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		<title>By: psi fly</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/travel-trend-adding-yourself-to-the-no-fly-list/comment-page-1/#comment-11595</link>
		<dc:creator>psi fly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more.  Flying is such a hassle now-easier to take train.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  Flying is such a hassle now-easier to take train.</p>
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		<title>By: John Vanderplough</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/travel-trend-adding-yourself-to-the-no-fly-list/comment-page-1/#comment-11525</link>
		<dc:creator>John Vanderplough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of comments I agree with here. I haven&#039;t traveled by air since 2004, but must do so this summer for business reasons. (There&#039;s no easy drive from Ohio to Queretaro, Mexico.) I&#039;ve worked for two airlines-- one legacy carrier (5 years)and one upstart (which only lasted four months) and have been able to see the world at large. I&#039;ve decided to see the USA for future vacations, driving on back roads to smaller sights and travelling leisurely and stress-free. Avoiding air travel altogether is my new priority.  Rail and buses are also viable transport modes besides driving. 

We just need to look for and use alternatives within the whole journey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of comments I agree with here. I haven&#8217;t traveled by air since 2004, but must do so this summer for business reasons. (There&#8217;s no easy drive from Ohio to Queretaro, Mexico.) I&#8217;ve worked for two airlines&#8211; one legacy carrier (5 years)and one upstart (which only lasted four months) and have been able to see the world at large. I&#8217;ve decided to see the USA for future vacations, driving on back roads to smaller sights and travelling leisurely and stress-free. Avoiding air travel altogether is my new priority.  Rail and buses are also viable transport modes besides driving. </p>
<p>We just need to look for and use alternatives within the whole journey.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have quit flying on the legacy carriers. My airline of choice is Southwest and rarely do I encounter any sort of problem. This past weekend, my wife and I flew from Tampa to Providence, RI and return. Other than making sure that one of us visited the Southwest web site 24 hours before flight time to procure &quot;A&quot; boarding passes, there was no stress involved. Had we wanted to change our reservations anytime before day of the flight, we would have been able to do so without penalty. If the new itinerary was more expensive, we would have had to pay the difference. If the new flights cost less, Southwest would have issued a credit. Unlike the system that was in effect before October of 2007, we did not have to stand in line for an hour before flight time to insure a good choice of seats. Instead, an announcement was made about five minutes before boarding and everyone in the &quot;A&quot; group lined up at stations which indicated the number on the boarding pass. My pass number was A37 so all I had to do is find the location with the sign saying A36-40. After the preboards got on, the entire &quot;A&quot; group was allowed to board. The same process was repeated for people holding B and C boarding passes.

Both flights left on time and arrived early. The cabin crew was friendly and accommodating. Okay, there was no first class and no food served, but the seats were comfortable, the seat pitch a couple of inches better than what is found in the coach section on most legacy carriers, and soft drinks and snacks were served at no charge.

Also, Southwest&#039;s Rapid-Rewards frequent flyer plan usually has seats available on the days I want to fly. That has not always been the case on the legacy carriers.

When I can&#039;t fly Southwest, my choices are Jet-Blue and Air-Tran. I won&#039;t give another dollar to a legacy carrier until they start treating me as a valued customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have quit flying on the legacy carriers. My airline of choice is Southwest and rarely do I encounter any sort of problem. This past weekend, my wife and I flew from Tampa to Providence, RI and return. Other than making sure that one of us visited the Southwest web site 24 hours before flight time to procure &#8220;A&#8221; boarding passes, there was no stress involved. Had we wanted to change our reservations anytime before day of the flight, we would have been able to do so without penalty. If the new itinerary was more expensive, we would have had to pay the difference. If the new flights cost less, Southwest would have issued a credit. Unlike the system that was in effect before October of 2007, we did not have to stand in line for an hour before flight time to insure a good choice of seats. Instead, an announcement was made about five minutes before boarding and everyone in the &#8220;A&#8221; group lined up at stations which indicated the number on the boarding pass. My pass number was A37 so all I had to do is find the location with the sign saying A36-40. After the preboards got on, the entire &#8220;A&#8221; group was allowed to board. The same process was repeated for people holding B and C boarding passes.</p>
<p>Both flights left on time and arrived early. The cabin crew was friendly and accommodating. Okay, there was no first class and no food served, but the seats were comfortable, the seat pitch a couple of inches better than what is found in the coach section on most legacy carriers, and soft drinks and snacks were served at no charge.</p>
<p>Also, Southwest&#8217;s Rapid-Rewards frequent flyer plan usually has seats available on the days I want to fly. That has not always been the case on the legacy carriers.</p>
<p>When I can&#8217;t fly Southwest, my choices are Jet-Blue and Air-Tran. I won&#8217;t give another dollar to a legacy carrier until they start treating me as a valued customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/travel-trend-adding-yourself-to-the-no-fly-list/comment-page-1/#comment-11431</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flying? Only if I have to. We flew from Iowa to Florida in 2001 and again for a cruise in 2006. We drive everywhere else - Niagara Falls, Chicago, Minneapolis, doesn&#039;t matter. It&#039;s more relaxing, and I don&#039;t have to put up with the TSA treating everyone like terrorists.

