you for the doctors note, sir, I am so sorry you have a life threatening illness, please don’t worry about your trip, you come back to us when you are well and we’ll be happy to accommodate you. Not the airline or hospitality industry.

    What is wrong with USAir? It takes a travel journalist who has a large following who can publicize a heartless company to get USAir to do the human and compassionate thing. It seems that this a serious issue. I would love to see identical stories given to a regular person and a travel blogger to seek a refund and how successful each is – and publish it in MSNBC.

    One should not have to be a lawyer or a travel journalist to be able to get a business to operate compassionately. In NEITHER case is the business operating compassionately, merely avoiding further hassle and expense and bad press. . . .

  • Justin

    Joe,

    I agree with many of your points. Almost all of us, young or elderly, are on a fixed income unless you are independently wealthy. That’s most certainly not the case with 90 percent of America. The fixed income argument is meant to elicit sympathy, which I think at times, is needed. Still, it’s a ploy because NONE of us can afford to part with large sums of money, good or bad economy. So with that said, I think Mr. Elliott pointed out the two words here. NONREFUNDABLE. This couple SHOULD HAVE in due diligence taken out travel insurance. While no one plans to get sick, that’s the risk you take when you go at it head first to save a few dollars.

    Now morally and ethically speaking, should the airlines have taken a closer look without Mr. Elliott’s help? Yes. Was it under any obligation to return a dime, NO. Once again, you pay to play and sometimes those few extra bucks you can save end up costing you FAR MORE.

    This couple was lucky there was a compassionate ombudsman to go to bat for them. In the world of business, all is fair, and gets dictated by the fine print. Still, I am glad they got a happy ending, as I am sure they can better use the money right now.

    Justin

  • Ronda

    I would just like to mention that Fixed income doesnt mean the same thing for us as it does elderly. YES, we are all on fixed income, however as we are younger we are able to fix that fixed income. we can get more by getting a second job whereas senior citizens are usually physically or mentally unable to get a job (which is why for alot of jobs, they require you to retire at 65) And i assume they’re on pension, which unfortunatly isnt what its all cracked up to be, they’re trying to make ends meet with what they have.
    Besides the matter isnt that they’re on a fixed income. becuase unless your a millionare, 700 dollers is ALOT of money, and it doesnt matter if your young or old. you lose that money for a reason you can’t control, your going to do everything you can to get it back.

  • Carver Farrow

    @Joe/Justin

    You both miss what a fixed income means. Unlike those of us who work, someone who is on a fixed income will never get a raise or bonus. They might get cost of living adjustments which merely preserves income, it doesn’t increase real income. That is a substantially different scenario than someone who works and has the potential to make more money through career advancement, more hours, bonus, changing jobs, etc.

    So no, there are very few able bodied, American, that are on fixed incomes.

  • http://americaonline barbie45

    hmm; i am so glad they received their money back; and so sorry about cancer which took my mother out at 67, and a cousin at 55. yet if they were on a so called fixed budget; why Vegas; having been there several times in the past pre recession unless yooou gamble not much else to do; sure you can sightsee the strip; the beautiful hotels ; take a tour to the Grand canyon; however shows food etc are not exacly free; if on alimited budget why Vegas; Also from the addsi Ihave been seeing the airfare seemed rather high; did that include accomodations etc. Vegas is great if you have a surplus cash fund but not if you are on limited funds.

  • Carver Farrow

    @barbie

    I have to respectfully disagree about Vegas. I’m not a gambler, but I love Vegas. The nature of Vegas is that it can be done on the cheap or extravegently, depending on your budget and tastes.

  • Justin

    Carver,

    I am quite aware of what a “Fix Income” signifies. Yes, when you are younger, you CAN try to remedy your situation by finding another source. You are more capable. Yet, what one MAY BE able to do and NOT do are two different things. Many people just can’t go out and get another job to fix their income issues. This being true right now in the economy we’re in. Still, even in the best of times, most people are on a budget. Fixed income is NOT an excuse for ignorance. Elderly people DO GET RAISES from social security in the form of cost of living. While it might not be much, they do get increases. Also, one would hope they have invested well, too. While 700 is a lot to MOST PEOPLE, it is NOT an excuse for failing to take due diligence. If this couple wanted to be protected, they SHOULD have taken out travel insurance. Small investments can protect large ones. They chose not to, and were very lucky Mr. Elliott was able to help them. While compassion on this case was nice, a business would be under no obligation legally to give them anything. They failed on their part as a consumer to protect themselves. Plain and simple.

  • http://americaonline barbie45

    carver; what can you do in Vegas that is cheap;

  • Joe Farrell

    Carver – et. al., if you don’t have enough money on your ‘fixed income’ there is this thing called a ‘job’ that has the miraculous effect of generating more income. Its what the rest of us do when we need more money. We find more work. If you did not save enough money to prove for a comfortable retirement – then you can’t be retired.

