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	<title>Comments on: Rosetta Stone&#8217;s Adams: World travelers should learn Spanish, Chinese</title>
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		<title>By: Katie, Tripbase</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/first-person/rosetta-stones-adams-world-travelers-should-learn-spanish-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-19292</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie, Tripbase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 15:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I shit Tom Adams - brilliant!

Totally agree that immersion is the only way. Much easier to do this when the standard of English in a country is not so high. So easy just to lapse into English to get your point across. 

Watching foreign TV shows, especially with subtitles, can be a good way of &quot;immersing&quot; yourself in your living room to enhance comprehension skills...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shit Tom Adams &#8211; brilliant!</p>
<p>Totally agree that immersion is the only way. Much easier to do this when the standard of English in a country is not so high. So easy just to lapse into English to get your point across. </p>
<p>Watching foreign TV shows, especially with subtitles, can be a good way of &#8220;immersing&#8221; yourself in your living room to enhance comprehension skills&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 19:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jaspar

The statement that I can afford to exclude a large demographic group is one of the misdirections used by folks who believe that unless we learn spanish we are excluding latinos.  I cerrtainly hope that the two Latino clients I have coming tomorrow at 11:00am for an appointment don&#039;t feel excluded.  They were referred to me by an African American Pastor friend, who is married to a Chinese Hawaiian lady with two biracial children from a previous marriage.  Talk about being their own Benetton commercial.  I&#039;ve also been the General Counsel of a two different business where the founders and CEOs are Latino and are fluent in Spanish. So no, Latinos are not excluded form my business

But you inadvertently made my point.  You state that,

&quot;However, if you have to work in an environment where are lot of your clients or employees speak the same foreign language, you will need to learn that language, or you will be excluded.&quot;


Therefore, the language to learn is not Spanish, but the language of your clients/co-workers.  And that&#039;s my point.  Most of my clients are Chinese or Indian. I have learned about Chinese New Year, Duvali, where the best Dim Sum, in Silicon Valley is, etc

Conversely, when I practiced on the Westside of Los Angeles, with a large Jewish population, the office celebrated Yom Kippur, etc.  When I worked with a Jewish Persian Law Firm, we celebrated Ramadan and Rash Hashana.

The point being is that Spanish is NOT the Holy Grail of multi-culturalism.  In being blessed with an international clientele, you quickly appreciate the fact that having a single unifying language that transcends race, religion, or ethnicity  is truly the Holy Grail of multiculturalism.

Don&#039;t get be wrong.  I&#039;m all for learning a second language if time and desire are there.  Its just that the reality of day to day US life is that its not a big deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jaspar</p>
<p>The statement that I can afford to exclude a large demographic group is one of the misdirections used by folks who believe that unless we learn spanish we are excluding latinos.  I cerrtainly hope that the two Latino clients I have coming tomorrow at 11:00am for an appointment don&#8217;t feel excluded.  They were referred to me by an African American Pastor friend, who is married to a Chinese Hawaiian lady with two biracial children from a previous marriage.  Talk about being their own Benetton commercial.  I&#8217;ve also been the General Counsel of a two different business where the founders and CEOs are Latino and are fluent in Spanish. So no, Latinos are not excluded form my business</p>
<p>But you inadvertently made my point.  You state that,</p>
<p>&#8220;However, if you have to work in an environment where are lot of your clients or employees speak the same foreign language, you will need to learn that language, or you will be excluded.&#8221;</p>
<p>Therefore, the language to learn is not Spanish, but the language of your clients/co-workers.  And that&#8217;s my point.  Most of my clients are Chinese or Indian. I have learned about Chinese New Year, Duvali, where the best Dim Sum, in Silicon Valley is, etc</p>
<p>Conversely, when I practiced on the Westside of Los Angeles, with a large Jewish population, the office celebrated Yom Kippur, etc.  When I worked with a Jewish Persian Law Firm, we celebrated Ramadan and Rash Hashana.</p>
<p>The point being is that Spanish is NOT the Holy Grail of multi-culturalism.  In being blessed with an international clientele, you quickly appreciate the fact that having a single unifying language that transcends race, religion, or ethnicity  is truly the Holy Grail of multiculturalism.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get be wrong.  I&#8217;m all for learning a second language if time and desire are there.  Its just that the reality of day to day US life is that its not a big deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 16:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Carver: You can apparently afford to exclude certain demographic groups. A long time ago though, large national companies have decided they can&#039;t (oprima dos). I agree that you can&#039;t learn every single language spoken in a multicultural country like the US. However, you will see that your clients who did learn a foreign language did better than their countrymen that didn&#039;t. For instance, because they are able to use the wonderful service of your business.