We taking a trip to Denver with my patents next year, and I think we&#039;ll take the train for a different experience. Again, way more relaxing and lots of leg and stretch room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flying? Only if I have to. We flew from Iowa to Florida in 2001 and again for a cruise in 2006. We drive everywhere else &#8211; Niagara Falls, Chicago, Minneapolis, doesn&#8217;t matter. It&#8217;s more relaxing, and I don&#8217;t have to put up with the TSA treating everyone like terrorists.</p>
<p>We taking a trip to Denver with my patents next year, and I think we&#8217;ll take the train for a different experience. Again, way more relaxing and lots of leg and stretch room.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R Factor - sounds like what PSA used to do in California before deregulation.  

Hourly flights, friendly, attractive flight attendants and flight crew with a sense of fun, simple fare structures, a dedicated gate @ LAX and SFO for the Freeway Flyer,  $20 on the late flights each way, $40-50 during the day.    Every once in a while you could  fly to Burbank and San Diego and Lake Tahoe.  

That worked too well, they made money and then got too big for their britches and started losing money flying to places like Medford and Yakima and Seattle and Spokane, and got eaten by USAir, ending common sense in the airline industry for ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R Factor &#8211; sounds like what PSA used to do in California before deregulation.  </p>
<p>Hourly flights, friendly, attractive flight attendants and flight crew with a sense of fun, simple fare structures, a dedicated gate @ LAX and SFO for the Freeway Flyer,  $20 on the late flights each way, $40-50 during the day.    Every once in a while you could  fly to Burbank and San Diego and Lake Tahoe.  </p>
<p>That worked too well, they made money and then got too big for their britches and started losing money flying to places like Medford and Yakima and Seattle and Spokane, and got eaten by USAir, ending common sense in the airline industry for ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Factor</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/travel-trend-adding-yourself-to-the-no-fly-list/comment-page-1/#comment-11381</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Factor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like I accidentally started this entry with my email to Mr. Elliott.  And it looks like there&#039;s a lot of agreement about just how nasty a problem flying has become.  I like to look for solutions to problems rather than whining about them all the time.  My &quot;solution&quot; to most of MY travel woes is to just stay home unless a trip is essential.  But that doesn&#039;t solve the airlines&#039; problems, which are largely caused by their seemingly inescapable business model:  Fill the seats before the plane takes off, or forever lose the revenue.  

Their method, which involves a variable pricing structure, &quot;rules,&quot; restrictions, Saturday-night stayovers, and virtuoso nickle-and-diming, is guaranteed to engender hatred from all but the most phlegmatic or stoic.  I actually have a candidate solution, at least for heavily-travelled routes, and it is this:

1:  Get rid of schedules.  Just have a gate for LAX, a gate for SFO, a gate for MIA, and a gate for any other city where you can fill up an airplane in an hour.

2:  Share that gate among airlines.  (Let them fight each other for it - leave me out of it!)  

3:  No advance reservations or purchase, no different fares, and charge for luggage by weight, since that&#039;s a true expense the airlnes must bear.  Pay at the gate and board immediately.

If this seems similar to a bus, so mote it be.  The plane flies full and profitably, everybody pays the same and flies when they want to.  Never rush for the plane or worry about security taking too long - there&#039;s no &quot;your flight&quot; to miss.  

