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		<title>By: marihan</title>
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		<dc:creator>marihan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please Please do not get a ticket thru CHEAPOAIR.com...they are so rude and rip off with a cancellation fee...I have booked air tickets to Heathrow-London for $642 and within seven days I called them to cancel because  my family and me got so nervous for the Travel Alert to Europe and they were forcing me to pay upfront $150  in order to cancel if I do not agree to pay them the reservation still on and then I was going to lose all my money also I had been charged another $200 to Virgin Atlantic for cancellation fee...the total is $350 for a ticket of $642...I’m so disappointed...I still refusing to pay the $150 to them and also they will take between 8-12 weeks to refund the money...when they got my money right away ..I agree with Sabu I don’t ever recommend anybody to book through CheapOair.com...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please Please do not get a ticket thru CHEAPOAIR.com&#8230;they are so rude and rip off with a cancellation fee&#8230;I have booked air tickets to Heathrow-London for $642 and within seven days I called them to cancel because  my family and me got so nervous for the Travel Alert to Europe and they were forcing me to pay upfront $150  in order to cancel if I do not agree to pay them the reservation still on and then I was going to lose all my money also I had been charged another $200 to Virgin Atlantic for cancellation fee&#8230;the total is $350 for a ticket of $642&#8230;I’m so disappointed&#8230;I still refusing to pay the $150 to them and also they will take between 8-12 weeks to refund the money&#8230;when they got my money right away ..I agree with Sabu I don’t ever recommend anybody to book through CheapOair.com&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sabu</title>
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		<dc:creator>sabu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently booked a flight through CheapOair.com. After I made the reservation and received a confirmation, i cancelled the booking immediatelly. They said the tickets are 65% Off. They said after deduction $100.00 they will refund the rest. But it&#039;s been a week nothing happend. I been keep calling but the lady now says it will take upto 8 to 16 weeks, and that what their company policy. Please let me know if you guys know how to report this matter to concerned agencies. I don&#039;t ever recommened anybody to book through CheapOair.com. They advertise Get The WOW Experience! Book on CheapOair.Save Upto 65%+Get $15 Off. But you will be regreted ever</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently booked a flight through CheapOair.com. After I made the reservation and received a confirmation, i cancelled the booking immediatelly. They said the tickets are 65% Off. They said after deduction $100.00 they will refund the rest. But it&#8217;s been a week nothing happend. I been keep calling but the lady now says it will take upto 8 to 16 weeks, and that what their company policy. Please let me know if you guys know how to report this matter to concerned agencies. I don&#8217;t ever recommened anybody to book through CheapOair.com. They advertise Get The WOW Experience! Book on CheapOair.Save Upto 65%+Get $15 Off. But you will be regreted ever</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-troubleshooter/a-canceled-flight-so-wheres-my-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-32810</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a similar experienc about nine months agoe.  We booked a flight to Cpenhagen  through Hotwire.  The final leg of our trip home, Boston to Albany NY was cancelled by US Air.  

The gate folks said they couldn&#039;t give us a refund then and there becasue the ticket was held by Iceland Air.  Iceland Air would not talk to us because were were not the &quot;agent.&quot;

Hotwire at first said it was not their problem and we should talk to Iceland.  After telling Hotwire what Iceland said, and advising them we wanted them to act like our agent, Hot wire claims to have talked to Iceland and arranged a refund.

After the four weeks, when Hotwire claims the refund would be posted we called Hotwire again,  For the nature of the discussion, see paragraph above.  The only difference this time was that we were to wait 8 weeks for the post of the refund.

The refund should have been posted by late August or September.  NOTHING.

Any advice would be appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a similar experienc about nine months agoe.  We booked a flight to Cpenhagen  through Hotwire.  The final leg of our trip home, Boston to Albany NY was cancelled by US Air.  </p>
<p>The gate folks said they couldn&#8217;t give us a refund then and there becasue the ticket was held by Iceland Air.  Iceland Air would not talk to us because were were not the &#8220;agent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hotwire at first said it was not their problem and we should talk to Iceland.  After telling Hotwire what Iceland said, and advising them we wanted them to act like our agent, Hot wire claims to have talked to Iceland and arranged a refund.</p>
<p>After the four weeks, when Hotwire claims the refund would be posted we called Hotwire again,  For the nature of the discussion, see paragraph above.  The only difference this time was that we were to wait 8 weeks for the post of the refund.</p>
<p>The refund should have been posted by late August or September.  NOTHING.</p>
<p>Any advice would be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: HK</title>
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		<dc:creator>HK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a similar case recently. My daughter booked tickets from Ho Chi Min to Cebu to Manila to Honolulu to Kahului thru Expedia. Due to sickness she had to cancel portion of her tickets via Philippine Airlines. Took 6 months to get the refund from Philippine Airlines! Not a total refund , but most of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar case recently. My daughter booked tickets from Ho Chi Min to Cebu to Manila to Honolulu to Kahului thru Expedia. Due to sickness she had to cancel portion of her tickets via Philippine Airlines. Took 6 months to get the refund from Philippine Airlines! Not a total refund , but most of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Carver and Julie. The payent was made with Expedia and if a flight was cancelled before its scheduled time, then Expedia should issue an immediate refund. It is none of our business how the airline was paid, how much they were paid, or anything else. That is their business and as such they should offer a redund as soon as requested, to the same card f possible, or another credit card in the same name. (I liked the analogy about WalMart and the television... perfect) Sonny, I would NEVER call to get an airline to merely give me a credit for something they cancelled and could not deliver. Refundable ticket or not, if the flight is cancelled, the &quot;contract&quot; you entered into with them is broken and you deserve your refund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Carver and Julie. The payent was made with Expedia and if a flight was cancelled before its scheduled time, then Expedia should issue an immediate refund. It is none of our business how the airline was paid, how much they were paid, or anything else. That is their business and as such they should offer a redund as soon as requested, to the same card f possible, or another credit card in the same name. (I liked the analogy about WalMart and the television&#8230; perfect) Sonny, I would NEVER call to get an airline to merely give me a credit for something they cancelled and could not deliver. Refundable ticket or not, if the flight is cancelled, the &#8220;contract&#8221; you entered into with them is broken and you deserve your refund.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sonny

