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		<title>By: Linda Noel</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/help/spirit-airlines/comment-page-2/#comment-41460</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sherrell, I will join you.  Every travel experience that I have had with Spirit Airlines has been a bad one.  They nickel and dime you, and their customer service is STILL the pits.  I have called to complain every time, and I have even driven up the street to the corporate office (a shell location where no one is allowed to enter the building).  

Nearly one year ago, I booked an international flight for my son (15 years old at the time) and I to travel to the Caribbean to attend a graduation.  We expected to be there for approximately 3 days.  I thoroughly reviewed the information on Spirit&#039;s website, and it indicated that minors 13 years of age or younger must provide additional documentation if traveling out of the country.  I relied on the information on the website, and I reported to the airport only to have a representative advise that I cannot board the plane because my son and I do not have the same last name and because he is a minor (i.e. less than 18 years of age).  I was then told, for the first time, that I must either present a notarized letter from my husband (who is deceased) or my son’s birth certificate.  Either way, I was simply not getting on my flight.  I ended up missing the flight and the graduation.  

I complained to the Department of Transportation, and my complaint was eventually forwarded to Ms. Harvey, who, in what appeared to be a CYA letter, essentially failed to acknowledge that Spirit made a mistake.  Spirit did, however, change its website in this regard.  Ultimately, Ms. Harvey gave my son and I two vouchers to travel on Spirit.  Against my better judgment, I attempted to use the voucher last Sunday.  I entered the information on the website, and I received information identifying the fees and taxes that I had to pay (nearly $100).  I authorized Spirit to deduct only this amount from my account  For some unknown reason, Spirit subsequently charged my credit card the entire amount of the fare--despite the fact that I never authorized them to do so.  

When I called to complain, I was blamed for not calling the customer service line before and/or after booking my flight (for a fee of course).  Again, the website makes no mention of this alleged requirement.  I was also told that it would take 7 to 10 days for Spirit to return the money that it misappropriated.  In the meantime, I am incurring overdraft fees because Spirit took my money without my permission.  This is truly criminal!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sherrell, I will join you.  Every travel experience that I have had with Spirit Airlines has been a bad one.  They nickel and dime you, and their customer service is STILL the pits.  I have called to complain every time, and I have even driven up the street to the corporate office (a shell location where no one is allowed to enter the building).  </p>
<p>Nearly one year ago, I booked an international flight for my son (15 years old at the time) and I to travel to the Caribbean to attend a graduation.  We expected to be there for approximately 3 days.  I thoroughly reviewed the information on Spirit&#8217;s website, and it indicated that minors 13 years of age or younger must provide additional documentation if traveling out of the country.  I relied on the information on the website, and I reported to the airport only to have a representative advise that I cannot board the plane because my son and I do not have the same last name and because he is a minor (i.e. less than 18 years of age).  I was then told, for the first time, that I must either present a notarized letter from my husband (who is deceased) or my son’s birth certificate.  Either way, I was simply not getting on my flight.  I ended up missing the flight and the graduation.  </p>
<p>I complained to the Department of Transportation, and my complaint was eventually forwarded to Ms. Harvey, who, in what appeared to be a CYA letter, essentially failed to acknowledge that Spirit made a mistake.  Spirit did, however, change its website in this regard.  Ultimately, Ms. Harvey gave my son and I two vouchers to travel on Spirit.  Against my better judgment, I attempted to use the voucher last Sunday.  I entered the information on the website, and I received information identifying the fees and taxes that I had to pay (nearly $100).  I authorized Spirit to deduct only this amount from my account  For some unknown reason, Spirit subsequently charged my credit card the entire amount of the fare&#8211;despite the fact that I never authorized them to do so.  </p>
<p>When I called to complain, I was blamed for not calling the customer service line before and/or after booking my flight (for a fee of course).  Again, the website makes no mention of this alleged requirement.  I was also told that it would take 7 to 10 days for Spirit to return the money that it misappropriated.  In the meantime, I am incurring overdraft fees because Spirit took my money without my permission.  This is truly criminal!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sherrell Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/help/spirit-airlines/comment-page-2/#comment-40717</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherrell Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 21:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I have to say is PETITION and public exposure. I would like to start a petition that should go to FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) and whatever governing authorities that allow them to treat the consumer in such a unprofessional and criminal way. I did say Criminal. Afterall, it is illegal to steal from people right? So people, it&#039;s got to start with us! Im tired of whinning and not getting any thing done. Will you join me? sherrellwalker@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I have to say is PETITION and public exposure. I would like to start a petition that should go to FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) and whatever governing authorities that allow them to treat the consumer in such a unprofessional and criminal way. I did say Criminal. Afterall, it is illegal to steal from people right? So people, it&#8217;s got to start with us! Im tired of whinning and not getting any thing done. Will you join me? <a href="mailto:sherrellwalker@yahoo.com">sherrellwalker@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: ElChicoKico</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/help/spirit-airlines/comment-page-2/#comment-40377</link>
		<dc:creator>ElChicoKico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 15:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry to say...You get what you pay for! 
Before booking I called customer service to get some insite on what to expect on fees for example; cost of check-in baggage, well I thought I was told that bags were charged on a round trip basis after booking the flight and tring to pay via online for baggage I was shocked to discover that baggage fees are each way! I assuming since there is a language barrier speaking with someone in India, it was not made clear to me about the baggage. OK so just give me my money back and cancel my flight Opps...wrong again there&#039;s a fee again  for cancellations. It&#039;s a no win situation and the big loser is the customer, Spirit Customer Service from India they are very nice but there customer service to resolve the issue is not there main concern. I will make it my mission to let people know that Spirit Airlines is not a customer friendly company!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry to say&#8230;You get what you pay for!<br />
Before booking I called customer service to get some insite on what to expect on fees for example; cost of check-in baggage, well I thought I was told that bags were charged on a round trip basis after booking the flight and tring to pay via online for baggage I was shocked to discover that baggage fees are each way! I assuming since there is a language barrier speaking with someone in India, it was not made clear to me about the baggage. OK so just give me my money back and cancel my flight Opps&#8230;wrong again there&#8217;s a fee again  for cancellations. It&#8217;s a no win situation and the big loser is the customer, Spirit Customer Service from India they are very nice but there customer service to resolve the issue is not there main concern. I will make it my mission to let people know that Spirit Airlines is not a customer friendly company!</p>
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		<title>By: Hel</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/help/spirit-airlines/comment-page-2/#comment-38752</link>
		<dc:creator>Hel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 22:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why didn&#039;t I research information on Spirit Airline credit card before I applied? Why did I even pay for the stupid $9 Club Fare for $39.95? I&#039;m so stupid...ughh. Free 3 round trips? Yeah, within walking distance is more like it. Off-peak? 1 week &quot;off-peak&quot; of the whole year?

