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	<title>Comments on: The truth about those controversial $10 holiday airfare charges</title>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from the obfuscation factor of giving fares by component, keeping charges outside of the nominal fare may very well have tax advantages for the airline, leading to lower taxes due from the airline to the government.  Yes, it&#039;s just another tax break!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from the obfuscation factor of giving fares by component, keeping charges outside of the nominal fare may very well have tax advantages for the airline, leading to lower taxes due from the airline to the government.  Yes, it&#8217;s just another tax break!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas H White</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-truth-about-those-controversial-10-holiday-airfare-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-24799</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas H White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@noah / @carver

The problem is that it becomes almost impossible to reasonably compare ticket prices if I have to go all the way to the point of purchase before I find out what the final cost of a ticket will be.  Especially, since this really isn&#039;t final cost because additional costs will be added at the terminal (checked bag, blanket, food, etc) depending upon your airline.  It takes large amounts of time to do true comparisons.   Especially if you are using all of the various websites to get the best fares.  I&#039;ve noticed that there is almost always a difference between fares on the various major online sites and the individual airline website itself.   Therefore, I&#039;ve often had 6 -10 windows open comparing options on these sites to see what gets the best price.  Now, I need to have a spreadsheet to also include the various fees I&#039;ll be charged on the various airlines.

@carver - no undue pressure.
I wouldn&#039;t agree with that.  I&#039;ve noticed that I can be quoted different prices on individual sites within minutes of previous quotes.  Therefore, when I find what may be a good price I have to act quickly in making the determination whether it is really the best price I can get.  With all of these additional variables now that becomes quite difficult.

@everyone
Just as the FCC is discussing the implications of its &quot;truth in billing&quot; requirements for wireless phone service and whether prices should be transparent earlier in the process of acquiring phone service there needs to be some government agency doing the same thing for travel (cruise, airline, car rental, hotel) pricing.  If there are no agencies empowered to do this, then a law should be passed empowering an agency to do it.  Personally, I feel that the DOT should be able to do this for airfairs, but then again I&#039;m not a lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@noah / @carver</p>
<p>The problem is that it becomes almost impossible to reasonably compare ticket prices if I have to go all the way to the point of purchase before I find out what the final cost of a ticket will be.  Especially, since this really isn&#8217;t final cost because additional costs will be added at the terminal (checked bag, blanket, food, etc) depending upon your airline.  It takes large amounts of time to do true comparisons.   Especially if you are using all of the various websites to get the best fares.  I&#8217;ve noticed that there is almost always a difference between fares on the various major online sites and the individual airline website itself.   Therefore, I&#8217;ve often had 6 -10 windows open comparing options on these sites to see what gets the best price.  Now, I need to have a spreadsheet to also include the various fees I&#8217;ll be charged on the various airlines.</p>
<p>@carver &#8211; no undue pressure.<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t agree with that.  I&#8217;ve noticed that I can be quoted different prices on individual sites within minutes of previous quotes.  Therefore, when I find what may be a good price I have to act quickly in making the determination whether it is really the best price I can get.  With all of these additional variables now that becomes quite difficult.</p>
<p>@everyone<br />
Just as the FCC is discussing the implications of its &#8220;truth in billing&#8221; requirements for wireless phone service and whether prices should be transparent earlier in the process of acquiring phone service there needs to be some government agency doing the same thing for travel (cruise, airline, car rental, hotel) pricing.  If there are no agencies empowered to do this, then a law should be passed empowering an agency to do it.  Personally, I feel that the DOT should be able to do this for airfairs, but then again I&#8217;m not a lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathie</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-truth-about-those-controversial-10-holiday-airfare-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-24797</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm....better watch my tickets for the jetway charge when I fly into/out of those airports that make me walk out to my little prop plane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;.better watch my tickets for the jetway charge when I fly into/out of those airports that make me walk out to my little prop plane.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer (the other one)</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-truth-about-those-controversial-10-holiday-airfare-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-24792</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer (the other one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Lianne.  Increasing the fare for the high-demand season is perfectly reasonable, but the marketing guru who decided to publicize it as a fee ought to be fired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Lianne.  Increasing the fare for the high-demand season is perfectly reasonable, but the marketing guru who decided to publicize it as a fee ought to be fired.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-truth-about-those-controversial-10-holiday-airfare-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-24774</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, you forgot a few.

