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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Top off&#8217; fee explained: &#8220;Everyone drives a little after filling the tank&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty rare that a car has a full tank when I pick it up at the rental lot. I&#039;d say 90% of the time, it&#039;s down 1-3 gallons. Sometimes even more. 

If you drove 70 miles and then needed 6 gallons to refill the tank. There&#039;s something wrong here.

If the rental agencies were actually topping off tanks upon return, it would always be full. 

So the average renter is getting screwed both on pickup and on return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty rare that a car has a full tank when I pick it up at the rental lot. I&#8217;d say 90% of the time, it&#8217;s down 1-3 gallons. Sometimes even more. </p>
<p>If you drove 70 miles and then needed 6 gallons to refill the tank. There&#8217;s something wrong here.</p>
<p>If the rental agencies were actually topping off tanks upon return, it would always be full. </p>
<p>So the average renter is getting screwed both on pickup and on return.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an employee of a Dollar franchise that actually bucked the trend of unnecessary fees (we dropped the Vehicle License Fee when most others in our market were still charging it--all we charge now are the mandatory city and state taxes, state-mandated Consolidated Facility Charge, and the exact break-even point on the airport concession fee), I find it sad that some of our other locations are tarnishing our brand name. I&#039;m also sad that Janet is choosing not to participate in the great service we try to offer because of some rogue location.

Let me point out that it is not just Dollar that has rogue locations: the Budget location just down the hall from us now charges customers $10 per gallon if they do not bring the car back full. That&#039;s almost twice as much as everyone else at the airport (including us). Maybe you&#039;d all better take Budget off of your approved vendor list, too. Hertz isn&#039;t much better, come to think of it--they&#039;re at $7.50 per gallon, so they should be taken off of your list, too. The rest of us offer a &quot;refueling service&quot; for &quot;only&quot; ~$5 per gallon (no &quot;top-off&quot; fees, either). I guess we&#039;re cheap in comparison, although if I were in charge of operations, I admit I&#039;d make it at least a bit more reasonable--say, $3.50 per gallon (local market&#039;s about $3).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an employee of a Dollar franchise that actually bucked the trend of unnecessary fees (we dropped the Vehicle License Fee when most others in our market were still charging it&#8211;all we charge now are the mandatory city and state taxes, state-mandated Consolidated Facility Charge, and the exact break-even point on the airport concession fee), I find it sad that some of our other locations are tarnishing our brand name. I&#8217;m also sad that Janet is choosing not to participate in the great service we try to offer because of some rogue location.</p>
<p>Let me point out that it is not just Dollar that has rogue locations: the Budget location just down the hall from us now charges customers $10 per gallon if they do not bring the car back full. That&#8217;s almost twice as much as everyone else at the airport (including us). Maybe you&#8217;d all better take Budget off of your approved vendor list, too. Hertz isn&#8217;t much better, come to think of it&#8211;they&#8217;re at $7.50 per gallon, so they should be taken off of your list, too. The rest of us offer a &#8220;refueling service&#8221; for &#8220;only&#8221; ~$5 per gallon (no &#8220;top-off&#8221; fees, either). I guess we&#8217;re cheap in comparison, although if I were in charge of operations, I admit I&#8217;d make it at least a bit more reasonable&#8211;say, $3.50 per gallon (local market&#8217;s about $3).</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the problem involves the person who fills the tank 30 or 40 miles from the agency when it&#039;s time to return the car. The gas guage will still indicate a full tank and the rental company won&#039;t bother to check how much fuel is missing. The next renter (you or me) will thus get only a partial tank of gas.

So what do I do to protect myself? When I first rent a car I could stop and fill the tank at the nearest service station, keep the payment receipt, hand it in when I return the car at the end of the trip, and request an adjustment to my bill.

Would that work, or have the rental companies already figured out a way to deny me what I&#039;m owed for filling their tank at the start of my trip?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the problem involves the person who fills the tank 30 or 40 miles from the agency when it&#8217;s time to return the car. The gas guage will still indicate a full tank and the rental company won&#8217;t bother to check how much fuel is missing. The next renter (you or me) will thus get only a partial tank of gas.</p>
<p>So what do I do to protect myself? When I first rent a car I could stop and fill the tank at the nearest service station, keep the payment receipt, hand it in when I return the car at the end of the trip, and request an adjustment to my bill.</p>
<p>Would that work, or have the rental companies already figured out a way to deny me what I&#8217;m owed for filling their tank at the start of my trip?</p>
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		<title>By: MrBadExample</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrBadExample</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not shift your business to another provider? Then write and tell Dollar exactly why?

Better still every States Attorney General has a fraud unit and in my experience are more than willing to help. You can usually file on line in less time than it takes you to bitch here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not shift your business to another provider? Then write and tell Dollar exactly why?</p>
<p>Better still every States Attorney General has a fraud unit and in my experience are more than willing to help. You can usually file on line in less time than it takes you to bitch here.</p>
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		<title>By: MrBadExample</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrBadExample</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not shift your business to another provider? Then write and tell Dollar exactly why?

Better still every States Attorney General has a fraud unit and in my experience are more than willing to help. You can usually file on line in less time than it takes you to bitch here.

