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		<title>By: Backpackersantiago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Backpackersantiago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who would want to rent from them anyways after going through that experience!</description>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher Elliot: do car rental companies get our social security numbers when we rent from them?  I think i&#039;m involved in something similar to this lady.  I rented a car (Thrifty) and ran over a nail.  When i returned the car they said the rim was also bent (it was a Ford Fusion with low-profile tires, which is seriously insane if you ask me to put a low-profile sports tire on a rental car).  I DID NOT bend the rim of the car.  I never hit a bump or anything that was unusual.  If it did bend it was due to it being faulty. I think it was already bent and when they went to change the tire they first found it.  But they&#039;re telling me I owe $465 and there&#039;s no way i&#039;m paying that.  So my question is: if they don&#039;t have my SS#, what can they do other than send me to collections who will just harass me and eventually go away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher Elliot: do car rental companies get our social security numbers when we rent from them?  I think i&#8217;m involved in something similar to this lady.  I rented a car (Thrifty) and ran over a nail.  When i returned the car they said the rim was also bent (it was a Ford Fusion with low-profile tires, which is seriously insane if you ask me to put a low-profile sports tire on a rental car).  I DID NOT bend the rim of the car.  I never hit a bump or anything that was unusual.  If it did bend it was due to it being faulty. I think it was already bent and when they went to change the tire they first found it.  But they&#8217;re telling me I owe $465 and there&#8217;s no way i&#8217;m paying that.  So my question is: if they don&#8217;t have my SS#, what can they do other than send me to collections who will just harass me and eventually go away?</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-troubleshooter/help-my-car-rental-company-is-taking-me-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-27337</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting story...(Mr Elliot...I TOTALLY love your column.  It&#039;s taught me a LOT)...

I always have the rental car company inspect my car...if there&#039;s something wrong they really need to state so then.   If she didn&#039;t damage the tire then I&#039;m a rather surprised that she&#039;d settle.  The only thing I can figure is that perhaps when they showed her the documentation that she remembered where and when it could have taken place or what happened. (Perhaps they ran over a curb or maybe hit a road hazard something and didn&#039;t think about it at the time because the car seemed to still be fine).  Thus the reduced fee would have been &quot;generous&quot;.  

Tires are often made fairly well these days...it IS entirely possible to drive for a while on a damaged (not flat or blown) tire and not realize it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting story&#8230;(Mr Elliot&#8230;I TOTALLY love your column.  It&#8217;s taught me a LOT)&#8230;</p>
<p>I always have the rental car company inspect my car&#8230;if there&#8217;s something wrong they really need to state so then.   If she didn&#8217;t damage the tire then I&#8217;m a rather surprised that she&#8217;d settle.  The only thing I can figure is that perhaps when they showed her the documentation that she remembered where and when it could have taken place or what happened. (Perhaps they ran over a curb or maybe hit a road hazard something and didn&#8217;t think about it at the time because the car seemed to still be fine).  Thus the reduced fee would have been &#8220;generous&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Tires are often made fairly well these days&#8230;it IS entirely possible to drive for a while on a damaged (not flat or blown) tire and not realize it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hertz+Ford+Firestone=tread separation
If the renter had further information on the rental, resulting in the above equation, the issue wouldn&#039;t be renter caused tire damage.  It would be headlines, they tried to kill me in Scotland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_controversy

Too bad the flicker image didn&#039;t show the part number of the tire.  It looks like Chinese adhesive not holding the tread to the tire.

Here lies open trade
Between America and China
Killed by the 35% Tire Tariff
And cost is higher from Korea

