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	<title>Comments on: Delta&#8217;s Cantarutti: &#8220;We don’t have to choose to be profitable versus having happy customers &#8230; we can do both&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Carter Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carter Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t suffer from the new vagaries of domestic US airline travel everyday since moving to the UK.  Instead, I faces with a whole new set of interesteting obstacles which are out of the airlines hands such as taxation and aging infrastructure. 

What did catch my eye, is Cantarutti saying &quot;The entire industry has moved towards these “a la carte fees,&quot; which is clearly flawed and very US-Centric view of a global business- one which Delta likes to see itself as a big player in.  While he may have intended his comments for domestic consumption, US carriers do not traditionally in my opinion do well with originating market traffic from international destinations- instead relying on 80 US O/D traffic to make up the bulk of their business.

Why? In my view there are many interesting differences between US and other world carriers.   While BA is giving in to the US a la carte LCC model in a bid to stay alive, others still offer varying levels of service for a fixed price.

Setting aside our largest LCCs like Ryanair, Air AsiaX, and EasyJet, in Europe and Asia many carriers still offer the full service price, even in the economy cabin.  Airlines like SWISS, Virgin, Lufthansa, JAL, Singapore, and Thai still offer high levels of service for a single price.  Admittedly, some of those names have suffered terrible losses lately, but those are less about operational cabin-service items and more about the network and structural issues.

As a hard core &quot;wing warrior&quot; with over 500K under my belt this year, I would take a variety of European airlines vs. US carrier trans-atlantically any day.  I hope that this a la carte experience does not spread further into the industry on this side of the pond, but I have my doubts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t suffer from the new vagaries of domestic US airline travel everyday since moving to the UK.  Instead, I faces with a whole new set of interesteting obstacles which are out of the airlines hands such as taxation and aging infrastructure. </p>
<p>What did catch my eye, is Cantarutti saying &#8220;The entire industry has moved towards these “a la carte fees,&#8221; which is clearly flawed and very US-Centric view of a global business- one which Delta likes to see itself as a big player in.  While he may have intended his comments for domestic consumption, US carriers do not traditionally in my opinion do well with originating market traffic from international destinations- instead relying on 80 US O/D traffic to make up the bulk of their business.</p>
<p>Why? In my view there are many interesting differences between US and other world carriers.   While BA is giving in to the US a la carte LCC model in a bid to stay alive, others still offer varying levels of service for a fixed price.</p>
<p>Setting aside our largest LCCs like Ryanair, Air AsiaX, and EasyJet, in Europe and Asia many carriers still offer the full service price, even in the economy cabin.  Airlines like SWISS, Virgin, Lufthansa, JAL, Singapore, and Thai still offer high levels of service for a single price.  Admittedly, some of those names have suffered terrible losses lately, but those are less about operational cabin-service items and more about the network and structural issues.</p>
<p>As a hard core &#8220;wing warrior&#8221; with over 500K under my belt this year, I would take a variety of European airlines vs. US carrier trans-atlantically any day.  I hope that this a la carte experience does not spread further into the industry on this side of the pond, but I have my doubts.</p>
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		<title>By: Rae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The merger with Northwest has made Delta a stronger carrier in a number of areas.&quot;

