“This ruined what was to be a joyous day”

February 12, 2010

Gerald Zekas’ youngest daughter, Caryn, wanted a destination wedding in Las Vegas, but right about now, he probably wishes she’d stayed home. Their special vacation was riddled with bad customer service experiences from start to finish — and worse, no one has bothered to acknowledge a single one of them.

But his vacation horror story is more than a case study in hospitality gone awry. It’s a valuable lesson in how to complain effectively.

Here’s what happened to Zekas, in his own words:

Extra fees. “We were victims of a la carte fees when we booked a package through Southwest that included airfare, a four-night stay at the Mirage and a rental car from Alamo. The airfare was without additional fees, but we incurred ‘resort fees’ at the Mirage and exorbitant extra fees at Alamo. Based on the gruff treatment by the Alamo counter agent I do not plan to ever again use Alamo. When the agent asked me whether I would be paying for their insurance, and I informed him that I felt my USAA car insurance was adequate, he aggressively pursued the sale by saying that Nevada state law would hold me personally liable for a list of items spelled out on a sheet he handed me. It was definitely a hard-sell tactic, which I did not experience in my previous vacation in Las Vegas a couple of years ago. When I mentioned that this was not explained to me during my last visit, he ignored my comment and continued with his hard sell until I finally gave in.

Bad food. “Another example of poor customer service is our dining experience at the Bellagio Buffet. We were quite impressed with the ambiance at the Bellagio and decided to treat ourselves to dinner there at the end of our stay. On our way in, we met a couple exiting and spoke briefly to them about whether they enjoyed their meal. They were very displeased, but explained that it was the end of the lunch serving and that dinner was just starting and we would most likely have a different experience. We debated for a few minutes whether to dine there based on their experience but decided to go ahead. What a mistake that was! McDonald’s would have been a far better option. The food was terrible and the service just as bad. Just goes to show you that you can’t judge a book by it’s cover. Needless to say I won’t be recommending the Bellagio to anyone.”

No photos for you! “Arrangements were previously made with [a] photographer to have pictures taken after the wedding at Valley of the Fire Nevada State Park, located an hour north of Las Vegas for which we hired two rental cars. We followed the photographer in our two rental cars with four members of the wedding party in each car. When we arrived at the park each of the three drivers paid the $6 admission fee and we proceeded to the first of several planned photo shoots in the park. When we arrived and walked to the photo shoot, we were promptly approached by a female park ranger, who informed us that we had to leave the park immediately. When we asked why she said that since the commercial photographer did not have a permit to take photos, we were in violation of state and national park regulations. We were not allowed to stay and take our own family photos with our personal cameras but were forced to leave. Needless to say, this ruined what was to be a joyous day.”

Rude airport employees. “The final poor customer service experience happened at the airport as we were getting ready to check in. As we approached the curbside check in the employee asked whether we would be checking our bags with him. When we indicated we would go inside, he made a snide remark and thus concluded our trip much the same as it had begun.”

Gerald, I think it’s safe to say Elvis is spinning in his grave.

Zekas sent an email to the Nevada Tourism Web site, complaining about the park ranger. It was ignored. He sent the other grievances directly to me.

Just one problem: Even though the Nevada Tourism site claims to be official, it isn’t. The real Nevada site is here. I’m not convinced anyone would have answered him, anyway.

The photography complaint should have been directed to Nevada State Parks. Likewise, he should have contacted Alamo, Bellagio and Mirage directly with his other grievances.

Even if there were a clearinghouse for Nevada tourism complaints, it’s unlikely anyone would have responded to Zekas in a meaningful way. Why? Because laundry lists are among the least effective kind of grievances. I see a lot of them for cruises (“I didn’t get the dinner seating I wanted, the cabin steward was rude, the midnight buffet ended at 11:45″) and travel companies typically throw those into the circular file.

Bottom line, though, is that Zekas’ complaints are legit and someone should have taken them seriously. Finding that someone — that’s the trick.

(Photo: Roadsidepictures/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • http://everything-everywhere.com Gary Arndt

    No offense, but most of the complaints sound like….complaining. I’ve had car rental companies try to sell me insurance every time I’ve rented a car. Just say “no”. If they gave in, that was their problem.

    They didn’t like the food at the Bellagio buffet. Everything at the buffet??? Its a buffet, they have a ton of food. I find it hard to believe that they couldn’t find something to eat. I’m sure the hundreds of people who ate the same food at the same buffet didn’t have the same complaint.

    Honestly, nothing here seems out of the ordinary of what you might encounter for any trip. At best, if everything they say is true, it might fall into a grey area of unmet expectations, not a gross violation of customer service.

    A snide remark at the airport? What was the remark? Given the above complaints, I sort of wonder what the comment was.

    A single Google Search for “photography at state parks nevada” got me this site (http://parks.nv.gov/vf.htm) which clearly states that you need a permit to do wedding photography at the park. It might be a dumb rule, but that’s the rule.

  • Aaron

    I agree. Didn’t sound like he properly planned ahead. Simple research would have shown the need to get a permit for the photography. He could have just said no to Alamo. In terms of the resort fees, I’m sure Southwest disclosed that their fees did not cover resort fees.

    Sounds like this guy just had a bad time and is trying to vent.

