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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher Elliot: do car rental companies get our social security numbers when we rent from them?  I think i&#039;m involved in something similar to this lady.  I rented a car (Thrifty) and ran over a nail.  When i returned the car they said the rim was also bent (it was a Ford Fusion with low-profile tires, which is seriously insane if you ask me to put a low-profile sports tire on a rental car).  I DID NOT bend the rim of the car.  I never hit a bump or anything that was unusual.  If it did bend it was due to it being faulty. I think it was already bent and when they went to change the tire they first found it.  But they&#039;re telling me I owe $465 and there&#039;s no way i&#039;m paying that.  So my question is: if they don&#039;t have my SS#, what can they do other than send me to collections who will just harass me and eventually go away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher Elliot: do car rental companies get our social security numbers when we rent from them?  I think i&#8217;m involved in something similar to this lady.  I rented a car (Thrifty) and ran over a nail.  When i returned the car they said the rim was also bent (it was a Ford Fusion with low-profile tires, which is seriously insane if you ask me to put a low-profile sports tire on a rental car).  I DID NOT bend the rim of the car.  I never hit a bump or anything that was unusual.  If it did bend it was due to it being faulty. I think it was already bent and when they went to change the tire they first found it.  But they&#8217;re telling me I owe $465 and there&#8217;s no way i&#8217;m paying that.  So my question is: if they don&#8217;t have my SS#, what can they do other than send me to collections who will just harass me and eventually go away?</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting story...(Mr Elliot...I TOTALLY love your column.  It&#039;s taught me a LOT)...

I always have the rental car company inspect my car...if there&#039;s something wrong they really need to state so then.   If she didn&#039;t damage the tire then I&#039;m a rather surprised that she&#039;d settle.  The only thing I can figure is that perhaps when they showed her the documentation that she remembered where and when it could have taken place or what happened. (Perhaps they ran over a curb or maybe hit a road hazard something and didn&#039;t think about it at the time because the car seemed to still be fine).  Thus the reduced fee would have been &quot;generous&quot;.  

Tires are often made fairly well these days...it IS entirely possible to drive for a while on a damaged (not flat or blown) tire and not realize it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting story&#8230;(Mr Elliot&#8230;I TOTALLY love your column.  It&#8217;s taught me a LOT)&#8230;</p>
<p>I always have the rental car company inspect my car&#8230;if there&#8217;s something wrong they really need to state so then.   If she didn&#8217;t damage the tire then I&#8217;m a rather surprised that she&#8217;d settle.  The only thing I can figure is that perhaps when they showed her the documentation that she remembered where and when it could have taken place or what happened. (Perhaps they ran over a curb or maybe hit a road hazard something and didn&#8217;t think about it at the time because the car seemed to still be fine).  Thus the reduced fee would have been &#8220;generous&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Tires are often made fairly well these days&#8230;it IS entirely possible to drive for a while on a damaged (not flat or blown) tire and not realize it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hertz+Ford+Firestone=tread separation
If the renter had further information on the rental, resulting in the above equation, the issue wouldn&#039;t be renter caused tire damage.  It would be headlines, they tried to kill me in Scotland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_controversy

Too bad the flicker image didn&#039;t show the part number of the tire.  It looks like Chinese adhesive not holding the tread to the tire.

Here lies open trade
Between America and China
Killed by the 35% Tire Tariff
And cost is higher from Korea

RIP
Nobody was Faster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hertz+Ford+Firestone=tread separation<br />
If the renter had further information on the rental, resulting in the above equation, the issue wouldn&#8217;t be renter caused tire damage.  It would be headlines, they tried to kill me in Scotland.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_controversy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_controversy</a></p>
<p>Too bad the flicker image didn&#8217;t show the part number of the tire.  It looks like Chinese adhesive not holding the tread to the tire.</p>
<p>Here lies open trade<br />
Between America and China<br />
Killed by the 35% Tire Tariff<br />
And cost is higher from Korea</p>
<p>RIP<br />
Nobody was Faster</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christopher, thanks for the details.  I definitely did not read her letter that way to begin with - it came across to me (and, obviously, others in here) that she believed she didn&#039;t damage the tire at all.  But your explanation makes sense.  And I&#039;m VERY glad to hear that she is not just another victim of an unscrupulous rental car agency perpetrating this classic scam!  As an almost-victim myself, I&#039;m a wee bit senstive to stories about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christopher, thanks for the details.  I definitely did not read her letter that way to begin with &#8211; it came across to me (and, obviously, others in here) that she believed she didn&#8217;t damage the tire at all.  But your explanation makes sense.  And I&#8217;m VERY glad to hear that she is not just another victim of an unscrupulous rental car agency perpetrating this classic scam!  As an almost-victim myself, I&#8217;m a wee bit senstive to stories about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike, that&#039;s a photo from Flickr, as indicated at the bottom of the post.

