Don’t forget to tip your housekeeper. If you do, you could end up paying a lot more in late charges.
Don’t believe me? Then listen to what Matthew Martinez has to say. A frequent traveler who has a network of friends who work in the hotel industry, he let me in on a little insider secret. Housekeepers and bellmen can exact their revenge on bad tippers — and they often do.
A lot of the time, late charges are a result of hotel employees helping themselves to mini-bar and snack items after guest leave or while they are not in the room.
I know of one individual who worked as a bellhop. Often, he would be asked to retrieve bags from a room while guests were checking out. If they did not tip him, he would help himself to an item from the snack basket or minibar.
Same is true of cleaning crews. Sometimes the items that the hotel charges are for, actually have been removed from the room — just not by the guest. Other times the employee responsible for keeping inventory just makes a mistake.
I think that these types of activities are responsible for more of those phantom charges than a sinister plot by the hotels management.
Some readers of this blog believe that hotels are behind the late charges, but Martinez offers an interesting counterpoint. If I were a low-paid employee who relied on tips, I might consider raiding the minibar and sticking an unappreciative customer with the bill.
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I’ve got a question for all the seasoned travelers–how much do you tip the housekeeping staff? A percent of the total cost of your stay? A certain amount each day?
Also, I’ve always been told to hand it directly to the maid rather than leave it in the room, but most of the time, I can’t imagine I’d actually be there to hand it to them. Is it preferable to leave it in the room in a conspicuous spot? Or give it to management? When I took a cruise recently, I was at sea for a week, had interracted a lot with the staff members who cleaned my room, and was able to hand them a tip with a personal thank-you…but I don’t see that as being the case in a hotel for a short stay.
I’m just curious to see what everyone’s tipping protocol is–my job doesn’t require me to travel all that much but, when it does, I want to be sure to do it properly.
I have been leaving tips for the cleaning staff, but this whole “obligatory tip” thing seems to be getting out of hand.
I am considering the policy to insist that every hotel clean up or otherwise secure their minibar in such a way that I cannot be billed for anything – and also strongly considering no longer leaving tips for housekeeping staff.
Did the “genius” who fetched the bags for the guests and filched items from the minibar ever consider that he might get his tip when the guests picked up the bags?
This whole attitude of “punish them if they don’t tip” has got to stop. I remember reading on a “tipping blog” about a pizza delivery man who would shake the bottles of soda pop before dropping off the soda and pizza. If they gave him a tip, he would tell them that the bottle got shaken up a bit and to let it sit. If they did not, he would not say anything and let it explode.
Maybe these hotels should start including the proper costs of wages into their room rates.
I realize that there are plenty of hard working people who deserve their tips, but these people who are doing things like in this article are to blame for ruining it for them.
Are waitresses going to start putting poison in your foot and then tell you the anecdote if you give them enough of a tip? That’s pretty much what this amounts to.
I generally leave $2 or $3 per day in my room for the cleaning staff, depending on whether or not I want the sheets replaced. I can usually tell when it’s appreciated. Sometimes I actually get a thank you note. Often the toiletries have been replaced, but the slightly used ones are still left. Yes, all employees should be paid a living wage, but the reality is, they are not. I donating to help feed the kids.
I have been working in the hotel industry for almost 25 years and in housekeeping for 6 of them in a management position for a 1000 room convention hotel in Seattle. The housekeepers there were the most honorable, hard working, under appreciated staff of the hotel. That is not to say there are not a few bad apples among the hotel employees, but that is true in every profession.
Regarding tipping — People tip for a bartender to pour them a beer but can not spare a couple dollars for a person who almost breaks their back to make sure your room is clean. They are also the first person who is accused of theft if something is missing from the room and in my experience, the last ones to actually steal. If you can’t tell I am very protective of Room Attendants. When I leave tips and I can’t hand it directly to the Room Attendant, I will tuck it underneath a pillow so that someone else who as access to the room will not steal it.
I am struck by your assertion that punitive or otherwise dishonest behaviors by bellmen or room cleaners is a widespread pattern–based on a few examples from hearsay and one obnoxious bellman. It seems to me that if someone is going to take (steal) something from a minibar at a guest’s expense that person wouldn’t really care if the guest had been gracious or not–stealing kind of invalidates any claims to justice, though I am sure that someone who is a thief can come up with all kinds of rationalizations.
