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	<title>Comments on: All aboard: 5 tips for getting on the plane pronto</title>
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		<title>By: Sarah Cool</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/all-aboard-5-tips-for-getting-on-the-plane-pronto/comment-page-1/#comment-13149</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a extremely frequent flyer (4-6 flights per week), I much appreciate boarding first.  If I flew once every 6 months, waiting in line for 15 minutes to board wouldn&#039;t bother me in the slightest.  When you multiply those 15 minutes by 6 flights a week -  boarding first is very much appreciated.  And the reason for it?  The thousands and thousands of dollars I give to the airline every month.  It&#039;s not an elitest status thing.  It&#039;s rewarding loyal and frequent customers with a slightly smaller level of stress.  The airline industry is a business, and businesses across the world reward their best customers.  

Also - casual flyers aren&#039;t the only victims of the &quot;I&#039;m the most important person on this plane&quot; mentality.  And it sure doesn&#039;t only come from frequent flyers.  After spending most of my time during the past year on flights and in airports, I can say that inconsiderate and rude behavior knows no gender, racial or age boundaries.  

Anyway - 
Personally, what drives me the craziest, is the &quot;loud cell phone talker.&quot;  Again, it probably wouldn&#039;t bother me every now and then, but constantly being privy to other people&#039;s personal and professional lives....  is awful.  I&#039;ll get up and move in an airport,  but on planes before wheels up and after landing is the absolute worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a extremely frequent flyer (4-6 flights per week), I much appreciate boarding first.  If I flew once every 6 months, waiting in line for 15 minutes to board wouldn&#8217;t bother me in the slightest.  When you multiply those 15 minutes by 6 flights a week &#8211;  boarding first is very much appreciated.  And the reason for it?  The thousands and thousands of dollars I give to the airline every month.  It&#8217;s not an elitest status thing.  It&#8217;s rewarding loyal and frequent customers with a slightly smaller level of stress.  The airline industry is a business, and businesses across the world reward their best customers.  </p>
<p>Also &#8211; casual flyers aren&#8217;t the only victims of the &#8220;I&#8217;m the most important person on this plane&#8221; mentality.  And it sure doesn&#8217;t only come from frequent flyers.  After spending most of my time during the past year on flights and in airports, I can say that inconsiderate and rude behavior knows no gender, racial or age boundaries.  </p>
<p>Anyway &#8211;<br />
Personally, what drives me the craziest, is the &#8220;loud cell phone talker.&#8221;  Again, it probably wouldn&#8217;t bother me every now and then, but constantly being privy to other people&#8217;s personal and professional lives&#8230;.  is awful.  I&#8217;ll get up and move in an airport,  but on planes before wheels up and after landing is the absolute worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it was bad timing on my part, but last December, flying on Northwest, the idiot gate agent announced &quot;boarding all rows&quot; on a full plane. Utter chaos!

I have not flown with them since so I don&#039;t know if it is their new &quot;who cares&quot; policy or just a temporary snafu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it was bad timing on my part, but last December, flying on Northwest, the idiot gate agent announced &#8220;boarding all rows&#8221; on a full plane. Utter chaos!</p>
<p>I have not flown with them since so I don&#8217;t know if it is their new &#8220;who cares&#8221; policy or just a temporary snafu.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>United boards airplanes from the back to front.  I usually book early and get a front seat (economy) but I might change my mind as overhead bins become a premium for some.  On my last flight all the front bins were full since &quot;Zone 1&quot; is the last boarded, thus I had to find a bin in the back.  Of course, you then have to wait for everyone else to deplane before you can get your bag.  On United, better to find a seat in the back....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>United boards airplanes from the back to front.  I usually book early and get a front seat (economy) but I might change my mind as overhead bins become a premium for some.  On my last flight all the front bins were full since &#8220;Zone 1&#8243; is the last boarded, thus I had to find a bin in the back.  Of course, you then have to wait for everyone else to deplane before you can get your bag.  On United, better to find a seat in the back&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought here, but instead of boarding coach passengers from the front of the plane back, why not board from the back of the plane forward? That way, passengers aren&#039;t waiting for the people in the first few rows to get there luggage and seat situation straight before they are able to proceed to there seat aisles behind them? Wouldn&#039;t that eliminate the time just standing there, holding your child or children&#039;s hand, or holding your carry on bag/purse/laptop longer then necessary? 

Like other passengers have stated, if my carry on bag can fit in the seat under me, that is where I prefer to put it anyways, instead of trying to find room in the over head bin before departure, and then waiting for everyone else around me to find there luggage before I can even get to mine and wait in the long line to get off the plane, in hopes of not missing my connecting flight.