  • Mike

    While I agree that the buffet comment was probably a bad one to complain about as was the rental and airport complaint, the park ranger one is legitimate as far as I am concerned. I have NEVER seen a park prohibit taking of photographs and I have a PILE of personal photos taken in that very same park. I would have asked to see her supervisor immediately and asked why even personal camera pictures were not allowed. Escalate way up the ladder if you have to. the only thing I can think of as to why the ranger didn’t want this going on was if the cars all stopped where there was not a designated parking area. Otherwise, they don’t deserve to even be working there.

  • Eric Hendrix

    Sorry to jump on board here, but I have to agree….this reads like nothing but a bunch of whining and crying.

    First, nobody forced you to buy insurance. Car rental agencies have “hard sell” tactics on add-on insurance. Lots of places do, it’s how they make extra money. If you can’t stand up for yourself and have the guts to say no, don’t try to blame anyone but yourself. Grow a spine and say no.

    As far as Bellagio goes, the Bellagio buffet is one of the better rated buffets in Vegas, and it has been for years (79% recommended on TripAdvisor). I’ve eaten there at least a dozen times over the years myself. If you’re at a buffet that has over (literally) hundreds of items and you can’t find one thing you like….then yeah, maybe you should eat at McDonald’s instead.

    Like Gary pointed out above, the photography issue is (again) completely your fault. Do your research first and you’ll know exactly what you need to have. It’s stated quite clearly that you need a permit.

    Lastly…someone made a snide remark at the airport? Please tell me which airport doesn’t have people making snide remarks; I’d like to go there one day. Traveling is a hectic experience in today’s world and continues to get worse, not better.

  • Mike

    You all sure can be tough on a guy.

    Resort fees are rip-offs but a fact of life. Anyone who travels much knows that in resort communities like Vegas they will get stuck. But someone who doesn’t and pre-pays for his vacation can easily be taken by surprise and feel put upon.

    As for the park issues, the local professional photographer should have known the rules. The park ranger was right in enforcing them but recognizing the situation had no reason to thereafter expell them from the park and deny them the right to take personal pictures.

    They should have gotten his or her name and filed a formal complaint with the Park Service. Shame on that professional photographer and park ranger.

    As far as the hard sell goes, get some backbone and just say NO. There actually are situations not covered by credit card coverage and your own insurance that could leave you with a large loss. Still, I never take the offered insurance except when out of the country. If I decline coverage I do carefully inspect the car, take pictures of any damage, note the damage with the rental agency before driving off and take pictures of the car when I return it.

    As for the rude baggage handler, if that is the worst thing to happen to you in a day you’ve had a great day. Get over it.

    Stop whining and focus on what is important. Life for you will get immediately better.

  • Szymon Krasucki

    The packages through Southwest don’t include resort fees, and they don’t include taxes/airport fees for car rentals which is what the person probably encountered. I agree that they should’ve said no to the insurance though.

  • http://everything-everywhere.com Gary Arndt

    While I do think the park rule about photography is dumb, the person who should have known was the photographer, assuming they were a real professional. I have to believe that any professional wedding photographer worth their salt in the Vegas area would have known that.

  • J.C.

    I agree with Gary and Aaron. Poor planning and unmet expectations.

    Car rental agents have alwyas try to sell me their insurance. If you can’t say no, than don’t complain. Joining a car club plan , like National’s Emerald Isle, can eliminate dealing with counter agents. I go stright to the isle and choose my car, than give my paperwork to the gate attendant and go- no hard sell. If you need a permit at a park and didn’t get one – it’s poor planning.

    Many Vegas hotels have resort fees and they are a problem, but it’s not hard to find hotels that DON’T have them. I know this was a package but you still have to know what you’re buying.

    The rest – food, rude employees sounds like once something goes wrong, everything goes wrong. Nothing will please them. It’s unfortunate they weren’t pleased with their trip but again sounds like poor planning which lead to nothing going right.

  • Paulette Baker

    @Mike: Your photos are PERSONAL photos. Many parks require COMMERCIAL photographers, such as a wedding photographer, to have a permit. A bit of research would have disclosed that requirement. I agree with Gary that a professional photographer from the Vegas area would have known that.

    All in all, sounds like a lot of whinging — and that this guy’s poor daughter got what her father paid (or didn’t pay) for.

  • SirWired

    To explain the pro photography rules: Pro often spend a lot of time setting up shots, carry around bulky equipment, etc. This can spoil the view and enjoyment of other park guests. Needing a permit to professionally photograph in a park, museum, botanical garden, or other tourist spot is fairly common (if not universal) throughout the country. Not getting the proper permit was totally the photographer’s fault. And the lack of the photos “ruined” the day? I always thought that the marriage itself was the highlight.

    I agree with everyone else that there was no need to give in on the insurance, and since it is so durn profitable, I don’t see rental companies stopping the hard sell any time soon, despite the fact there is so much overlap.

  • Michelle

    Interesting….we’ve become so accustomed to rude, unprofessional, snippy, surly, and downright mean “customer service” people that when someone complains about it, we tell him to “suck it up and deal.” There was a day, not too long ago, when a snide remark or a rude, high-pressure sales pitch, or a bad day at a buffet would have warranted a complaint and management would have done something about it. Now, we just think the people who bring bad service to our attention are whiners.

    According to a former employee I know, Alamo has been doing this for years, and it’s really not okay. They’re pressuring anyone they can to buy extra things they don’t need, and the people who fall for it are the ones who don’t know any better and/or are too tired to argue about it. It’s manipulative and unethical, even if it’s not illegal, in my opinion.