I have been staying in hotels for decades and have never had this experience; indeed I can tell no difference in the attitude or behaviors of hotel concierges, maids, or bellmen whether I tip or not. Perhaps this is because I don’t leave the room a total pigsty, but I don’t leave it in pristine condition either. A maid who intentionally leaves a room less than complete would risk customer complaints and managerial punishment. Most need their jobs too much to risk losing thim like this. As a clergyman who has worked with low-wage hotel workers on union organizing campaigns, I have met only conscientious and hardworking people. Many a maid has to clean 16 rooms in an 8-hour shift, and the heavy beds and multiple tasks make it a burdensome job with a high rate of injuries and repetitive motion pain, and often with inadequate health-care coverage and few if any sick days. Some of them work two jobs, and many of them are immigrants trying to keep their families fed and housed. Like the other respondent here, I tip a few dollars a day, more on checkout days, as a complete room turnover involves extra effort. And like that person, I think about the children that my few extra bucks might support.
I have stayed in hotels 500+ nights over the years. My job as a non-internet travel agent requires that I know what I am talking about when it comes to various types of hotel properties. I have never had a hotel add a thing to my bill! Express check-out may lead to errors, but those are easily corrected. TIPPING …TIP… To Insure Promptness…..remeber that it is never obligatory or even recommended. A tip is a gesture from the client to the server for good and quick service. I tip for extra towels as necessary, for extra pillows, for a nice smile and explanation about the features of my room. We need to learn how to command service rather than demand service. I tip according friendliness on every trip. I also leave no tip at hotels that are full of incense or deoderiser, have dirty bedspreads, or spots in the middle of the room. This is the maid’s paid job to assure my comfort. The tip comes later.
I think it’s garbage that you have to tip, they should pay the people better and build it into the room rate. That being said I usually leave a couple of bucks a day, but it seems dumb.
I just leave my DND sign out most days. It’s environmentally wasteful to have towels and sheets washed daily anyway.
I spend over 75 nights a year in hotels, and I generally leave a minimum $2/day in tips. I know some people say to leave a larger tip at the end, but I don’t believe in that. If the hotel is more expensive than $200/night, I will cut the zeroes off and tip accordingly ($5 for a $500 hotel, etc). If the hotel is under $100/night, I still leave $2.
In case anyone is wondering, although I am on an expense account, I don’t expense it but that’s me.
They don’t wash your sheets every day – only weekly. And there are signs in just about every hotel explaining how to not have your towels washed every day if you so choose.
But I completely agree that tipping should not be mandatory. And it isn’t. The only reason I tip waitstaff is because they generally make less than minimum wage and it’s expected that they’ll make up the difference in tips. And if they don’t do a good job, they don’t get the tip. Anyone else, I don’t tip. I figure if I’m paying for the service, I’m not paying for it twice. For example, if I paid for a hotel room, which comes with cleaning service, I’m not paying for it twice by having to add in a tip. They make more than minimum wage. It’s not my job to make up for the lousy pay that hotels offer. If they wanted, they could raise their pay rates, and raise the room rates accordingly. And I would pay that, too. But I can’t say I’ve run into any of the problems outlined in the blog post here. Not even in the hotels that have minibars and bathrobes and other amenities they like to charge extra for. The worst I’ve ever had was a couple of charges for local phone calls I wasn’t expecting because I hadn’t read “the book.”
I have stayed in so many snobby hotels like that. Even the ones that are bet and run down ! Isn’t that their job?
Technically, you’re not required to tip, although the employees do appreciate it, it shouldn’t ever be a factor in the quality of service they provide.
At Hampton Inn, we always offer friendly service to everyone, tip or not! We know how important it is for both the customer to be satisfied, it’s what allows us to keep our quality service going year after year. We’ve even put together this hilarious video that features a poetic man dramatically stating his horrid hotel stays from cockroaches to stained bed sheets and moldy shower curtains.
you can see it here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=J2tgnUsj8NE
I know we can all relate!
Tipping or extortion? Nowadays it seems like you have to tip just about everyone.
Take out food, Newspaper delivery person, Mail delivery person, Plumber, Teachers and so on…
Look, I am not cheep, but I don’t tip for maid service, I already pay a “fee” for use of facilities, and when traveling I don’t use most anything (bed and towels, no time for pool/extras). Last time I was at a hotel they did not have any kind of amenities – according to hotel management it was more cost effective.