Will this work?  I honestly don&#039;t know.  I&#039;m hardly an expert in airline operations (or much of anything else) and it clearly won&#039;t work in cases where there&#039;s a low volume of traffic since it would tie up a plane, passengers, and gate for many hours.  But if it will work, or even if it might, I&#039;d love to see it tried.  Surely the airlines have enough smart people, even if they keep them hidden, to realize that the current situation is unstable and untenable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I accidentally started this entry with my email to Mr. Elliott.  And it looks like there&#8217;s a lot of agreement about just how nasty a problem flying has become.  I like to look for solutions to problems rather than whining about them all the time.  My &#8220;solution&#8221; to most of MY travel woes is to just stay home unless a trip is essential.  But that doesn&#8217;t solve the airlines&#8217; problems, which are largely caused by their seemingly inescapable business model:  Fill the seats before the plane takes off, or forever lose the revenue.  </p>
<p>Their method, which involves a variable pricing structure, &#8220;rules,&#8221; restrictions, Saturday-night stayovers, and virtuoso nickle-and-diming, is guaranteed to engender hatred from all but the most phlegmatic or stoic.  I actually have a candidate solution, at least for heavily-travelled routes, and it is this:</p>
<p>1:  Get rid of schedules.  Just have a gate for LAX, a gate for SFO, a gate for MIA, and a gate for any other city where you can fill up an airplane in an hour.</p>
<p>2:  Share that gate among airlines.  (Let them fight each other for it &#8211; leave me out of it!)  </p>
<p>3:  No advance reservations or purchase, no different fares, and charge for luggage by weight, since that&#8217;s a true expense the airlnes must bear.  Pay at the gate and board immediately.</p>
<p>If this seems similar to a bus, so mote it be.  The plane flies full and profitably, everybody pays the same and flies when they want to.  Never rush for the plane or worry about security taking too long &#8211; there&#8217;s no &#8220;your flight&#8221; to miss.  </p>
<p>Will this work?  I honestly don&#8217;t know.  I&#8217;m hardly an expert in airline operations (or much of anything else) and it clearly won&#8217;t work in cases where there&#8217;s a low volume of traffic since it would tie up a plane, passengers, and gate for many hours.  But if it will work, or even if it might, I&#8217;d love to see it tried.  Surely the airlines have enough smart people, even if they keep them hidden, to realize that the current situation is unstable and untenable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan (in Buenos Aires)</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/travel-trend-adding-yourself-to-the-no-fly-list/comment-page-1/#comment-11377</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan (in Buenos Aires)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I disagree.  I think people are more prone to travel than ever, and what we&#039;re seeing from both the airlines and the security checkpoints in airports is a test of how far things can go before people get fed up and say enough.

But I don&#039;t think we&#039;ve reached that point yet.

On a slightly more positive note, we flew American Airlines on our way to Buenos Aires, and despite everyone&#039;s complaints and their recent issues, we were pleased with our flight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I disagree.  I think people are more prone to travel than ever, and what we&#8217;re seeing from both the airlines and the security checkpoints in airports is a test of how far things can go before people get fed up and say enough.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve reached that point yet.</p>
<p>On a slightly more positive note, we flew American Airlines on our way to Buenos Aires, and despite everyone&#8217;s complaints and their recent issues, we were pleased with our flight.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/travel-trend-adding-yourself-to-the-no-fly-list/comment-page-1/#comment-11374</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the idea of flying, but I can&#039;t stand what it has turned into.</description>
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		<title>By: Carrie C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband won&#039;t fly unless he must because he wants to avoid being demeaned, demoralized and dehumanized for no good reason. In fact, he is driving back from WA to NY as I write this.  (I flew this time.)  Today,  I had to take a last-minute trip from EWR to BWI. I took the shuttle to the airport and then took the train from Newark to Baltimore. Without the 2-hr lead time required by the airport, the train trip took no longer than a flight, was way more comfortable with plenty of leg room, and cost less than a third of the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband won&#8217;t fly unless he must because he wants to avoid being demeaned, demoralized and dehumanized for no good reason. In fact, he is driving back from WA to NY as I write this.  (I flew this time.)  Today,  I had to take a last-minute trip from EWR to BWI. I took the shuttle to the airport and then took the train from Newark to Baltimore. Without the 2-hr lead time required by the airport, the train trip took no longer than a flight, was way more comfortable with plenty of leg room, and cost less than a third of the price.</p>
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		<title>By: JARaphs</title>
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		<dc:creator>JARaphs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eeeew - more fees!  Change fees, luggage fees, seat reservation fees... they all stink.  But I will keep flying for sure - I wish I had more time to travel.  There are many, many spectacular airfare deals out there for those able to plan ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eeeew &#8211; more fees!  Change fees, luggage fees, seat reservation fees&#8230; they all stink.  But I will keep flying for sure &#8211; I wish I had more time to travel.  There are many, many spectacular airfare deals out there for those able to plan ahead.</p>
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