English is still by far the dominant language in this country. So, you can perfectly manage with only English. However, if you have to work in an environment where are lot of your clients or employees speak the same foreign language, you will need to learn that language, or you will be excluded.

Latinos currently do a lot of the &quot;dirty&quot; work. Cleaning, construction, etc. If you work in that area, you will be a better employee, boss, merchant, friend and neighbor if you speak Spanish. If you business is in Chinatown, you&#039;d better learn Chinese.

More and more immigrant children are growing up in bilingual families. They will be better prepared for the multicultural world they will live in than kids growing up monolingual.

I strongly believe that immigrants need to learn the local language. However, a country will only head for trouble if it makes language an issue of pride, arrogance or exclusion. Again, see Canada, Belgium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carver: You can apparently afford to exclude certain demographic groups. A long time ago though, large national companies have decided they can&#8217;t (oprima dos). I agree that you can&#8217;t learn every single language spoken in a multicultural country like the US. However, you will see that your clients who did learn a foreign language did better than their countrymen that didn&#8217;t. For instance, because they are able to use the wonderful service of your business.</p>
<p>English is still by far the dominant language in this country. So, you can perfectly manage with only English. However, if you have to work in an environment where are lot of your clients or employees speak the same foreign language, you will need to learn that language, or you will be excluded.</p>
<p>Latinos currently do a lot of the &#8220;dirty&#8221; work. Cleaning, construction, etc. If you work in that area, you will be a better employee, boss, merchant, friend and neighbor if you speak Spanish. If you business is in Chinatown, you&#8217;d better learn Chinese.</p>
<p>More and more immigrant children are growing up in bilingual families. They will be better prepared for the multicultural world they will live in than kids growing up monolingual.</p>
<p>I strongly believe that immigrants need to learn the local language. However, a country will only head for trouble if it makes language an issue of pride, arrogance or exclusion. Again, see Canada, Belgium.</p>
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		<title>By: Luxury Holidays in Thailand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luxury Holidays in Thailand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 12:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that there is no better feeling than putting in the time and effort and conversing with somebody in their native tongue, especially when they really don&#039;t expect you to. It really is a must if you plan to travel extensively off the beaten track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there is no better feeling than putting in the time and effort and conversing with somebody in their native tongue, especially when they really don&#8217;t expect you to. It really is a must if you plan to travel extensively off the beaten track.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 02:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jaspar

I understand your point, although I respectfully disagree.  The reason for the fractous relation in other countries is that they don&#039;t have a common language that everyone speaks. 

Truthfully, No. I am not that concerned with what is happening in the latino media.  There are numerous ethnic groups here in California and I see no reason to pick one over the other.

Speaking for myself, most of my clients are Chinese or Indian. So I keep up with the happenings there.  I used to work for a Persian law firm when I lived in LA, so i kept up with the Persian happenings.

I just spend the weekend with an client from Egypt discussing his perspective as a Christian growing up in an Islamic country.

My point is that your statement about learning all the languages is not true.  I live in SIlicon Valley.  Just amongst my own clients, I would have to learn Mandarin, Cantonese, Hindi, Spanish, Farsi, Arabic, Italian, Greek, and Russian just within the past year.  Why should I prefer one language over the other.  

