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	<title>Comments on: USA Today story triggers battle of the airfare gurus</title>
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		<title>By: G Olsen</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/usa-today-story-triggers-battle-of-the-airfare-gurus/comment-page-1/#comment-12543</link>
		<dc:creator>G Olsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I travel  from S.D. to  Philadelphia6 non stop 7 times  a  year.  My  tickets  were always  $300 to  $375   roundtrip.  Tickets  for April , June, $538, Aug $538 and  Nov. and  Dec. $655   which I&#039;ve  already purchased   were  almost   double following  a  $200 price drop.  
  I  too  read  USA today  for  airline  news and  find  it  most  informative.  also  get  First Class Flyer even though I   don&#039;t  travel  overseas.  I find  it  also  informative  as  well as  your  newsletter.  Keep  up the  good  work, Love  your  column.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I travel  from S.D. to  Philadelphia6 non stop 7 times  a  year.  My  tickets  were always  $300 to  $375   roundtrip.  Tickets  for April , June, $538, Aug $538 and  Nov. and  Dec. $655   which I&#8217;ve  already purchased   were  almost   double following  a  $200 price drop.<br />
  I  too  read  USA today  for  airline  news and  find  it  most  informative.  also  get  First Class Flyer even though I   don&#8217;t  travel  overseas.  I find  it  also  informative  as  well as  your  newsletter.  Keep  up the  good  work, Love  your  column.</p>
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		<title>By: BriCo</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/usa-today-story-triggers-battle-of-the-airfare-gurus/comment-page-1/#comment-12541</link>
		<dc:creator>BriCo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I saw an ad in the 6/8 Sunday travel section advertising for the sate of Hawaii so I went to their web site to see the &quot;special deals&quot;.  I found August airfare (only) for $900+ on all but 1 airline; USAir was about $875.  Today I visited AA and chose: LAX-OGG (Maui), Restricted fares, 1-stop, travel Tues out/Tues back, stay over a Sat: $1025 Jul 22; $909 Aug 11; $793 Sept. 16; $759 Oct. 21, and these for either returning early afternoon OR on a red-eye.  Non-stops were $35-$115 higher.  In March 2006 I have paid ~ $350 - - High Season!  I&#039;d say fares have risen dramatically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I saw an ad in the 6/8 Sunday travel section advertising for the sate of Hawaii so I went to their web site to see the &#8220;special deals&#8221;.  I found August airfare (only) for $900+ on all but 1 airline; USAir was about $875.  Today I visited AA and chose: LAX-OGG (Maui), Restricted fares, 1-stop, travel Tues out/Tues back, stay over a Sat: $1025 Jul 22; $909 Aug 11; $793 Sept. 16; $759 Oct. 21, and these for either returning early afternoon OR on a red-eye.  Non-stops were $35-$115 higher.  In March 2006 I have paid ~ $350 &#8211; - High Season!  I&#8217;d say fares have risen dramatically.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/usa-today-story-triggers-battle-of-the-airfare-gurus/comment-page-1/#comment-12518</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether a reporter is quoting or not, fact checking is an essential part of responsible journalism.  Chris I couldn&#039;t agree with you more about going online to find the most up to date information. The reality is that print newspapers are an unsustainable model economically, and also in the example you pointed out above.  Other than for aesthetics, who wants to read a paper that&#039;s out of date before it gets to your hands when more up to date information can be had on the web?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether a reporter is quoting or not, fact checking is an essential part of responsible journalism.  Chris I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more about going online to find the most up to date information. The reality is that print newspapers are an unsustainable model economically, and also in the example you pointed out above.  Other than for aesthetics, who wants to read a paper that&#8217;s out of date before it gets to your hands when more up to date information can be had on the web?</p>
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		<title>By: allen murray</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/usa-today-story-triggers-battle-of-the-airfare-gurus/comment-page-1/#comment-12489</link>
		<dc:creator>allen murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that you are assuming that USA today is a real newspaper.  It is not - it is  simply something that most folks get free in thier hotel.  It is worth the price, but nt worth a penny more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that you are assuming that USA today is a real newspaper.  It is not &#8211; it is  simply something that most folks get free in thier hotel.  It is worth the price, but nt worth a penny more.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/usa-today-story-triggers-battle-of-the-airfare-gurus/comment-page-1/#comment-12478</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ All travel gurus: 

1) Please stop beating each other up. Join each other and pound on the travel industry please.

2) Please stop just copying the ticket prices. They don&#039;t have any relation to the actual cost of flight. *Please* start including all fees and surcharges that will be charged to an average customer. 