Bouyancy Enhancement Fee = A seat cushion that floats.

Gastric Distress Alleviation Fee = $2.00 for the airsick bag, thank you.

Respiratory Fuel Surcharge = Fee to cover the cost of the jet fuel fumes you&#039;re inhaling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, you forgot a few.</p>
<p>Bouyancy Enhancement Fee = A seat cushion that floats.</p>
<p>Gastric Distress Alleviation Fee = $2.00 for the airsick bag, thank you.</p>
<p>Respiratory Fuel Surcharge = Fee to cover the cost of the jet fuel fumes you&#8217;re inhaling.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver Farrow</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-truth-about-those-controversial-10-holiday-airfare-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-24766</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver Farrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Noah

I&#039;m with you.  As long as you know what the total, out the door, price is before you make any payments or any other committments, I don&#039;t see the problem, particularly in an online environment where there is no issue of undue pressure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Noah</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you.  As long as you know what the total, out the door, price is before you make any payments or any other committments, I don&#8217;t see the problem, particularly in an online environment where there is no issue of undue pressure.</p>
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		<title>By: Lianne</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-truth-about-those-controversial-10-holiday-airfare-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-24763</link>
		<dc:creator>Lianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just highlights the airline&#039;s stupidity. If they just increased the base fair by $10 during the holiday season no one would bat an eye. IT&#039;S THE FREAKIN HOLIDAYS!! People EXPECT to pay more!! The only reason to label this a &quot;surcharge&quot; is some bizarre marketing ploy/misdirection that defies any sort of logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just highlights the airline&#8217;s stupidity. If they just increased the base fair by $10 during the holiday season no one would bat an eye. IT&#8217;S THE FREAKIN HOLIDAYS!! People EXPECT to pay more!! The only reason to label this a &#8220;surcharge&#8221; is some bizarre marketing ploy/misdirection that defies any sort of logic.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m losing interest in this topic.  If you&#039;re buying the ticket online, it seems to me that if they tell you the total price before you pay for your ticket, there is no problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m losing interest in this topic.  If you&#8217;re buying the ticket online, it seems to me that if they tell you the total price before you pay for your ticket, there is no problem.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkieA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkieA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry. I meant DOT, not TSA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry. I meant DOT, not TSA.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkieA</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-truth-about-those-controversial-10-holiday-airfare-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-24750</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkieA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris

Just because you interview a TSA rep and get his answers, doesn&#039;t mean that you have to publish them :) Sheesh! What a bunch of non-answers and milquetoast advice. &quot;Consumers should shop around and determine which carrier has a fare that best suits their individual needs.&quot; Wow! Really? Thanks for that absolutely brilliant insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris</p>
<p>Just because you interview a TSA rep and get his answers, doesn&#8217;t mean that you have to publish them :) Sheesh! What a bunch of non-answers and milquetoast advice. &#8220;Consumers should shop around and determine which carrier has a fare that best suits their individual needs.&#8221; Wow! Really? Thanks for that absolutely brilliant insight.</p>
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		<title>By: hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The airfare for those days is usually considerably more than flying non peak days anyway so I don&#039;t understand why the airlines would add the fee. It just generates bad press. I just booked at ski trip from the east coast to the west coast and by traveling on the non peak days saved considerably on the airfare. If they are adding the fee just because they can, why not just jack the price up a bit more. An increase in price due to supply and demand makes sense; a fee is extremely short sighted.But perhaps there is a reason the airlines can&#039;t just jack the price up on those peak days (though it seems that they do already).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The airfare for those days is usually considerably more than flying non peak days anyway so I don&#8217;t understand why the airlines would add the fee. It just generates bad press. I just booked at ski trip from the east coast to the west coast and by traveling on the non peak days saved considerably on the airfare. If they are adding the fee just because they can, why not just jack the price up a bit more. An increase in price due to supply and demand makes sense; a fee is extremely short sighted.But perhaps there is a reason the airlines can&#8217;t just jack the price up on those peak days (though it seems that they do already).</p>
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		<title>By: Kal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this idea not smart? Depends on who your asking.  Since people are willing to pay fees to fly, airlines will charge them. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/travel/2009-09-24-airlines-fees-revenue_N.htm
Today consumers can shop around and review prices to find the best deal. As long as the final total price is shown before any card is charged consumers can make their own choice to pay or use someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this idea not smart? Depends on who your asking.  Since people are willing to pay fees to fly, airlines will charge them. <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/travel/2009-09-24-airlines-fees-revenue_N.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/travel/2009-09-24-airlines-fees-revenue_N.htm</a><br />
Today consumers can shop around and review prices to find the best deal. As long as the final total price is shown before any card is charged consumers can make their own choice to pay or use someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-truth-about-those-controversial-10-holiday-airfare-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-24741</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;experienced pilot&#039; surcharge is coming.  They&#039;ll call it a &#039;regulatory training reimbursement fee.&#039;