    Bad food is bad food, and most restaurants, at one time or another, have a bad night. I’ve been to excellent restaurants and thought the food and/or the service were awful. Just because it was wonderful the other 364 evenings of the year, doesn’t mean it wasn’t awful the one night I went or that I don’t have the right to complain about it being awful. And who’s to say the seafood wasn’t wonderful, but they can’t eat shellfish, so they ended up with the tough, overcooked prime rib?

    The Park Ranger should be counseled. She could have easily told the photographer to leave (who was clearly in his own car) and let the family stay to take their own photos. They PAID A FEE to get into that park, so as long as the professional left, they should have been allowed to stay. Rules are there for a reson, but common sense and common courtesy would dictate that a family with an incompetent, local photographer could be allowed to take some personal photo–at least one other person has commented that they have personal photos from that very park.

    My father was a hotel manager and auditor, and if a customer had a bad experience, he would always discuss it with the employee(s) in question and figure out how the customer could have had a better experience. I don’t believe the customer is always right, but I also don’t believe customer service people have the right to treat them like their always wrong or bothersome. I do believe that rudeness and unprofessionalism has become too acceptable.

  • Shruti Desai

    I don’t doubt that Mr. Zekas had a terrible trip and when one thing goes wrong EVERYTHING seems so awful. However, not checking to see if you have permission for professional photos seems very odd; you can say NO to the hard-sell tactic and he had fair warning about the bad food and service.

    This seems a case of a lot of little things going wrong that add up to a big thorn–some were preventable (like the photo thing), some were difficult and may need some assistance (the hard sell IS hard to deny and we all know car rental companies lay it on thick for those commissions), but complaining about the restaurant and the rude gatecheck guy is just overkill…

  • Stephen Weihman

    I’ve had the same hard-sell from Alamo in Hawaii. Was rudely told by the clerk that if didn’t buy their insurance, and got into an accident or had the car stolen, state law gave them the right to throw me in jail until I paid cash for the entire damage. When I started laughing at him, he finally relented and let me have the keys to my car. I took pictures of the entire car before and after renting, showing the car condition, just in case.

  • http://horizon.unc.edu James Morrison

    It seems to me that the agency that sold a package deal should have included all fees/costs in that package (i.e., airline cost, including taxes et al; hotel fee, including all taxes; and auto rental cost and fees). Mr. Zekas should consider picking a bone with Southwest.

  • LeeAnne

    Honestly, I’m surprised Christopher even posted this article. I’m sure he gets hundreds of more worthwhile travel complaints to deal with, in which he can actually make a difference. But this one…what did he think he could do, other than provide a sounding board?

    My question to Mr. Zekas is – what do you want? What are you expecting to happen now? You had a series of disatisfactions with several completely unrelated entities – a hotel, a car-rental agency, a restaurant, a state park, an airport. None of these companies are connected. Did you really think that writing to some “tourism website” would result in some type of compensation? What did you think they would do? At best, you might get some form letter apologizing on behalf of…well, of what? The state of Nevada? Is that what you wanted – somebody to apologize on behalf of all of the travel businesses of the state of Nevada for spoiling your day?

    You certainly couldn’t have expected to get any MONEY back! Who would give it back to you – the individual companies that displeased you? Did you think the Nevade Tourist Board was going to be a central clearning house for fighting on behalf of disatisfied tourists who didn’t like their dinner?

    No, you’d have to go to each company yourself. And that’s not gonna get you anywhere either. First of all, I guarantee that if you looked in the fine print of the deal you bought from Southwest, you’d find a note that they don’t cover resort fees. Nobody does. And Alamo won’t pay you back – hey, you’re the one who caved into the hard sell. Next time you rent a car, remember: JUST SAY NO. The Bellagio isn’t going to refund your money because you couldn’t find a single thing you liked among its over 100 offerings (btw, I love the Bellagio buffet). The State Park ranger is the only one who really committed an offense – so you might have been entitled to get your $6 back. But your real complaint should have been with the photographer who blew the job by not knowing the rules he needed to know to ply his trade. You had a valid complaint with him – but, funny, you didn’t mention him. Did you get your money back from him?

    As for the rude dude at the airport…really? What did you want from HIM? And what do you expect from low-paid curb workers who live mostly on tips?

    This whole article was a waste. Christopher, I love ya, but can you please just ignore the complainers who have nothing better to do than bother you with laundry lists of picayune grievances? I’m sure you have travelers with REAL problems out there who need your expert, Corleone-esq help.

    @Michelle – I undertand what you’re saying. None of us want to have to put up with the degradation of customer service that seems to have taken hold the world over. But, being a realist is better than walking around with rose colored glasses and then being disappointed. This is the reality we are faced with. You have two options: 1) be prepared for the inevitable annoyances you will encounter when traveling, and do your best to work through them, get past them, and go on to enjoy your trip, or 2) get all upset and huffy and let it spoil your trip and blind you to all the GOOD things that happened, and then waste a bunch of time sending whining letters all over the place crying about your bad experiences, that will result in absolutely nothing other than forcing you to dwell over and over on the bad instead of the good. (Btw, how was the wedding, Mr. Zekas?)

    I choose option 1.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    One thing that was not mentioned in the article…his travel agent; therefore, it is my guess that Mr. Zekas purchased this package from Southwest via the Internet. If Mr. Zekas was working with a travel agent, the travel agent could have disclosed the extra fees and might have been able to make him aware of the requirements for a commercial photographer and etc.