Our home airport is TRI, a small regional facility. Since the merger of Northwest and Delta we have lost all flights to Memphis and Detroit (the former Northwest hubs) and will be losing all service to Cincinnati in a few months. That leaves our airport only with direct flights to Atlanta, Charlotte, and whatever Florida destinations Allegiant is serving in any given week. That&#039;s great customer service! Thanks, Delta! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The merger with Northwest has made Delta a stronger carrier in a number of areas.&#8221;</p>
<p>Our home airport is TRI, a small regional facility. Since the merger of Northwest and Delta we have lost all flights to Memphis and Detroit (the former Northwest hubs) and will be losing all service to Cincinnati in a few months. That leaves our airport only with direct flights to Atlanta, Charlotte, and whatever Florida destinations Allegiant is serving in any given week. That&#8217;s great customer service! Thanks, Delta!</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must be flying a different Delta, because I&#039;ve flown 63 flights on my Delta this year, many of them between two troublesome airports, ATL and LGA, and I haven&#039;t had any problems whatsoever.  The merger has been mostly invisible to me, customer service has been good, the in-air product has improved, and they&#039;re working on better technology.  I appreciate your interview, Chris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be flying a different Delta, because I&#8217;ve flown 63 flights on my Delta this year, many of them between two troublesome airports, ATL and LGA, and I haven&#8217;t had any problems whatsoever.  The merger has been mostly invisible to me, customer service has been good, the in-air product has improved, and they&#8217;re working on better technology.  I appreciate your interview, Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: Shari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems as though there is a disconnect between the on-the-ground personnel vs. Mr. Cantarutti.  I&#039;m sure he&#039;s flown on his airline, and I bet that he&#039;s gotten exemplary service.  I imagine that he gets glowing reports of how customer service is good and prices are improving.  However, if Mr. Cantarutti were to see the airline from an outsider&#039;s point of view, he would see it badly lacking. Their gate attendants are zombies at best and obnoxious at worst.  The flight attendants are consistently worse than other airlines (which is impressive, at least when you&#039;re comparing Delta to other legacy airlines).  Their lounges aren&#039;t any better than the public waiting areas.  And they&#039;re terrible when it comes to add-on charges.   My last flight with Delta, about 2 months ago now, will be my last for the foreseeable future.  I&#039;m more than willing to pay more to fly with another carrier if it means I don&#039;t have to worry about flying Delta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems as though there is a disconnect between the on-the-ground personnel vs. Mr. Cantarutti.  I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s flown on his airline, and I bet that he&#8217;s gotten exemplary service.  I imagine that he gets glowing reports of how customer service is good and prices are improving.  However, if Mr. Cantarutti were to see the airline from an outsider&#8217;s point of view, he would see it badly lacking. Their gate attendants are zombies at best and obnoxious at worst.  The flight attendants are consistently worse than other airlines (which is impressive, at least when you&#8217;re comparing Delta to other legacy airlines).  Their lounges aren&#8217;t any better than the public waiting areas.  And they&#8217;re terrible when it comes to add-on charges.   My last flight with Delta, about 2 months ago now, will be my last for the foreseeable future.  I&#8217;m more than willing to pay more to fly with another carrier if it means I don&#8217;t have to worry about flying Delta.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Separately from the complaints above about fees and quality of service, I&#039;d like to point out the inherent BS in Cantarutti&#039;s line about nonrefundable fees. The suggestion seems to be that the fact that seats on a flight are perishable (they can&#039;t be sold once the flight takes off) governs the cost of the tickets. Which is nonsensical, because that would mean that when seats were purchased well in advance, when they&#039;re &quot;fresh&quot; and you can guarantee availability, prices would be highest, while seats at the last minute, about to &quot;perish&quot;, would go for any reasonable sum that at least covered the basic costs, just to move them. In fact, I can remember when that was the approach, more or less.

Instead, last-minute fares are the highest. Why? Not because of &quot;perishability&quot;; because the airline knows that most people flying last-minute are businesspeople who will pay whatever it takes to go when they need to go.

Meanwhile, the objection to refunding/changing advance-purchase fares is explained as though that early-purchaser had deprived another potential passenger of that seat until the last minute, with the late &quot;return&quot; of the seat to inventory meaning it goes unsold. Again,a crock; the only flights I&#039;ve flown in the last ten years that were 100% full were on Southwest, which has no change fees and all fares are fully applicable to future travel; every flight on a legacy carrier had anywhere from 20 to 50% of the seats empty, meaning nobody who really wanted on that flight was kept from traveling, other than by the rapacious pricing levied on last-minute travelers.

