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	<title>Comments on: There&#8217;s a lower rate on my hotel bill &#8212; so where&#8217;s my refund?</title>
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		<title>By: larry bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/theres-a-lower-hotel-rate-on-my-bill-so-wheres-my-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-18719</link>
		<dc:creator>larry bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just returned from a trip to the northwest coast of Costa Rica. Got a really nice hotel with only 20 rooms, a great pool area, bar, and restaurant for $94 per night. The hotels own web site showed a minimum rate of $170 for my dates of stay.  Upon checking in, the preprinted room reservation showed $65.12. Since this has previously happened to me on several occasions, I knew immediately what Expedia had paid for the room. Did not bother me a bit. I still got a great deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just returned from a trip to the northwest coast of Costa Rica. Got a really nice hotel with only 20 rooms, a great pool area, bar, and restaurant for $94 per night. The hotels own web site showed a minimum rate of $170 for my dates of stay.  Upon checking in, the preprinted room reservation showed $65.12. Since this has previously happened to me on several occasions, I knew immediately what Expedia had paid for the room. Did not bother me a bit. I still got a great deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/theres-a-lower-hotel-rate-on-my-bill-so-wheres-my-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-12030</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce - this explanation actually does explain why they would be exempt from sales taxes.  Because they are in essence reselling the rooms to the end user, then they are exempt from the sales tax that they would normally incur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce &#8211; this explanation actually does explain why they would be exempt from sales taxes.  Because they are in essence reselling the rooms to the end user, then they are exempt from the sales tax that they would normally incur.</p>
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		<title>By: bruceincharlotte</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/theres-a-lower-hotel-rate-on-my-bill-so-wheres-my-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-9633</link>
		<dc:creator>bruceincharlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that this exactly blows away their reason for immunity to state sales taxes! Or am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that this exactly blows away their reason for immunity to state sales taxes! Or am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/theres-a-lower-hotel-rate-on-my-bill-so-wheres-my-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-9515</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hotel employees everywhere thank you for this simple and clear explanation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hotel employees everywhere thank you for this simple and clear explanation!</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orbitz, Expedia and other agencies of this nature are what is referred to in the business as &quot;Wholesalers.&quot;

It&#039;s like BJ&#039;s or Sam&#039;s club. You buy in bulk to get a lower price per item. In the case of travel services, the savings are still passed onto the consumer though they do not get the &quot;wholesale rate&quot; negotiated between the Wholesaler and the Property. 

Tour Operators are another form of Wholesaler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orbitz, Expedia and other agencies of this nature are what is referred to in the business as &#8220;Wholesalers.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like BJ&#8217;s or Sam&#8217;s club. You buy in bulk to get a lower price per item. In the case of travel services, the savings are still passed onto the consumer though they do not get the &#8220;wholesale rate&#8221; negotiated between the Wholesaler and the Property. </p>
<p>Tour Operators are another form of Wholesaler.</p>
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		<title>By: Annette from Tropicaltravel.net</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/theres-a-lower-hotel-rate-on-my-bill-so-wheres-my-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-9476</link>
		<dc:creator>Annette from Tropicaltravel.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great information and post.  Thanks for helping explain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great information and post.  Thanks for helping explain!</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case hotels, I would think that Orbitz is more of a reseller than an agent... to me the process seems to be like Orbitz buys rooms in bulk, and then onwards, is Orbitz merchandise to sell/gift/splurge as they want. They are free to give discounts or add overheads as they wish... The original seller (the hotel) has lost all rights to control the price thats charged for the room, once they sold it off to Orbitz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case hotels, I would think that Orbitz is more of a reseller than an agent&#8230; to me the process seems to be like Orbitz buys rooms in bulk, and then onwards, is Orbitz merchandise to sell/gift/splurge as they want. They are free to give discounts or add overheads as they wish&#8230; The original seller (the hotel) has lost all rights to control the price thats charged for the room, once they sold it off to Orbitz.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/theres-a-lower-hotel-rate-on-my-bill-so-wheres-my-refund/comment-page-1/#comment-9458</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish they were equally straightforward when the opposite happens. This blog prooves they don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish they were equally straightforward when the opposite happens. This blog prooves they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No has looked at this from this perspective  - who is Orbitz the agent for?

Do they represent their customer, the person who pays the bill, or, do they represent the person who sells the travel?

If, as I suspect, they advertise as if they are an online travel agent, then, in traditional master-servant law, the servant must disgorge all profits earned that are not disclosed and agreed upon by the master.   It is expected that the seller of travel is paying a commission to the agent making the transaction available - however - if you pay a fee to that travel agent - and it is a substantial fee [not $5] and the commission is not disclosed - that is a whole nuther ball game.   Depending on the booking fee you paid - it is an open question as to whether the agent needs to disclose the profit to the master, i.e., the customer.  Traditionally a 10% fee was credited by travel agents on the amount of the net fare.   Those amounts have essentially gone to zero in most arenas except the cruise business.  

If Ms. Chatterjee paid a $5 booking fee - then I seriously doubt she has much of a case - if she paid $20 or $30, then its a &#039;nuther issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No has looked at this from this perspective  &#8211; who is Orbitz the agent for?</p>
<p>Do they represent their customer, the person who pays the bill, or, do they represent the person who sells the travel?</p>
<p>If, as I suspect, they advertise as if they are an online travel agent, then, in traditional master-servant law, the servant must disgorge all profits earned that are not disclosed and agreed upon by the master.   It is expected that the seller of travel is paying a commission to the agent making the transaction available &#8211; however &#8211; if you pay a fee to that travel agent &#8211; and it is a substantial fee [not $5] and the commission is not disclosed &#8211; that is a whole nuther ball game.   Depending on the booking fee you paid &#8211; it is an open question as to whether the agent needs to disclose the profit to the master, i.e., the customer.  Traditionally a 10% fee was credited by travel agents on the amount of the net fare.   Those amounts have essentially gone to zero in most arenas except the cruise business.  </p>
<p>If Ms. Chatterjee paid a $5 booking fee &#8211; then I seriously doubt she has much of a case &#8211; if she paid $20 or $30, then its a &#8216;nuther issue.</p>
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		<title>By: dr_nigel_c</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr_nigel_c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting about this subject -- I too have had my fair share of questions (and sometimes complaints) from guests on this very subject, and you covered it nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting about this subject &#8212; I too have had my fair share of questions (and sometimes complaints) from guests on this very subject, and you covered it nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t win them all.

This is just business as usual. The fact that the customer was shown the bulk price doesn&#039;t  mean, he/she is entitled to them. Customer had previously agreed to a higher price, so if anyone graciously wants to refund it, well, but the agreement had been done with a higher price already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t win them all.</p>
<p>This is just business as usual. The fact that the customer was shown the bulk price doesn&#8217;t  mean, he/she is entitled to them. Customer had previously agreed to a higher price, so if anyone graciously wants to refund it, well, but the agreement had been done with a higher price already.</p>
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