    Did Mr. Zekas complained about the buffet to the manager on duty before he left? It seems like he didn’t. One time the food at the buffet at the MGM was subpar, we spoke with the manager stating that the food was sub-par compared to our previous experiences, he explained that there were recent changes in the chefs\cooks and he gave us a voucher for free buffets which we used on our next trip to Las Vegas.

  • Greg

    First off, this sounds like a bunch of whining coming from someone who has a hard time articulating and being assertive.

    Second, and I am in no way affiliated with or benefiting from this next comment, but the Bellagio brunch is THE best brunch in Vegas. I have tried just about all of them from Orleans’ to Mandalay Bay’s to MGM’s and Bellagio is FAR superior in selection, service, and quality of food. In fact, every year I host the largest 4-day long car show event for my type of car (which will remain anonymous) where at the end we dine at the Bellagio before heading out and EVERYONE always compliments this place. Last year there were over 70 of us and not one complaint.

    Just thought this was worth sharing because we are always taken care of when we go there and the Zekas’ sound like they had a uniquely poor experience that day along with the other couple. Hopefully whoever served them is no longer an employee because that is the first complaint I’ve heard of the place.

  • David Z

    @Michelle – I undertand what you’re saying. None of us want to have to put up with the degradation of customer service that seems to have taken hold the world over. But, being a realist is better than walking around with rose colored glasses and then being disappointed. This is the reality we are faced with. You have two options: 1) be prepared for the inevitable annoyances you will encounter when traveling, and do your best to work through them, get past them, and go on to enjoy your trip, or 2) get all upset and huffy and let it spoil your trip and blind you to all the GOOD things that happened, and then waste a bunch of time sending whining letters all over the place crying about your bad experiences, that will result in absolutely nothing other than forcing you to dwell over and over on the bad instead of the good.

    Not to mention more people are seemingly expecting (or demanding?) more than what people are “normally” prepared or can afford to handle.

  • Ed

    I had the same experience with Alamo in Las Vegas several years ago. I got the hard sell from one of the employees up to the point where they showed me actual accident photographs that they had in a laminated book. Some of the photos showing actual blood and what can only be described as body parts. Needless to say, I will never rent from Alamo again. In fact, that is what got me to do all my car rentals through Avis. I have to say, a much better experience.
    As for the photography at the National park…I hate to say this, but if your photographers were professionals, they should have know this. This is standard fare anywhere in the country. I live in Northern Virginia, and at a visit to the nation’s capitol a few years ago, I wanted to take some HDR photos of the monuments as the sun was setting, for dramatic effect, so I set up a small tripod and attached my camera…not a big fancy one, just a small Kodak digital camera…No sooner was I done, when a park ranger came up to me and informed me that I needed to have a permit to take my photos. She said that because I was using a tripod, that it was assumed that I was a professional and that the photographs I was taking was for profit. Therefore, they wanted their cut in the form of paying for a permit. so, that squashed that. Seems that the the nations parks are a not for profit venture, so anyone making money from them must pay for the priviledge. A similar thing happened to a friend of mine taking pictures at Grand Central Station in DC. After setting up his tripod to get some pictures of the sunlight streaming in from the overhead windows, a police man approached him and said that he was not allowed to take photos there…no reason, just that he wasn’t allowed. When he pointed out that others were taking photos with their camera phones, the police man ignored that and told him that he had to go. And again, I had the same issue in a local shopping mall. Seems that the architecture of the mall is copyrighted and that they do not want people taking photographs, professional level photos without the express permission of the owners of the mall…Go figure…everybody has their hand out! The internet photosites are fill of similar experiences. I have been reading about this for the last 5 years now. and I’m not a professional photographer…just a weekend snap and shoot that loves cameras! I do have a work-around though. I have one of those walking sticks that has a camera mount on one end and a small three legged tripod at the other end. When I want to snap a shot, I quickly mount the camera, unfold the legs, take my pictures and in less than 30 seconds, I’m on my way with none the wiser!
    Ed
    web/gadget guru

  • http://www.cutcat.com Regina

    I partly agree with Gary. Exactly who are these complaints addressed to? There were several different issues and the tourist board would not have been the place to complain. Frankly there isn’t much that’s earth-shattering here. The two issues that do stand out are the photo fiasco and the resort fees. The photo problem is partly the fault of the photographer, who was responsible for getting the permit and certainly should have known that it was required; and partly the fault of the ranger for not even allowing them to take personal photos with their own camera, which is ludicrous. And the resort fees should have been disclosed when she booked the package; I would insist that Southwest refund them. The other complaints are lame. They had one bad-food experience, one rude airline employee and a pushy car-rental employee…big deal. It’s the customer’s responsibility to know what his or her personal auto policy covers, and if you don’t know and you give in to the agent, that is your problem. These petty complaints detract from the legitimacy of the important ones.

  • EEH

    I’m siding with the park ranger on this one. What difference does it make whether the pictures are taken with personal cameras or by a professional? At that point, they are wedding photos and the park requires a permit for that. Pictures taken of a wedding party are wedding pictures no matter who is behind the camera. They are not personal photos as such. Heck, suppose they had a friend with a nice camera who was supposed to take the pictures instead of the incompetent photographer that they did hire? The outcome would have been the same: no permit, no photos. As for the person commenting that they have personal photos taken at the park, I’m going to venture that they are pictures of the scenery, not of a wedding party, and therein lies the difference.

    As for the rest, I agree that one needs to learn how to say NO in the face of a hard sell and sometimes bad dinners just happen.