I haven&#039;t gotten any $9 Fare deals. What&#039;s up with redeeming my rewards without a charge prior to 180 days of booking? $15 = 21-179 days, etc...

Who made up these rules? 

I&#039;m so regretting with Spirit Airlines...you&#039;re gonna charge carry-on luggage too starting Jul/Aug 2010??? What the hell???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why didn&#8217;t I research information on Spirit Airline credit card before I applied? Why did I even pay for the stupid $9 Club Fare for $39.95? I&#8217;m so stupid&#8230;ughh. Free 3 round trips? Yeah, within walking distance is more like it. Off-peak? 1 week &#8220;off-peak&#8221; of the whole year?</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t gotten any $9 Fare deals. What&#8217;s up with redeeming my rewards without a charge prior to 180 days of booking? $15 = 21-179 days, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Who made up these rules? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so regretting with Spirit Airlines&#8230;you&#8217;re gonna charge carry-on luggage too starting Jul/Aug 2010??? What the hell???</p>
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		<title>By: Big "B"</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/help/spirit-airlines/comment-page-2/#comment-38664</link>
		<dc:creator>Big "B"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 00:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is that Spirit is a low end schlocky airline.  They do not care about their customers because they will keep on coming back to take advantage of the low fares, when available.  They will continue to nickle and dime you each and every way they can.  However, I do have a concern that goes far above their customer service and the way they cut corners every way they can, and, that is how they maintain their aircraft!  I am willing to be they only provide the absolute minimum amout of maintenance they can get away with.  The aircraft they fly, the AB 319 and 321 are not the best pieces of equipment an airline can buy.  Most airlines buy Airbus equipment because of the lower price.  Granted, US Airway and Airbus got some good publicity when their pilots, Chesley Sullenberger, landed one of these planes in the Hudson River in NY.  But, when was the last time a Boeing airplane lost both of it&#039;s engines due to a bird strike?  If you ever rode in the back half of one of these planes you can feel how it &quot;fishtails&quot; throughout most of the flight.  So, while there are certain federal regulations in place for aircraft maintenance, I know other airlines go far above the minimum requirements.  I think if Spirit could save three cents by taking a shortcut, they would do it.  