I&#039;m not suggesting airline fares be regulated - I&#039;m just saying they should be honest with their pricing strategies, which are: We charge as much for the seat (and for everything else that&#039;s not bolted down) as we think we can get away with. Interviewers who allow industry figures to spout such nonsense as &quot;These rules are important because the product we sell is a perishable one, meaning that once a flight has taken off we can no longer sell those specific seats to that destination.&quot;  At least he was moderately more honest when he said &quot;The amount of risk the passenger is comfortable with in the unfortunate event that their plans change needs to be considered when they purchase various fare types&quot; - translated slightly, he means &quot;You can get a cheap fare if you&#039;re absolutely certain nothing, including acts of God, Mother Nature, or anything else beyond your control will cause you to need to change your plans; otherwise, you should pay through the nose for the refundable type, because otherwise we&#039;re going to screw you with so much in change fees and fare differentials you&#039;ll wish you&#039;d never heard of advance purchase.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Separately from the complaints above about fees and quality of service, I&#8217;d like to point out the inherent BS in Cantarutti&#8217;s line about nonrefundable fees. The suggestion seems to be that the fact that seats on a flight are perishable (they can&#8217;t be sold once the flight takes off) governs the cost of the tickets. Which is nonsensical, because that would mean that when seats were purchased well in advance, when they&#8217;re &#8220;fresh&#8221; and you can guarantee availability, prices would be highest, while seats at the last minute, about to &#8220;perish&#8221;, would go for any reasonable sum that at least covered the basic costs, just to move them. In fact, I can remember when that was the approach, more or less.</p>
<p>Instead, last-minute fares are the highest. Why? Not because of &#8220;perishability&#8221;; because the airline knows that most people flying last-minute are businesspeople who will pay whatever it takes to go when they need to go.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the objection to refunding/changing advance-purchase fares is explained as though that early-purchaser had deprived another potential passenger of that seat until the last minute, with the late &#8220;return&#8221; of the seat to inventory meaning it goes unsold. Again,a crock; the only flights I&#8217;ve flown in the last ten years that were 100% full were on Southwest, which has no change fees and all fares are fully applicable to future travel; every flight on a legacy carrier had anywhere from 20 to 50% of the seats empty, meaning nobody who really wanted on that flight was kept from traveling, other than by the rapacious pricing levied on last-minute travelers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting airline fares be regulated &#8211; I&#8217;m just saying they should be honest with their pricing strategies, which are: We charge as much for the seat (and for everything else that&#8217;s not bolted down) as we think we can get away with. Interviewers who allow industry figures to spout such nonsense as &#8220;These rules are important because the product we sell is a perishable one, meaning that once a flight has taken off we can no longer sell those specific seats to that destination.&#8221;  At least he was moderately more honest when he said &#8220;The amount of risk the passenger is comfortable with in the unfortunate event that their plans change needs to be considered when they purchase various fare types&#8221; &#8211; translated slightly, he means &#8220;You can get a cheap fare if you&#8217;re absolutely certain nothing, including acts of God, Mother Nature, or anything else beyond your control will cause you to need to change your plans; otherwise, you should pay through the nose for the refundable type, because otherwise we&#8217;re going to screw you with so much in change fees and fare differentials you&#8217;ll wish you&#8217;d never heard of advance purchase.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kwok chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwok chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the merger help us at all. I noticed that they increased the frequent mileage for an award ticket after the merger of Delta and NWA. The round trip from MIA to HKG was asked for 90,000 to 120,000 miles instead of 60,000 last years or before the merger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the merger help us at all. I noticed that they increased the frequent mileage for an award ticket after the merger of Delta and NWA. The round trip from MIA to HKG was asked for 90,000 to 120,000 miles instead of 60,000 last years or before the merger.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the article an interesting read.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the article an interesting read.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a CROCK OF B.S. I can&#039;t believe you sat there and let this guy shovel bucket loads of sunshine up your ass. Delta used to provide consistant service until their &quot;No Waiver/No Favor&quot; mentality came into their corporate culture and the arrogant attitude of NW only made it worse. Go ahead and live in Delta&#039;s La La Land, we the traveling public know better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a CROCK OF B.S. I can&#8217;t believe you sat there and let this guy shovel bucket loads of sunshine up your ass. Delta used to provide consistant service until their &#8220;No Waiver/No Favor&#8221; mentality came into their corporate culture and the arrogant attitude of NW only made it worse. Go ahead and live in Delta&#8217;s La La Land, we the traveling public know better.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to hear his explanation as to why I had to wait at PVD on 10/19 for nearly 2.5 hours for a late flight because they decided to change equipment without realizing the crew selected was not cleared on the new equipment. I&#039;d also like to know why only ONE gate agent was there to change everyone&#039;s connections and why passengers (many elderly) were forced to stand in line for over 2 hours for said connection changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to hear his explanation as to why I had to wait at PVD on 10/19 for nearly 2.5 hours for a late flight because they decided to change equipment without realizing the crew selected was not cleared on the new equipment. I&#8217;d also like to know why only ONE gate agent was there to change everyone&#8217;s connections and why passengers (many elderly) were forced to stand in line for over 2 hours for said connection changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Ruh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Ruh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a big fan of the &quot;fees for everything&quot; approach by Delta and other airlines.  And ... no ... it is not true that the &quot;entire industry&quot; has moved to a la carte fees.  And, at the same time, he can say that &quot;fares are at all-time lows&quot; (gee ... let&#039;s talk about costs ... not just fares).

