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Deloitte’s Simonetto: “It’s easy to view this as the big, bad airline taking advantage of travelers”

September 18, 2009

Deloitte.Mike SimonettoMike Simonetto is the principal and global leader of Deloitte Consulting’s pricing and profitability practice. With airlines and other travel companies testing our willingness to pay fees, I wanted to ask a pricing expert like him why travel companies were doing this and where it’s all headed.

How did unbundling and a la carte pricing get started in travel?

It’s easy to view this as the big bad airline taking advantage of the travelers.

This is an extension of revenue management. I should define revenue management for you: Travel companies have high fixed asset costs. You’re trying to use those assets as much as possible. For example, a hotel room is a time-perishable product. If it doesn’t get rented this evening, it will never be able to get rented again. So any revenue is better than none. That’s revenue management, and that that originated with American Airlines 30 years ago.


When you unbundle a price, and start selling it a la carte, does that increase profits? By how much can you raise earnings through upselling?

To give you any number would be misleading. It could literally be one dollar to a million dollars. There are such disparities.

But you won’t lose money?

You should at least increase profit, or compensate for fluctuating margins that are driven by other factors, like fuel.

Travelers do not seem happy about unbundling. They complain that the price they have to pay isn’t the price that was first displayed. How much of an issue is this for businesses that are unbundling their prices?

You have to weigh every unbundling decision against the consumer reaction. There’s a strategic payoff. One of these companies takes a step, and everyone quickly follows. Whoever does it first gets slapped around, but then they all follow.

My assumption is that American Airlines looked at its decision to start charging for the first checked bag from a strategic position, and said the benefits outweigh the negatives.

Is there an ethical way to unbundle a fare, in your opinion? Can you think of a business that’s done it right?

I think you’ve seen unbundling in the telecom industry. Basically, when you can better match what you’re offering to what you want.

Cable TV is an industry that should, but won’t. I watch five channels. But in order to get them, I have to buy this huge bundle. I would much prefer to pay for just those five channels. I would probably pay a premium for it. But my choices are limited.

Is there a wrong way to do it?

Yes. Unbundling arbitrarily, and with no advanced warning. Also, when you do it without laying out the logic.

Another mistake is ignoring customer segmentation – not taking into account what your customers do for your business. On some customers, you’ll never make money. You can charge them for luggage, and drinks and to recycle the cabin air – and you’ll never make money from them.

It’s all about doing this with complete information. Across-the-board changes don’t work.

Is there a better way for the travel industry to charge for its products a la carte?

Hidden charges are not something I would recommend. When you surprise customers with charges, you’re driving them away.

There also has to be something for the consumer. The fees need to be logical, they need to make sense. The changes need to be consistent, at least in the way they treat their segments. It has to be fair.

There are those who say the government should begin regulating the way travel companies quote their prices, particularly airlines. In your opinion, what kind of regulation would make sense – if any?

Regulations are important, but enforcement is another. I think there’s something required there, but how can any law be enacted and effectively be enforced? Enforcement is everything.

We’ve already seen “zero” fares in other countries, where fares are said to be free, but other items like taxes, fuel surcharges, reservations and luggage, are then added to the ticket. Is this where we’re headed? Is that where we’re headed?

It depends. There’s a point of view coming out, that myself and some partners have written about, that deals precisely with this issue.

How do you deal with “free”? What if you were given your car for free, but you could only get gas from one type of gas station. It’s out-of-the-box thinking.

Free is not necessarily bad. If you think of the comp model in Vegas, you’re getting the room for free, but [the resort is] making money from gambling.

All this needs to be laid out up front. No surprises after I hit the “book” button. Here’s what free really means.

Why do travel companies continue to surprise their customers with fees? Is there a benefit to “gotcha” charges?

I’m sure there are people who say, “Oh, that $20 resort fee is immaterial.” There’s a mathematical model that can be run, that can determine what will not matter to the customer.

So fees are a factor of a surprise algorithm. That’s interesting. Can we even rely on a fixed price anymore?