While I have cut back on using Spirit for the most part, there are still times when they come up with some decent fares.  Yet, for my last few trips from the New York area to Ft. Lauderdale, Florida and Costa Rica, I paid less on Continental.  There was no charge to check my one suitcase, and, no charge for a decent seat.  Also, the attitude of the flight attendants was a whole lot better.  That is probably because they are treated better by their employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is that Spirit is a low end schlocky airline.  They do not care about their customers because they will keep on coming back to take advantage of the low fares, when available.  They will continue to nickle and dime you each and every way they can.  However, I do have a concern that goes far above their customer service and the way they cut corners every way they can, and, that is how they maintain their aircraft!  I am willing to be they only provide the absolute minimum amout of maintenance they can get away with.  The aircraft they fly, the AB 319 and 321 are not the best pieces of equipment an airline can buy.  Most airlines buy Airbus equipment because of the lower price.  Granted, US Airway and Airbus got some good publicity when their pilots, Chesley Sullenberger, landed one of these planes in the Hudson River in NY.  But, when was the last time a Boeing airplane lost both of it&#8217;s engines due to a bird strike?  If you ever rode in the back half of one of these planes you can feel how it &#8220;fishtails&#8221; throughout most of the flight.  So, while there are certain federal regulations in place for aircraft maintenance, I know other airlines go far above the minimum requirements.  I think if Spirit could save three cents by taking a shortcut, they would do it.  </p>
<p>While I have cut back on using Spirit for the most part, there are still times when they come up with some decent fares.  Yet, for my last few trips from the New York area to Ft. Lauderdale, Florida and Costa Rica, I paid less on Continental.  There was no charge to check my one suitcase, and, no charge for a decent seat.  Also, the attitude of the flight attendants was a whole lot better.  That is probably because they are treated better by their employer.</p>
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		<title>By: britinay bentley</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/help/spirit-airlines/comment-page-2/#comment-38292</link>
		<dc:creator>britinay bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does my husband have to have a membership if i have 1 to fly?</description>
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		<title>By: shari kushner</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/help/spirit-airlines/comment-page-2/#comment-38273</link>
		<dc:creator>shari kushner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by the way, other airlines are cheaper -- Delta flies the LGA to MYR route for $180 or so, with no carry on bag fee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way, other airlines are cheaper &#8212; Delta flies the LGA to MYR route for $180 or so, with no carry on bag fee!</p>
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		<title>By: shari kushner</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/help/spirit-airlines/comment-page-2/#comment-38271</link>
		<dc:creator>shari kushner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my family and i booked and paid for a trip from NYC to Myrtle Beach during the Easter week school vacation.  Of course, the Spirit flight down to Myrtle Beach was delayed by several hours, but no matter, we arrived and had a wonderful week.  We were to return via Spirit on April 3 at 2:40 pm. it was a clear, beautiful day up and down the Eastern seabord so weather was not an impediment to flying.  At around 11:00 am we get a call from Spirit Airlines saying that we must call immediately, our flight from Myrtle Beach home has been cancelled -- with no explanation of the basis for such cancellation.  We dutifully called the number left on the voice mail and were connected to a &quot;customer service&quot; representative.  We were told that the next available flight available would be leaving Myrtle beach on April 10th or we could get a refund and vouchers for our troubles.  Needless to say, the suggestion of a 10 day delay in returning home (with school age children -- information which was provided to Spirit at the time of booking) was both humorous and insulting.  My husband then spent the better part of 2 hours calling and waiting on hold with Spirit&#039;s &quot;customer service&quot; with the agent offering reimbursement of our full fare and 4 $100 vouchers for use on future Spirit flights.  My husband accepted and smartly asked for a confirmatory email.  After some time with no confirmatory email, my husband called back.  45 minutes on hold and another agent came back on the line to tell him that the offer was not a valid offer.  in the meanwhile, i had booked a flight for the 4 of us back to NYC at a cost of over  $1,100 (not surprisingly, last minute flights are mor expensive -- i thought is was so organized in booking and paying for our trip so far in advance -- i guess that is only true if you are flying on a reliable airline).   After numerous written correspondance, Spirit airlines is offering a refund of the one way cost of the cancelled flight for TWO of the FOUR passengers and no refund of the pre-paid baggage fee incurred for the cancelled flight.  Forget about any voucher (which is fine as we will NEVER fly spririt again).  Spirit should look at the policy they&#039;ve implemented for travelers who chose to change their flights -- if you, the paying customer, decide to change your itinerary within 24 hours of the departure time - you lose the entire cost of the flight and must pay 100% of the cost of the new flight.  If the paying customer decides to change a flight more than 24 hours prior to departure, the customer must pay a $100 change fee AND pay the difference in the cost of the new flight.   We were asking for no less considering that the only reason our flight was cancelled was to re-route the LGA-MYR plane to a more profitabile route, without regard to the economic impact on its customers. 