Yes I tip in the restaurant, and if the food is good, I try to make sure the chef is taken care. This is a service outside what I count as the norm. I could also go to a grocery store and get food. However, when traveling with a room it is totally different – I have no choice of where I am sleeping and at least part of the deal today is hotel housekeeper is included.
I have finally trained myself to leave a tip…up to $5 at a nice hotel (or a bit more if I have been upgraded to a suite since there is a lot more square footage for them to tidy up). I don’t expense it either.
I usually leave it near some hotel sign or with the card that says change my sheets.
I recently had one housekeeper stop me and thank me for the tip, which felt very good.
We just stayed at a rather nice hotel that had a hotel information folder available. Included was a section on tipping. What they “recommended” was $2 per day per person. While I feel that a tip is appreciated by the staff, having a “per person” tip seems overboard.
I think that all businesses should pay their employees in the order order of business costs. That means no tips. This is standard operating procedures in most other countries. I tried to tip a waiter in Australia and was informed that he already had his salary and tips were not in the realm of things.
Every once in a while I stay at a nicve hotel that has houosekeeping twice a day and turn down service. Do I leave a tip for the prople who do this stuff as well? I’m never quite sure. And if I do leave a tip for everyone, where does it end?
i prefer UK travel where employees are paid a living wage, insofar as i know, and offering tips seems to offend, even in clubs. Or maybe I just go to the wrong places!!!
If hotels would lead the way in paying a living wage, imagine how more workplace justice there could be in america.
I can’t say for a fact, but I bet the people who run hotel/motel chains, restaurants, and other businesses where tipping is encouraged are paid a huge amount. Way more than I am. The trickle down stuff is laughable, because money actually trickles/floods upwards……
I have not tipped much in the past, but guess I will be in the future. Thanks for the interesting comments……
Hotel cleaning staff does the hardest, dirtiest work for the lowest pay. I assume that many of them are supporting or helping to support families. I am very grateful to be in a position to travel and have someone clean up after me rather than to be the one whose job it is to clean up after people all day.
I leave a minimum of $3. More if I am in an expensive room, still more if I’ve been upgraded to a suite or if the room is more of a mess than usual (lots of people or with kids). As often as not, I either leave a note that all I need is clean towels and whatever supplies I need or sometimes I’ll tell the housekeeper if I see her in person, so she can plan her time accordingly. I still give at least a $3 tip.
Even if you are on a tight budget and staying at a budget hotel, you should be able to leave a couple of extra dollars for the hardworking cleaning people. Yes, hotels should pay a living wage, but they don’t.
I figure if I can’t afford to tip the people who take care of me, then I can’t afford to travel, period.
Sounds like a good way to get fired.
In response to a few posters; I don’t think anyone so far is making the point that tipping the housekeepers is overburdensome from a financial aspect. It’s just the point that tipping for every little thing seems to be on the rise. Before you blow a fuse, I’m not saying that maids, housekeepers, Room Attendants (makes it sound like they’re a permanent fixture in my room) – whatever we’re calling them these days – don’t work hard and “deserve” a tip. It’s just that wherever you go these days, someone has their hand out for “a little extra”. Where do you draw the line at what service is “tip-worthy” and what is not? Do you base it on what the “performer’s” base pay is? How do you know that? I have no idea – except for restaurant wait staff – what service careers pay above or below minimum wage. I’ve seen tip jars at the pizza parlor where I go to PICK UP my own pizza. C’mon!!! Now I’m supposed to tip you for what?…not screwing up my pizza? At what point is salary not considered enough to cover the service rendered?
Being European and hence not use to tipping I do second those folks above that argue that hotels should pay their staff properly. Quite frankly, I am getting sick of all the people that I come by on travel that expect a trip. I am even more annoyed that the travel industry basically is trying to guilt-trip me into tipping folks. And if I don’t tip, I am the bad guy, after all I am rich enough to be traveling. [censured expletive with a lot of F's]. I am not the bad guy! It’s the industry that’s the negligent employer. They are a service industry. They sold me a service, now deliver on it please. I should not have to throw dollars around me all the time to get the service that I purchased.