I have a better idea.  Why don&#039;t we all learn English so we can all communicate with each other.  Wait, my clients already did that... *smile*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jaspar</p>
<p>I understand your point, although I respectfully disagree.  The reason for the fractous relation in other countries is that they don&#8217;t have a common language that everyone speaks. </p>
<p>Truthfully, No. I am not that concerned with what is happening in the latino media.  There are numerous ethnic groups here in California and I see no reason to pick one over the other.</p>
<p>Speaking for myself, most of my clients are Chinese or Indian. So I keep up with the happenings there.  I used to work for a Persian law firm when I lived in LA, so i kept up with the Persian happenings.</p>
<p>I just spend the weekend with an client from Egypt discussing his perspective as a Christian growing up in an Islamic country.</p>
<p>My point is that your statement about learning all the languages is not true.  I live in SIlicon Valley.  Just amongst my own clients, I would have to learn Mandarin, Cantonese, Hindi, Spanish, Farsi, Arabic, Italian, Greek, and Russian just within the past year.  Why should I prefer one language over the other.  </p>
<p>I have a better idea.  Why don&#8217;t we all learn English so we can all communicate with each other.  Wait, my clients already did that&#8230; *smile*</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I follow the Steve Martin method of speaking the language of a country you are visiting...For instance, if you are in France, speak the english words in a french accent, &quot;I Waaahhnt togo to zee Hoe-Tell!&quot;
Or if you want to order breakfast, Moo like a cow (milk), cluck like a chicken (eggs), Oink like a pig (bacon) and make a wringing motion with your hands (orange juice) 

Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I follow the Steve Martin method of speaking the language of a country you are visiting&#8230;For instance, if you are in France, speak the english words in a french accent, &#8220;I Waaahhnt togo to zee Hoe-Tell!&#8221;<br />
Or if you want to order breakfast, Moo like a cow (milk), cluck like a chicken (eggs), Oink like a pig (bacon) and make a wringing motion with your hands (orange juice) </p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Carver: I didn&#039;t say you need it. I said you want to know it. Do you never wonder what&#039;s on on Telemundo and Univision? Don&#039;t you want to be able to listen to the many Mega96.7s and Sun104.1s, because they broadcast cool music? Don&#039;t you want your kids to be able to understand their latino school buddies?

I remember a moment on MSNBC a year or so ago, when all those immigration demonstrations were going on. I think it was Chris Matthews who remarked that he was very surprised to see the massive turn-out, to which MSNBCs &quot;Latino-immigration Expert&quot; replied: &quot;Well, Chris, don&#039;t you follow the any Spanish media in the US? There hasn&#039;t been another subject on for the last month&quot;.

Two things are important here:
1) It&#039;s true that most Americans have no clue what goes on in the Latino-culture in their own country
2) MSNBC needs a latino to report on latino business, not only because the press corps doesn&#039;t speak Spanish, but also apparently, because the press corps doesn&#039;t know the latino media exist. Kinda weird, if you realize that MSNBC&#039;s owner also owns Telemundo.

This is why Americans need to learn Spanish. You can not be a united country if you don&#039;t speak all langauges that are dominant in your country. Check Canada and Belgium. Switzerland is the only who pulls it off, but that&#039;s because every Swiss is fluent in German, French and most likely a third language.