@LeeAnne, appreciate your careful reading of this story and thoughtful comments.

&lt;blockquote&gt;To our surprise, we later found a $250 charge on our American Express for a damaged tire. But that didn’t make sense. If it had been damaged we wouldn’t have been able to drive the car back to the airport.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

She isn&#039;t saying that the tire wasn&#039;t damage. She&#039;s saying that if there was damage, it wasn&#039;t severe.

You really have to read this letter carefully. She invited the Hertz representative to inspect the car. Why would anyone ask the car rental company to inspect the car, under those circumstances?

Then she quickly agreed to split the difference with Hertz. Again, I believe this was a paperwork problem. I think the OP probably ran over something. At any rate, the resolution was presented to me, and she agreed to pay the reduced fee. So Hertz showed her something that satisfied her documentation needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike, that&#8217;s a photo from Flickr, as indicated at the bottom of the post.</p>
<p>@LeeAnne, appreciate your careful reading of this story and thoughtful comments.</p>
<blockquote><p>To our surprise, we later found a $250 charge on our American Express for a damaged tire. But that didn’t make sense. If it had been damaged we wouldn’t have been able to drive the car back to the airport.</p></blockquote>
<p>She isn&#8217;t saying that the tire wasn&#8217;t damage. She&#8217;s saying that if there was damage, it wasn&#8217;t severe.</p>
<p>You really have to read this letter carefully. She invited the Hertz representative to inspect the car. Why would anyone ask the car rental company to inspect the car, under those circumstances?</p>
<p>Then she quickly agreed to split the difference with Hertz. Again, I believe this was a paperwork problem. I think the OP probably ran over something. At any rate, the resolution was presented to me, and she agreed to pay the reduced fee. So Hertz showed her something that satisfied her documentation needs.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike, I&#039;m sure Christopher will answer your question, but in the meantime I wanted to say that I&#039;m quite sure that is NOT an actual photograph of the tire in question.  If you look at the history of his articles, the accompanying photos are almost invariably just stock images related to the topic, not photos of the actual people or objects involved.  (Excluding, of course, today&#039;s article about the shuttle launch, which by its very nature required an actual photo of the event.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike, I&#8217;m sure Christopher will answer your question, but in the meantime I wanted to say that I&#8217;m quite sure that is NOT an actual photograph of the tire in question.  If you look at the history of his articles, the accompanying photos are almost invariably just stock images related to the topic, not photos of the actual people or objects involved.  (Excluding, of course, today&#8217;s article about the shuttle launch, which by its very nature required an actual photo of the event.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher, is that an actual photo of what the agency sent to her or just a stock photo of a damaged tire? I only ask because I seriously doubt that she was able to do that to a tire unless she was doing doughnuts and burnouts in a parking lot the whole time she had the car. If that is the real photo, there is something wrong with the car, not just the tire and the problem with the car is what caused the damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher, is that an actual photo of what the agency sent to her or just a stock photo of a damaged tire? I only ask because I seriously doubt that she was able to do that to a tire unless she was doing doughnuts and burnouts in a parking lot the whole time she had the car. If that is the real photo, there is something wrong with the car, not just the tire and the problem with the car is what caused the damage.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christopher - not to belabor this, but the OP did actually indicate she did not believe she damaged the tire.  Her words exactly:

&quot;To our surprise, we later found a $250 charge on our American Express for a damaged tire. But that didn’t make sense. If it had been damaged we wouldn’t have been able to drive the car back to the airport.&quot;

And then she disputed the charge.

I don&#039;t see any way to interpret this other than she didn&#039;t believe she&#039;d damaged the tire.  But after reading your clarifications, it appears she did, in fact, damage the tire...and Hertz was able to provide adequate documentation to prove this.