RIP
Nobody was Faster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hertz+Ford+Firestone=tread separation<br />
If the renter had further information on the rental, resulting in the above equation, the issue wouldn&#8217;t be renter caused tire damage.  It would be headlines, they tried to kill me in Scotland.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_controversy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_controversy</a></p>
<p>Too bad the flicker image didn&#8217;t show the part number of the tire.  It looks like Chinese adhesive not holding the tread to the tire.</p>
<p>Here lies open trade<br />
Between America and China<br />
Killed by the 35% Tire Tariff<br />
And cost is higher from Korea</p>
<p>RIP<br />
Nobody was Faster</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-troubleshooter/help-my-car-rental-company-is-taking-me-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-27302</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christopher, thanks for the details.  I definitely did not read her letter that way to begin with - it came across to me (and, obviously, others in here) that she believed she didn&#039;t damage the tire at all.  But your explanation makes sense.  And I&#039;m VERY glad to hear that she is not just another victim of an unscrupulous rental car agency perpetrating this classic scam!  As an almost-victim myself, I&#039;m a wee bit senstive to stories about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christopher, thanks for the details.  I definitely did not read her letter that way to begin with &#8211; it came across to me (and, obviously, others in here) that she believed she didn&#8217;t damage the tire at all.  But your explanation makes sense.  And I&#8217;m VERY glad to hear that she is not just another victim of an unscrupulous rental car agency perpetrating this classic scam!  As an almost-victim myself, I&#8217;m a wee bit senstive to stories about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-troubleshooter/help-my-car-rental-company-is-taking-me-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-27300</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike, that&#039;s a photo from Flickr, as indicated at the bottom of the post.

@LeeAnne, appreciate your careful reading of this story and thoughtful comments.

&lt;blockquote&gt;To our surprise, we later found a $250 charge on our American Express for a damaged tire. But that didn’t make sense. If it had been damaged we wouldn’t have been able to drive the car back to the airport.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

She isn&#039;t saying that the tire wasn&#039;t damage. She&#039;s saying that if there was damage, it wasn&#039;t severe.

You really have to read this letter carefully. She invited the Hertz representative to inspect the car. Why would anyone ask the car rental company to inspect the car, under those circumstances?

Then she quickly agreed to split the difference with Hertz. Again, I believe this was a paperwork problem. I think the OP probably ran over something. At any rate, the resolution was presented to me, and she agreed to pay the reduced fee. So Hertz showed her something that satisfied her documentation needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike, that&#8217;s a photo from Flickr, as indicated at the bottom of the post.</p>
<p>@LeeAnne, appreciate your careful reading of this story and thoughtful comments.</p>
<blockquote><p>To our surprise, we later found a $250 charge on our American Express for a damaged tire. But that didn’t make sense. If it had been damaged we wouldn’t have been able to drive the car back to the airport.</p></blockquote>
<p>She isn&#8217;t saying that the tire wasn&#8217;t damage. She&#8217;s saying that if there was damage, it wasn&#8217;t severe.</p>
<p>You really have to read this letter carefully. She invited the Hertz representative to inspect the car. Why would anyone ask the car rental company to inspect the car, under those circumstances?</p>
<p>Then she quickly agreed to split the difference with Hertz. Again, I believe this was a paperwork problem. I think the OP probably ran over something. At any rate, the resolution was presented to me, and she agreed to pay the reduced fee. So Hertz showed her something that satisfied her documentation needs.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-troubleshooter/help-my-car-rental-company-is-taking-me-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-27297</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike, I&#039;m sure Christopher will answer your question, but in the meantime I wanted to say that I&#039;m quite sure that is NOT an actual photograph of the tire in question.  If you look at the history of his articles, the accompanying photos are almost invariably just stock images related to the topic, not photos of the actual people or objects involved.  (Excluding, of course, today&#039;s article about the shuttle launch, which by its very nature required an actual photo of the event.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike, I&#8217;m sure Christopher will answer your question, but in the meantime I wanted to say that I&#8217;m quite sure that is NOT an actual photograph of the tire in question.  If you look at the history of his articles, the accompanying photos are almost invariably just stock images related to the topic, not photos of the actual people or objects involved.  (Excluding, of course, today&#8217;s article about the shuttle launch, which by its very nature required an actual photo of the event.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher, is that an actual photo of what the agency sent to her or just a stock photo of a damaged tire? I only ask because I seriously doubt that she was able to do that to a tire unless she was doing doughnuts and burnouts in a parking lot the whole time she had the car. If that is the real photo, there is something wrong with the car, not just the tire and the problem with the car is what caused the damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher, is that an actual photo of what the agency sent to her or just a stock photo of a damaged tire? I only ask because I seriously doubt that she was able to do that to a tire unless she was doing doughnuts and burnouts in a parking lot the whole time she had the car. If that is the real photo, there is something wrong with the car, not just the tire and the problem with the car is what caused the damage.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-troubleshooter/help-my-car-rental-company-is-taking-me-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-27285</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christopher - not to belabor this, but the OP did actually indicate she did not believe she damaged the tire.  Her words exactly:

&quot;To our surprise, we later found a $250 charge on our American Express for a damaged tire. But that didn’t make sense. If it had been damaged we wouldn’t have been able to drive the car back to the airport.&quot;

And then she disputed the charge.

