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		<title>By: Nrtguard-2011</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/7-ways-to-avoid-checked-baggage-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-74690</link>
		<dc:creator>Nrtguard-2011</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come flights to brazil do not charge as much for checked baggage as for other destinations.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come flights to brazil do not charge as much for checked baggage as for other destinations.?</p>
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		<title>By: Helio</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/7-ways-to-avoid-checked-baggage-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-61463</link>
		<dc:creator>Helio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Brazil, you can bring (legally) only two carry-ons, up to 5kg (11lb) each one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Brazil, you can bring (legally) only two carry-ons, up to 5kg (11lb) each one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronda</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/7-ways-to-avoid-checked-baggage-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-27915</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well to the guy above me, that email you got back, is what shows up beside the term non-answer in the dictionary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well to the guy above me, that email you got back, is what shows up beside the term non-answer in the dictionary</p>
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		<title>By: Niles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris...great Idea about contact the Dept of Transportation.  I wrote a detailed email explaining my thoughts.  Within a nano-second of send it I got back this reply below...obviousle they tagged certain words in my complaint (think they get a lot of compalints about airling inconsistant baggage charges?   Her is what they sent me:

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Objections to Checked Baggage Fees
 
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Thank you for your recent message concerning fees for checked baggage.  We can appreciate your interest in this issue.




Congress deregulated air fares a number of years ago.  The Department of Transportation has no authority to regulate the prices that airlines charge for air transportation services, including fees for checked bags.  Transporting a checked bag costs an airline more than transporting a carry-on bag, and some airlines and individuals feel that passengers who do not check a bag should not be required to share the cost of checked baggage.  A similar &#039;unbundling&quot; concept for services and prices has appeared for in-flight meals and beverages, and for purchasing a ticket from a reservations agent (as opposed to online).




As indicated above, DOT cannot regulate the amount an airline charges for checked baggage, whether or not those charges are included in the advertised fare, and currently there are no regulations that prohibit airlines from charging separately for checked baggage.  However, DOT has taken steps to ensure that consumers are not misled by airlines in the charges they assess for baggage.  In this regard, on May 13, 2008, DOT&#039;s Aviation Enforcement Office issued detailed guidance to the airline industry designed to ensure that prospective air travelers receive timely and effective notice about charges for checked bags.  See http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules/guidance.htm.  We also have a rule that prohibits airlines from charging for assistive devices tendered as checked baggage by passengers with disabilities (e.g., a wheelchair or walker).



Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris&#8230;great Idea about contact the Dept of Transportation.  I wrote a detailed email explaining my thoughts.  Within a nano-second of send it I got back this reply below&#8230;obviousle they tagged certain words in my complaint (think they get a lot of compalints about airling inconsistant baggage charges?   Her is what they sent me:</p>
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<p>Thank you for your recent message concerning fees for checked baggage.  We can appreciate your interest in this issue.</p>
<p>Congress deregulated air fares a number of years ago.  The Department of Transportation has no authority to regulate the prices that airlines charge for air transportation services, including fees for checked bags.  Transporting a checked bag costs an airline more than transporting a carry-on bag, and some airlines and individuals feel that passengers who do not check a bag should not be required to share the cost of checked baggage.  A similar &#8216;unbundling&#8221; concept for services and prices has appeared for in-flight meals and beverages, and for purchasing a ticket from a reservations agent (as opposed to online).</p>
<p>As indicated above, DOT cannot regulate the amount an airline charges for checked baggage, whether or not those charges are included in the advertised fare, and currently there are no regulations that prohibit airlines from charging separately for checked baggage.  However, DOT has taken steps to ensure that consumers are not misled by airlines in the charges they assess for baggage.  In this regard, on May 13, 2008, DOT&#8217;s Aviation Enforcement Office issued detailed guidance to the airline industry designed to ensure that prospective air travelers receive timely and effective notice about charges for checked bags.  See <a href="http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules/guidance.htm" rel="nofollow">http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules/guidance.htm</a>.  We also have a rule that prohibits airlines from charging for assistive devices tendered as checked baggage by passengers with disabilities (e.g., a wheelchair or walker).</p>
<p>Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/7-ways-to-avoid-checked-baggage-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-22259</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;&gt;