With the new charge for luggage the airlines are implementing, I will be forced to only bring carry on luggage (as will most customers, which in turn, will cause more delays). However, if I know there is no chance of finding room for it on the plane, I will just check it plane-side and pick it up between connecting flights. At least this way, I am assured my luggage will arrive at my destination when I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought here, but instead of boarding coach passengers from the front of the plane back, why not board from the back of the plane forward? That way, passengers aren&#8217;t waiting for the people in the first few rows to get there luggage and seat situation straight before they are able to proceed to there seat aisles behind them? Wouldn&#8217;t that eliminate the time just standing there, holding your child or children&#8217;s hand, or holding your carry on bag/purse/laptop longer then necessary? </p>
<p>Like other passengers have stated, if my carry on bag can fit in the seat under me, that is where I prefer to put it anyways, instead of trying to find room in the over head bin before departure, and then waiting for everyone else around me to find there luggage before I can even get to mine and wait in the long line to get off the plane, in hopes of not missing my connecting flight.</p>
<p>With the new charge for luggage the airlines are implementing, I will be forced to only bring carry on luggage (as will most customers, which in turn, will cause more delays). However, if I know there is no chance of finding room for it on the plane, I will just check it plane-side and pick it up between connecting flights. At least this way, I am assured my luggage will arrive at my destination when I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don&#039;t understand it. The vultures that lurk before their group is called. The people who try to sneak into other groups. The folks who whine and moan and have to let the world know they&#039;re mad when they get caught.

I generally fly Alaska Airlines and half of that time, I&#039;m flying first class. Yes, I board early -- sometimes. Sometimes, I&#039;m just as content to sit there and talk with someone flying coach and board with them. I don&#039;t make a mad dash for the gate whether I&#039;m flying coach or first class. When I&#039;m flying coach, I actually prefer to be one of the last ones boarding. Forget standing in line waiting for someone to take FOREVER to figure out his carryon bag isn&#039;t fitting in the overhead bin. Forget waiting in line while it takes someone FOREVER to simply slide into the seat.

So many people act like they&#039;re the most important person on the plane. You can keep thinking that way; your pretentious ways don&#039;t affect me the slightest bit. I quietly chuckle at you because I&#039;m well aware your behavior doesn&#039;t afford you anything better in life.

I once had a gate attendant ask me why I chose to sit there and board last even though I had a first class ticket. I responded that I knew I was going to have a water bottle waiting on me anyway, so why rush to get seated first when all I could do was sit there and smile smugly while everyone else makes their way past me to coach? That may be important to some people, but not me. I&#039;m happy to enjoy that extra room in semi secretively.

The problem with boarding isn&#039;t the airlines; it&#039;s the people. Partial proof of that is the fact that the boarding time goes down materially if no one brings on carry on luggage. Same system for boarding -- only the people have less things to slow it down.

Could you imagine how fast the plane would load if arriving at their seat, each person threw the carry on in the overhead and got in their seat in five seconds? Really, that&#039;s about how long it takes me -- five seconds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t understand it. The vultures that lurk before their group is called. The people who try to sneak into other groups. The folks who whine and moan and have to let the world know they&#8217;re mad when they get caught.</p>
<p>I generally fly Alaska Airlines and half of that time, I&#8217;m flying first class. Yes, I board early &#8212; sometimes. Sometimes, I&#8217;m just as content to sit there and talk with someone flying coach and board with them. I don&#8217;t make a mad dash for the gate whether I&#8217;m flying coach or first class. When I&#8217;m flying coach, I actually prefer to be one of the last ones boarding. Forget standing in line waiting for someone to take FOREVER to figure out his carryon bag isn&#8217;t fitting in the overhead bin. Forget waiting in line while it takes someone FOREVER to simply slide into the seat.</p>
<p>So many people act like they&#8217;re the most important person on the plane. You can keep thinking that way; your pretentious ways don&#8217;t affect me the slightest bit. I quietly chuckle at you because I&#8217;m well aware your behavior doesn&#8217;t afford you anything better in life.</p>
<p>I once had a gate attendant ask me why I chose to sit there and board last even though I had a first class ticket. I responded that I knew I was going to have a water bottle waiting on me anyway, so why rush to get seated first when all I could do was sit there and smile smugly while everyone else makes their way past me to coach? That may be important to some people, but not me. I&#8217;m happy to enjoy that extra room in semi secretively.</p>
<p>The problem with boarding isn&#8217;t the airlines; it&#8217;s the people. Partial proof of that is the fact that the boarding time goes down materially if no one brings on carry on luggage. Same system for boarding &#8212; only the people have less things to slow it down.</p>
<p>Could you imagine how fast the plane would load if arriving at their seat, each person threw the carry on in the overhead and got in their seat in five seconds? Really, that&#8217;s about how long it takes me &#8212; five seconds.</p>
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		<title>By: Roark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Mathew B; it&#039;s infuriating to see people hauling huge suitcases; and if you&#039;re the last group to board, you can be assured that your own smaller carry-on will be the one needing to be checked due to lack of space. 

