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		<title>By: Best of the Web – Roaming Tales: Travel links for 14 September &#124; Standby London Air Flights</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/how-the-travel-industry-can-win-you-back/comment-page-1/#comment-24635</link>
		<dc:creator>Best of the Web – Roaming Tales: Travel links for 14 September &#124; Standby London Air Flights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hospitality. Christopher Elliott on Elliott.org asks whether the travel industry has forgotten that it&#8217;s in the hospitality business and offers suggestions on how it can win back consumers. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hospitality. Christopher Elliott on Elliott.org asks whether the travel industry has forgotten that it&#8217;s in the hospitality business and offers suggestions on how it can win back consumers. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MarkVII</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/how-the-travel-industry-can-win-you-back/comment-page-1/#comment-24498</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkVII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get tired of when dealing with the travel business (especially the airlines), is not only the sense that they&#039;re playing an enormous game of bureaucratic &quot;gotcha&quot;, but refusing to deliver even a modicum of elementary customer service.  How many articles do you read on Travel Troubleshooter where the airline, motel, cruise line, etc. made a mistake, is plainly in the wrong, and refused to do anything about it.

Consider the Byzantine fair structures practiced by the airlines, immortalized in this old bit entitled &quot;If the airlines sold paint.&quot;  http://www.netjeff.com/humor/item.cgi?file=airlinepaint.txt.  Add to that the various fees that get tacked on, and I end up feeling nickled and dimed (more line ten and twenty dollared) to death.

Add to that, the airlines are the only business where I have to pay the full price of the services in question in advance (possibly months in advance), with no guarantee that the services will actually be properly rendered, and not effective recourse if the services are not properly delivered.

It&#039;s no wonder air traffic is declining, and I&#039;m part of the reason.  I haven&#039;t flown in almost two years, now preferring to drive.  Another benefit of driving is I don&#039;t have to deal with the TSA, but that&#039;s another story....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I get tired of when dealing with the travel business (especially the airlines), is not only the sense that they&#8217;re playing an enormous game of bureaucratic &#8220;gotcha&#8221;, but refusing to deliver even a modicum of elementary customer service.  How many articles do you read on Travel Troubleshooter where the airline, motel, cruise line, etc. made a mistake, is plainly in the wrong, and refused to do anything about it.</p>
<p>Consider the Byzantine fair structures practiced by the airlines, immortalized in this old bit entitled &#8220;If the airlines sold paint.&#8221;  <a href="http://www.netjeff.com/humor/item.cgi?file=airlinepaint.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.netjeff.com/humor/item.cgi?file=airlinepaint.txt</a>.  Add to that the various fees that get tacked on, and I end up feeling nickled and dimed (more line ten and twenty dollared) to death.</p>
<p>Add to that, the airlines are the only business where I have to pay the full price of the services in question in advance (possibly months in advance), with no guarantee that the services will actually be properly rendered, and not effective recourse if the services are not properly delivered.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder air traffic is declining, and I&#8217;m part of the reason.  I haven&#8217;t flown in almost two years, now preferring to drive.  Another benefit of driving is I don&#8217;t have to deal with the TSA, but that&#8217;s another story&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Travel News and Stories for 09/14/2009 : Kathika Travel Website</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/how-the-travel-industry-can-win-you-back/comment-page-1/#comment-24255</link>
		<dc:creator>Travel News and Stories for 09/14/2009 : Kathika Travel Website</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How the travel industry can win you back But before you say &#8220;yes,&#8221; listen to Laura Salisbury, a teacher from San Jose, Calif. She mistakenly typed the wrong return date when she booked a vacation for her and her mother through Expedia. http://www.elliott.org [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] How the travel industry can win you back But before you say &ldquo;yes,&rdquo; listen to Laura Salisbury, a teacher from San Jose, Calif. She mistakenly typed the wrong return date when she booked a vacation for her and her mother through Expedia. <a href="http://www.elliott.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.elliott.org</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good points Chris. The problem with name changes is that, in the past, unscrupulous agencies would book all the cheap seats for popular travel dates with fictitious names as soon as an Airline released a special fare. They could then sit on them till closer till the travel date and re-sell them at a huge profit even allowing for any name change fee. That&#039;s one of the reasons why airlines toughened up on the name change rules. So pax with genuine reasons to change are penalised by the actions of an unethical few. Actually now that I think about it, it&#039;s the same as big event &#039;ticket scalping&#039; and if it was allowed then anyone with a credit card and an internet connection could do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good points Chris. The problem with name changes is that, in the past, unscrupulous agencies would book all the cheap seats for popular travel dates with fictitious names as soon as an Airline released a special fare. They could then sit on them till closer till the travel date and re-sell them at a huge profit even allowing for any name change fee. That&#8217;s one of the reasons why airlines toughened up on the name change rules. So pax with genuine reasons to change are penalised by the actions of an unethical few. Actually now that I think about it, it&#8217;s the same as big event &#8216;ticket scalping&#8217; and if it was allowed then anyone with a credit card and an internet connection could do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Best of the Web &#8211; Roaming Tales: Travel links for 14 September &#124; Roaming Tales</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/how-the-travel-industry-can-win-you-back/comment-page-1/#comment-24164</link>
		<dc:creator>Best of the Web &#8211; Roaming Tales: Travel links for 14 September &#124; Roaming Tales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hospitality. Christopher Elliott on Elliott.org asks whether the travel industry has forgotten that it&#8217;s in the hospitality business and offers suggestions on how it can win back consumers. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gregory Ferenstein</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/how-the-travel-industry-can-win-you-back/comment-page-1/#comment-24149</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Ferenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post! Airlines definitely need to step up their game in a recession. I think free wifi would give them a competitive edge (which I just wrote about in Fastcompany). 