Lihue is on the island of Kauai, not Oahu.  This info is good to know, however, since I will be traveling LIH-HNL-DEN in September on Hawaiian and United and plan to check my bags all the way through.</description>
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<p>Lihue is on the island of Kauai, not Oahu.  This info is good to know, however, since I will be traveling LIH-HNL-DEN in September on Hawaiian and United and plan to check my bags all the way through.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marilyn D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just traveled on a United flight with an extended stopover. Normally I don&#039;t fly on that particular airline. No special reason; I just don&#039;t. BUT - I am thinking of changing my mind because on this flight we were given regular updates from the flight deck on turbulance and other news regarding our flight and/or weather. Also we were given connecting flight information. That rarely happens on the &#039;airline I love to hate&#039; (US Air). Anyway, I discovered that if I went online to print my boarding pass and also notified them of checked bags (2), I received a discount on my fees. Eight dollars ($8.00) is eight dollars but at least it is in MY pocket and not someone else&#039;s. I wish all of the airlines would do something like that if they are chargng fees. Usually they want the whole amount. And, northern Michigan was wonderful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just traveled on a United flight with an extended stopover. Normally I don&#8217;t fly on that particular airline. No special reason; I just don&#8217;t. BUT &#8211; I am thinking of changing my mind because on this flight we were given regular updates from the flight deck on turbulance and other news regarding our flight and/or weather. Also we were given connecting flight information. That rarely happens on the &#8216;airline I love to hate&#8217; (US Air). Anyway, I discovered that if I went online to print my boarding pass and also notified them of checked bags (2), I received a discount on my fees. Eight dollars ($8.00) is eight dollars but at least it is in MY pocket and not someone else&#8217;s. I wish all of the airlines would do something like that if they are chargng fees. Usually they want the whole amount. And, northern Michigan was wonderful!</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The data on BTS&#039; site seems limited. But one table I found there gave some ideas how much airfare went up and/or dropped:

http://www.bts.gov/programs/economics_and_finance/air_travel_price_index/html/table_13.html

At the risk of possibly going off-topic, aren&#039;t there sites (Yapta, I think) that historically tracks airfare changes over a period of time? Would be interesting to see how much airfare has changed prior, during, and after baggage fees were added.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The data on BTS&#8217; site seems limited. But one table I found there gave some ideas how much airfare went up and/or dropped:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bts.gov/programs/economics_and_finance/air_travel_price_index/html/table_13.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bts.gov/programs/economics_and_finance/air_travel_price_index/html/table_13.html</a></p>
<p>At the risk of possibly going off-topic, aren&#8217;t there sites (Yapta, I think) that historically tracks airfare changes over a period of time? Would be interesting to see how much airfare has changed prior, during, and after baggage fees were added.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jack

That comment made no sense. Consider. Most of the goods and services that you purchase use relatively static pricing.  Prices generally don&#039;t change quickly, often, or by much.  Airline tickets use a dynamic model.  So you simply cannot pick a point in time and say, well the ticket prices have or haven&#039;t dropped. You have to average it.  In my case, ticket prices have plummetted.   I used to pay between $200-300 to fly with one day notice from the Bay area to LA on American Airlines.  Now I pay between $58 and $158 on average.

The point being is that there were two options.  Either raise ticket prices on everyone, thus making the fee unavoidable, or raise it on those folks whose behavior warrants the fee.