Unfortunately with the way airline travel has devolved, I can&#039;t tell you how many times I&#039;ve relied upon the fresh shirt and toiletries I packed in my carry-on because I became stranded in a city other than my destination when my flight was canceled, overbooked, or delayed due to mechanical issues (and my connection missed). Then there&#039;s arriving at your destination to find your luggage hasn&#039;t...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mathew B; it&#8217;s infuriating to see people hauling huge suitcases; and if you&#8217;re the last group to board, you can be assured that your own smaller carry-on will be the one needing to be checked due to lack of space. </p>
<p>Unfortunately with the way airline travel has devolved, I can&#8217;t tell you how many times I&#8217;ve relied upon the fresh shirt and toiletries I packed in my carry-on because I became stranded in a city other than my destination when my flight was canceled, overbooked, or delayed due to mechanical issues (and my connection missed). Then there&#8217;s arriving at your destination to find your luggage hasn&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew B</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/all-aboard-5-tips-for-getting-on-the-plane-pronto/comment-page-1/#comment-12594</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The major problem I have with boarding is the people that somehow imagine that a 26&quot;x18&quot;x10&quot; suitcase is a 45&quot; inch carryon. These people need to be stopped before the security check and told to go back and check their bag. All airlines in north America have pretty much have the same carryon policy: 1x45&quot; 40lb carryon and one personal item. If this were enforced there&#039;d be enough room for everyone&#039;s stuff and we wouldn&#039;t be having these wars. They have to be stopped before security though, if they&#039;re arguing about it with a gate agent or FA, the flight is going to be late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The major problem I have with boarding is the people that somehow imagine that a 26&#8243;x18&#8243;x10&#8243; suitcase is a 45&#8243; inch carryon. These people need to be stopped before the security check and told to go back and check their bag. All airlines in north America have pretty much have the same carryon policy: 1&#215;45&#8243; 40lb carryon and one personal item. If this were enforced there&#8217;d be enough room for everyone&#8217;s stuff and we wouldn&#8217;t be having these wars. They have to be stopped before security though, if they&#8217;re arguing about it with a gate agent or FA, the flight is going to be late.</p>
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		<title>By: kenish</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have flown the domestic 747s in Japan several times.  Flights are less than 2 hours and don&#039;t require very much fuel.  The planes carry 550-650 Y class passengers and usually run full !   The orderly Japanese board and disembark quickly. Typical ground time is 30-40 minutes.  On the most recent flight, boarding started 15 minutes before departure....they pushed back on time to the second.  Just a simple but drastic cultural difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have flown the domestic 747s in Japan several times.  Flights are less than 2 hours and don&#8217;t require very much fuel.  The planes carry 550-650 Y class passengers and usually run full !   The orderly Japanese board and disembark quickly. Typical ground time is 30-40 minutes.  On the most recent flight, boarding started 15 minutes before departure&#8230;.they pushed back on time to the second.  Just a simple but drastic cultural difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was traveling with a group of my students who all have mental disabilities. Despite us all having the same &quot;record locator,&quot; all tickets booked together, AND the airline being notified of these kids&#039; special needs, we had major problems with boarding. First of all, they gave us all different &quot;zones&quot; and second of all, our kids needed to board early so they wouldn&#039;t get anxious waiting around. 

In Atlanta, we were fine. I spoke with the gate agent and she allowed us on just after the elites. This gave the kids a few minutes of &quot;quiet&quot; to gather their surroundings on the plane.

In Dallas, the Delta gate agent was a jerk. He told me that he wasn&#039;t making any special accomodations and that the kids have to board with their zone. I could not board with their zone, I had to board with my zone (which of course was the last one). The other adults in the party were also put in my zone. I said, &quot;We&#039;ll just wait until the end then.&quot; He told me we couldn&#039;t do that and that he would give our seats to stand bys if we didn&#039;t board in our correct zones.

I sent a letter to Delta but all I got was a form response telling me that they were &quot;committed to serving customers with special needs and would investigate the incident.&quot;

Right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was traveling with a group of my students who all have mental disabilities. Despite us all having the same &#8220;record locator,&#8221; all tickets booked together, AND the airline being notified of these kids&#8217; special needs, we had major problems with boarding. First of all, they gave us all different &#8220;zones&#8221; and second of all, our kids needed to board early so they wouldn&#8217;t get anxious waiting around. </p>
<p>In Atlanta, we were fine. I spoke with the gate agent and she allowed us on just after the elites. This gave the kids a few minutes of &#8220;quiet&#8221; to gather their surroundings on the plane.</p>
<p>In Dallas, the Delta gate agent was a jerk. He told me that he wasn&#8217;t making any special accomodations and that the kids have to board with their zone. I could not board with their zone, I had to board with my zone (which of course was the last one). The other adults in the party were also put in my zone. I said, &#8220;We&#8217;ll just wait until the end then.&#8221; He told me we couldn&#8217;t do that and that he would give our seats to stand bys if we didn&#8217;t board in our correct zones.</p>
<p>I sent a letter to Delta but all I got was a form response telling me that they were &#8220;committed to serving customers with special needs and would investigate the incident.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, as usual, blame the &quot;apathetic&quot; gate agent for boarding chaos.  While I may not necessarily agree with the method, perhaps that agent is tired of every person that gets turned away for boarding too early picking a fight.  And God-forbid it is a semi-elite flier boarding too early.  They won&#039;t let anyone else board while they argue because they are so self-important.