Spirit claims it has refunded  the cost for two of the four purchased tickets, with no credit for the pre-paid baggage, but it has not shown up on our credit card statement.  With consistently delayed and cancelled flights, you&#039;d think an airline would be more attune to their customer service.  Since they do not, we are now required to take legal action to get our money back (since when is it legal for a company to take your money, not provide the paid for services and then not refund the money paid for such services??) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my family and i booked and paid for a trip from NYC to Myrtle Beach during the Easter week school vacation.  Of course, the Spirit flight down to Myrtle Beach was delayed by several hours, but no matter, we arrived and had a wonderful week.  We were to return via Spirit on April 3 at 2:40 pm. it was a clear, beautiful day up and down the Eastern seabord so weather was not an impediment to flying.  At around 11:00 am we get a call from Spirit Airlines saying that we must call immediately, our flight from Myrtle Beach home has been cancelled &#8212; with no explanation of the basis for such cancellation.  We dutifully called the number left on the voice mail and were connected to a &#8220;customer service&#8221; representative.  We were told that the next available flight available would be leaving Myrtle beach on April 10th or we could get a refund and vouchers for our troubles.  Needless to say, the suggestion of a 10 day delay in returning home (with school age children &#8212; information which was provided to Spirit at the time of booking) was both humorous and insulting.  My husband then spent the better part of 2 hours calling and waiting on hold with Spirit&#8217;s &#8220;customer service&#8221; with the agent offering reimbursement of our full fare and 4 $100 vouchers for use on future Spirit flights.  My husband accepted and smartly asked for a confirmatory email.  After some time with no confirmatory email, my husband called back.  45 minutes on hold and another agent came back on the line to tell him that the offer was not a valid offer.  in the meanwhile, i had booked a flight for the 4 of us back to NYC at a cost of over  $1,100 (not surprisingly, last minute flights are mor expensive &#8212; i thought is was so organized in booking and paying for our trip so far in advance &#8212; i guess that is only true if you are flying on a reliable airline).   After numerous written correspondance, Spirit airlines is offering a refund of the one way cost of the cancelled flight for TWO of the FOUR passengers and no refund of the pre-paid baggage fee incurred for the cancelled flight.  Forget about any voucher (which is fine as we will NEVER fly spririt again).  Spirit should look at the policy they&#8217;ve implemented for travelers who chose to change their flights &#8212; if you, the paying customer, decide to change your itinerary within 24 hours of the departure time &#8211; you lose the entire cost of the flight and must pay 100% of the cost of the new flight.  If the paying customer decides to change a flight more than 24 hours prior to departure, the customer must pay a $100 change fee AND pay the difference in the cost of the new flight.   We were asking for no less considering that the only reason our flight was cancelled was to re-route the LGA-MYR plane to a more profitabile route, without regard to the economic impact on its customers. </p>
<p>Spirit claims it has refunded  the cost for two of the four purchased tickets, with no credit for the pre-paid baggage, but it has not shown up on our credit card statement.  With consistently delayed and cancelled flights, you&#8217;d think an airline would be more attune to their customer service.  Since they do not, we are now required to take legal action to get our money back (since when is it legal for a company to take your money, not provide the paid for services and then not refund the money paid for such services??) .</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Garrett</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/help/spirit-airlines/comment-page-2/#comment-37317</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 21:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what happened.  
My Fiance and I booked a trip on March 3, 2010 for travel on May 3, 2010-May13, 2010 ; Leaving from Ft. Lauderdale(30 miles south of where we reside) and traveling to Cancun for our honeymoon.  Well, it so happened that we found out our trip was cancelled when we went to print the itenerary over a month away from our departure time.  When we went to print this, we found that our itenerary had changed from when we originally purchased it.  We never received a confirmation email from Spirit, even though they said they sent it, we couldn&#039;t find it and wouldn&#039;t have deleted it from our email.  They cancelled our trip because we didn&#039;t show up for our flight.  Well of course we didn&#039;t because they had us booked to depart from Cancun going to Ft. Lauderdale on March 10 (one week after our booking date) and returning to Cancun from Ft. Lauderdale on May 3 ( our original departure trip)!  I even bought the travel insurance of $24 when I originally booked the flight in March.  I called Spirit to see if they would take care of me, assuming they would, but they denied that the itenerary change was their fault and stated because we didn&#039;t show up for our flight, both were cancelled, and to try to call the insurance to see if they&#039;d handle it.  When I called the insurance company (that I purchased through Spirit), they said they don&#039;t cover changes in itenerary, but to call Spirit.  I said, &quot;I did already and they told me to call you.&quot;  All I&#039;m getting from either is, &quot;I&#039;m sorry sir, there is nothing we can do.&quot;  Well that stinks and just isn&#039;t good enough.  I&#039;m furious that my hard earned, hard saved money is being wasted on such a mistake that was outside of my control.  My fiance re-booked the correct flight through Spirit, one of the only carriers for the times we had already arranged, to make sure it was secure before speaking with me, and it cost us $718 after taxes and fees and bags and seat assignments.  The original tickets were only $550 round trip with the insurance and all fees and such.  I called Spirit back to speak to a supervisor and the best he could do for me is to give me a voucher to be used within a year for travel through Spirit for the amount of half the original booking because it hasn&#039;t actually happened yet and they had us double booked for May 3 now.  That would be $254.  I had argued enough at the time and agreed to it, but I&#039;m still mad and want something to be done.  Is this something going on with others?
Is there anything that can be done?
Thanks for what you do.
-Gary Garrett
 
