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	<title>Comments on: Should the travel industry end its war on smokers?</title>
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		<title>By: RCP</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/should-the-travel-industry-end-its-war-on-smokers/comment-page-1/#comment-21410</link>
		<dc:creator>RCP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will cost me more in manpower, cleaning supplies, and non-smoker refunds than it will in room revenue if I refuse a hotel room to someone who smokes in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will cost me more in manpower, cleaning supplies, and non-smoker refunds than it will in room revenue if I refuse a hotel room to someone who smokes in it.</p>
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		<title>By: ingrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a smoker.  I am addicted  to a legal substance on which I pay taxes to the max.  If everyone who is so self-righteous on this site spent time making this substance illegal, then we would have no problem (just a black-market).  While many Americans are in a huff about smoke and the disgusting smell, it is also good to remember that we sell this stuff internationally and make a huge profit off of 3rd worlders who also stay in your hotels (maybe not much longer).  The hypocrisy of it all is disgusting.  Soldiers shouldn&#039;t smoke in combat? Hello???
They are being killed by bullets so what is the problem with a cigarette???   Get a grip--look around at the homeless on the beaches of Hawaii and the grinding poverty in so many tourist spots and get upset about that and put your money where your dollar will count.  If you don&#039;t tolerate smokers, then stay at home and out of bars and hotels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a smoker.  I am addicted  to a legal substance on which I pay taxes to the max.  If everyone who is so self-righteous on this site spent time making this substance illegal, then we would have no problem (just a black-market).  While many Americans are in a huff about smoke and the disgusting smell, it is also good to remember that we sell this stuff internationally and make a huge profit off of 3rd worlders who also stay in your hotels (maybe not much longer).  The hypocrisy of it all is disgusting.  Soldiers shouldn&#8217;t smoke in combat? Hello???<br />
They are being killed by bullets so what is the problem with a cigarette???   Get a grip&#8211;look around at the homeless on the beaches of Hawaii and the grinding poverty in so many tourist spots and get upset about that and put your money where your dollar will count.  If you don&#8217;t tolerate smokers, then stay at home and out of bars and hotels.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/should-the-travel-industry-end-its-war-on-smokers/comment-page-1/#comment-21372</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joe

I suspect that there are two reasons why balcony smoking isn&#039;t permitted.

1.  If you fail to close your balcony door suffciently, your smoke may enter the room, rendering useless for the next person who expects a non-smoking room.

2.  If you are smoking on your balcony, other guests who are on their balcony or who have their balconies&#039; open may have to deal with your smoke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe</p>
<p>I suspect that there are two reasons why balcony smoking isn&#8217;t permitted.</p>
<p>1.  If you fail to close your balcony door suffciently, your smoke may enter the room, rendering useless for the next person who expects a non-smoking room.</p>
<p>2.  If you are smoking on your balcony, other guests who are on their balcony or who have their balconies&#8217; open may have to deal with your smoke.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand bans in restaurants, bars, workplaces. 
I think two places it has gone too far are hotels and airports. 

First with airports,  its a nightmare to (especially on a connecting flight) to have to go out past security and back in. Only a handful of airports (Atlanta for one) still provide smoking areas inside security. Is it too difficult to build an outside area at these locations? Sure it may be loud, but there is nothing worse checking in, waiting for your flight without the option of going to smoke. Go outside? Well if your up for the mile long walk and tram ride at airports like Las Vegas, Orlando or Dallas, i&#039;d rather suffer. 

Hotels are understandable, but seriously all these non-smoking hotels drive me out. If I cannot smoke in the room, I&#039;m not staying there. Its pretty simple: Book a non-smoking room if you want one and make that floor non-smoking. I highly doubt people smell cigarette smoke on the next floor up. I especially despise Marriott and Disney&#039;s &quot;No smoking on the Balcony&quot; rule, which is outright ridiculous. It&#039;s an OUTSIDE area. If you cannot smoke OUTSIDE of your room, why go down 10 flights to smoke outside!?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand bans in restaurants, bars, workplaces.<br />
I think two places it has gone too far are hotels and airports. </p>
<p>First with airports,  its a nightmare to (especially on a connecting flight) to have to go out past security and back in. Only a handful of airports (Atlanta for one) still provide smoking areas inside security. Is it too difficult to build an outside area at these locations? Sure it may be loud, but there is nothing worse checking in, waiting for your flight without the option of going to smoke. Go outside? Well if your up for the mile long walk and tram ride at airports like Las Vegas, Orlando or Dallas, i&#8217;d rather suffer. </p>
<p>Hotels are understandable, but seriously all these non-smoking hotels drive me out. If I cannot smoke in the room, I&#8217;m not staying there. Its pretty simple: Book a non-smoking room if you want one and make that floor non-smoking. I highly doubt people smell cigarette smoke on the next floor up. I especially despise Marriott and Disney&#8217;s &#8220;No smoking on the Balcony&#8221; rule, which is outright ridiculous. It&#8217;s an OUTSIDE area. If you cannot smoke OUTSIDE of your room, why go down 10 flights to smoke outside!?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Bela Fleck</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/should-the-travel-industry-end-its-war-on-smokers/comment-page-1/#comment-21086</link>
		<dc:creator>Bela Fleck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, cruise ships aren&#039;t going to ban smoking because it&#039;s far more profitable to allow it.  Their alcohol and gambling revenue drops when they ban smoking.  Frankly, I think the ships that leave from U.S. ports do a good job of containing the smoke - although some better than others.