Quite frankly, if you don&#039;t do that, you are just being an misguided advertisement window for the airline industry, and not worth my time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ All travel gurus: </p>
<p>1) Please stop beating each other up. Join each other and pound on the travel industry please.</p>
<p>2) Please stop just copying the ticket prices. They don&#8217;t have any relation to the actual cost of flight. *Please* start including all fees and surcharges that will be charged to an average customer. </p>
<p>Quite frankly, if you don&#8217;t do that, you are just being an misguided advertisement window for the airline industry, and not worth my time.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/usa-today-story-triggers-battle-of-the-airfare-gurus/comment-page-1/#comment-12477</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One comment I forgot was that the &#039;usual&#039; fare on this route is about $300 - so its 50% more than it was last year.  If you want a holiday weekend, its even more, about double what it used to be - so fares HAVE gone up 100% on certain routes and more than that if there is not a Saturday night stay . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One comment I forgot was that the &#8216;usual&#8217; fare on this route is about $300 &#8211; so its 50% more than it was last year.  If you want a holiday weekend, its even more, about double what it used to be &#8211; so fares HAVE gone up 100% on certain routes and more than that if there is not a Saturday night stay . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/usa-today-story-triggers-battle-of-the-airfare-gurus/comment-page-1/#comment-12473</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what if you want to reserve seats, check luggage, get a drink, breathe air, etc?  Then its $595 . . . .

Fares from BDL-SAV are $443 RT leaving on a summer saturday coming home the next Saturday with full advance purchase.  We will be doing this in about 3 weeks.  Total for that trip of 800 miles is $1329 for our family of 3.   Plus $125 for a car rental in SAV and another $60 to park our car at the airport @ BDL.  Total cost around $1510.  Total time is 7 hours 45 min door to door ASSUMING on time flights.

It costs me $1301 to operate my own airplane 9.5 hours round trip over the same route.  No cost to park on the front end, and no need for a car rental on the back end since we are 5 miles from our vacation home by going into a General Aviation airport.  

Total time enroute is 6 hours 15 minutes door to door flying my airplane.    Now, if there was an airliner nonstop from BDL to SAV [closest ones to us are   BOS/JFK/LGA/EWR which are a 2 hour drive] ] it would take less time [about 2 hours less]  - but not that much less [say 30 minutes overall]. 

Yes, the air transportation system is out of whack when I can fly myself for $200 less than on a more efficient airliner and have it take less time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what if you want to reserve seats, check luggage, get a drink, breathe air, etc?  Then its $595 . . . .</p>
<p>Fares from BDL-SAV are $443 RT leaving on a summer saturday coming home the next Saturday with full advance purchase.  We will be doing this in about 3 weeks.  Total for that trip of 800 miles is $1329 for our family of 3.   Plus $125 for a car rental in SAV and another $60 to park our car at the airport @ BDL.  Total cost around $1510.  Total time is 7 hours 45 min door to door ASSUMING on time flights.</p>
<p>It costs me $1301 to operate my own airplane 9.5 hours round trip over the same route.  No cost to park on the front end, and no need for a car rental on the back end since we are 5 miles from our vacation home by going into a General Aviation airport.  </p>
<p>Total time enroute is 6 hours 15 minutes door to door flying my airplane.    Now, if there was an airliner nonstop from BDL to SAV [closest ones to us are   BOS/JFK/LGA/EWR which are a 2 hour drive] ] it would take less time [about 2 hours less]  &#8211; but not that much less [say 30 minutes overall]. </p>
<p>Yes, the air transportation system is out of whack when I can fly myself for $200 less than on a more efficient airliner and have it take less time.</p>
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		<title>By: beatofhawaii.com</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/usa-today-story-triggers-battle-of-the-airfare-gurus/comment-page-1/#comment-12472</link>
		<dc:creator>beatofhawaii.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that USA Today&#039;s Travel reports are getting less credible by the day.  They take the notion of sensationalism to the max.  

We researched Hawaii airfares for the summer season and find them to be 10-15% higher than last summer, on average.  

Aloha, http://beatofhawaii.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that USA Today&#8217;s Travel reports are getting less credible by the day.  They take the notion of sensationalism to the max.  </p>
<p>We researched Hawaii airfares for the summer season and find them to be 10-15% higher than last summer, on average.  </p>
<p>Aloha, <a href="http://beatofhawaii.com" rel="nofollow">http://beatofhawaii.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/usa-today-story-triggers-battle-of-the-airfare-gurus/comment-page-1/#comment-12471</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems as though USA Today could have quoted someone from Farecast / Farechase / Kayak who auto-archives rate info and specializes in (primarily) transparent fare forecasting.  While a soundbite is always nice, hard data is even better, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems as though USA Today could have quoted someone from Farecast / Farechase / Kayak who auto-archives rate info and specializes in (primarily) transparent fare forecasting.  While a soundbite is always nice, hard data is even better, no?</p>
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