  • Well Traveled Farm Boy

    Glad I saw this article today, before booking a rental cars for two upcoming trips. Alamo and Avis were my top choices. However, Alamo sounds like it is going the way of Thrifty with their extremely poor service, threatening/intimidating employees at the counter/etc. What happened to the times not so long ago where customers were respected???

  • Jesse

    This posting reminds me a recent one from a couple that went to St. Lucia and had nothing but complaints that I didn’t feel were necessarily warranted.

    Though I think it’s definitely sad that a wedding and Vegas vacation went awry – I feel some basic beforehand research, fine print reading, and more real-time follow ups could have saved the day.

    *Every* car company pushes their insurance. It’s a HUGE money maker (as 99+% of people don’t get into accidents so it’s essentially money for nothing). If you’re confident that your own auto insurance and/or credit card will cover any damage or liability, just firmly say “no” and sign whatever waiver they give you. This is a part of life when you travel.

    *Every* hotel can and will charge fees above and beyond your purchased package. A quick and dirty look on swavacations.com (where this was booked) yielded:
    “The following Taxes and Fees are not included in the package price:
    - Hotel energy surcharge, baggage handling, crib, and rollaway costs are payable directly to hotel. Additionally, unless otherwise specified, resort fees, parking fees and special service fees at the hotel are NOT included in the package price and are payable directly to the hotel.”

    There you have it again – so advanced research could have made this expected.

    As for the Bellagio – I’ve had crappy meals at super fancy restaurants before too. It’s a matter of taste and interpretation, so I don’t feel qualified to comment.

    As for the wedding photo – I spent 15 seconds and googled “las vegas state park wedding photo”. The first link that came back is http://parks.nv.gov/vf.htm … which (in bolded text) says: “# Check at Visitor Center for information regarding professional photography use of Nevada State Parks.
    # Weddings require a permit. Contact the park for additional information.”

    So … in about ~3 minutes of researching as I was writing this reply, I found out all the information needed to have been well prepared for this Vegas jaunt.

    This is the St. Lucia post all over again. Lack of planning and beforehand research does not make “ruined” vacations worthy of complaint and refunds.

  • Les

    I can sympathize with Mr. Zekas.

    Most of the readers of Chris’ postings are somewhat experienced travelers – business or personal – and have developed experience and practices that help us cope with the abrasive (and abusive) environment we encounter. The condition is certainly worse in high volume money mills like Las Vegas or Hawaii.

    The cumulative effect on someone like Mr. Zekas who feels the responsibility for his daughter’s special occasion would leave nerves rubbed raw. In that condition it would be understandable that slights, injustices and just plain rudeness would build into one large sense of being ripped-off.

  • Roberto

    I don’t think this is a waste of an article. While it’s true that a seasoned traveler wouldn’t have had any of the above problems, certain companies need to be named and shamed.

    Rental car companies routinely lie and mislead about CDW/LDW. They should be called on it.

    “Resort Fees” stink, and hotels that charge them should be named publicly.

    The “bad food” incident is instructional: if you’re experiencing a negative travel experience, you need to say something immediately. How is Bellagio supposed to fix your bad dinner from 2 weeks ago, when you’re back home in Arkansas?

    This is a great example of what is wrong with the travel industry, and with travelers.

  • Bob

    The Bellagio buffet is awesome. It’s expensive, but I still go out of my way to eat there at least once for dinner every time I’m in Vegas. It’s worth every penny. The last time I was there was almost a year ago though, so unless something drastically changed since then, I find the OP’s complaint about the food hard to believe. If they weren’t sure, they should have just asked to walk around the look at the buffet before buying dinner there. The staff is always happy to let customers do that.

  • erik

    I read Christopher Elliot’s Travel-blog and e-mails, “religiously”.
    I learn so much about Attitude, and what to do, and what Not to do.

    My favorite is his Complaint Letter section, where he tries,
    goes the extra mile, and succeeds in getting Refunds and Satisfaction
    for Land-base Resort, Car Rental, Air passenger, and Cruise customers
    who have felt “put-upon, ignored, and yes, even ripped-off”.
    He always gets “monetary satifaction” even for those people, who I feel are “pushing the envelope” and don’t deserve full monetary satisfaction.

    Christopher, today I Salute you! How refreshing to finally see a complaint
    recognized for what it was and is……..Whining, and possibly venting!

    p.s. by the way, I do feel for the writer. He did have a
    “Series of Unfortunate Events”, but haven’t we all?
    It’s like losing your camera or binoculars, “bummer”,
    but “Rising above it”, and not letting that one incident Ruin your trip.
    It’s a Challenge and yes, it’s Easy to say and Hard to do, but do it we must.

    Regroup emotionally, Center yourself back into the Moment, and Move-on.
    “Let your Winners run, and Cut your Losses short.”

    Am I making any sense? Please comment, if you’d like.
    quote: “Hope springs Eternal.”

  • http://www.angrymarks.com/ Kevin Fields

    Hey, maybe Chris was having a slow news week? Or maybe he just wanted to post this so that his readers could sound off with the advice instead?

    I’m not going to rehash the statements that so many others already have. I think this was a good article for Chris to post, however. As he said, this is an example how to complain (or not complain) effectively.

