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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;The representative asked me if I had been drunk when I booked the flight&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Leitmoet</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-representative-asked-me-if-i-had-been-drunk-when-i-booked-the-flight/comment-page-2/#comment-72346</link>
		<dc:creator>Leitmoet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same thing happened to me.

When booking trough the icelandair website, they gave me 2 hours and ten minutes to get from my arriving flight at La Guardia to my departing flight at JFK.  Completely impossible, if you figure in collecting my bags, getting transportation to the other airport, checking in at JFK, and security.

The first &quot;Customer service&quot; representative said the same thing about policy and that I should have paid attention to the itinerary.  I would have had to read their tiny font and be aware of New York La Guardia and New York JFK. 

At least when I called back, to speak to a different ticket agent, they were able to resolve the issue in my favor with no extra cost.

Bad customer service. Misleading website.

Icelandair does not have a clear enough warning on the site.  Bad web design.

They will definitley lose repeat customers who will go to other easier to use sites.

This must happen to them more often than it appears.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same thing happened to me.</p>
<p>When booking trough the icelandair website, they gave me 2 hours and ten minutes to get from my arriving flight at La Guardia to my departing flight at JFK.  Completely impossible, if you figure in collecting my bags, getting transportation to the other airport, checking in at JFK, and security.</p>
<p>The first &#8220;Customer service&#8221; representative said the same thing about policy and that I should have paid attention to the itinerary.  I would have had to read their tiny font and be aware of New York La Guardia and New York JFK. </p>
<p>At least when I called back, to speak to a different ticket agent, they were able to resolve the issue in my favor with no extra cost.</p>
<p>Bad customer service. Misleading website.</p>
<p>Icelandair does not have a clear enough warning on the site.  Bad web design.</p>
<p>They will definitley lose repeat customers who will go to other easier to use sites.</p>
<p>This must happen to them more often than it appears.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-representative-asked-me-if-i-had-been-drunk-when-i-booked-the-flight/comment-page-2/#comment-22752</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will someone please remember that Icelandair does not set minimum connecting times.  The FAA is the one who sets this.  And yes, EWR-JFK can be made in an hour.  There are shuttle buses that run that route every 30 minutes or so.  Plus people, once he checks in at the MSP airport, he is checked in for his international departure also.  

The fact, is the customer bares the blame for not taking the time to read carefully.  Plus, as I read it, he has traveled before, so isn&#039;t it safe to say he knows EWR is Newark, New Jersey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will someone please remember that Icelandair does not set minimum connecting times.  The FAA is the one who sets this.  And yes, EWR-JFK can be made in an hour.  There are shuttle buses that run that route every 30 minutes or so.  Plus people, once he checks in at the MSP airport, he is checked in for his international departure also.  </p>
<p>The fact, is the customer bares the blame for not taking the time to read carefully.  Plus, as I read it, he has traveled before, so isn&#8217;t it safe to say he knows EWR is Newark, New Jersey?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you need to double check before buying, but Icelandair has to ensure they are not selling a &quot;faulty&quot; product.  They sold a defective product..flights that don&#039;t connect, and therefore they should refund.

On another note, I have tried to make bookings on IcelandAir&#039;s website several times, and it is be far the most poorly implemented airline site I&#039;ve ever been on.  If they are going to talk about people being drunk, I would suggest the drinking went on when that booking engine was created.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you need to double check before buying, but Icelandair has to ensure they are not selling a &#8220;faulty&#8221; product.  They sold a defective product..flights that don&#8217;t connect, and therefore they should refund.</p>
<p>On another note, I have tried to make bookings on IcelandAir&#8217;s website several times, and it is be far the most poorly implemented airline site I&#8217;ve ever been on.  If they are going to talk about people being drunk, I would suggest the drinking went on when that booking engine was created.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a fairly experienced traveler--I flew over 75,000 miles last year and maintain elite status on an airline--and I participate on the frequent flyer mecca of flyertalk.com, so things like codeshares, terminal changes, fare classes, airport codes, legal connections, co-terminals and the like are very familiar concepts. I&#039;ve been surfing the Internet since 1993 and have been dissecting travel deals almost as long. (I&#039;d wager I know--or have the tools to find out--as much as any standard-issue travel agent.)