Royal Palm Beach, FL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what happened.<br />
My Fiance and I booked a trip on March 3, 2010 for travel on May 3, 2010-May13, 2010 ; Leaving from Ft. Lauderdale(30 miles south of where we reside) and traveling to Cancun for our honeymoon.  Well, it so happened that we found out our trip was cancelled when we went to print the itenerary over a month away from our departure time.  When we went to print this, we found that our itenerary had changed from when we originally purchased it.  We never received a confirmation email from Spirit, even though they said they sent it, we couldn&#8217;t find it and wouldn&#8217;t have deleted it from our email.  They cancelled our trip because we didn&#8217;t show up for our flight.  Well of course we didn&#8217;t because they had us booked to depart from Cancun going to Ft. Lauderdale on March 10 (one week after our booking date) and returning to Cancun from Ft. Lauderdale on May 3 ( our original departure trip)!  I even bought the travel insurance of $24 when I originally booked the flight in March.  I called Spirit to see if they would take care of me, assuming they would, but they denied that the itenerary change was their fault and stated because we didn&#8217;t show up for our flight, both were cancelled, and to try to call the insurance to see if they&#8217;d handle it.  When I called the insurance company (that I purchased through Spirit), they said they don&#8217;t cover changes in itenerary, but to call Spirit.  I said, &#8220;I did already and they told me to call you.&#8221;  All I&#8217;m getting from either is, &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry sir, there is nothing we can do.&#8221;  Well that stinks and just isn&#8217;t good enough.  I&#8217;m furious that my hard earned, hard saved money is being wasted on such a mistake that was outside of my control.  My fiance re-booked the correct flight through Spirit, one of the only carriers for the times we had already arranged, to make sure it was secure before speaking with me, and it cost us $718 after taxes and fees and bags and seat assignments.  The original tickets were only $550 round trip with the insurance and all fees and such.  I called Spirit back to speak to a supervisor and the best he could do for me is to give me a voucher to be used within a year for travel through Spirit for the amount of half the original booking because it hasn&#8217;t actually happened yet and they had us double booked for May 3 now.  That would be $254.  I had argued enough at the time and agreed to it, but I&#8217;m still mad and want something to be done.  Is this something going on with others?<br />
Is there anything that can be done?<br />
Thanks for what you do.<br />
-Gary Garrett</p>
<p>Royal Palm Beach, FL</p>
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		<title>By: barbie45</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/help/spirit-airlines/comment-page-2/#comment-37243</link>
		<dc:creator>barbie45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 13:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valencia, Thank you and and your husband for serving our country. However as much as the fact that you are active military some courtesy should have been extended to you. However, weather delays just do not permit anyone I know of receiving any vouchers. The fact that you are parents without either cash or credit cards available is just plain . irresponsible. As far as waiting to accomodate other passengers, Would you not have appreiated that courtesy extendeded to you had you been them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valencia, Thank you and and your husband for serving our country. However as much as the fact that you are active military some courtesy should have been extended to you. However, weather delays just do not permit anyone I know of receiving any vouchers. The fact that you are parents without either cash or credit cards available is just plain . irresponsible. As far as waiting to accomodate other passengers, Would you not have appreiated that courtesy extendeded to you had you been them?</p>
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		<title>By: barbie45</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/help/spirit-airlines/comment-page-2/#comment-37242</link>
		<dc:creator>barbie45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobberman, your post suggests that you are rather emotional,Southwest was more than helpful in trying to calm the child down. The crying made it impossible for flight attendants to do their lawful job of reading their required speech to passengers. The mother was given some financial perks to sweeten her up.Many passengers have earned their first class status by flying coach many many times. I am sure that business travelers have to. Both business and first class are subject to the same dangers of flying . No discrimination there. Also in general you pay for what you get. There is a difference in shopping Walmarts vs. Nordtroms. When I can afford it Walmart not be my first choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobberman, your post suggests that you are rather emotional,Southwest was more than helpful in trying to calm the child down. The crying made it impossible for flight attendants to do their lawful job of reading their required speech to passengers. The mother was given some financial perks to sweeten her up.Many passengers have earned their first class status by flying coach many many times. I am sure that business travelers have to. Both business and first class are subject to the same dangers of flying . No discrimination there. Also in general you pay for what you get. There is a difference in shopping Walmarts vs. Nordtroms. When I can afford it Walmart not be my first choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobberman</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/help/spirit-airlines/comment-page-2/#comment-37232</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 03:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AND NOW, THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW US with the carry-on. If they get away with it, no doubt other carriers will follow. It is amazing to me that all of you who continue to get screwed, ripped-off and other wise treated like trash, apparently have not been able to see the broader picture of what is happening across the whole breadth and width of mainline commercial aviation. And it&#039;s our own fault for letting it happen.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT all of the many economic categories which constitute the American flying public, a collage starts to emerge in relation to who complains about a given situation and the degree in which they perceive of, or are in fact being cheated and generally treated badly by not only Spirit Air, but also in every single instance of shoddy treatment with every major U.S. air carrier today. Yes, a segment of our society has &quot;Walmart mentality&quot;, but it is certainly small, and most of those folks, I would wager, have very limited resources and of necessity will try to &#039;save a buck&#039; when flying is their main, or only, option. Additionally, with todays sorry economy, more and more of us are having to go for the cheapest possible, or not go at all.

GENERALLY, THOUGH, I would think that most of us who fly occasionally are in the majority of, as a guess, 80% of the &#039;middle class&#039; flying public. We fly coach for the most part, try to get the cheapest rate but will pay a bit extra as our situation might benefit, e.g. in my own case, I will fly to Europe this year on Iceland Air, even though it takes longer and is a bit higher priced than a more direct flight with Delta ($850 two years ago, now $1100) because, I try to stay away from the Airbus - &quot;if it ain&#039;t Boeing, I ain&#039;t going&quot; - after having been associated with the aviation industry for close to 50 years, I do not trust the Airbus computerized fly-by-wire system (ironic that so much of our U.S. commercial fleet is European built, even our Coast Guard flies mostly French built and has contracted to re-fleet with Spanish built in 2015). Also, Iceland Air personnel are friendly and efficient and the whole experience is generally more pleasant than with any U.S. air carrier I&#039;ve tried, and that&#039;s most.

THE MAJORITY OF US FLY HERE AND THERE, the kids off to see Grandma, visit family, take the 3 day special to Vegas, vacation to Paris or Bahamas, on occasion, and mostly coach. We endure the misery and necessity of long lines, security check-in, having to now pay for all checked bags, snotty agents, delays, missed connections, lost bags, ill-mannered flight attendants, little food, over priced on-board drinks, stuffy air and cramped seating, and now soon to pay for carry-on, with talk in the air of charging for restroom use - where will it end? And for most of us, it&#039;s not something we do very often, but it&#039;s a large number of us that comprise that 80%, often or not. 