BTW: Don’t worry, I do tip. I do care about the abused employees. But it still pisses me of.
I was at a hotel recently where the housekeeper left an envelope on the bed with the word “tip” on it.
I agree with all those who say “where do you draw the line?” I went to Key West ONCE and swore I’d never return because it seemed EVERYONE who worked in any aspect of the tourist industry wore a tip jar around their necks. I hate to feel extorted to leave money. Guests who stay in hotels already have extra fees piled on top of the basic room cost…local tax, occupancy tax, city/local tourist tax, internet access, local phone calls, and one I found in Sacramento recently: assessment tax…What?????? I know the housekeepers work hard..some are union, I would imagine, and I believe it’s up to the unions to fight for a living wage. I’m really sorry for their plight, but it shouldn’t be my problem. If they go above and beyond their job, then a tip might be appropriate. To do their jobs adequately? No. Like the story a few weeks back about a travel agent who rescued a couple from not getting money back due to illness….she had screwed up, had to use her own errors and omissions insurance, saved the day, and was praised by some and I still can’t figure out why the praise was due. It seems these days if you do an adequate job then the rest of us should bow down and be grateful. Sorry to sound cruel, but the same message goes out to practically all airlines for what they are doing to us: “enough is enough”..and what about those boneheaded “resort fees”..does anyone really believe that shuttle drivers, housekeepers, etc ever really see a dime of those extorted fees?? Do I still have to tip the shuttle driver?? Sorry, again but I never got a tip for doing the job I agreed to do when they hired me…I’ve told stews that if they don’t like their jobs, if it gives them nothing but grief, then quit and find something else. For the time being this is still the land of the free and you can always find another job somewhere else…I really like the European models….tax and tip are almost always included except where American “values” have polluted the masses over there and now some in some parts of Europe expect tips as well….
Kate,
Thanks so much for the enlightenment. Wife & I travel all over Latin and Central America and I’ve always wondered if the tips we leave actually ever get to the housekeeping staff. If you had not suggested it, I would never have thought about placing our tips under the pillow. Excellent suggestion. I thank you.
David – Where are you finding all these people tipping teachers? I would get fired if I accepted a “tip” from one of my students! I can accept gifts, but let’s be honest… my K-12 students have never given me anything that’s actually nice (but of course, all the gifts are heartfelt and it’s truly the though that counts when you know it came from the kid rather than the parents). When I used to teach adults I got a lot of gifts, but what I appreciated more was the friendship! I moved to a new country and my adult students were amazingly kind to me – they invited me to all sorts of cool places I would never have known experienced without a local by my side.
What’s the big deal about tipping? Everyone says they would be happy if the cost were just factored into their room rate, the cost of their meal, etc… how is that any different? At least when that money is in the form of a tip you have the option to not leave it when the service is truly horrible. I’m perfectly happy to tip, especially in parts of the world where a little money to me can put a big smile on a maid, server or taxi driver’s face.
I work as a housekeeper and a host at an upscale Bed and Breakfast, and yes, tips are greatly appreciated. It’s appreciated when a guest has been staying with us for a few days, and we’ve changed sheets, cleaned showers, etc. It’s not such a big deal to skip a tip when you only stay for one night, but please, if you decide to pee in the shower before leaving, or have a period mishap all over the sheets be kind and leave a couple of dollars for the person that has to clean up something unexpected!
Tipping is appreciated by hotel staff, but it’s definitely not mandatory. I travel often for work on the order of 2-3 days per trip and I always leave the “do not disturb” sign up. Unless I spill something in the room (which is never) I do not leave a tip. I find it wasteful to have to clean my bathroom every single day, make my bed, and change my towels (towels left on the hook letting them know NOT to change it are in my experience always changed anyway). I’m very low maintenance and I can take care of myself. I don’t need to be coddled and frankly am not in my hotel room except to sleep and shower and watch a little local TV. So, if you really want to avoid tipping just leave the DND sign on your door.
I’m so sick and tired of people in the hospitality industry feeling ENTITLED to tips. Tips are earned by exceptional service. Not something to be expected as part of your pay.
Someone who would be so dishonest to raid the mini-bar of a guest’s room and stick them with the bill should be fired for theft – plain and simple.
If you don’t get what you feel is a reasonable tip, then step up your game next time.
