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		<title>By: Carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/this-is-a-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-19176</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 06:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll weight in a little.  Like any service provider, a travel agent needs to justify why someone should pay them for services that can be done elsewhere cheaper (e.g. internet).

Many travel agents have seen their ranks decimated and their incomes plummet.  So today, the gospel is, if you don&#039;t book with a travel agent, then you are stupid and if anything bad happens on your trip, its because you were too stupid or cheap to book with us, because we could have protected you.

The reality is like any other service provider there are times when their fees are justified and times when the fees are not.  For example, I own my own business. As such I use an accountant for my taxes.  My friend is a regular employee in his firm. TurboTax works fine for him.

Unforunately, because of many stories questioning the future viability of the travel agent position, travel agents have responded with the silly, dubious, positions which approach the absurd.  My favorite was an article posted on Tripso.com, a travel agent hangout, the blatently stated that the advice of a travel agent is as important as medical advice.  Clearly the author has gone off the reservation for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll weight in a little.  Like any service provider, a travel agent needs to justify why someone should pay them for services that can be done elsewhere cheaper (e.g. internet).</p>
<p>Many travel agents have seen their ranks decimated and their incomes plummet.  So today, the gospel is, if you don&#8217;t book with a travel agent, then you are stupid and if anything bad happens on your trip, its because you were too stupid or cheap to book with us, because we could have protected you.</p>
<p>The reality is like any other service provider there are times when their fees are justified and times when the fees are not.  For example, I own my own business. As such I use an accountant for my taxes.  My friend is a regular employee in his firm. TurboTax works fine for him.</p>
<p>Unforunately, because of many stories questioning the future viability of the travel agent position, travel agents have responded with the silly, dubious, positions which approach the absurd.  My favorite was an article posted on Tripso.com, a travel agent hangout, the blatently stated that the advice of a travel agent is as important as medical advice.  Clearly the author has gone off the reservation for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bill - thank you! well said.  I really get annoyed at all of the smug travel agents who post all the time &quot;oh that wouldn&#039;t have happened if you booked through someone like me!&quot; when in reality, I too have never found any advantage when using a travel agent.  Recently my sister used a travel agent to book her destination wedding and found that the person she was paying to take care of everything so she wouldn&#039;t have to worry about it was causing her more stress than if her wedding party had just taken care of their own arrangements - this travel agent could not seem to grasp that just because I live in Pennsylvania, that doesn&#039;t mean that Philly International airport is better for me than Newark.  Despite me trying to explain it to her in small words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bill &#8211; thank you! well said.  I really get annoyed at all of the smug travel agents who post all the time &#8220;oh that wouldn&#8217;t have happened if you booked through someone like me!&#8221; when in reality, I too have never found any advantage when using a travel agent.  Recently my sister used a travel agent to book her destination wedding and found that the person she was paying to take care of everything so she wouldn&#8217;t have to worry about it was causing her more stress than if her wedding party had just taken care of their own arrangements &#8211; this travel agent could not seem to grasp that just because I live in Pennsylvania, that doesn&#8217;t mean that Philly International airport is better for me than Newark.  Despite me trying to explain it to her in small words.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/this-is-a-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-19110</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe and Lisa - I don&#039;t know where you find these &quot;local&quot; travel agents who know and do everything. 
I am not picking on you specifically, but each and every time there is a problem on a travel website, there is one, or two - or three voices popping up saying the same thing about using a professional travel agent - and the reality is that I&#039;ve never had one that would be held accountable for their mistakes and never had one that gave me a good reason I should have used them.

The last two &quot;local&quot; travel agencies I went to were staffed by (a) A person (manager) who couldn&#039;t be bothered to find me a non smoking hotel room in London, and (b) A woman who is a &quot;professional&quot; travel agent that had never heard of the &quot;London Pass&quot; and took a lot longer to figure out/find it than a non travel agent on the web.  I did write to the head office of the &quot;manager&#039;s&quot; travel agency because she was highly unprofessional.  A good case of someone who should have retired many years and wrinkles ago.

