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	<title>Comments on: Why we don&#8217;t need a Passengers Bill of Rights</title>
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		<title>By: Ed Hahn</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/why-we-dont-need-a-passengers-bill-of-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-1850</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While, I deplore the methods that many airlines have used to lower costs and/or create income, the truth is we created this problem ourselves.  People voted with their wallets and said that all we want is lower prices and that price is by far our most important reason for choosing an airline.  

I include myself in this indictment.  

I recently saved US$450 by switching from my usual airline to another for a four leg open jaw trip - $605 vs. $1050.  I lost any benefits I might have enjoyed as a regular customer but with this kind of price difference, I could not justify flying my usual carrier.

I  started traveling regularly in the 1960&#039;s when all ticket prices were regulated and the only differentiators were service and schedule.   But people wanted choice and de-regulation and they got it.  Now airlines are struggling with a new paradigm, some more successfully than others.   

As far as I&#039;m concerned, the culprits are incompetent managers, greedy employees and low price at any cost conscious passengers.  That just about covers everybody.  

What I&#039;ve done is lower my expectations and upped my courtesy to and respect for airline employees, which works surprisingly well.  I also will pay extra to increase my comfort and stay loyal to airlines that treat me well.  Sometimes, as in my example above, the difference is so great  that I feel I must take advantage of it and pay whatever piper shows up to collect.  

We also have created a situation where we have no reasonable alternatives to flying except driving.  I don&#039;t fly around Europe, in spite of RyanAir&#039;s incredibly low prices.  I take trains because they are more hassle-free, more reliable and more comfortable.  In  the U.S., I have no choice but to fly for any trip over 3 or 400 miles.

We already have a bill of rights.  It&#039;s called the Contract of Carriage and is available for every airline on the internet or from their offices.  They vary from airline to airline and should impact the choices we make.  Most passengers haven&#039;t a clue that they exist or are enforceable on the spot , if necessary.

If we allow the government to intercede, the bureaucrats will take over, the airlines will throw up their hands and say we can&#039;t help you because of the regulations and things will get worse not better.  

If people demand and will pay for increased service, they will get it.  When I can, I fly Southwest because their point to point pricing, their super user-friendly website  and the fact that I can change my itinerary and not get zapped with a huge penalty.  The wider seats, extra leg-room and bad but well intentioned humor also adds to the experience.  If I want a seat assignment  or an easy connection to a place SW doesn&#039;t service, I fly a different airline.  Duh!!!!!

We already have a bill of rights.  It&#039;s appended to the constitution.  Additional government regulation and bureauacracy will solve nothing and create a whole new set of problems.  Think: TSA.  I, personally, do not feel any safer just hugely inconvenienced by the post 9-11 rules.  

We already vote with our wallets and our feet.  More regulations will not change that.

Ed Hahn
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While, I deplore the methods that many airlines have used to lower costs and/or create income, the truth is we created this problem ourselves.  People voted with their wallets and said that all we want is lower prices and that price is by far our most important reason for choosing an airline.  </p>
<p>I include myself in this indictment.  </p>
<p>I recently saved US$450 by switching from my usual airline to another for a four leg open jaw trip &#8211; $605 vs. $1050.  I lost any benefits I might have enjoyed as a regular customer but with this kind of price difference, I could not justify flying my usual carrier.</p>
<p>I  started traveling regularly in the 1960&#8242;s when all ticket prices were regulated and the only differentiators were service and schedule.   But people wanted choice and de-regulation and they got it.  Now airlines are struggling with a new paradigm, some more successfully than others.   </p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, the culprits are incompetent managers, greedy employees and low price at any cost conscious passengers.  That just about covers everybody.  </p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve done is lower my expectations and upped my courtesy to and respect for airline employees, which works surprisingly well.  I also will pay extra to increase my comfort and stay loyal to airlines that treat me well.  Sometimes, as in my example above, the difference is so great  that I feel I must take advantage of it and pay whatever piper shows up to collect.  </p>
<p>We also have created a situation where we have no reasonable alternatives to flying except driving.  I don&#8217;t fly around Europe, in spite of RyanAir&#8217;s incredibly low prices.  I take trains because they are more hassle-free, more reliable and more comfortable.  In  the U.S., I have no choice but to fly for any trip over 3 or 400 miles.</p>
<p>We already have a bill of rights.  It&#8217;s called the Contract of Carriage and is available for every airline on the internet or from their offices.  They vary from airline to airline and should impact the choices we make.  Most passengers haven&#8217;t a clue that they exist or are enforceable on the spot , if necessary.</p>
<p>If we allow the government to intercede, the bureaucrats will take over, the airlines will throw up their hands and say we can&#8217;t help you because of the regulations and things will get worse not better.  </p>
<p>If people demand and will pay for increased service, they will get it.  When I can, I fly Southwest because their point to point pricing, their super user-friendly website  and the fact that I can change my itinerary and not get zapped with a huge penalty.  The wider seats, extra leg-room and bad but well intentioned humor also adds to the experience.  If I want a seat assignment  or an easy connection to a place SW doesn&#8217;t service, I fly a different airline.  Duh!!!!!</p>
<p>We already have a bill of rights.  It&#8217;s appended to the constitution.  Additional government regulation and bureauacracy will solve nothing and create a whole new set of problems.  Think: TSA.  I, personally, do not feel any safer just hugely inconvenienced by the post 9-11 rules.  </p>
<p>We already vote with our wallets and our feet.  More regulations will not change that.</p>
<p>Ed Hahn</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/why-we-dont-need-a-passengers-bill-of-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-1849</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 03:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a very frequent flyer (VFF) you&#039;d think I&#039;d be all gung ho for the proposed Passenger Bill of Rights but I&#039;m not. Here&#039;s why:

1. The Federal Gov gave us the TSA to improve security. More window dressing. Why fund additional staffing at a government agency.

2. Who do you think will end up paying for the enforcement of the BoR? If you guessed the flying public you win.

3. Airlines have a Contract of Carriage that offers the customers significant redress if you bother to read it and can write a clear consise letter.

4. There are additional avenues for redress. the DOT, Your States Attorney General, Local TV and media, Chris Elliott and other Bloggers

The problem is YOU!!! The flying public is to lazy to take action and as is becoming typical wants Government to do it for them. It&#039;s your money and there is more than one airline. If you get taken advantage and don&#039;t fight back it&#039;s YOUR FAULT that you&#039;re treated like self loading Cargo.

When you as a consumer take ownership and seek redress then and only then will you see airlines change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a very frequent flyer (VFF) you&#8217;d think I&#8217;d be all gung ho for the proposed Passenger Bill of Rights but I&#8217;m not. Here&#8217;s why:</p>
<p>1. The Federal Gov gave us the TSA to improve security. More window dressing. Why fund additional staffing at a government agency.</p>
<p>2. Who do you think will end up paying for the enforcement of the BoR? If you guessed the flying public you win.</p>
<p>3. Airlines have a Contract of Carriage that offers the customers significant redress if you bother to read it and can write a clear consise letter.</p>
<p>4. There are additional avenues for redress. the DOT, Your States Attorney General, Local TV and media, Chris Elliott and other Bloggers</p>
<p>The problem is YOU!!! The flying public is to lazy to take action and as is becoming typical wants Government to do it for them. It&#8217;s your money and there is more than one airline. If you get taken advantage and don&#8217;t fight back it&#8217;s YOUR FAULT that you&#8217;re treated like self loading Cargo.</p>
<p>When you as a consumer take ownership and seek redress then and only then will you see airlines change.</p>
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