    At each step, Mr. Zekas probably needed to stop and address the situation properly. When he found out about the resort fees, he should have challenged them at the desk, and contacted the company who arranged the travel package (Southwest, in this case?) and have them bang out the issue there. The bad food at the buffet? Immediately talk to management and see if they can work out an alternate meal, or a refund. And, not to be harsh, but it was Mr. Zekas’ fault that he let himself be pressured into buying insurance that he didn’t need, but again he could have addressed the issue right there.

    The only one where I can give him a pass is with the state park. The photographer, if he truly was a professional, should have known this in advance, he planned the shots he should have known the requirements. I don’t think you can fault Mr. Zekas for assuming that the professional he hired would not be prepared to do their job. However, with regard to the passes they already purchased, again it should have been addressed right there with the ranger, or a supervisor.

  • Lisa S

    Thank you, Michelle, for a very reasonable response.

  • Ted – Phoenix Justice

    I feel for Mr. Zekas. He was dealing with a lot of stress, considering it was his daughter’s wedding and was probably shelling out the monies for just about everything. I am sure he not only had his wife, but his daughter and any other family members yelling into his ear anytime even the smallest issue came up. And let’s be honest here, its rather difficult to have a backbone when you have that type of stress going on.

    Sure, there are things he could have done, but in the exact same situation, can you honestly state that you wouldn’t want to just throw up your arms and say “I give up”?

  • Wrona

    If there is a point to this article it should be about when and how to make an effective complaint. All of these complaints should’ve been taken to the service provider directly, not some anonymous tourist bureau. Complain to Southwest about the failure to disclose the resort fees, complain to Alamo about the hard sell on the insurance. And for at least a few of the issues, the complaint should’ve come at the time the issue occurred (ask for a supervisor at Alamo, ask for a manager at the Bellagio), while there is still the possibility of the issue being resolved. After the fact, it’s a lot harder to get a successful resolution.

  • Duke Nukem

    Bellagio Buffet worse than McDonalds???? That doesn’t compute. I’d go to Vegas JUST for the Bellagio Buffet!!!

    I think people in general need to be taught how to travel light (guilty!), how to complain, and how to do good research before doing some activity. Otherwise, the US can become the US Chinese Popular Republic (what with all that they owe to China and stuff)…

  • Carver Farrow

    My two cents…

    I’m assuming that the OP is not an experienced traveler so bearing that in mind.

    Resort fees can easily surprise an inexperienced traveler. Particularly if they were not budgetted. That being said, its still the traveler’s responsibility to read the rules carefully

    The park ranger was very wrong to expel the OP. That’s a legit complaint

    Like others, I am skeptical that the OP couldn’t find anything to eat at one of the most renowned buffets at one of Las Vegas’ premier hotels.

    I do take strong disagreement with the poster who suggested that the trip would have been better with a travel agent. Yes, the OP would probably have known about the resort fees, but the photographer’s lack of a license would not have been know to the TA. And any TA would have recommended the Bellagio to the OP. SO a TA really might have only assisted in one area.

  • Jesse

    I swear this whole post and comment thread is the St. Lucia fiasco of several months ago all over again!

    I don’t think you have to be an experienced traveler to know that you should research things before you commit to them and also to know that it’s always a good idea to read the fine print.

    These are life lessons – not road warrior ones.

    Though Mr. Zekas learned the hard way, you can bet he’ll be reading the fine print and calling ahead from this point on.

  • LeeAnne

    @Jesse: the St. Lucia couple came immediately to mind for me as well. Same thing: a few minutes of research would have (mostly) eliminated the problems. Of course, no amount of research can protect you from bad food or rude employees. That can happen anywhere, at any price. And there’s simply no point in complaining about it weeks later to tourist boards or travel journalists. What can they do?

    @Roberto: You make a valid point that this article is not entirely wasted. There are some lessons to be learned here. I’ll summarize:

    1. Do your homework. Read the fine print. Don’t assume everything’s included, unless you have verified that everything is included. Check out your hotel’s website in advance. Resort fees are a well-known scourge on the hotel industry…key words being well-known. A simple check on Mirage’s website would have revealed their resort fee…and reading the fine print on the SW agreement would have shown that they don’t cover it. Learn what insurance you need, and don’t need, when you rent a car.

    2. Don’t bend over and give in to every hard-sell situation. Stand up for yourself. Learn to say no. It’s really not that hard.

    3. If you have a bad meal, go to the manager of the restaurant. If you encounter a rude employee, complain to the employee’s manager. Otherwise, let it go…there’s nothing you can do about it. Simple as that.

    4. Don’t send laundry lists of complaints. If you have a valid greivance, one that should result in a refund of some sort, then write a brief, clear letter outlining your specific complaint, and what you want in return. Don’t include a bunch of silly minor annoyances like a rude remark or a sub-par meal.

    5. (MOST IMPORTANT) Don’t send a laundry list of trivial complaints to Christopher Elliott – a travel troubleshooter who works hard to help customers with REAL issues. He might just publish it, opening you up to ridicule from all his fans.

  • y_p_w

    Yeah – I don’t get the park ranger expelling someone. I suppose they could have even fined the photographer for operating without a permit.

    Wedding photos are tricky. I actually understand the rules. Anything with the potential to substantially disrupt other visitors is generally cited as requiring a permit. I found that even some city park departments require still photography permits (which may not have been heeded to with my wedding photos).