So, that being the case, good job in getting Hertz to bring the charge for the damage back down to a reasonable level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christopher &#8211; not to belabor this, but the OP did actually indicate she did not believe she damaged the tire.  Her words exactly:</p>
<p>&#8220;To our surprise, we later found a $250 charge on our American Express for a damaged tire. But that didn’t make sense. If it had been damaged we wouldn’t have been able to drive the car back to the airport.&#8221;</p>
<p>And then she disputed the charge.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any way to interpret this other than she didn&#8217;t believe she&#8217;d damaged the tire.  But after reading your clarifications, it appears she did, in fact, damage the tire&#8230;and Hertz was able to provide adequate documentation to prove this.</p>
<p>So, that being the case, good job in getting Hertz to bring the charge for the damage back down to a reasonable level.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LeeAnne, thanks for the kind words. The OP didn&#039;t say that she didn&#039;t damage the tire. She said Hertz never offered adequate documentation. When that was provided, Hertz offered to reduce the amount of the claim. She then offered to pay, and contacted me to let me know what had happened. I hope this answers your question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LeeAnne, thanks for the kind words. The OP didn&#8217;t say that she didn&#8217;t damage the tire. She said Hertz never offered adequate documentation. When that was provided, Hertz offered to reduce the amount of the claim. She then offered to pay, and contacted me to let me know what had happened. I hope this answers your question.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christopher - (wish I could edit my comments, so I wouldn&#039;t have to double-post!) ;-)  I just want to make a couple things clear:  I am a big fan.  If I ever find myself in a travel-related bind with an intractable company trying to rip me off, you can bet you will be the first person I will turn to, after I&#039;ve exhausted my options in working with the company.  

That being said, you, like the rest of us, occasionally make mistakes.  So if I call attention to something that I believe is in error, please don&#039;t take it personally.

On this story, the bottom line is simply this:  DID she damage the tire, or didn&#039;t she?  It&#039;s a black and white issue.  If she did, she should pay for the damage.  If she didn&#039;t, she shouldn&#039;t.  Simple as that.

If Hertz provided evidence that she did, then she should pay.  If she has any question in her mind that she might have caused it, and Hertz provided documentation that she did, then she should pay.

But your article seems to indicate that she is dead certain she didn&#039;t.  And your article does not mention that Hertz provided any evidence whatsoever that she did.  Your statement at the end that they furnished &quot;additional documents&quot; gives us no indication what those documents are, and it definitely does not give the impression that these documents are any kind of evidence that she did the damage.

Rental car damage scams are legendary.  Just read the comments thread in any of the several articles you&#039;ve written on this topic.  Or do an internet search.  They happen frequently, and need to be stopped.  If this was not one of those scams, then it&#039;s really just a standard customer-damaged-car-and-doesn&#039;t-want-to-pay-for-it story.  If that&#039;s the case, then you definitely helped her by bringing the cost of the damage down to a more reasonable level (I would agree that $250 for a tire is a rip-off!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christopher &#8211; (wish I could edit my comments, so I wouldn&#8217;t have to double-post!) ;-)  I just want to make a couple things clear:  I am a big fan.  If I ever find myself in a travel-related bind with an intractable company trying to rip me off, you can bet you will be the first person I will turn to, after I&#8217;ve exhausted my options in working with the company.  </p>
<p>That being said, you, like the rest of us, occasionally make mistakes.  So if I call attention to something that I believe is in error, please don&#8217;t take it personally.</p>
<p>On this story, the bottom line is simply this:  DID she damage the tire, or didn&#8217;t she?  It&#8217;s a black and white issue.  If she did, she should pay for the damage.  If she didn&#8217;t, she shouldn&#8217;t.  Simple as that.</p>
<p>If Hertz provided evidence that she did, then she should pay.  If she has any question in her mind that she might have caused it, and Hertz provided documentation that she did, then she should pay.</p>
<p>But your article seems to indicate that she is dead certain she didn&#8217;t.  And your article does not mention that Hertz provided any evidence whatsoever that she did.  Your statement at the end that they furnished &#8220;additional documents&#8221; gives us no indication what those documents are, and it definitely does not give the impression that these documents are any kind of evidence that she did the damage.</p>
<p>Rental car damage scams are legendary.  Just read the comments thread in any of the several articles you&#8217;ve written on this topic.  Or do an internet search.  They happen frequently, and need to be stopped.  If this was not one of those scams, then it&#8217;s really just a standard customer-damaged-car-and-doesn&#8217;t-want-to-pay-for-it story.  If that&#8217;s the case, then you definitely helped her by bringing the cost of the damage down to a more reasonable level (I would agree that $250 for a tire is a rip-off!).</p>
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