These are the recent occurances, but I can recount numerous episodes over the course of my life where going to a &quot;professional&quot; travel agent has either cost me time or money (usually money).  

Yet every time anything at all comes up, there are these voices that pop up talking about using a professional travel agent.

Maybe I should tell you about the one who couldn&#039;t understand simple telephone company announcements and didn&#039;t know how to leave voicemal - that one cost me a few hundred dollars, and a few hours.  Or the one who &quot;couldn&#039;t be expected to know about sales&quot; when  there were few airlines in the country and they took out full page ads....not to mention she had a computer reservation system.


I&#039;ll give a little bit of advice to those who want people to use professional travel agencies a little more:   Make sure there are a lot fewer people like me who have countless stories of travel agent incompetence.  I have not a single story of a travel agent saving the day - not a one!

This is one industry where there is a great need to cull the bad ones from the herd.

I&#039;m sure there are competent professional travel agents out there somewhere.  The only problem is, they are just about as rare as a considerate smoker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe and Lisa &#8211; I don&#8217;t know where you find these &#8220;local&#8221; travel agents who know and do everything.<br />
I am not picking on you specifically, but each and every time there is a problem on a travel website, there is one, or two &#8211; or three voices popping up saying the same thing about using a professional travel agent &#8211; and the reality is that I&#8217;ve never had one that would be held accountable for their mistakes and never had one that gave me a good reason I should have used them.</p>
<p>The last two &#8220;local&#8221; travel agencies I went to were staffed by (a) A person (manager) who couldn&#8217;t be bothered to find me a non smoking hotel room in London, and (b) A woman who is a &#8220;professional&#8221; travel agent that had never heard of the &#8220;London Pass&#8221; and took a lot longer to figure out/find it than a non travel agent on the web.  I did write to the head office of the &#8220;manager&#8217;s&#8221; travel agency because she was highly unprofessional.  A good case of someone who should have retired many years and wrinkles ago.</p>
<p>These are the recent occurances, but I can recount numerous episodes over the course of my life where going to a &#8220;professional&#8221; travel agent has either cost me time or money (usually money).  </p>
<p>Yet every time anything at all comes up, there are these voices that pop up talking about using a professional travel agent.</p>
<p>Maybe I should tell you about the one who couldn&#8217;t understand simple telephone company announcements and didn&#8217;t know how to leave voicemal &#8211; that one cost me a few hundred dollars, and a few hours.  Or the one who &#8220;couldn&#8217;t be expected to know about sales&#8221; when  there were few airlines in the country and they took out full page ads&#8230;.not to mention she had a computer reservation system.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give a little bit of advice to those who want people to use professional travel agencies a little more:   Make sure there are a lot fewer people like me who have countless stories of travel agent incompetence.  I have not a single story of a travel agent saving the day &#8211; not a one!</p>
<p>This is one industry where there is a great need to cull the bad ones from the herd.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are competent professional travel agents out there somewhere.  The only problem is, they are just about as rare as a considerate smoker.</p>
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		<title>By: noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George the Rational says, &quot;Somewhere out there are vaccine manufacturers about to go under, who have to scare up a fake problem just to survive.&quot;  Not a very rational position, given that there is no vaccine for swine flu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George the Rational says, &#8220;Somewhere out there are vaccine manufacturers about to go under, who have to scare up a fake problem just to survive.&#8221;  Not a very rational position, given that there is no vaccine for swine flu.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked up 2008 deaths due to the common flu. it was way more than the deaths by this thing. Maybe it is a little overblown but scary. I read that heat kills the virus and only need to worry for the winter months. They&#039;ll have a vaccine by then. I read that patient 0&#039;s mom was blaming the US for the outbreak in Mexico. That is silly and I&#039;m glad her kid did not die from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked up 2008 deaths due to the common flu. it was way more than the deaths by this thing. Maybe it is a little overblown but scary. I read that heat kills the virus and only need to worry for the winter months. They&#8217;ll have a vaccine by then. I read that patient 0&#8217;s mom was blaming the US for the outbreak in Mexico. That is silly and I&#8217;m glad her kid did not die from it.</p>
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		<title>By: an</title>
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		<dc:creator>an</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ lisa, and all. we booked through a travel agent to go close to ixtapa next week, the problem is that NO travel policy covers pandemics and epidemics, just like wars and other big stuff you will always find small print stating that. meaning you are handed over to the goodwill of you agent and air carier. we got to rebook without change fees and with a price guarantee  on the land part, the tickets to our new destination costed much more, a cost we had to take. if things gets worse, we might be in for the whole amount.... 
Problem is indeed that you can still go if you want to. as to travel warning, we were not bothered with the regional warnings towards violence and even not too scared of being killed by the flu but we are scared of bumping onto close borders when coming back ( and utter misery being screened to death by gov...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ lisa, and all. we booked through a travel agent to go close to ixtapa next week, the problem is that NO travel policy covers pandemics and epidemics, just like wars and other big stuff you will always find small print stating that. meaning you are handed over to the goodwill of you agent and air carier. we got to rebook without change fees and with a price guarantee  on the land part, the tickets to our new destination costed much more, a cost we had to take. if things gets worse, we might be in for the whole amount&#8230;.<br />
Problem is indeed that you can still go if you want to. as to travel warning, we were not bothered with the regional warnings towards violence and even not too scared of being killed by the flu but we are scared of bumping onto close borders when coming back ( and utter misery being screened to death by gov&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why don’t people work with their LOCAL travel consultants&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe because they need to find them first?