    The National Park Service (as noted) does require filming permits. Some state parks may be different. Yosemite actually requires a $200 permit. They do consider tripods “hand carried equipment” that doesn’t require a permit if the photographer isn’t getting paid. Apparently they don’t typically issue permits on weekends either for obvious crowd reasons. And they require liability insurance.

    http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/filming.htm

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Carver Farrow: “I’m assuming that the OP is not an experienced traveler so bearing that in mind.” That is why an inexperienced traveler should deal with a professional travel agent from a traditional brick & mortar travel agency.

    @ Carver Farrow: “but the photographer’s lack of a license would not have been know to the TA.” First, I doubt that the photographer was a professional (or a rookie at best) because a professional photographer in the area will know the requirements. Second, a travel agent that have customers that goes to Las Vegas to get marry (or have a lot of customers that goes to Vegas) might be aware of the requirement to have a permit. M y travel agent is aware of this requirement.

    @ Carver Farrow: “And any TA would have recommended the Bellagio to the OP.” I have been to Vegas over 20 times and probably eaten over 60 buffets during these visits and I had two complaints about the buffets (1. the crab legs at Ceaser was salty and 2. the overall food quality at MGM at one visit which the mgr agreed with us and provided us with free ‘coupons’ for a future visit)…as you can see one being minor and one wasn’t but it was handled on the spot. I never had a problem with the buffet at Bellagio.

    @ Carver Farrow: “The park ranger was very wrong to expel the OP. That’s a legit complaint.” No…it is a state law that a permit is need to take pictures of a wedding, a wedding party and etc.

    @ LeeAnne: Chris should have a sign the like the Statue of Liberty stating “give me your misinformed traveler, your travelers that don’t research, give me your whiners,….”

  • y_p_w

    I think there’s a difference between forcing to stop a party from taking professionally photographed wedding photos and expelling someone from a park where they’ve properly paid an entrance fee. Most definitely I can understand that they can enforce their requirements for professional photographers to obtain a permit and even perhaps limit the disruption from extended posed photography. Apparently they won’t issue a commercial photography permit for weekends/holidays, so that might also be an issue. I think there are also a couple of sites where they won’t typically issue a commercial permit (their policies mention the sites Arch Rock and Elephant Rock).

    However – what I think most people are getting at would be that there doesn’t appear to be any justification for forcing anyone to leave a state park if they put away their camera equipment. I couldn’t even find anything that specifically indicates that taking non-professional wedding photos is considered an unlawful act. If they were being disruptive or hogging a certain site that others were trying to access/photograph, then I could see how they might interpret it as against policy.

    http://parks.nv.gov/photopolicy.pdf

  • Simon

    When EVERYTHING is wrong during a trip, I usually take the complaints with a grain of salt – HOWEVER – My latest trip to Las Vegas on business was just about as bad. The whole city seems to be in a very bad funk right now. Service is HORRIBLE – nobody seems to care. The “fees” are close ot strong armed robbery. It seems to me that the businesses in Vegas are trying to extort money from the people who do go there to make up for the lost revenue from the people who stay away. The whole city seems dirty and disconnected from its visitors. I am a regular visitor to the city and I will NOT be going back unless necessary for business.

  • Bill

    Sorry it didn’t work out. The photographer should have known, but a little research would have helped.

    “Vegas” is in the business of sucking as much money out of you as they can. They don’t care about anything else. Don’t go there unless you’re a smoker looking for that last smoke friendly place.

    As for Buffets, I haven’t been to the one at the Bellagio, but the one at Mandalay Bay sure wasn’t good value for money.

  • Carver Farrow

    @Arizona Road Warrior

    I have to respectfully disagree

    Even an inexperienced traveler should be able to book a domestic vacation to Vegas, a place that hosts millions of folks, who book themselves. My point about being inexperienced is that “stuff happens”. However, a more experienced travelers would know how to deal with it.

    The issue with the photographer isn’t the state permit requirement but this particular person’s lack of the proper paperwork. Even had the OP known about the permit requirement, the OP would certainly have assumed that the paid professional photographer would have been equally knowledgeable and had the proper documents. Unless the TA booked the photographer for the OP, the end result would have been the same

    I don’t understand what point you are making regarding the buffets. My point is that having a TA would not have helped this Buffet situation, which I believe was basically in the OPs mind more than anything else.

    Regarding the pictures, the article doesn’t say anything about wedding pictures. It states that the issue is commercial photography. But as others have posted, that’s hardly a reason to expel an innocent traveler from the park. Expel the photographer who should know better. But why does the party have to leave? That makes no sense to me.

    So basically, the knee jerk reaction of, you booked your own travel, you had a bad time, next time book using a TA is demonstrably false.

  • http://http/aol.com barbie45

    Carver, You are correct. There is no need for a TA in this situation. I wonder why people believe they are miracle workers. Frankly most trips can be booked without them.

  • Annette

    Actually yes, using a travel agent COULD have avoided many of these things. There are agents that specialize in weddings and work closely with coordinators and professionals in various cities – booking with a destination wedding agent would have meant having a photographer who knew the rules and was prepared. An agent would have disclosed the resort fees and gone over things like the car rental insurance, and if there was any doubt at the rental counter the client could have called his agent to verify that no he was not required to purchase the rental agency’s insurance.

    The park ranger had every right to evcit them from the park. Permits are required for professional photography, but permits are also required for weddings. So what’s the ranger supposed to surmise, okay they’ve been told they can’t take their photos here so they’re just going to wander around the park in their rented tuxedos and fancy gowns?