SOME OF US TAKE THE TIME to get on these sites, these blogs, and complain about all of the crap that the airlines dump on us. But only SOME of us, most don&#039;t. And those that complain here or on other sites could have just as easily sent an email to their reps in Congress or the Senate. We could form better coalitions for flyers rights. There is www.flyersrights.org which focuses mainly on &#039;tarmac delays&#039; and did help in getting voluntary implementation of minimums - a real law not getting passed when it was cut off at the knees by the lobbyists - and in any case reporting and compliance only works with the airlines that wish to provide information for public dissemination. Spirit Air does not participate and is not listed. The main point is, we, the great majority, if we could come together, have the power to initiate laws and regulations and fair treatment policies, past the airline objections and threats of raised fees, past the lobbyists. But we don&#039;t, and we won&#039;t, because we are - too busy, and apathetic. And the airlines and the lobbyists know this. That we are getting screwed, we have only ourselves to blame.

SO, WHILE WE CONTINUE TO WHINE and moan on blog sites and to individual airlines, to no avail, the airlines will continue to pull us around by the short hairs. And make no mistake, no matter how short your short hairs are, they will get you anyway, sooner or later, more and more. Now, with Spirit Air charging for carry-on, it is just one more step in the passenger airlines march towards making air travel even more of an expensive and miserable mode of travel than it now is, and, they don&#039;t give a hoot - that is, for most of us, but not all of us...

FIRST CLASS DON&#039;T WHINE. Not on these sites in any case. If you take a good look around, as I have, read all of the various complaints about almost every U.S. air carrier, you will not be able to identify a single complaint coming from someone who flew business or first class. Especially first class.  Now, of course those who can afford to travel first class get a much nicer deal - broad seats, tons of leg room, no charge for food, drinks, pillows &amp; blankets etc., etc., and as well they should for 200 to 300% more than coach class for a ticket. More power to those who can afford it, you get what you pay for and all that. And while this inflated cost must also include an unwritten offer of &#039;better treatment&#039;, does that translate into extra deference and pointed individual respect? Of course it does, money talks and those who can afford it are assumed to be not only IN first class, but also OF first class - they must be better people than the cattle in the back. Ever heard of &quot;asmallworld.net&quot;?

I DON&#039;T WANT TO SOUND LIKE A SOCIALIST, but if you can afford to pay $3700 instead of $1100 for the same flight, then I think you could afford to sue the hell out of an airline if they mistreated you, not to mention how a given wealthy/celebrity/influential individual could affect how poor publicity might come to bear on this. So no matter how hard you look, you won&#039;t find a First Class complaint posting on any of these sites. Consequently, and unfortunately the conclusion we can take from this is, First Class passengers posses inherent ad hoc rights bestowed by the airline on the basis of real or supposed wealth and/or individual importance - and not to be confused with the extra amenities of their surroundings, IT&#039;S PERSONAL. The unfortunate part of this is that those of us in Coach Class are generally assumed to be of Low Class, as least financially, and therefore cannot assume to receive more than a semblance of deference or personal respect as compared to those in First Class. 

BEYOND BASIC FEDERAL REGULATIONS, those who fly Coach Class HAVE NO RIGHTS. Take the example of the flight attendant screaming at a mother because her child made too much noise, or hollering at the owner of a dog because it barked once. Think that would happen it they were in First Class? Not on your life. From the moment you step up to the counter to buy a basic Coach Class ticket you are assumed to be in a class not worthy of any more than basic tolerance, bordering intolerance. You do not have enough money and are not important enough to pose a threat due to any airline impositions you may incur. Are the airlines and their personnel deliberately mean, nasty and rude with Coach Class travelers? No, of course not, but in relation to First Class, they don&#039;t really care all that much, and it happens all too often. Remembering, that beyond the basic rules and regulations of the Government, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS, and very little if any recourse when being treated badly on a personal basis.

FEAR, THE AIRLINE TRUMP CARD, and we all know it&#039;s there, hovering around us, and if played by some dirt bag flight attendant, big trouble. They can scream at us, ignore us, say rude and unpleasant things, with almost total impunity. But try screaming back at them, try &#039;making a fuss&#039;, even if you&#039;re in the right, and you risk being labeled an &#039;unruly passenger&#039; a &#039;trouble maker&#039;, with the possibility of getting kicked off the plane and having to answer to the police, or worse, the dreaded Homeland Security. These glorified &#039;attendants&#039; posses way too much power, and they know it. In Coach Class you are automatically considered dirt if you come into any kind of confrontation, automatically, by the attendant and by the authorities. And, counting on your fellow passengers to back you up is a no-starter, we are all under the power of the FEAR FACTOR and I&#039;d be very surprised if a witness would have the courage to step forward to back-up any wrong done to a fellow passenger. If you are in coach, then you do not have any power. YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS! 

THE STINKING WEALTHY will continue to fly First Class and don&#039;t give a damn about those in Coach - and it&#039;s true, they do not want your lower class carry-on touching their Gucci. The filthy stinking rich 2% usually fly on private jets, and in any case care even less. Inequities, mistreatment, rudeness and underhanded ploys to skin an extra buck from Coach Class by the airlines will continue and intensify, without opposition it would seem. Do not doubt, that while the whole real scenario of the airlines seeing us as just a bunch of low-life cattle will never get written in company policy, it is, and we are, in any case, talked about in precisely those terms of derision, behind closed doors.

