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		<title>By: Mekhong Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mekhong Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the full fare should be shown as soon as a price is shown, whether that is a total fare (with a hyperlink to a page breaking down the various charges), or the various charges broken down on first sight -- and totaled.

I further feel, quite strongly, that airlines should not be allowed to advertise a base fare at all. I live abroad, and some of the regional airlines (which don&#039;t service North America or any U.S. destination so are, I suppose, beyond U.S. jurisdiction) run ridiculous ads saying &quot;Fly to X for just [some ludicrously low fare equal to as little as the equivalent of US$10-12]. Some US carriers aren&#039;t much better. A ticket advertised for, let&#039;s say, &quot;Just $29!&quot; ought to come in somewhere in that range -- not, say, a total of $250 after all the other fees, surcharges, taxes, and any other charges either the government or the airline itself adds.

As for the prominent notice bit -- I&#039;ve NEVER seen ANY notice of extra charges I would consider remotely anything &quot;prominent.&quot; Unless tiny, pale gray type scrunched at the very bottom of the page, a page splashed with bright colors, lots of info, and large type counts as &quot;prominent,&quot; that is. Having taught university courses that include visual layout of pages, I can say with something to back me up -- that ain&#039;t prominent.

This stuff really irks me. . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the full fare should be shown as soon as a price is shown, whether that is a total fare (with a hyperlink to a page breaking down the various charges), or the various charges broken down on first sight &#8212; and totaled.</p>
<p>I further feel, quite strongly, that airlines should not be allowed to advertise a base fare at all. I live abroad, and some of the regional airlines (which don&#8217;t service North America or any U.S. destination so are, I suppose, beyond U.S. jurisdiction) run ridiculous ads saying &#8220;Fly to X for just [some ludicrously low fare equal to as little as the equivalent of US$10-12]. Some US carriers aren&#8217;t much better. A ticket advertised for, let&#8217;s say, &#8220;Just $29!&#8221; ought to come in somewhere in that range &#8212; not, say, a total of $250 after all the other fees, surcharges, taxes, and any other charges either the government or the airline itself adds.</p>
<p>As for the prominent notice bit &#8212; I&#8217;ve NEVER seen ANY notice of extra charges I would consider remotely anything &#8220;prominent.&#8221; Unless tiny, pale gray type scrunched at the very bottom of the page, a page splashed with bright colors, lots of info, and large type counts as &#8220;prominent,&#8221; that is. Having taught university courses that include visual layout of pages, I can say with something to back me up &#8212; that ain&#8217;t prominent.</p>
<p>This stuff really irks me. . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Mekhong Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mekhong Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put my name in the camp of those that the veery first price
I see -- including in ads on billboards, in print materials, etc.
-- matches the REAL, FINAL, TOTAL, EVERYTHING INCLUDED, NOR MORE
TRICKS OR EXTRAS price. Not to be too emphatic about this, mind you
. . . ;^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put my name in the camp of those that the veery first price<br />
I see &#8212; including in ads on billboards, in print materials, etc.<br />
&#8211; matches the REAL, FINAL, TOTAL, EVERYTHING INCLUDED, NOR MORE<br />
TRICKS OR EXTRAS price. Not to be too emphatic about this, mind you<br />
. . . ;^)</p>
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		<title>By: Adriana P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adriana P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just had a problem with the American Express travel site clearly stated the &quot;Web Fare&quot; included fees and taxes, yet to find that when I continued on to purchase, the price more than doubled and base price never matched.  I called customer service and they hung up on me because I told them they could be sued for false advertisment.  Anything else I could do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just had a problem with the American Express travel site clearly stated the &#8220;Web Fare&#8221; included fees and taxes, yet to find that when I continued on to purchase, the price more than doubled and base price never matched.  I called customer service and they hung up on me because I told them they could be sued for false advertisment.  Anything else I could do?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Fields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it was only for a &quot;short period of time&quot;, and if nobody actually bought tickets, then, really, how much of a fine DO they deserve? $40,000 is the price of a cheap programmer who can overlook the code and make sure this doesn&#039;t happen again. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it was only for a &#8220;short period of time&#8221;, and if nobody actually bought tickets, then, really, how much of a fine DO they deserve? $40,000 is the price of a cheap programmer who can overlook the code and make sure this doesn&#8217;t happen again. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, Delta and United do that on the Australian version of their web sites too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Delta and United do that on the Australian version of their web sites too.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly US Airways will disclose the full fare including any taxes and fees on their European websites, as required by European law.
It can&#039;t be that difficult to have the same IT crew look over the American website to polish it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly US Airways will disclose the full fare including any taxes and fees on their European websites, as required by European law.<br />
It can&#8217;t be that difficult to have the same IT crew look over the American website to polish it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Flight Wisdom Briefing 2 &#124; Flight Wisdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flight Wisdom Briefing 2 &#124; Flight Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 04:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Australia.  Here, the Australian Competition and Consumer Comission (ACCC), regulates many aspects of commerce similar to the US&#039;s FTC.  They have required that all taxes and fees be included in airline quotes (and just about anything else sold anywhere).  It really is quite a simple idea and it&#039;s a bit crazy that the US still doesn&#039;t require this.  The taxes and fees are part of the cost of offering that service, and there&#039;s no reason they shouldn&#039;t be part of the up-front price.