@Carrie

How does that solve the problem?  Your solution is to increase my ticket prices by $15 per ticket regardless of whether I have a bag or not, whether I have status or not, whether I have their credit card or not.  No thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jack</p>
<p>That comment made no sense. Consider. Most of the goods and services that you purchase use relatively static pricing.  Prices generally don&#8217;t change quickly, often, or by much.  Airline tickets use a dynamic model.  So you simply cannot pick a point in time and say, well the ticket prices have or haven&#8217;t dropped. You have to average it.  In my case, ticket prices have plummetted.   I used to pay between $200-300 to fly with one day notice from the Bay area to LA on American Airlines.  Now I pay between $58 and $158 on average.</p>
<p>The point being is that there were two options.  Either raise ticket prices on everyone, thus making the fee unavoidable, or raise it on those folks whose behavior warrants the fee.</p>
<p>@Carrie</p>
<p>How does that solve the problem?  Your solution is to increase my ticket prices by $15 per ticket regardless of whether I have a bag or not, whether I have status or not, whether I have their credit card or not.  No thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use several of those methods.  Basically, I fly Southwest whenever it makes sense. And if it doesn&#039;t, I just stretch the rules to the fullest.  If you happen to see a guy at the airport with one huge bag that weighs in at 49.9999625 lbs, a laptop bag stuffed so full that looks like a duffel, etc., that would be me. 

I apologize in advance for taking so long to board the plane.  Don&#039;t blame me, blame the airlines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use several of those methods.  Basically, I fly Southwest whenever it makes sense. And if it doesn&#8217;t, I just stretch the rules to the fullest.  If you happen to see a guy at the airport with one huge bag that weighs in at 49.9999625 lbs, a laptop bag stuffed so full that looks like a duffel, etc., that would be me. </p>
<p>I apologize in advance for taking so long to board the plane.  Don&#8217;t blame me, blame the airlines.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because we live in Houston and are on the north side of town, we ALWAYS fly Continental (it gets us where we want to go without having to change planes...)...Anyway, the trick we&#039;ve learned with them is that, if you have a Continental card and use it to buy your ticket, the first checked bag is free.  So, my husband and I each have a card now, and we just make sure that we end up sitting next to each other...Which works well since Continental will allow you to choose your seats when you book.  It&#039;s all about working the system :o)

Our last trip (to Cozumel) was a packing adventure - he was diving and I wasn&#039;t, so we had to get all of our clothes and extras into one bag so that his dive bag had nothing but dive gear in it...The nice thing about Continental is that, if the bag is dive gear ONLY, you get a 70 lb weight allowance on the bag - which is VERY handy for divers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because we live in Houston and are on the north side of town, we ALWAYS fly Continental (it gets us where we want to go without having to change planes&#8230;)&#8230;Anyway, the trick we&#8217;ve learned with them is that, if you have a Continental card and use it to buy your ticket, the first checked bag is free.  So, my husband and I each have a card now, and we just make sure that we end up sitting next to each other&#8230;Which works well since Continental will allow you to choose your seats when you book.  It&#8217;s all about working the system :o)</p>
<p>Our last trip (to Cozumel) was a packing adventure &#8211; he was diving and I wasn&#8217;t, so we had to get all of our clothes and extras into one bag so that his dive bag had nothing but dive gear in it&#8230;The nice thing about Continental is that, if the bag is dive gear ONLY, you get a 70 lb weight allowance on the bag &#8211; which is VERY handy for divers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last I checked....  this is a free market society.  I love how no one is allowed to make a profit.  Fact is if you book an airline that charges the fee.... then dont cry about it.  If its not the best deal then book the airline that gives you the best deal -- fee or no fee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last I checked&#8230;.  this is a free market society.  I love how no one is allowed to make a profit.  Fact is if you book an airline that charges the fee&#8230;. then dont cry about it.  If its not the best deal then book the airline that gives you the best deal &#8212; fee or no fee.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Charney</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/7-ways-to-avoid-checked-baggage-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-22155</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie Charney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just charge $15 extra accross the board and that should solve the problem, if there was one. Since many don&#039;t pay a baggage fee ordinarily anyway, that should cover two bags for some people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just charge $15 extra accross the board and that should solve the problem, if there was one. Since many don&#8217;t pay a baggage fee ordinarily anyway, that should cover two bags for some people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/the-travel-critic/7-ways-to-avoid-checked-baggage-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-22154</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carver, based on your Reason #1 you bought into the airlines&#039; lies that the checked baggage fees were &#039;unbundled&#039; from the price of the fare, even though the fares didn&#039;t decrease, didn&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carver, based on your Reason #1 you bought into the airlines&#8217; lies that the checked baggage fees were &#8216;unbundled&#8217; from the price of the fare, even though the fares didn&#8217;t decrease, didn&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I maintain that if the government forced airlines to include checked bags it would be a disaster for two reasons.