U.S. AIRLINE COMPANIES ARE OUT OF CONTROL, and it&#039;s only going to get worse. No one seems ready to stop them from simply taking the middle class occasional flyer to the cleaners, &#039;dollar-ing&#039; us to the breaking point. The executives continue to receive huge bonuses and hefty bail-out packages and the wealthy just go, &#039;ho-hum&#039;. So, all of you Coach Class hobo&#039;s can just bite the bullet if you can&#039;t find a way to coalesce in a way that might generate a realistic and comprehensive flyers bill of rights - or, you could try to save up for a First Class ticket. Vent your anger and frustration on blogs and sites such as this if it makes you feel better, but it doesn&#039;t count for spit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND NOW, THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW US with the carry-on. If they get away with it, no doubt other carriers will follow. It is amazing to me that all of you who continue to get screwed, ripped-off and other wise treated like trash, apparently have not been able to see the broader picture of what is happening across the whole breadth and width of mainline commercial aviation. And it&#8217;s our own fault for letting it happen.</p>
<p>IF YOU THINK ABOUT all of the many economic categories which constitute the American flying public, a collage starts to emerge in relation to who complains about a given situation and the degree in which they perceive of, or are in fact being cheated and generally treated badly by not only Spirit Air, but also in every single instance of shoddy treatment with every major U.S. air carrier today. Yes, a segment of our society has &#8220;Walmart mentality&#8221;, but it is certainly small, and most of those folks, I would wager, have very limited resources and of necessity will try to &#8216;save a buck&#8217; when flying is their main, or only, option. Additionally, with todays sorry economy, more and more of us are having to go for the cheapest possible, or not go at all.</p>
<p>GENERALLY, THOUGH, I would think that most of us who fly occasionally are in the majority of, as a guess, 80% of the &#8216;middle class&#8217; flying public. We fly coach for the most part, try to get the cheapest rate but will pay a bit extra as our situation might benefit, e.g. in my own case, I will fly to Europe this year on Iceland Air, even though it takes longer and is a bit higher priced than a more direct flight with Delta ($850 two years ago, now $1100) because, I try to stay away from the Airbus &#8211; &#8220;if it ain&#8217;t Boeing, I ain&#8217;t going&#8221; &#8211; after having been associated with the aviation industry for close to 50 years, I do not trust the Airbus computerized fly-by-wire system (ironic that so much of our U.S. commercial fleet is European built, even our Coast Guard flies mostly French built and has contracted to re-fleet with Spanish built in 2015). Also, Iceland Air personnel are friendly and efficient and the whole experience is generally more pleasant than with any U.S. air carrier I&#8217;ve tried, and that&#8217;s most.</p>
<p>THE MAJORITY OF US FLY HERE AND THERE, the kids off to see Grandma, visit family, take the 3 day special to Vegas, vacation to Paris or Bahamas, on occasion, and mostly coach. We endure the misery and necessity of long lines, security check-in, having to now pay for all checked bags, snotty agents, delays, missed connections, lost bags, ill-mannered flight attendants, little food, over priced on-board drinks, stuffy air and cramped seating, and now soon to pay for carry-on, with talk in the air of charging for restroom use &#8211; where will it end? And for most of us, it&#8217;s not something we do very often, but it&#8217;s a large number of us that comprise that 80%, often or not. </p>
<p>SOME OF US TAKE THE TIME to get on these sites, these blogs, and complain about all of the crap that the airlines dump on us. But only SOME of us, most don&#8217;t. And those that complain here or on other sites could have just as easily sent an email to their reps in Congress or the Senate. We could form better coalitions for flyers rights. There is <a href="http://www.flyersrights.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.flyersrights.org</a> which focuses mainly on &#8216;tarmac delays&#8217; and did help in getting voluntary implementation of minimums &#8211; a real law not getting passed when it was cut off at the knees by the lobbyists &#8211; and in any case reporting and compliance only works with the airlines that wish to provide information for public dissemination. Spirit Air does not participate and is not listed. The main point is, we, the great majority, if we could come together, have the power to initiate laws and regulations and fair treatment policies, past the airline objections and threats of raised fees, past the lobbyists. But we don&#8217;t, and we won&#8217;t, because we are &#8211; too busy, and apathetic. And the airlines and the lobbyists know this. That we are getting screwed, we have only ourselves to blame.</p>
<p>SO, WHILE WE CONTINUE TO WHINE and moan on blog sites and to individual airlines, to no avail, the airlines will continue to pull us around by the short hairs. And make no mistake, no matter how short your short hairs are, they will get you anyway, sooner or later, more and more. Now, with Spirit Air charging for carry-on, it is just one more step in the passenger airlines march towards making air travel even more of an expensive and miserable mode of travel than it now is, and, they don&#8217;t give a hoot &#8211; that is, for most of us, but not all of us&#8230;</p>
<p>FIRST CLASS DON&#8217;T WHINE. Not on these sites in any case. If you take a good look around, as I have, read all of the various complaints about almost every U.S. air carrier, you will not be able to identify a single complaint coming from someone who flew business or first class. Especially first class.  Now, of course those who can afford to travel first class get a much nicer deal &#8211; broad seats, tons of leg room, no charge for food, drinks, pillows &amp; blankets etc., etc., and as well they should for 200 to 300% more than coach class for a ticket. More power to those who can afford it, you get what you pay for and all that. And while this inflated cost must also include an unwritten offer of &#8216;better treatment&#8217;, does that translate into extra deference and pointed individual respect? Of course it does, money talks and those who can afford it are assumed to be not only IN first class, but also OF first class &#8211; they must be better people than the cattle in the back. Ever heard of &#8220;asmallworld.net&#8221;?</p>