Companies like Dollar count on the &quot;Sheeple&quot; to just follow along and when someone (Like Me) comes along they usually give in because 20,000 ate the dog food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not shift your business to another provider? Then write and tell Dollar exactly why?</p>
<p>Better still every States Attorney General has a fraud unit and in my experience are more than willing to help. You can usually file on line in less time than it takes you to bitch here.</p>
<p>Companies like Dollar count on the &#8220;Sheeple&#8221; to just follow along and when someone (Like Me) comes along they usually give in because 20,000 ate the dog food.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Dennis missed the point. If a customer fills up further from the rental agency and leaves less fuel in the tank, the rental company will still collect the fee, but next customer in line will get a car that is now &quot;less&quot; topped off. That customer will then be paying for the fuel needed to top off the tank properly. Rental agency&#039;s only pay to top off cars if the tanl is lass than &quot;full&quot;.

The fee gives the rental company a potential windfall of $730 per vehicle ($2 x 365 days of &quot;potential&quot;rentals without providing any benefit or service (see comment by Joe F. on Jan. 29).

Note: &quot;potential&quot; can only be reached if no one rents the car for multiple days)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Dennis missed the point. If a customer fills up further from the rental agency and leaves less fuel in the tank, the rental company will still collect the fee, but next customer in line will get a car that is now &#8220;less&#8221; topped off. That customer will then be paying for the fuel needed to top off the tank properly. Rental agency&#8217;s only pay to top off cars if the tanl is lass than &#8220;full&#8221;.</p>
<p>The fee gives the rental company a potential windfall of $730 per vehicle ($2 x 365 days of &#8220;potential&#8221;rentals without providing any benefit or service (see comment by Joe F. on Jan. 29).</p>
<p>Note: &#8220;potential&#8221; can only be reached if no one rents the car for multiple days)</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what is the big deal? $2.00 is about 0.6 of a gallon of gas anyway. Why not top your car off maybe a little further away from the drop off point, maybe 10 miles or so and then the so called top off really is gasoline which has been used and not bogus?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what is the big deal? $2.00 is about 0.6 of a gallon of gas anyway. Why not top your car off maybe a little further away from the drop off point, maybe 10 miles or so and then the so called top off really is gasoline which has been used and not bogus?</p>
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		<title>By: cheap traveler</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheap traveler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This also shows why renting from a &quot;name brand&quot; is no protection from individual owners who will do whatever they want to take more out of your pocket. I was leery about Dollar after the terrible service I got on my last rental and now I absolutely refuse to rent from any of their locations after this blatent theft charge. Maybe their slogan can be &quot;We try harder (to take your cash).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This also shows why renting from a &#8220;name brand&#8221; is no protection from individual owners who will do whatever they want to take more out of your pocket. I was leery about Dollar after the terrible service I got on my last rental and now I absolutely refuse to rent from any of their locations after this blatent theft charge. Maybe their slogan can be &#8220;We try harder (to take your cash).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a corporate travel manager and I have just dropped Dollar from our list of approved vendors.  We seldom used them because of poor customer service anyway.  This just cements my decision.

Nothing but Greed - Greed and more Greed!!  It will be interesting to see if anyone other companies try to adopt this.  I am sure that they are all waiting and watching for the response.
J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a corporate travel manager and I have just dropped Dollar from our list of approved vendors.  We seldom used them because of poor customer service anyway.  This just cements my decision.</p>
<p>Nothing but Greed &#8211; Greed and more Greed!!  It will be interesting to see if anyone other companies try to adopt this.  I am sure that they are all waiting and watching for the response.<br />
J</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree strongly with Bill--the practitioners aren&#039;t &quot;idiots,&quot; they&#039;re greedy.  By bundling this fee into the already mind-numbing car rental receipt, replete with convention taxes, use fees, off site pickup charges, etc, the operator has figured a way to boost revenue surreptitiously. Add in the fact that for many business travelers, &quot;the company&quot; pays for the rental anyway, and it is even more profitable.   And, when you think that most larger locations now check the car in at dropoff, and that travelers are in a hurry, they have, in effect, picked your pocket.  By the time you realize you are missing the money, there&#039;s no one to complain to. 

Oh, and good luck  getting any political help here, because travelers are the greatest tax source available--they have to spend money, and they can&#039;t vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree strongly with Bill&#8211;the practitioners aren&#8217;t &#8220;idiots,&#8221; they&#8217;re greedy.  By bundling this fee into the already mind-numbing car rental receipt, replete with convention taxes, use fees, off site pickup charges, etc, the operator has figured a way to boost revenue surreptitiously. Add in the fact that for many business travelers, &#8220;the company&#8221; pays for the rental anyway, and it is even more profitable.   And, when you think that most larger locations now check the car in at dropoff, and that travelers are in a hurry, they have, in effect, picked your pocket.  By the time you realize you are missing the money, there&#8217;s no one to complain to. </p>
<p>Oh, and good luck  getting any political help here, because travelers are the greatest tax source available&#8211;they have to spend money, and they can&#8217;t vote.</p>
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