Reason 1:  It would cause an increase in fares as the airlines work feverishly to find a way to replace this lost revenue.  Does anyone really believe that the airlines are just going to walk away from this revenue. Of course not.  The end result would merely be a revenue shifting result.  Instead of one group (infrequent fliers) paying this charge, it would be spread amongst everyone, aka redistribution of wealth.

The beauty of the checked bag fee is that the person who is paying for it is likely to be an infrequent flyer, who generally costs the airline more money due to his or her lack of flying experience.

Reason 2:  Government intervention stiffles innovation and creatively. To avoid checked baggage fees, flyers will 1)pack lightly, 2)join the loyalty program, 3)fly a discount airline, etc.  The power is in the passenger to decide what works best for him or her.  That government intervention accomplishes is a one size fits all solution.  Don&#039;t believe me?  Been to any government offices lately, say, the DMV?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I maintain that if the government forced airlines to include checked bags it would be a disaster for two reasons.</p>
<p>Reason 1:  It would cause an increase in fares as the airlines work feverishly to find a way to replace this lost revenue.  Does anyone really believe that the airlines are just going to walk away from this revenue. Of course not.  The end result would merely be a revenue shifting result.  Instead of one group (infrequent fliers) paying this charge, it would be spread amongst everyone, aka redistribution of wealth.</p>
<p>The beauty of the checked bag fee is that the person who is paying for it is likely to be an infrequent flyer, who generally costs the airline more money due to his or her lack of flying experience.</p>
<p>Reason 2:  Government intervention stiffles innovation and creatively. To avoid checked baggage fees, flyers will 1)pack lightly, 2)join the loyalty program, 3)fly a discount airline, etc.  The power is in the passenger to decide what works best for him or her.  That government intervention accomplishes is a one size fits all solution.  Don&#8217;t believe me?  Been to any government offices lately, say, the DMV?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like everyone else, I think the baggage fees are extremely sleazy.  I&#039;ll fly Southwest whenever I can, and if they take over Frontier my choices from DEN will be many.  

I definitely take such fees into account when buying a ticket, comparing the bottom line, and I&#039;d strongly encourage search engines such as Kayak to take them into account as well.  It shouldn&#039;t be hard to fill in &quot;number of bags checked&quot; when obtaining prices.   (I also wish Kayak were able to list Southwest flights.) 

Unless there is government action, the only way this thing will end is if the airlines find the market dictating that it end.  Neither looks very likely at this point, but we can keep trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like everyone else, I think the baggage fees are extremely sleazy.  I&#8217;ll fly Southwest whenever I can, and if they take over Frontier my choices from DEN will be many.  </p>
<p>I definitely take such fees into account when buying a ticket, comparing the bottom line, and I&#8217;d strongly encourage search engines such as Kayak to take them into account as well.  It shouldn&#8217;t be hard to fill in &#8220;number of bags checked&#8221; when obtaining prices.   (I also wish Kayak were able to list Southwest flights.) </p>
<p>Unless there is government action, the only way this thing will end is if the airlines find the market dictating that it end.  Neither looks very likely at this point, but we can keep trying.</p>
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