I completely agree with Carver. When I use a travel agent, even an online one, 
I expect that that company becomes basically my spokesperson for that trip. That is the service for which I am paying. If something goes awry, I call them and they handle it.  If I wanted to have to fix any and all problems myself, I would&#039;ve made each individual reservation (which, some have pointed out, is sometimes the way to go).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sonny</p>
<p>I completely agree with Carver. When I use a travel agent, even an online one,<br />
I expect that that company becomes basically my spokesperson for that trip. That is the service for which I am paying. If something goes awry, I call them and they handle it.  If I wanted to have to fix any and all problems myself, I would&#8217;ve made each individual reservation (which, some have pointed out, is sometimes the way to go).</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sonny

I would be curious to understand your reasoning.  The customer paid Expedia.  The customer should only have to deal with Expedia since Expedia is the one that took the customer&#039;s money. Otherwise what value is Expedia providing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sonny</p>
<p>I would be curious to understand your reasoning.  The customer paid Expedia.  The customer should only have to deal with Expedia since Expedia is the one that took the customer&#8217;s money. Otherwise what value is Expedia providing?</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart Sheinfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stewart Sheinfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not having the same credit card does not necessarily mean the customer cancelled the card His CC number could have been compromised and the issuing company cancels and issues a new card whether you like it or not so don&#039;t blame the poster for that Expedia has to find a way to make alegitimate refund promptly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not having the same credit card does not necessarily mean the customer cancelled the card His CC number could have been compromised and the issuing company cancels and issues a new card whether you like it or not so don&#8217;t blame the poster for that Expedia has to find a way to make alegitimate refund promptly</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classic Christopher Elliott story.  Big bad travel company screwing over the little guy.  Chris swoops in like the superhero he is.  Company realizes they&#039;d better do the right thing, or they&#039;re bad behavior is about to be revealed to the world in a very public way.  Company, not wanting to look bad (even though they ARE), quickly executes an about-face and does what they should have done to begin with.  Little guy gets his money back. Chris writes a column.  All is right with the world.

Just another day on the Elliott blog. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classic Christopher Elliott story.  Big bad travel company screwing over the little guy.  Chris swoops in like the superhero he is.  Company realizes they&#8217;d better do the right thing, or they&#8217;re bad behavior is about to be revealed to the world in a very public way.  Company, not wanting to look bad (even though they ARE), quickly executes an about-face and does what they should have done to begin with.  Little guy gets his money back. Chris writes a column.  All is right with the world.</p>
<p>Just another day on the Elliott blog. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure you know this Chris, but the reason for the &quot;issue credit card refunds only to the credit card charged&quot; is to prevent fraud. There are several ways this can occur:

a) A thief steals a credit card, charges a refundable ticket, calls to cancel, and has the refund issued as a bank transfer, check, whatever. By the time the original theft and charge is noticed, he can be long gone with the moeny.

b) Someone charges a refundable ticket to a credit card legitimately, cancels, and has the refund sent in another form. Later, he begins a credit dispute with the credit card company, which could side with him if the airline can&#039;t prove that the cardholder got the money.

and so on.

There are ways around the problem, when you no longer have the credit card, but that almost always requires escalation to verify that it&#039;s not a fraud issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you know this Chris, but the reason for the &#8220;issue credit card refunds only to the credit card charged&#8221; is to prevent fraud. There are several ways this can occur:</p>
<p>a) A thief steals a credit card, charges a refundable ticket, calls to cancel, and has the refund issued as a bank transfer, check, whatever. By the time the original theft and charge is noticed, he can be long gone with the moeny.</p>
<p>b) Someone charges a refundable ticket to a credit card legitimately, cancels, and has the refund sent in another form. Later, he begins a credit dispute with the credit card company, which could side with him if the airline can&#8217;t prove that the cardholder got the money.</p>
<p>and so on.</p>
<p>There are ways around the problem, when you no longer have the credit card, but that almost always requires escalation to verify that it&#8217;s not a fraud issue.</p>
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		<title>By: sonny chatrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonny chatrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello!