    Want good ez jobs for the elderly? Driving senior vans. Driving delivery and pick up vans for medical labs. Driving school buses and similar low stress part time jobs. Supermarkets. Greeter at Walmart. TSA agent [yep = good job at good pay and they hire the elderly because people respect and are less rude to them overall] and similar jobs. They pay enough to help out with expenses but not enough so that you lose SSI benefits.

  • Kathyj

    Without going into the details, I have some personal experience with the cost of living adjustments for those on disability. They were reliable and consistent. I’d take that any day over fickle raises from an employer (not promotion-related) that can be skipped or even rolled back when it suits them.

  • Jennifer

    I’m, too, likely to get flamed for this. Non-refundable means non-refundable. When someone purchases a vacation, he either purchases trip cancellation insurance or he gambles and doesn’t. A senior citizen couple, especially, should purchase trip cancellation insurance.

    While certainly I’m sorry that the gentleman was diagnosed with cancer after he bought his vacation, all of these refunds on non-refundable tickets must be made up somewhere. It will be made up by increasing fares for those of us who abide by the rules. It’s nice that Chris tries to get money back for these folks but when are we going to hear about the rest of us who have to make up the difference?

    By the way, Barbie, I live in Vegas and we are hurting. There are very inexpensive vacation packages now. Hotels have cut room rates by more than 50% There are places like the MGM where you can eat all day for something like $25. Vegas is not just for gaming and there is plenty to do that is relatively inexpensive. Shows have also come way down. I don’t know when you came here but things are very different now.

  • Lianne

    Elliott hits the nail on the head when he points out that there are times when the airline will scream “It was out of our control” in order to avoid compensating passengers, but when a passenger has a situtation that’s out their control the airline says “too bad” or “You should have bought insurance.”

    @ Justin – I don’t know how elderly these seniors are, but the “need” for travel insurance is a fairly new phenomena tied into the airline’s increasingly draconian refund policies. My parents who are in their 60s still don’t see the “need” for insurance no matter how much I tell them it’s prudent. They’re leasuire travelers from a different era of customer service and they believe that companies will “do the right thing” if disaster strikes.
    Additionally, its pretty clear that whole situation was not fully explained to the Schweitzers. They thought they were being charged a cancelation penalty, when really they should have charged a change fee and given a credit for the additional amount of the ticket. If that was not communicated then US Air & Travelocity seriously dropped the ball.

    @ Barbie::
    You don’t need to be dropping a ton of cash.The first time I went to Vegas I was there for a week and budgeted $300 for gambling & a show. I went home with about $100 left. Here’s what I did:

    Free – Fremont Street Experiance, Bellagio Fountains, Circus Circus Clown Acts, Bellagio Conservatory & Botanical Gardens
    Cheap Show Tickets- Half price tix booth has fantastic deals on shows that don’t sell out, got a $30 front row mezzanine seat for Avenue Q when it was at the Wynn.
    Cheap Food- Any number of buy one get one free buffets, 99 cent stands for hot dogs & fries, also got freebies/discounts for signing up for player’s clubs.
    Cheap gambling- I played Pai Gow Poker on the same $40 for 6 hours, $3 Blackjack, also did the occasional round of penny slots.

  • http://americaonline barbie45

    i have heard that vegas is in trouble and I feel very badly; Lianne i find it amazing you spent only 300.00 for a week with gambling; and you came back with one hundred pretty lucky; as I stated we were there for precession; still those deals were around ; hot dogs etc. we did the same things you did plus the antique car collection ; cococola factory; however without accommodations THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE ; YOU MUST HAVE HAD A LUCKY STREAK . ALSO the forum at CAESARS.

  • Lianne

    To clarify…$300 was my spending money AFTER I got there, I paid an additional $250 for plane tix, but my room only cost 60 for the week because I was splitting a timeshare week at the Sahara with some friends and they just asked for a portion of the maintainence fees.

    And other than one day where I was up $50, no incredible streak of luck, I’m just an unabashed penny ante gambler :-)

  • http://americaonline barbie45

    so you lived roughly on 30 dollars a day; i too love the pennies and nickles; hmm what about transportation to and from the hotel did you factor that in; also i have heard if you break even or come out a little you have won; still for elderly people on a so calledfixed income Also you probably know the strees are alot longerthan they look,and you must walk pretty briskly to safely get from one side to another. The point that Iam assuming is that the husband was not initially in the best of health, it could be a not so cheap vacation., especially if they gamble.

  • DN

    For those who posted about the need for travel insurance in this case, hasn’t there been a rash of posts from Chris about how he has to intercede with people who bought travel insurance policies and then the insurance companies proceeded to screw them?

    My question is, how did Travelocity get to keep $737? My initial thought was that the value was from the hotel reservations, but Chris mentioned US Airways so it had to be the non-refundable airfare. Even with $150 change fees, shouldn’t they have only kept $300 in the first place?

  • Jen

    I’m so glad that Joe F. brought up his point regarding “We are a senior couple living on a fixed income…”. I see that at least a few times every week in a column by The Fixer in the Chicago Sun-Times, and it drives me nuts! I completely agree with you Joe.

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