I don&#039;t see any way to interpret this other than she didn&#039;t believe she&#039;d damaged the tire.  But after reading your clarifications, it appears she did, in fact, damage the tire...and Hertz was able to provide adequate documentation to prove this.

So, that being the case, good job in getting Hertz to bring the charge for the damage back down to a reasonable level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christopher &#8211; not to belabor this, but the OP did actually indicate she did not believe she damaged the tire.  Her words exactly:</p>
<p>&#8220;To our surprise, we later found a $250 charge on our American Express for a damaged tire. But that didn’t make sense. If it had been damaged we wouldn’t have been able to drive the car back to the airport.&#8221;</p>
<p>And then she disputed the charge.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any way to interpret this other than she didn&#8217;t believe she&#8217;d damaged the tire.  But after reading your clarifications, it appears she did, in fact, damage the tire&#8230;and Hertz was able to provide adequate documentation to prove this.</p>
<p>So, that being the case, good job in getting Hertz to bring the charge for the damage back down to a reasonable level.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-troubleshooter/help-my-car-rental-company-is-taking-me-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-27283</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LeeAnne, thanks for the kind words. The OP didn&#039;t say that she didn&#039;t damage the tire. She said Hertz never offered adequate documentation. When that was provided, Hertz offered to reduce the amount of the claim. She then offered to pay, and contacted me to let me know what had happened. I hope this answers your question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LeeAnne, thanks for the kind words. The OP didn&#8217;t say that she didn&#8217;t damage the tire. She said Hertz never offered adequate documentation. When that was provided, Hertz offered to reduce the amount of the claim. She then offered to pay, and contacted me to let me know what had happened. I hope this answers your question.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-troubleshooter/help-my-car-rental-company-is-taking-me-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-27281</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christopher - (wish I could edit my comments, so I wouldn&#039;t have to double-post!) ;-)  I just want to make a couple things clear:  I am a big fan.  If I ever find myself in a travel-related bind with an intractable company trying to rip me off, you can bet you will be the first person I will turn to, after I&#039;ve exhausted my options in working with the company.  

That being said, you, like the rest of us, occasionally make mistakes.  So if I call attention to something that I believe is in error, please don&#039;t take it personally.

On this story, the bottom line is simply this:  DID she damage the tire, or didn&#039;t she?  It&#039;s a black and white issue.  If she did, she should pay for the damage.  If she didn&#039;t, she shouldn&#039;t.  Simple as that.

If Hertz provided evidence that she did, then she should pay.  If she has any question in her mind that she might have caused it, and Hertz provided documentation that she did, then she should pay.

But your article seems to indicate that she is dead certain she didn&#039;t.  And your article does not mention that Hertz provided any evidence whatsoever that she did.  Your statement at the end that they furnished &quot;additional documents&quot; gives us no indication what those documents are, and it definitely does not give the impression that these documents are any kind of evidence that she did the damage.