http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/gregory-ferenstein/fastminds/4-ways-airlines-could-make-flight-wifi-free</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post! Airlines definitely need to step up their game in a recession. I think free wifi would give them a competitive edge (which I just wrote about in Fastcompany). </p>
<p><a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/gregory-ferenstein/fastminds/4-ways-airlines-could-make-flight-wifi-free" rel="nofollow">http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/gregory-ferenstein/fastminds/4-ways-airlines-could-make-flight-wifi-free</a></p>
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		<title>By: J.C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we want better service we might have to pay for it.  Fares have dropped 30-40% (depending on who you ask) since dergulation (in inflation adjusted dollars) yet costs have not dropped at the same rate.  On one hand competition is good, it made the airlines compete on fares and give more of what the consumers want.  On the other hand, at some point you have to pay the bills.  We as consumers seem to have forgotten that you still do get what you pay for.  If people really wanted good customer service they would be willing to pay for it.  What people really want is cheap airfares (and toys and electronics and cars and pretty much everything else).  Until that changes customer service will not improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we want better service we might have to pay for it.  Fares have dropped 30-40% (depending on who you ask) since dergulation (in inflation adjusted dollars) yet costs have not dropped at the same rate.  On one hand competition is good, it made the airlines compete on fares and give more of what the consumers want.  On the other hand, at some point you have to pay the bills.  We as consumers seem to have forgotten that you still do get what you pay for.  If people really wanted good customer service they would be willing to pay for it.  What people really want is cheap airfares (and toys and electronics and cars and pretty much everything else).  Until that changes customer service will not improve.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver Farrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver Farrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay and Graham

I own my own company. I charge people what I believe is fair and ethical.  The problem is that many of us consider the fees that the airlines in particular charge to be unethical.</description>
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<p>I own my own company. I charge people what I believe is fair and ethical.  The problem is that many of us consider the fees that the airlines in particular charge to be unethical.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the reason they aren&#039;t more flexible is that this is part of their business model for making money.  If they don&#039;t allow changes (or collect fees for them), a certain number of tickets go unused and in theory they are able to fill those seats and get paid twice. (Is there a way to get industry on how much they make on fees/unused tickets?)

If the airlines would play nice, would we fly more?  Would we be willing to pay more per ticket?  Or would you be like so many people who fly Ryan Air, willing to put up with fees for everything and stripped down service in exchange for a cheap up front cost.

As a traveler, I want them to change!  I&#039;m just not very optimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the reason they aren&#8217;t more flexible is that this is part of their business model for making money.  If they don&#8217;t allow changes (or collect fees for them), a certain number of tickets go unused and in theory they are able to fill those seats and get paid twice. (Is there a way to get industry on how much they make on fees/unused tickets?)</p>
<p>If the airlines would play nice, would we fly more?  Would we be willing to pay more per ticket?  Or would you be like so many people who fly Ryan Air, willing to put up with fees for everything and stripped down service in exchange for a cheap up front cost.</p>
<p>As a traveler, I want them to change!  I&#8217;m just not very optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jay has a really good point, and to take it further its the attitude the customer has as well. I know, everyone should be treated equal and technically they are, the fees are well documented in the terms and conditions and everyone is subject to them, but for those like Jay that phone up with a great genuine attitude people are willing to do more and go further.

Myself, I have been on the phone from home outside work hours trying to help someone get fees waived that made an actual mistake, but would I do that for someone screaming down the phone at me? Probably not, and not many would. People should try to keep this in mind, not just with travel but with anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jay has a really good point, and to take it further its the attitude the customer has as well. I know, everyone should be treated equal and technically they are, the fees are well documented in the terms and conditions and everyone is subject to them, but for those like Jay that phone up with a great genuine attitude people are willing to do more and go further.</p>
<p>Myself, I have been on the phone from home outside work hours trying to help someone get fees waived that made an actual mistake, but would I do that for someone screaming down the phone at me? Probably not, and not many would. People should try to keep this in mind, not just with travel but with anything.</p>
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