Even if it was true that the &quot;entire industry&quot; has moved to a la carte fees (isn&#039;t Southwest in this industry?) ... how is matching the inane (in my opinion) approach of continually reaching into your passengers wallets for every little thing classified as being competitive ... why not try to have a competitive advantage?  Isn&#039;t that what competition is about ... what makes you different (and hopefully better) from the competition ... not how much you can match the other players in your industry???

And, airlines might make me feel a little better (however slight) if they would, at a minimum, refund the baggage fees if they do not deliver your baggage in good condition and on the same plane as you.  In a recent occurrence of a baggage problem, I had to beg Delta with numerous e-mails just to get a voucher for a discount toward a future flight (which I may never use since I am still not happy with Delta) ... it should not be that way!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a big fan of the &#8220;fees for everything&#8221; approach by Delta and other airlines.  And &#8230; no &#8230; it is not true that the &#8220;entire industry&#8221; has moved to a la carte fees.  And, at the same time, he can say that &#8220;fares are at all-time lows&#8221; (gee &#8230; let&#8217;s talk about costs &#8230; not just fares).</p>
<p>Even if it was true that the &#8220;entire industry&#8221; has moved to a la carte fees (isn&#8217;t Southwest in this industry?) &#8230; how is matching the inane (in my opinion) approach of continually reaching into your passengers wallets for every little thing classified as being competitive &#8230; why not try to have a competitive advantage?  Isn&#8217;t that what competition is about &#8230; what makes you different (and hopefully better) from the competition &#8230; not how much you can match the other players in your industry???</p>
<p>And, airlines might make me feel a little better (however slight) if they would, at a minimum, refund the baggage fees if they do not deliver your baggage in good condition and on the same plane as you.  In a recent occurrence of a baggage problem, I had to beg Delta with numerous e-mails just to get a voucher for a discount toward a future flight (which I may never use since I am still not happy with Delta) &#8230; it should not be that way!!</p>
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		<title>By: Travel-Writers-Exchange.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travel-Writers-Exchange.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s possible for airlines to be profitable and have happy customers.  Why wouldn&#039;t airlines want happy customers?  Happy customers equal profits :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible for airlines to be profitable and have happy customers.  Why wouldn&#8217;t airlines want happy customers?  Happy customers equal profits :)</p>
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