Rental car damage scams are legendary.  Just read the comments thread in any of the several articles you&#039;ve written on this topic.  Or do an internet search.  They happen frequently, and need to be stopped.  If this was not one of those scams, then it&#039;s really just a standard customer-damaged-car-and-doesn&#039;t-want-to-pay-for-it story.  If that&#039;s the case, then you definitely helped her by bringing the cost of the damage down to a more reasonable level (I would agree that $250 for a tire is a rip-off!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christopher &#8211; (wish I could edit my comments, so I wouldn&#8217;t have to double-post!) ;-)  I just want to make a couple things clear:  I am a big fan.  If I ever find myself in a travel-related bind with an intractable company trying to rip me off, you can bet you will be the first person I will turn to, after I&#8217;ve exhausted my options in working with the company.  </p>
<p>That being said, you, like the rest of us, occasionally make mistakes.  So if I call attention to something that I believe is in error, please don&#8217;t take it personally.</p>
<p>On this story, the bottom line is simply this:  DID she damage the tire, or didn&#8217;t she?  It&#8217;s a black and white issue.  If she did, she should pay for the damage.  If she didn&#8217;t, she shouldn&#8217;t.  Simple as that.</p>
<p>If Hertz provided evidence that she did, then she should pay.  If she has any question in her mind that she might have caused it, and Hertz provided documentation that she did, then she should pay.</p>
<p>But your article seems to indicate that she is dead certain she didn&#8217;t.  And your article does not mention that Hertz provided any evidence whatsoever that she did.  Your statement at the end that they furnished &#8220;additional documents&#8221; gives us no indication what those documents are, and it definitely does not give the impression that these documents are any kind of evidence that she did the damage.</p>
<p>Rental car damage scams are legendary.  Just read the comments thread in any of the several articles you&#8217;ve written on this topic.  Or do an internet search.  They happen frequently, and need to be stopped.  If this was not one of those scams, then it&#8217;s really just a standard customer-damaged-car-and-doesn&#8217;t-want-to-pay-for-it story.  If that&#8217;s the case, then you definitely helped her by bringing the cost of the damage down to a more reasonable level (I would agree that $250 for a tire is a rip-off!).</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-troubleshooter/help-my-car-rental-company-is-taking-me-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-27278</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christopher - thanks for the clarification.  But please go back and read your article.  You did NOT mention in the article that Hertz ultimately did provide documentation of the damage.  All you said was that Hertz insisted they handled the claim“in line with our standard procedures,” and &quot;It furnished you with additional documents.&quot; Nowhere did you clarify (until this comment) that they actually furnished documents that showed the damage to the tire.

That puts an entirely different spin on it.

If you go back and read your article, you will see that it makes it very clear that Ms Osborne does not believe she damaged the tire.  You said nothing in your article to refute that.  So, if one was to ONLY read your article, one is led to believe that Ms Osborne is being asked to pay $125 for damage that SHE DID NOT INFLICT on that vehicle.

If that were the case, then it would be a scam.  

Again, I appreciate your follow-up.  But please try to understand why so many of us, myself included, believed this was a scam.  It&#039;s because of how you wrote your article. 

I would encourage you to provide a brief update at the end of your article to make it clear that Hertz furnished documentation indicating that Ms Osborne actually damaged the tire.  Without that information, your article is doing a disservice to Hertz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christopher &#8211; thanks for the clarification.  But please go back and read your article.  You did NOT mention in the article that Hertz ultimately did provide documentation of the damage.  All you said was that Hertz insisted they handled the claim“in line with our standard procedures,” and &#8220;It furnished you with additional documents.&#8221; Nowhere did you clarify (until this comment) that they actually furnished documents that showed the damage to the tire.</p>
<p>That puts an entirely different spin on it.</p>
<p>If you go back and read your article, you will see that it makes it very clear that Ms Osborne does not believe she damaged the tire.  You said nothing in your article to refute that.  So, if one was to ONLY read your article, one is led to believe that Ms Osborne is being asked to pay $125 for damage that SHE DID NOT INFLICT on that vehicle.</p>
<p>If that were the case, then it would be a scam.  </p>
<p>Again, I appreciate your follow-up.  But please try to understand why so many of us, myself included, believed this was a scam.  It&#8217;s because of how you wrote your article. </p>
<p>I would encourage you to provide a brief update at the end of your article to make it clear that Hertz furnished documentation indicating that Ms Osborne actually damaged the tire.  Without that information, your article is doing a disservice to Hertz.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LeeAnne, beg to differ. Hertz showed the customer the documentation she had asked for, which showed the damage to the tire. It agreed to cut the bill in half. The customer thought that was an equitable solution, and wrote me to tell me that. 

If this were an out-and-out scam, then believe me, I would have said it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LeeAnne, beg to differ. Hertz showed the customer the documentation she had asked for, which showed the damage to the tire. It agreed to cut the bill in half. The customer thought that was an equitable solution, and wrote me to tell me that. </p>
<p>If this were an out-and-out scam, then believe me, I would have said it.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in full agreement with those who say that Ms Osborne shouldn&#039;t pay a penny.