In the future, everything may be a negotiation. If I have to price match, then I, as a business, have to be somewhere different on the cost.

For customers who learn to operate in the information age, this will be the way of doing business. The others will get scammed. There will be a a segment of society that will be cut off and always pay a premium, because they don’t have access to the information.

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19 comments

  • frostysnowman

    I go to Sarasota, FL 4-5 times per year for business, for many years now. The airfare is always about the same. My airfare has not come down since the airlines started “unbundling” their fees and charging for checked baggage – I end up paying $30-40 more per trip. If they were truly unbundling airfare, fares would have gone down to make up for the option of paying to check a biag. This guy did nothing but dance around Chris’ questions and give a lot of ridiculous non-answers.

  • Aaron Gold

    Holy apologist, Batman!

  • Jimlt

    Agree. It was just a lot of double talk without any real justification. I like his answer about the cable companies and how he would “much prefer to pay for just those five channels. I would probably pay a premium for it.” So…. he would be willing to pay more the ability to just watch 5 channels rather than having the whole package? Riiiiight…..

  • Ian

    I think his answers are quite sensible… not exactly the ones I’d quite like to hear… but the simple fact of the matter is that the airlines are making money from the unbundling and the consumers aren’t staying away- it is a total no-brainer for them. For all the harrumphing about baggage fees (the fee which really annoys me) there hasn’t been the mass exodus to Southwest that would indicate that consumers are voting with their feet. Maybe some leisure travellers now book on Southwest, but airlines never found them profitable anyway.

  • Bonnie

    Easy, and correct.

  • Victor Ozols

    I understood what Simonetto meant with his cable TV analogy, but the gist of the rest of his comments seems to be: a la carte pricing is here to stay. Deal with it. This much is true. What he fails to mention is the weird fact that the airlines have finally succeeded in redefining what the product they’re selling actually is. There was a time when a “$300 flight to Florida” included round trip transportation, (most) fees, checked luggage, a meal, drinks, and an exit row seat if you were lucky. Now that number nominally represents a one-way base fare that will in no way resemble the amount you’ll actually pay to get to Disney World. I can’t fight the trend, but I can call it what it is, which is muddying the water and deliberately making the pricing more arcane, because customer confusion equals higher revenues. They must have taken a lesson from the cell phone industry playbook, where the more Byzantine your pricing system is, the more money you can suck out of customer pockets. This is a fantasy, but just once I’d like to see an airline turn this trend on its head and publish no-B.S., all-inclusive fares where the amount they advertise is the exact amount of money you’ll be charged. For that, I’d pay a premium, and it would certainly be a unique selling point. Somebody get Richard Branson on the phone.

  • http://www.GlobalTradeAdvisory.com Don

    I find his comments “spot on” – it is done because it makes economic sense to someone at the carrier – usually the person who came up with the idea, and the ‘breaking point’ calculation that each carrier makes to determine how much they can charge before customers turn to other alternatives. Vote with your wallet and fly a different carrier.
    I am concerned about his statement “For customers who learn to operate in the information age, this will be the way of doing business. The others will get scammed. There will be a a segment of society that will be cut off and always pay a premium, because they don’t have access to the information.”
    “Others will get scammed” is a problem and a potential litigation point for the carriers.

  • David Z

    If anything, comments here reflect how some people “feel” about it, inspite of the so-called explanations. IMHO the stickiest part is “when you do it without laying out the logic”, because you’ll always have people who either really won’t get why you’re doing it or just don’t like it still.

    One could see he’s an apologist. But I honestly don’t because he’s giving it as straight as possible, yet in a way we can try to possibly understand.

    We just happen not to like it, anyway.

  • KF

    Talk about tap-dancing around an issue. I guess ‘unbundling’ is the new excuse for not reducing fees now that fuel prices have fallen – at least that’s the excuse the airlines were making last summer for all their new fees, particularly the baggage fees and removing things like A/V systems and pillows

    Although I travel light, the baggage fee is an annoyance for several reasons – 1) More people are now attempting to carry on over-sized bags and airline personnel are not routinely enforcing size or quantity limits (and people are also attempting to get their bag gate-checked for free), overfilling the overhead bins, impacting safety and boarding times and generally annoying those who do follow the rules. 2) Paying the fee does not guarantee the bag will show up when and where you do (except for Alaska offering refunds) or the airline or TSA not going through your luggage and removing items.