<p>I DON&#8217;T WANT TO SOUND LIKE A SOCIALIST, but if you can afford to pay $3700 instead of $1100 for the same flight, then I think you could afford to sue the hell out of an airline if they mistreated you, not to mention how a given wealthy/celebrity/influential individual could affect how poor publicity might come to bear on this. So no matter how hard you look, you won&#8217;t find a First Class complaint posting on any of these sites. Consequently, and unfortunately the conclusion we can take from this is, First Class passengers posses inherent ad hoc rights bestowed by the airline on the basis of real or supposed wealth and/or individual importance &#8211; and not to be confused with the extra amenities of their surroundings, IT&#8217;S PERSONAL. The unfortunate part of this is that those of us in Coach Class are generally assumed to be of Low Class, as least financially, and therefore cannot assume to receive more than a semblance of deference or personal respect as compared to those in First Class. </p>
<p>BEYOND BASIC FEDERAL REGULATIONS, those who fly Coach Class HAVE NO RIGHTS. Take the example of the flight attendant screaming at a mother because her child made too much noise, or hollering at the owner of a dog because it barked once. Think that would happen it they were in First Class? Not on your life. From the moment you step up to the counter to buy a basic Coach Class ticket you are assumed to be in a class not worthy of any more than basic tolerance, bordering intolerance. You do not have enough money and are not important enough to pose a threat due to any airline impositions you may incur. Are the airlines and their personnel deliberately mean, nasty and rude with Coach Class travelers? No, of course not, but in relation to First Class, they don&#8217;t really care all that much, and it happens all too often. Remembering, that beyond the basic rules and regulations of the Government, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS, and very little if any recourse when being treated badly on a personal basis.</p>
<p>FEAR, THE AIRLINE TRUMP CARD, and we all know it&#8217;s there, hovering around us, and if played by some dirt bag flight attendant, big trouble. They can scream at us, ignore us, say rude and unpleasant things, with almost total impunity. But try screaming back at them, try &#8216;making a fuss&#8217;, even if you&#8217;re in the right, and you risk being labeled an &#8216;unruly passenger&#8217; a &#8216;trouble maker&#8217;, with the possibility of getting kicked off the plane and having to answer to the police, or worse, the dreaded Homeland Security. These glorified &#8216;attendants&#8217; posses way too much power, and they know it. In Coach Class you are automatically considered dirt if you come into any kind of confrontation, automatically, by the attendant and by the authorities. And, counting on your fellow passengers to back you up is a no-starter, we are all under the power of the FEAR FACTOR and I&#8217;d be very surprised if a witness would have the courage to step forward to back-up any wrong done to a fellow passenger. If you are in coach, then you do not have any power. YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS! </p>
<p>THE STINKING WEALTHY will continue to fly First Class and don&#8217;t give a damn about those in Coach &#8211; and it&#8217;s true, they do not want your lower class carry-on touching their Gucci. The filthy stinking rich 2% usually fly on private jets, and in any case care even less. Inequities, mistreatment, rudeness and underhanded ploys to skin an extra buck from Coach Class by the airlines will continue and intensify, without opposition it would seem. Do not doubt, that while the whole real scenario of the airlines seeing us as just a bunch of low-life cattle will never get written in company policy, it is, and we are, in any case, talked about in precisely those terms of derision, behind closed doors.</p>
<p>U.S. AIRLINE COMPANIES ARE OUT OF CONTROL, and it&#8217;s only going to get worse. No one seems ready to stop them from simply taking the middle class occasional flyer to the cleaners, &#8216;dollar-ing&#8217; us to the breaking point. The executives continue to receive huge bonuses and hefty bail-out packages and the wealthy just go, &#8216;ho-hum&#8217;. So, all of you Coach Class hobo&#8217;s can just bite the bullet if you can&#8217;t find a way to coalesce in a way that might generate a realistic and comprehensive flyers bill of rights &#8211; or, you could try to save up for a First Class ticket. Vent your anger and frustration on blogs and sites such as this if it makes you feel better, but it doesn&#8217;t count for spit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 02:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, my family and I are going from O&#039;Hare to Ft. Lauderdale. The from Ft. L we are going to the Dominican Rep. We are leaviung on the 27th of july but we&#039;ll be back on the 4th. Do we have to pay the 45$ fee for carry ons? Even though its just for the way back?</description>
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		<title>By: Devin</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/help/spirit-airlines/comment-page-2/#comment-37207</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

Looks like Spirit Airlines has announced that it plans to charge passengers $45 for carry on luggage. They will only get away with it, if you let them.  They will have some reasons about cutting wait times and other nonsense, but if it succeeds all the airlines will follow. Let&#039;s face it, this is a money grab and should be stopped. So start boycotting this airline now.
Happy travels,
devin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>Looks like Spirit Airlines has announced that it plans to charge passengers $45 for carry on luggage. They will only get away with it, if you let them.  They will have some reasons about cutting wait times and other nonsense, but if it succeeds all the airlines will follow. Let&#8217;s face it, this is a money grab and should be stopped. So start boycotting this airline now.<br />
Happy travels,<br />
devin</p>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t let the Scum-Bags (speaking of bags) at Spirit Airlines get away with it! &#124; Airline Nightmare.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t let the Scum-Bags (speaking of bags) at Spirit Airlines get away with it! &#124; Airline Nightmare.com</dc:creator>
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