Aircraft Maintenance?  &#039;C/D Check Overburden Charge&#039;

Fuel already has a surcharge.

&quot;Airport Facility Energy Surcharge&quot; =keeping the lights on in the terminal

&quot;Covered Walkway Maintenance&quot; = jetway fee - you&#039;ll love this when you have to walk outside to the airplane.

&quot;Regulatory Fee&quot; = your share of the fines charged by DOT for maintenance and other rule violations

&quot;Crew Hospitality Fee&quot; = crew overnights  away from home

&quot;Holiday reservation fee&quot;  - we&#039;ve got that one out of the way.

&quot;Union Surcharge Fee&quot;  does your flight arrive after 5pm?  time and half for those union members

&quot;Consumables Surcharge&quot; - cost of tires, aircraft cleaning, water and soap in restroom and in terminal.

&quot;Landing Slot Fee&quot; - only at LGA and DCA; what the airline paid for the right to be able to land your flight at National or LaGuardia.

&quot;mileage posting fee.&quot;  you earned those miles - now you want them posted to your account, right?

The scary thing is, some of these  are probably on the drawing board right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;experienced pilot&#8217; surcharge is coming.  They&#8217;ll call it a &#8216;regulatory training reimbursement fee.&#8217;</p>
<p>Aircraft Maintenance?  &#8216;C/D Check Overburden Charge&#8217;</p>
<p>Fuel already has a surcharge.</p>
<p>&#8220;Airport Facility Energy Surcharge&#8221; =keeping the lights on in the terminal</p>
<p>&#8220;Covered Walkway Maintenance&#8221; = jetway fee &#8211; you&#8217;ll love this when you have to walk outside to the airplane.</p>
<p>&#8220;Regulatory Fee&#8221; = your share of the fines charged by DOT for maintenance and other rule violations</p>
<p>&#8220;Crew Hospitality Fee&#8221; = crew overnights  away from home</p>
<p>&#8220;Holiday reservation fee&#8221;  &#8211; we&#8217;ve got that one out of the way.</p>
<p>&#8220;Union Surcharge Fee&#8221;  does your flight arrive after 5pm?  time and half for those union members</p>
<p>&#8220;Consumables Surcharge&#8221; &#8211; cost of tires, aircraft cleaning, water and soap in restroom and in terminal.</p>
<p>&#8220;Landing Slot Fee&#8221; &#8211; only at LGA and DCA; what the airline paid for the right to be able to land your flight at National or LaGuardia.</p>
<p>&#8220;mileage posting fee.&#8221;  you earned those miles &#8211; now you want them posted to your account, right?</p>
<p>The scary thing is, some of these  are probably on the drawing board right now.</p>
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		<title>By: SirWired</title>
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		<dc:creator>SirWired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I&#039;ve been reading about the holiday surcharge is that it would be quoted as part of the &quot;base&quot; fare, and therefore is transparent to everybody but travel agents, who can see the full makeup of a quoted fare.  I supposed it would be non-commissionable, if anybody still paid commissions.

P.S. I&#039;ve never seen DCA decked out for the holidays before; it&#039;s a nice picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I&#8217;ve been reading about the holiday surcharge is that it would be quoted as part of the &#8220;base&#8221; fare, and therefore is transparent to everybody but travel agents, who can see the full makeup of a quoted fare.  I supposed it would be non-commissionable, if anybody still paid commissions.</p>
<p>P.S. I&#8217;ve never seen DCA decked out for the holidays before; it&#8217;s a nice picture.</p>
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