  • Stephen

    Frostysnowman hit the nail on the head. The cleverest thing the airlines have done is call “added fees” by the friendlier term “unbundling”, which makes it sound like a benefit. Unfortunately, this misnomer is now accepted, and continued use of it must make the airline marketing departments happy.

    The telecom comparison is interesting. We all know that as “nickel and dime-ing”, where fees are less than $5; but with the airlines, it is hard to call $50-$150 fees “nickel and dime-ing”.

  • David Z

    This is a fantasy, but just once I’d like to see an airline turn this trend on its head and publish no-B.S., all-inclusive fares where the amount they advertise is the exact amount of money you’ll be charged.

    Currently Frontier Airlines is doing this as Chris blogged about before.

  • Alan Nimby

    You go to the cinema.
    Buy some popcorn. Sign says Small Popcorn $2.00
    “I’ll have a small popcorn, please.”
    That’ll be $2.00 please
    Plus $0.30 for the butter
    Plus $0.10 for the salt
    Plus $0.25 for the bag
    Plus $0.30 tax
    Total price $2.95
    Revenue management.

  • Continuum

    Why go to a man who makes his living off consultation to the airlines for an honest, forthright appraisal of the airline “unbundling”, ie. adding fees.

    It would be educational to interview a consumer advocate who can fully explain the airlines price gouging, the airlines control of the FAA, and the airlines massive lobbying in Congress. Then, we’d get a better perspective.

    When I hear about unbundling, I remember the old Texas saying “Don’t piss on my boots and they try to tell me it’s raining.”

  • James

    This seems to me like a reasoned explanation of how many industries are thinking about pricing these days. And given the business challenges airlines are facing, I can’t say I blame them for looking to alternative pricing models. If they don’t operate profitably, they go out of business. If they go out of business, the competitive landscape shifts toward more monopolistic practices. I predict the pricing environment will remain in a state of flux for years to come, with new options showing up from time to time … and lots of experimentation.

  • Carver

    @continuum

    Why go to a consumer advocate who is just as biased.

    @others

    I just from SFO-LAX yesterday for $39.00. My fare has gone down, so perhaps it actually works.

  • Andy

    @Jimlt…

    I don’t think you’re understanding the cable TV analogy correctly. By “paying a premium” he means the following: If, say, he is currently paying $50 a month for 50 channels, that’s an average of $1 per channel. By paying a “premium” he means that if he only wanted to watch 5 channels (which should cost $5), he’d be willing to pay something like $8 per month for those 5 channels instead of paying $50 for all 50 channels. That extra $3 is the premium.

    @Alan Nimby…

    That’s a great example. The snack bar can either charge you $2.95 for everything or unbundle the options. I, personally, do not like butter or salt in my popcorn. Therefore, with the pricing scheme you mentioned, I would only be paying $2.55. However, if there was no unbundling, then I, along with everyone else, would be paying $2.95 for everything, even though I would just throw away the salt and butter. Now you explain to me how that’s fair.

  • Jasper

    If it quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, and walks like a duck, it’s a duck, even if you market it as a swan.
    Unbundling is a nuisance to travelers, even if they try to market it as an improvement.

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  • Paul Singer

    He misses the point. While making an interesting financial argument about profitability and choice, he is taking a distinctly in-side-out perspective and ignoring how this impacts the overall airline customer experience.

    It seems they have not asked their customers how they feel nor looked at how À la carte pricing effects future buying behavior. For example, because American charges for bags I make two conscious choices when I travel; I carry my bag on to the plane which delays the boarding process and I fly Southwest Airlines, who does not charge for bags or changing flights. Both of these actions have economic impact to the airline that are not taken into account.

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