I am not generally a fan of massive government regulation, but history has shown that communicating clear prices is something companies won&#039;t do on their own, and appropriate consumer protection seems like a requirement here.  What irritates me is why arlines lobby so strongly against this.  Don&#039;t they realize that the rules would apply equally to all their competitors, and they will still be able to compete on price in the same way they do now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Australia.  Here, the Australian Competition and Consumer Comission (ACCC), regulates many aspects of commerce similar to the US&#8217;s FTC.  They have required that all taxes and fees be included in airline quotes (and just about anything else sold anywhere).  It really is quite a simple idea and it&#8217;s a bit crazy that the US still doesn&#8217;t require this.  The taxes and fees are part of the cost of offering that service, and there&#8217;s no reason they shouldn&#8217;t be part of the up-front price.</p>
<p>I am not generally a fan of massive government regulation, but history has shown that communicating clear prices is something companies won&#8217;t do on their own, and appropriate consumer protection seems like a requirement here.  What irritates me is why arlines lobby so strongly against this.  Don&#8217;t they realize that the rules would apply equally to all their competitors, and they will still be able to compete on price in the same way they do now?</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$40,000...meh.  Big deal.

This whole issue of undisclosed taxes/fees has been a thorn in the side of my trip planning for years.  It makes airfare shopping take forever.  You often have to enter info into several screens before you can get to the *actual* full cost of the ticket.  And then, if you don&#039;t buy it right then, but go to check out other sites (and click down through THEIR screens to get a real price), the other one changes.  I will often line up 10 open browsers and get each site to the final fare so I can do a price comparison.  But this takes FOREVER.

Glad that the DOT is doing something.  But this is less than a slap on the wrist, and I don&#039;t see that teensy fines like these will make much of a difference.  How about a consequence with some actual teeth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$40,000&#8230;meh.  Big deal.</p>
<p>This whole issue of undisclosed taxes/fees has been a thorn in the side of my trip planning for years.  It makes airfare shopping take forever.  You often have to enter info into several screens before you can get to the *actual* full cost of the ticket.  And then, if you don&#8217;t buy it right then, but go to check out other sites (and click down through THEIR screens to get a real price), the other one changes.  I will often line up 10 open browsers and get each site to the final fare so I can do a price comparison.  But this takes FOREVER.</p>
<p>Glad that the DOT is doing something.  But this is less than a slap on the wrist, and I don&#8217;t see that teensy fines like these will make much of a difference.  How about a consequence with some actual teeth?</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$40k is indeed pathetic. If DOT were serious it would make rules with no loopholes, and fine the living daylights out of airlines. I see no reason not to. Apparently, the feds can use some cash these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$40k is indeed pathetic. If DOT were serious it would make rules with no loopholes, and fine the living daylights out of airlines. I see no reason not to. Apparently, the feds can use some cash these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto ptkdude. $40,000 is nothing. If the DOT were serious they would fine in the millions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto ptkdude. $40,000 is nothing. If the DOT were serious they would fine in the millions.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ptkdude:  You&#039;re absolutely right, this is a drop in the bucket.  Who knows how many hapless souls bought US Airways tickets for a &quot;few weeks&quot; because they looked cheaper on their web site.  (Well, they&#039;re not doing so well so maybe not that many...)

But of course those poor software engineers who actually implemented the &quot;inadvertent programming error&quot; got blamed and now have the weight of $40,000 on their shoulders.  Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ptkdude:  You&#8217;re absolutely right, this is a drop in the bucket.  Who knows how many hapless souls bought US Airways tickets for a &#8220;few weeks&#8221; because they looked cheaper on their web site.  (Well, they&#8217;re not doing so well so maybe not that many&#8230;)</p>
<p>But of course those poor software engineers who actually implemented the &#8220;inadvertent programming error&#8221; got blamed and now have the weight of $40,000 on their shoulders.  Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s false advertising and drives me nuts. How often do you see like a Lufthansa or British Airways advertisement that says: &quot;Sale! Singapore for $499!*&quot;

* Each way based on one way travel. Taxes and fees not included.

That means your $499 (quite a deal!) trip to Singapore is actually more like $1350. 

The fact that some web sites have more prominent asterisks than others is neither here nor there - the whole practice is ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s false advertising and drives me nuts. How often do you see like a Lufthansa or British Airways advertisement that says: &#8220;Sale! Singapore for $499!*&#8221;</p>
<p>* Each way based on one way travel. Taxes and fees not included.</p>
<p>That means your $499 (quite a deal!) trip to Singapore is actually more like $1350. </p>
<p>The fact that some web sites have more prominent asterisks than others is neither here nor there &#8211; the whole practice is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DOT rules should be changed to require the full fare to be listed on the first screen that provides fare quotes on the airline&#039;s Web site.  Airlines should not be permitted to quote a &quot;base fare&quot; which does not include all additional taxes and fees that will be imposed.

A $4 million dollar fine would have gotten the airline&#039;s attention in a meaningful way.  Having to pay $40,000 might embarrass it, but is no deterrent to allowing &quot; inadvertent programming errors&quot; of this nature to occur in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOT rules should be changed to require the full fare to be listed on the first screen that provides fare quotes on the airline&#8217;s Web site.  Airlines should not be permitted to quote a &#8220;base fare&#8221; which does not include all additional taxes and fees that will be imposed.</p>
<p>A $4 million dollar fine would have gotten the airline&#8217;s attention in a meaningful way.  Having to pay $40,000 might embarrass it, but is no deterrent to allowing &#8221; inadvertent programming errors&#8221; of this nature to occur in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: ptkdude</title>
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		<dc:creator>ptkdude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not evidence that the DOT is serious.  *I* can authorize payments of $40,000 at my major national corporation and I&#039;m not really a manager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not evidence that the DOT is serious.  *I* can authorize payments of $40,000 at my major national corporation and I&#8217;m not really a manager.</p>
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