In our travel agency (which sadly I can&#039;t reveal as I&#039;m not really authorized to talk on behalf of them) itself, we&#039;re able to refund hotel, car and certain reservation-type (e.g. tours) cancellations. But that&#039;s because the vendors we work with agree &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; to bill us for cancelling before travel.

The tough part is the airfare because it depends on each carrier&#039;s policies. Good thing most agreed to waive their ticket-reissue fees for changing dates and/or routes, though some still charge a fare difference.

It&#039;s nice if the travel agency can absorb any and all costs for cancelling the trip, on the (risky?) premise that customers will rebook with them if/when this thing&#039;s settled down. But...that&#039;s for each one to decide on their own depending how costly it is doing so, and they&#039;ll deal with the results anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why don’t people work with their LOCAL travel consultants</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe because they need to find them first?</p>
<p>In our travel agency (which sadly I can&#8217;t reveal as I&#8217;m not really authorized to talk on behalf of them) itself, we&#8217;re able to refund hotel, car and certain reservation-type (e.g. tours) cancellations. But that&#8217;s because the vendors we work with agree <b>not</b> to bill us for cancelling before travel.</p>
<p>The tough part is the airfare because it depends on each carrier&#8217;s policies. Good thing most agreed to waive their ticket-reissue fees for changing dates and/or routes, though some still charge a fare difference.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice if the travel agency can absorb any and all costs for cancelling the trip, on the (risky?) premise that customers will rebook with them if/when this thing&#8217;s settled down. But&#8230;that&#8217;s for each one to decide on their own depending how costly it is doing so, and they&#8217;ll deal with the results anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Canceling A Vacation Due To Swine Flu? Expect The Runaround [Swine Flu] - 494th Edition &#183; debitprepaidmastercard.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canceling A Vacation Due To Swine Flu? Expect The Runaround [Swine Flu] - 494th Edition &#183; debitprepaidmastercard.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is horrible.  this video i saw explains alot of whats going on and how some people such as myself view the situation 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyyrVXTBko</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is horrible.  this video i saw explains alot of whats going on and how some people such as myself view the situation<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyyrVXTBko" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyyrVXTBko</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Casciola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Casciola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t people work with their LOCAL travel consultants ... they would have personal attention and someone working on their behalf in this type situation. In addition they would be supporting their local economy instead of a behemoth internet site that could care less about anything other than the number$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t people work with their LOCAL travel consultants &#8230; they would have personal attention and someone working on their behalf in this type situation. In addition they would be supporting their local economy instead of a behemoth internet site that could care less about anything other than the number$.</p>
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