    As for the Bellagio buffet, it’s a high-end gourmet buffet with some very unusual items on it. And yes probably a hundred various dishes. If you’re just looking for the carved roast beef and the mac & cheese at a buffet then yeah McDonald’s is going to be preferable to the Bellagio. Pizza with elk carpaccio and goat cheese isn’t for everyone and if you don’t like that kind of thing then of course it’s going to taste awful to you. Is that the Bellagio’s fault?

    @Carver – this wasn’t just a domestic vacation, this was a wedding. When you’re dealing with something as stressful and problem-prone as a wedding absolutely use a professional. This is what we do – we’ve been through all these things, dealt with these problems, made all these contacts and more already so that you don’t have to do it.

  • Benjamin

    I’m sure, somewhere, on some level, this is Obama’s fault for dissing Las Vegas publicly :)

  • Ernest

    I would like to be a fly on the wall to hear what really happened between Mr Zekas and the park ranger. I suspect that Mr Zekas’s version would have a signifant differance from the rangers. Law enforcement complaings usually end with: “I’ll have your badge for that”. I must have missed that part while examining the snide remark portion.

    So, what have we learned here?

    1. Its always some one elses fault and if they don’t do what I think is appropriate, then I am going to tell Chris.

    2. Don’t plan the important event, if it does not work out the way I want, I will tell Chris.

    3. Don’t take any responsiblity for anything that goes wrong. Just show up and make and expect everything to work out by its self because if it doesn’t I will tell Chris.

    4. If by some chance of fate, everything actually works out and there are no problems, DON’T tell Chris It is because of your amazing expertise and ability to intimidate park rangers that you were able make things work. That course in verbal judo sure came in handy against that snide comment but you prevailed.

    Oh Yea

  • Carver Farrow

    @Annette

    The resort fees seems to be the smallest portion of the OP’s complaint. With regards to the car insurance, the OP knew that they didn’t need car insurance, they just caved into a pressure. Nothing a TA could really do about that.

    As far as destination travel agents, that seems substantially different from a regular travel agent. A cursory internet search suggests that a wedding travel agent is really part of a larger organization which includes professionals from many arenas such as a wedding planners. Now we’ve changed the dynamics and are paying a lot more than just a regular travel agent. And we don’t know the OP’s finances.

    Regarding the park. If you reread the post you’ll realize that the wedding had already concluded. So wedding permits are irrelevant. The park ranger should have evicted the photographer who should have known about the rules. Then the wedding party admonished to follow the rules of the park. What the wedding party chooses to do at the point is not the park ranger’s concern. Perhaps they will walk around in tuxedoes, maybe they’ll leave.

    Having been to the Bellagio buffet, I can state its not dominated by weird exotic foods. Like any good buffet it has a range of foods. There is nothing a TA is likely to do to help

    I agree that paying for a full blown wedding service might had helped the OP. However, the OP would still have had to pay the resort fees. I suspect that the cost of the wedding service would have been substantially more than the insurance that the OP paid or the $6 per person the OP lost at the park

  • Jesse

    Travel agents come with their own problems. They get kick backs for steering customers to one hotel/island than another (the St. Lucia couple used a travel agent …) and therefore tend to focus more on what would make them the most money rather than what fits the wants/needs of the people trying to plan a trip.

    Sorry folks – nothing beats doing your own research.

    See my previous post. A couple minutes of reading on Google & not-so-fine print on swavacations.com yielded the fact that Southwest Vacations does not pay resort fees, that the Mirage charges resort fees (and what they are), and that you need a license to take photographs and/or have a wedding in Nevada state parks.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ barbie45: “Carver, You are correct. There is no need for a TA in this situation. I wonder why people believe they are miracle workers. Frankly most trips can be booked without them.”

    I book all of my flights (100+ flights a year), hotels (100+ nights a year) and etc. by myself because they are simple (I have been traveling to the same cities for years, I stay at the same hotels and etc.) for the past 12 years. However, when I take a vacation (i.e. a month in Europe), a cruise, a land tour and etc., I use the services of a travel agent.

    Given that Mr. Zekas is an inexperienced traveler as well as this being a wedding, Mr. Zekas should have used the services of a travel agent as well as the services of other professionals.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Jesse: “Travel agents come with their own problems. They get kick backs for steering customers to one hotel/island than another (the St. Lucia couple used a travel agent …) and therefore tend to focus more on what would make them the most money rather than what fits the wants/needs of the people trying to plan a trip.”

    In regards to the St. Lucia couple, they used an ‘online’ travel agent…it was an AMEX travel agent that they dealt with over the telephone. They did not interview the travel agent that they used. It amazes me that people are willing to pluck down $ 5,000 or more without doing research. IMHO, most travelers do not know how to pick a travel agent. They don’t interview the travel agent, don’t ask for references and etc.

    Yes…there are bad travel agenets. I am sure that there are some travel agents that are focus on which package gives them the highest commissions thant the needs of their clients. These agents are not going to make it in the long-term. In any business, the key is repeat business.

    It is hard to find a good travel agent and it takes time (as well as trial & error) to find a good travel agent. There are some very good travel agents on this forum. I only wish that one or two of them was located in the PHX area.

  • y_p_w

    Here’s a company that is doing actual weddings and photography in Valley of Fire State Park, and claim to have a valid permit to do so. They photos they show certainly do look different and dramatic with all that red rock.

    http://www.lasvegaswedding4u.com/valley_of_fire_weddings.php

    They certainly claim that “wedding parties” without wedding permits will be escorted off the premises. It might have been some sort of policy that wasn’t understood or well explained.

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