I come from the UK, and regularly travel on business to the US. Unless a housekeeper does something exceptional I NEVER tip. Why should I?? I pay my bill, and the housekeepers are NOT my employees.
Tipping is for exceptional service – for which I always tip hansomely.
I think over the past few years America has kind of lost the plot with tipping. It has actually turned into bribery. For example if you want a decent coffee at your favourite global coffee chain in America – make sure you pt a tip in the jar at the till when you pay. To me, that is just bribery.
And as for tipping bartenders in Manhatten at 2 dollars a pop – that sucks!!
I’m a little shocked by the comments from the cheap seats here…$2 a day is extortion?!
Sure, they SHOULD have better wages, they SHOULD have a union, they SHOULDN’T need tips…but hotel owners and management are brutal when it comes to thinning the margins, and that includes what they pay the housekeepers and staff.
Similary, we SHOULD have healthcare for all in the U.S., and we SHOULD have the lowest infant mortality rate of any industrialized country (instead of the highest)…but reality is oh, so different than it SHOULD be.
I use the Do Not Distiurb sign for my entire stay, no matter how long, and I still leave $5 to $10 depending on the length of the stay.
It just seems fair, to me.
SERVICE industry….. I repeat SERVICE industry ……. right. I average 280 nights a year on the road. I travel with a 70lb tool kit, a suitcase with 5 days worth of work cloths and a 35lb computer bag. I stand 6′2″ and weigh 220. I can move my bags VERY efficiently and prefer to load them myself.
While in LA once, I was going from National car rental to LAX (D*** I HATE rental car buses!) I stepped up to the bus and had to fight off the bus driver to load my bags, and I mean EVERY BAG, I told her I could do it, held on to my bag, had to work my way around HER. Mentally I’m going “Lady, do I LOOK like I need your help???”.
When we get to the terminal, I yank both of my big bags off a bus in about 3 secs flat and then return for my computer bag (I’m good at this, I do it EVERY DAY), She’s standing in the aisle with her hand out. I pretend not to notice and get off the bus, stack my bags and look back, she’s STILL at the top of the stairs WITH HER HAND OUT!!!!
I make a good living, sure, but I still know exactly when payday happens. If I were to tip every time somebody touches my bags, cleans my room, GIVES ME A PAPER TOWEL IN THE TOILET (Geesh, don’t you LOVE Charlotte Airport!). I could rip through my $35 per diem, before I eat a bite! I refuse to backcharge my company for tipping, I tip for Good Service and Attitude. I’m starting to find that I really appreciate my trips to Korea and Japan where tipping is almost an insult.
I am a hotel housekeeper . From my viewpoint, I found many of your comments demeaning and incredibly self centered. I work in mid-size hotel. I make 8.25 an hour, That is the standard wage for every housekeeper that works for this chain of hotels whether or not she has put in one year of service or twenty, I have no health care, no dental plan, no sick days. I do have two weeks paid vacation. I, and all my fellow housekeepers work our butts off cleaning your room in the prescribed time allotment- often skipping our breaks and meals to meet quota, risking injury lifting heavy mattresses over and over daily so we can ensure you have a nice clean bed . (By the way-I don’t know of any hotel chains who only change sheets weekly-ewwww….! We change them every second day or daily if the guest requests it be done, and many do) . We scrub toilets, and wash floors on our hands and knees just like the gals on TV who are doing ‘hard time”- but they don’t have to buy their own groceries.We breathe in the vapour from at least four noxious cleaning sprays. We bend over so many times in a days picking up clutter and trash its a wonder our backs don’t give way like a summer twig. We have to be incredible perfectionists-ensuring that when you see your room for the first time-its spotless. We worl hard because we don’t want to get fired, we all need the money we earn, and we feel terrible when a guest complains because we rushed and missed something We WORK damned HARD for little pay and practically no recognition. We always have to be accomodating, polite, and dutiful, even when a guest is being fussy and we know that accomodating his desires will make us fall behind on our time for the day. Yet… we take real pride in providing you with a nice clean room. We take pride in making you as comfy as possible EVEN if you cannot reward our efforts with a small tip. We don’t expect tips-we really don’t. When you leave a tip just makes our day a whole lot brighter . And we always tell the other girls, “Mr. so and so in room 107 left a tip”! You can bet Mr. 107 get’s GREAT service when we know he is back in town. Mr. 107 is special, he’s a rare bird, and we don’t forget it when someone is simply kind. TIps are rare for us to receive and it makes us feel like we are appreciated when some nice guy or gal leaves a small gratuity. We are providing you with service-its a simple as that, and in a huge slice of North America – it is standard to tip for a service. If you don”t like that, please join a housekeepers lobby group so we can get a higher wage and smaller workload .