The one thing I notice most folks don&#039;t pay any attention to when they say smoking should absolutely be allowed in bars since bar patrons don&#039;t care about what they put into their bodies anyway is what about the people who work in bars?  Okay...a lot of folks who work as bartenders and waiters tend to smoke, but I&#039;m guessing there are fewer of them than there used to be.  And what about the live musicians?  This really concerns me since I am one of them.  I have never smoked a cigarette - not even to try one as a teenager.  My parents smoked when I was a kid and I&#039;ve always felt they&#039;re gross and disgusting.  But I have a Hobson&#039;s choice:  make money as a musician by going into smoky bars and subjecting myself every night to smelly, stinky smoke that makes me sick to my stomach (and wait for the lung cancer or heart disease to strike someday); or try to make a living doing something else I don&#039;t care to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, cruise ships aren&#8217;t going to ban smoking because it&#8217;s far more profitable to allow it.  Their alcohol and gambling revenue drops when they ban smoking.  Frankly, I think the ships that leave from U.S. ports do a good job of containing the smoke &#8211; although some better than others.</p>
<p>The one thing I notice most folks don&#8217;t pay any attention to when they say smoking should absolutely be allowed in bars since bar patrons don&#8217;t care about what they put into their bodies anyway is what about the people who work in bars?  Okay&#8230;a lot of folks who work as bartenders and waiters tend to smoke, but I&#8217;m guessing there are fewer of them than there used to be.  And what about the live musicians?  This really concerns me since I am one of them.  I have never smoked a cigarette &#8211; not even to try one as a teenager.  My parents smoked when I was a kid and I&#8217;ve always felt they&#8217;re gross and disgusting.  But I have a Hobson&#8217;s choice:  make money as a musician by going into smoky bars and subjecting myself every night to smelly, stinky smoke that makes me sick to my stomach (and wait for the lung cancer or heart disease to strike someday); or try to make a living doing something else I don&#8217;t care to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Clay -- You have an interesting point, but two wrongs don&#039;t make a right. Smokers are also breathing in particulate matter and air pollution, by the way. 

If I had my way, I&#039;d live in a smoke-free apartment building.  I&#039;m sick of cigarette smell wafting into my apartment. Unfortunately, such buildings don&#039;t exist in my area because no one wants to discriminate against others or tell them what they can or can&#039;t do in their own home.  of not wanting to discriminate against others that means I have to deal with mess until I can afford to buy.

I don&#039;t think all apartment buildings should be smoke-free (that would be discriminatory), but I do think I should have the option of choosing to live in a smoke-free building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Clay &#8212; You have an interesting point, but two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right. Smokers are also breathing in particulate matter and air pollution, by the way. </p>
<p>If I had my way, I&#8217;d live in a smoke-free apartment building.  I&#8217;m sick of cigarette smell wafting into my apartment. Unfortunately, such buildings don&#8217;t exist in my area because no one wants to discriminate against others or tell them what they can or can&#8217;t do in their own home.  of not wanting to discriminate against others that means I have to deal with mess until I can afford to buy.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think all apartment buildings should be smoke-free (that would be discriminatory), but I do think I should have the option of choosing to live in a smoke-free building.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer (the other one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer (the other one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a smoker, and I don&#039;t understand why anyone would want to be.  However, after living for years in a country where smoking in public places is still the norm, it doesn&#039;t bother me.  If hotels, cruise ships, restaurants, etc. want to ban smoking outright because that&#039;s more profitable, then fine - private companies can operate their businesses however they want.  However, forcing them by law to do so seems to me to be going a step too far.  The only argument to be made for it is the public healthcare cost of smoking-related illnesses, and the more logical solution would be for the government to simply stop paying for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a smoker, and I don&#8217;t understand why anyone would want to be.  However, after living for years in a country where smoking in public places is still the norm, it doesn&#8217;t bother me.  If hotels, cruise ships, restaurants, etc. want to ban smoking outright because that&#8217;s more profitable, then fine &#8211; private companies can operate their businesses however they want.  However, forcing them by law to do so seems to me to be going a step too far.  The only argument to be made for it is the public healthcare cost of smoking-related illnesses, and the more logical solution would be for the government to simply stop paying for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple points,

I have to disagree with the notion that smokers are the majority in bars.  Simply not true.  It just appears (or appeared) that way because it only takes a few cigarettes to completely pollute a room.