It&#039;s not the agents folks, nor the methods.  It is you and your self-important &quot;I&#039;m better than the 150 other people on this plane&quot; attitudes that cause most of these problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, as usual, blame the &#8220;apathetic&#8221; gate agent for boarding chaos.  While I may not necessarily agree with the method, perhaps that agent is tired of every person that gets turned away for boarding too early picking a fight.  And God-forbid it is a semi-elite flier boarding too early.  They won&#8217;t let anyone else board while they argue because they are so self-important.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the agents folks, nor the methods.  It is you and your self-important &#8220;I&#8217;m better than the 150 other people on this plane&#8221; attitudes that cause most of these problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a frequent flier (US Airways Chairman, Southwest A-List) I have come to enjoy the ability to board with the first batch on the airplane. Most frequent travelers tend to carry their belongings on the flight, and have an overwhelming desire to maximize time to return home quickly, thus avoiding baggage claim when possible. Not being an over packer, I have a mild 25 pound 22&quot; carry on that I can fit easily, and I NEVER use the overhead comparment for my personal item that sits right underneath the seat in front of me.

Early boarding on US Airways has the major benefit of access to overhead bins, and when seated in their complimentary first class upgade seats, the opportunity for a drink (I am and ABQ commuter and there are no drinks for US Airways over New Mexico, so this is a mute issue for me). Being that US Airways requires the full 30 minutes to board the plane, the advantage/disadvantage is now I am sitting for half and hour and can work if I&#039;d like. 

On Southwest - there is really only one reason I enjoy the early boarding, Aisle seat near the front with my bag above my head. The short 15 minute boarding on Southwest typically leads to just enough time to text home a quick love note, and enjoy the ride.

I have noticed a tendancy however of an interesting technique I&#039;ve heard called &quot;vulturing&quot;, people hawk about the boarding area in an effort to be the first of the next group. For example, if assigned &quot;Group 5&quot;, one might hang out with an earlier group, stand near or next to the boarding agent when up front allowing those to pass, being able to grab first pole when 5 is finally announced. I fully understand this method - when bags must be checked due to overhead bins becomming overloaded, it is typically just the last few on the plane. Avoiding being the end of the final group makes quite a bit of sense. 

The only method to really avoid this again would be to follow Southwest&#039;s old A-B-C method of hearding cattle into pens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a frequent flier (US Airways Chairman, Southwest A-List) I have come to enjoy the ability to board with the first batch on the airplane. Most frequent travelers tend to carry their belongings on the flight, and have an overwhelming desire to maximize time to return home quickly, thus avoiding baggage claim when possible. Not being an over packer, I have a mild 25 pound 22&#8243; carry on that I can fit easily, and I NEVER use the overhead comparment for my personal item that sits right underneath the seat in front of me.</p>
<p>Early boarding on US Airways has the major benefit of access to overhead bins, and when seated in their complimentary first class upgade seats, the opportunity for a drink (I am and ABQ commuter and there are no drinks for US Airways over New Mexico, so this is a mute issue for me). Being that US Airways requires the full 30 minutes to board the plane, the advantage/disadvantage is now I am sitting for half and hour and can work if I&#8217;d like. </p>
<p>On Southwest &#8211; there is really only one reason I enjoy the early boarding, Aisle seat near the front with my bag above my head. The short 15 minute boarding on Southwest typically leads to just enough time to text home a quick love note, and enjoy the ride.</p>
<p>I have noticed a tendancy however of an interesting technique I&#8217;ve heard called &#8220;vulturing&#8221;, people hawk about the boarding area in an effort to be the first of the next group. For example, if assigned &#8220;Group 5&#8243;, one might hang out with an earlier group, stand near or next to the boarding agent when up front allowing those to pass, being able to grab first pole when 5 is finally announced. I fully understand this method &#8211; when bags must be checked due to overhead bins becomming overloaded, it is typically just the last few on the plane. Avoiding being the end of the final group makes quite a bit of sense. </p>
<p>The only method to really avoid this again would be to follow Southwest&#8217;s old A-B-C method of hearding cattle into pens.</p>
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