Shall I? It&#039;s too easy... So cheesy. But here we go: It&#039;s a matter of national security that Americans learn Spanish!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carver: I didn&#8217;t say you need it. I said you want to know it. Do you never wonder what&#8217;s on on Telemundo and Univision? Don&#8217;t you want to be able to listen to the many Mega96.7s and Sun104.1s, because they broadcast cool music? Don&#8217;t you want your kids to be able to understand their latino school buddies?</p>
<p>I remember a moment on MSNBC a year or so ago, when all those immigration demonstrations were going on. I think it was Chris Matthews who remarked that he was very surprised to see the massive turn-out, to which MSNBCs &#8220;Latino-immigration Expert&#8221; replied: &#8220;Well, Chris, don&#8217;t you follow the any Spanish media in the US? There hasn&#8217;t been another subject on for the last month&#8221;.</p>
<p>Two things are important here:<br />
1) It&#8217;s true that most Americans have no clue what goes on in the Latino-culture in their own country<br />
2) MSNBC needs a latino to report on latino business, not only because the press corps doesn&#8217;t speak Spanish, but also apparently, because the press corps doesn&#8217;t know the latino media exist. Kinda weird, if you realize that MSNBC&#8217;s owner also owns Telemundo.</p>
<p>This is why Americans need to learn Spanish. You can not be a united country if you don&#8217;t speak all langauges that are dominant in your country. Check Canada and Belgium. Switzerland is the only who pulls it off, but that&#8217;s because every Swiss is fluent in German, French and most likely a third language.</p>
<p>Shall I? It&#8217;s too easy&#8230; So cheesy. But here we go: It&#8217;s a matter of national security that Americans learn Spanish!</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that learning another language can be very rewarding.  But for good or bad, America is not heading towards being a Spanish speaking nation.  Living in California for the past 20+ years, the reality is that the average non-Spanish speaking person had litle need to learn Spanish over any other language.   Like other  posters have said, English predominates such that with a good grasp of English, any other language, is far secondary, particularly at home in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that learning another language can be very rewarding.  But for good or bad, America is not heading towards being a Spanish speaking nation.  Living in California for the past 20+ years, the reality is that the average non-Spanish speaking person had litle need to learn Spanish over any other language.   Like other  posters have said, English predominates such that with a good grasp of English, any other language, is far secondary, particularly at home in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 13:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree that people who use a phrase book don&#039;t get very far. If you go and live somewhere, you need to learn a language. However for travelers, phrase books are very useful, especially if you try and get a bit further than page 1. Being able to just say: Hello, good morning/afternoon/evening/night/bye, excuse me, thank you, here you are, how much is this, I am from ..., sorry, I don&#039;t speak your language very well; is very helpful. Many travelers don&#039;t have the time to immerse themselves in a foreign language.

The other thing that always strikes me about knowing more than one language, is that you learn about the culture of your own language. Especially when you get to the point where to discover that another language may not differentiate between two words of your own language, or when you discover that another language has two words for something you didn&#039;t know could be interpreted twofold. Think of the proverbial 69 Eskimo-words for snow. Or when you discover that certain expressions are simply impossible to translate.

That said, Americans should learn another language, preferably Spanish. Most kids that are growing up now, will mature in a country that has a dominant Spanish population. It is important that everybody can take part of that culture. Or, more cynically: you do want to be able to talk to your neighbors, and construction folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that people who use a phrase book don&#8217;t get very far. If you go and live somewhere, you need to learn a language. However for travelers, phrase books are very useful, especially if you try and get a bit further than page 1. Being able to just say: Hello, good morning/afternoon/evening/night/bye, excuse me, thank you, here you are, how much is this, I am from &#8230;, sorry, I don&#8217;t speak your language very well; is very helpful. Many travelers don&#8217;t have the time to immerse themselves in a foreign language.</p>
<p>The other thing that always strikes me about knowing more than one language, is that you learn about the culture of your own language. Especially when you get to the point where to discover that another language may not differentiate between two words of your own language, or when you discover that another language has two words for something you didn&#8217;t know could be interpreted twofold. Think of the proverbial 69 Eskimo-words for snow. Or when you discover that certain expressions are simply impossible to translate.</p>
<p>That said, Americans should learn another language, preferably Spanish. Most kids that are growing up now, will mature in a country that has a dominant Spanish population. It is important that everybody can take part of that culture. Or, more cynically: you do want to be able to talk to your neighbors, and construction folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, you don&#039;t have to speak perfectly to be understood. Knowing just a little will get you far. Also, once one language is mastered, somehow, the others will come easier. So it is always nice to learn one, in the younger years. Doesn&#039;t matter which language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, you don&#8217;t have to speak perfectly to be understood. Knowing just a little will get you far. Also, once one language is mastered, somehow, the others will come easier. So it is always nice to learn one, in the younger years. Doesn&#8217;t matter which language.</p>
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