I also think there is a trend in adult smoking patterns.  In states that have banned public smoking the longest, the percentage of adults who smoke dropped significantly.

Finally, its been well discussed in the media that smoking has increasingly become the purview of the poorer, less educated segment of the popuation.  Whenever tax increases on tobacco are proposed, there are always loud complaints that such tax increases unfairly tax the poor and disadvantaged since they are more likely to smoke.

Since poor and less educated people are less likely to travel, the travel industry is more likely to be made up of nonsmoking customers.  In other words, even if  1/4 of the adult population really does still smoke, a significant segment of that 1/4 are not on planes, in hotels/restaurants, or renting cars.  They just can&#039;t afford it.  Most of their disposable income goes toward buying more cigarettes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple points,</p>
<p>I have to disagree with the notion that smokers are the majority in bars.  Simply not true.  It just appears (or appeared) that way because it only takes a few cigarettes to completely pollute a room.</p>
<p>I also think there is a trend in adult smoking patterns.  In states that have banned public smoking the longest, the percentage of adults who smoke dropped significantly.</p>
<p>Finally, its been well discussed in the media that smoking has increasingly become the purview of the poorer, less educated segment of the popuation.  Whenever tax increases on tobacco are proposed, there are always loud complaints that such tax increases unfairly tax the poor and disadvantaged since they are more likely to smoke.</p>
<p>Since poor and less educated people are less likely to travel, the travel industry is more likely to be made up of nonsmoking customers.  In other words, even if  1/4 of the adult population really does still smoke, a significant segment of that 1/4 are not on planes, in hotels/restaurants, or renting cars.  They just can&#8217;t afford it.  Most of their disposable income goes toward buying more cigarettes.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kevin

No one suggests that most smokers don&#039;t understand the smell and other consequences of smoking.  Calling people idiots hardly advances the conversation.  The reason for banning smoking in bars isn&#039;t about customers but rather the employees, many of which are women, and their health. 

But in any event, we are mixing issues. One is the business decision of hotels banning hotels compared with the law banning smoking in a given place.  With regards to the business decision, since I neither own a hotel, nor other travel enterprise, I will defer to the wisdom of the owners of those businesses.  I don&#039;t think that I am in a position to second guess their business decision

By the same token, here in California the legislature banned smoking in bars.  At that point, any analysis of majority or minority customers is irrelevant.  Its the law, follow it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin</p>
<p>No one suggests that most smokers don&#8217;t understand the smell and other consequences of smoking.  Calling people idiots hardly advances the conversation.  The reason for banning smoking in bars isn&#8217;t about customers but rather the employees, many of which are women, and their health. </p>
<p>But in any event, we are mixing issues. One is the business decision of hotels banning hotels compared with the law banning smoking in a given place.  With regards to the business decision, since I neither own a hotel, nor other travel enterprise, I will defer to the wisdom of the owners of those businesses.  I don&#8217;t think that I am in a position to second guess their business decision</p>
<p>By the same token, here in California the legislature banned smoking in bars.  At that point, any analysis of majority or minority customers is irrelevant.  Its the law, follow it.</p>
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		<title>By: Travel-Writers-Exchange.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travel-Writers-Exchange.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article on smoking and traveling.  I guess I never thought about the impact that &quot;smoking laws&quot; would have on travel and travelers.  I think there could be accommodations for smokers.  Hotels and resorts make accommodations for other people, why not smokers?

Yes, smoking and smokers are becoming somewhat &quot;extinct&quot; but a person has the right to smoke.  We tried to get rid of alcohol back in the Roaring 20s and that didn&#039;t work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article on smoking and traveling.  I guess I never thought about the impact that &#8220;smoking laws&#8221; would have on travel and travelers.  I think there could be accommodations for smokers.  Hotels and resorts make accommodations for other people, why not smokers?</p>
<p>Yes, smoking and smokers are becoming somewhat &#8220;extinct&#8221; but a person has the right to smoke.  We tried to get rid of alcohol back in the Roaring 20s and that didn&#8217;t work!</p>
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