Yes, from a financial viewpoint, this is a crappy job but someone HAS to do it -we are the foundation of the hotel industry. Yep, you are right, anyone with a good education or super duper self esteem probably won’t be found cleaning toilets. But we all are incredibly hardworking, HONEST to a fault, and if you are not-you are ALWAYS immediately let go. We really do strive to make your stay pleasant and enjoyable-even if you don’t see our faces most of the time. Do we deserve better pay? YES! Are we likely to get it? NO! (we have no voice you see) Do we expect a tip? NO! Do we deserve a tip if we deliver good service! YES!
I have been a housekeeper for over 4 years. and while i don’t exspect a tip it sure does make the day a little better knowing that my back breaking work is well appreciated. as for the one comment above from bela that we make more than min. wage. WRONG!! And not for the lack of our work either. I bust my butt daily to give people a comfortable, clean room to stay in. I have also found that the ppl who make the least amount of mess are the ones who tip. So, no it’s not required to tip, however next time you stay in a hotel and love the clean room, it’s nice to throw a buck on the pillow as a way of saying hey, your hard work is appreciated.
Why on earth would your tip be based on room rate? So if the room is $200 you leave 2$ and if it $500 you leave $5?!!!! OMG talk about stupidity. So the person that works in the high end hotel makes less so they need more tip? I am not following this.
I think 2$ at checkout for one nights stay is a decent amount. If I stay more than one day and I am having my room cleaned during my stay I will walk up to the cart and ask for some toiletry and than ask if they will be cleaning my room and give the person $2 ahead of time. I do not have the room cleaned daily, I am not a pig.
I worked for many years in the hotel industry and the housekeeping staff are just shit on all the time by everybody unknowingly. Then the guests go out and pay some order taker/salesman (yes that is what waiters and waitresses have become in the corporate restaurant industry) 20% for trying to push some overpriced drink and appetizer. They do not even bring the food to you anymore. So they get $5 for yapping while the housekeeper gets $5 for cleaning your toilet, washing the tub (don’t forget changing the curtain), sheets on the bed, junk on the floor, vacuum,…all this IF THEY WORK IN A $500/NIGHT HOTEL. If they don’t than they get $2 but the waiter still gets 5$ because he suggested those buffalo wings and that pint of margarita.
16 rooms a day= 20+ minutes of busting ass per room
If it really came down to who deserved it more, who do you think should should get a tip?
tipping in South Florida is extortion; this is a service oriented part of Florida;when you tip there is no thank 99npercent of the time ; just a look gee could you not have tipped me more; even on delivery on which there is a delivery fee you are often asked how much change you want back; whenever thaat is said i say all of it; some places like Publix have a no tipping policy ; however when i find the service exceptional i will tip; i am fed up with tipping period; if you are unhappy with your job find a better one.
Wow the trickle down theory in all of it’s failed promise. I tip people, of course for great service, but also for the invaluable connections it provides me that are otherwise difficult to make. When I tip people they open up vast amounts of information otherwise contained in if you do care I don’t care frame of mind. Everyone is important everyone. Maybe a tip would have provided you with info that the hotel room had last been occupied by a person with H1N1 or some other malady you might want to avoid. Room service may tip you to a nearby eatery that offers better fare than the hotel.How do you reward people for exceptional service, many of you expect a company bonus but are writing here that you should be paid what your job paids and nothing else. sometimes a tip rather than the nasty keep every dollar life ever gave you may save you. The cab driver who sees you into the building he dropped you at in a marginal neighborhood. Care and comfort because you needed it in the form of an extra towel or blanket. I’m so glad that the money that I help others with has also help me simply by giving it. Money isn’t always the medium of exchange. The people who work in places that we claim we would not work in can’t give us a dollar or two for showing up. Wow how about the unseen amount of effort to ensure we have an uncomplicated visit or meal. What about a safe comforable ride to and fro. What about looking out for us when we can’t for ourselves.