I believe the client should have contacted Continental, and not Expedia, because the flight did not leave as scheduled. The client would have got a voucher from them by now if he had contacted the airline&#039;s customer service department. Expedia did the right thing by issuing a refund, but I would have sent the client to the airline. You were absolutely correct about the funds being with the carrier, but one of the rules of every airfare is that partially used tickets are non-refundable. The other question would have been, was the flight canceled due to bad weather? If that was the case, then the airline would have been responsible for getting the client back on another carrier. Can you clarify what exactly happened there?

Sincerely

Sonny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello!</p>
<p>I believe the client should have contacted Continental, and not Expedia, because the flight did not leave as scheduled. The client would have got a voucher from them by now if he had contacted the airline&#8217;s customer service department. Expedia did the right thing by issuing a refund, but I would have sent the client to the airline. You were absolutely correct about the funds being with the carrier, but one of the rules of every airfare is that partially used tickets are non-refundable. The other question would have been, was the flight canceled due to bad weather? If that was the case, then the airline would have been responsible for getting the client back on another carrier. Can you clarify what exactly happened there?</p>
<p>Sincerely</p>
<p>Sonny</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.....Nice work....But I think you have to realize by now Chris, none of this would happen without your involvement.  They figure people will eventually just SHUT UP and go away.  Even if they succeed only 10 percent of the time, that&#039;s quite a revenue booster.  Lets say they have 100 million dollars in sales a year and 10 percent of all sales run into issues that may require some sort of alteration or a refund.  So that&#039;s 10 million dollars.  If 10 percent of those people don&#039;t bother because of red tape, a Cool Million stays in their pocket. No a bad take for playing hard ball.  Sad it&#039;s come to this.  Better off 

A) Booking direct with the airlines and hotel yourself. Forget these online sites.  Otherwise, use a face to face travel agent.

B) Never I repeat NEVER cancel your credit card that made payment UNTIL after all travel has been completed.  

C) Should a place refuse to refund, B is important and A is just as crucial.  If you book direct with airline or hotel, getting a refund or a dispute is by far easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..Nice work&#8230;.But I think you have to realize by now Chris, none of this would happen without your involvement.  They figure people will eventually just SHUT UP and go away.  Even if they succeed only 10 percent of the time, that&#8217;s quite a revenue booster.  Lets say they have 100 million dollars in sales a year and 10 percent of all sales run into issues that may require some sort of alteration or a refund.  So that&#8217;s 10 million dollars.  If 10 percent of those people don&#8217;t bother because of red tape, a Cool Million stays in their pocket. No a bad take for playing hard ball.  Sad it&#8217;s come to this.  Better off </p>
<p>A) Booking direct with the airlines and hotel yourself. Forget these online sites.  Otherwise, use a face to face travel agent.</p>
<p>B) Never I repeat NEVER cancel your credit card that made payment UNTIL after all travel has been completed.  </p>
<p>C) Should a place refuse to refund, B is important and A is just as crucial.  If you book direct with airline or hotel, getting a refund or a dispute is by far easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Weihman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Weihman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I&#039;ve seen this excuse used numerous times by the various travel websites, and it&#039;s just that - an excuse.  How Expedia pays for or gets refunded by their suppliers is beside the point.  They need to honor the refund using the same expediency as they took the money.

Think of a purchase at Wal-Mart.  You buy a TV and it doesn&#039;t work, so you take it back to Wal-Mart for a refund.  Do you have to wait until Samsung refunds the money back to Wal-Mart before you get your money back?  Would you accept that from Wal-Mart?  If not, then why accept it from Expedia.  How they handle their monetary transactions with their vendors is their problem, and we shouldn&#039;t be held hostage because they don&#039;t want to do business the right way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I&#8217;ve seen this excuse used numerous times by the various travel websites, and it&#8217;s just that &#8211; an excuse.  How Expedia pays for or gets refunded by their suppliers is beside the point.  They need to honor the refund using the same expediency as they took the money.</p>
<p>Think of a purchase at Wal-Mart.  You buy a TV and it doesn&#8217;t work, so you take it back to Wal-Mart for a refund.  Do you have to wait until Samsung refunds the money back to Wal-Mart before you get your money back?  Would you accept that from Wal-Mart?  If not, then why accept it from Expedia.  How they handle their monetary transactions with their vendors is their problem, and we shouldn&#8217;t be held hostage because they don&#8217;t want to do business the right way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next time, book directly with the airlinem not with an e-travel agency. To me, Expedia, Orbitz, Travelocity and the rest of the internet vultures provide little or no benefit to their customers and when a complication like a cancelled flight or schedule change occurs, they are often an impedimement to resolving the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next time, book directly with the airlinem not with an e-travel agency. To me, Expedia, Orbitz, Travelocity and the rest of the internet vultures provide little or no benefit to their customers and when a complication like a cancelled flight or schedule change occurs, they are often an impedimement to resolving the situation.</p>
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