This is a rental company scam, and a well-known one.  It&#039;s been written about on this site before.  And frankly I&#039;m dismayed that Christopher ended his article with the implication that he did Ms Osborne any favors at all by getting them to cut an illegal charge in half.  Paying a PENNY to these scam artists is being a victim of a crime.

After hearing so many horror stories, I now do pretty much exactly what Don above describes - before I leave the lot, I take time-stamped photos of every single mark on the car, no matter how slight.  When I check the car in, I insist that the agent write &quot;no damage&quot; on the receipt.  I haven&#039;t had one decline to do that yet - but apparently (from what Don says) that seems to be their latest tool in their scam arsenal - so I guess I will now start videotaping them saying &quot;no damage&quot; too.

Does anybody see how wrong it is that we have to do this to protect ourselves from these scammers?

I did have a rental office attempt to scam me into paying for a scratch on a car that I was returning.  I&#039;ll never forget the look on the manager&#039;s face when I showed him the photo on my camera, time-stamped for before I left the lot, showing the exact same scratch on the car.

If Ms Osborne pays that $125, she is giving into a criminal scam...AND she is reinforcing the behavior.  Every time this scam works, these car rental companies are encouraged to do it again - and more hapless travelers will be illegally scammed out of their money.  STOP the car-rental damage scam!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in full agreement with those who say that Ms Osborne shouldn&#8217;t pay a penny.</p>
<p>This is a rental company scam, and a well-known one.  It&#8217;s been written about on this site before.  And frankly I&#8217;m dismayed that Christopher ended his article with the implication that he did Ms Osborne any favors at all by getting them to cut an illegal charge in half.  Paying a PENNY to these scam artists is being a victim of a crime.</p>
<p>After hearing so many horror stories, I now do pretty much exactly what Don above describes &#8211; before I leave the lot, I take time-stamped photos of every single mark on the car, no matter how slight.  When I check the car in, I insist that the agent write &#8220;no damage&#8221; on the receipt.  I haven&#8217;t had one decline to do that yet &#8211; but apparently (from what Don says) that seems to be their latest tool in their scam arsenal &#8211; so I guess I will now start videotaping them saying &#8220;no damage&#8221; too.</p>
<p>Does anybody see how wrong it is that we have to do this to protect ourselves from these scammers?</p>
<p>I did have a rental office attempt to scam me into paying for a scratch on a car that I was returning.  I&#8217;ll never forget the look on the manager&#8217;s face when I showed him the photo on my camera, time-stamped for before I left the lot, showing the exact same scratch on the car.</p>
<p>If Ms Osborne pays that $125, she is giving into a criminal scam&#8230;AND she is reinforcing the behavior.  Every time this scam works, these car rental companies are encouraged to do it again &#8211; and more hapless travelers will be illegally scammed out of their money.  STOP the car-rental damage scam!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but unless someone inspected the car immediately upon return how can they prove that it wasn&#039;t their guy who caused the damage? Additionally, maybe the tire was damaged like that when the renter got the car. While the damage is sever and could cause a pretty bad blowout, tires are strong and could have went a few miles before giving out, si unless the renter drove 3k miles while having the car, it is possible that someone else had damaged the tire.

In fact, given the picture, and lack of any tread showing in the photo, it appears as though the rental company has something wrong with their car that needed to be fixed. You can screw a sidewall up by rubbing it on the curb while turning, but it takes a mechanical problem to scrub all the tread off the tire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but unless someone inspected the car immediately upon return how can they prove that it wasn&#8217;t their guy who caused the damage? Additionally, maybe the tire was damaged like that when the renter got the car. While the damage is sever and could cause a pretty bad blowout, tires are strong and could have went a few miles before giving out, si unless the renter drove 3k miles while having the car, it is possible that someone else had damaged the tire.</p>
<p>In fact, given the picture, and lack of any tread showing in the photo, it appears as though the rental company has something wrong with their car that needed to be fixed. You can screw a sidewall up by rubbing it on the curb while turning, but it takes a mechanical problem to scrub all the tread off the tire.</p>
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