And Chris Elliott knows I&#039;ve been one of his most exasperated readers: as someone fairly intricately familiar with airline practices and as someone who works in the travel industry, I constantly chide him for unnecessarily protecting his subjects&#039; stupidity and expecting the travel provider (be it airline, hotel, rental car, or whatever) to bend to every silly demand. (I&#039;m now a firm believer that the customer is NOT always right.)

But in this case, Chris was right. The customer was right.

Did you hear me, Chris? YOU WERE RIGHT. And you didn&#039;t do enough to help Mr. Hjartarson.

I agree wholeheartedly with Carver here that there is be an element of trust between a consumer and a reputable company. And I doubt Icelandair would consider themselves anything but a reputable company. His grocery store analogy is perfect.

My initial thought when beginning to read Chris Elliott&#039;s article was that the customer was trying to save money by using the multi-city booking function. But that wasn&#039;t the case. To expect the customer to have to even check up on the product the vendor is selling when using a simple round-trip booking engine is ludicrous. It&#039;d be like expecting the grocery-store shopper to look for an expiration date on what appears to be a non-perishable canned item, and then refusing to honor the return when it the shopper discovers that the item has indeed perished and has an expiration date. Why would you expect to even look for an expiration date on a can of beans? Why would you expect to look at the legality or feasibility of the connection if the booking engine suggests it to you? 

As someone who virtually breathes travel and travel-related discussion, and as someone who has worked in the travel industry and suffered the brunt of the pure idiocy and retardation of the general public (with which I am continually and greatly frustrated), I can STILL say that this is NOT a situation that any thinking person can expect a normal person to even question, much less do research or think they need to involve the services of a &quot;travel professional.&quot; Everyone who suggested that most people would assume it&#039;s a simple terminal change--or that the airline shouldn&#039;t automatically present a connection that cannot possibly be honored--is ABSOLUTELY correct.

Now, perhaps the fine folks at FI have read this column and the comments, or perhaps Chris Elliott did some further follow-up with FI that he hasn&#039;t told us about (though that&#039;s not usually the case), but it appears they have now instituted a small note:

&quot;Change of airport required. Newark Liberty International - John F Kennedy. Time between flights = 3:21.&quot;

Such information should, of course, be highlighted in red font, but at least this appears to be a step in the right direction. For those who say that Mr. Hjartarson should have known what he was buying, let me specify that even this note, which I assume was not present when most of the earlier commenters were posting (not to mention, of course, when Mr. Hjartarson made his booking), is not prominent at all. How can you tell people they should be informed consumers when the merchant--in whom you place good faith (unlike, say, a street vendor on Sukhumvit in Bangkok)--does not even give you the tools with which to even let you realize you&#039;re not informed.

Chris, please ensure Mr. Hjartarson receives a full refund for an obvious mistake on the part of FI&#039;s IT department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a fairly experienced traveler&#8211;I flew over 75,000 miles last year and maintain elite status on an airline&#8211;and I participate on the frequent flyer mecca of flyertalk.com, so things like codeshares, terminal changes, fare classes, airport codes, legal connections, co-terminals and the like are very familiar concepts. I&#8217;ve been surfing the Internet since 1993 and have been dissecting travel deals almost as long. (I&#8217;d wager I know&#8211;or have the tools to find out&#8211;as much as any standard-issue travel agent.)</p>
<p>And Chris Elliott knows I&#8217;ve been one of his most exasperated readers: as someone fairly intricately familiar with airline practices and as someone who works in the travel industry, I constantly chide him for unnecessarily protecting his subjects&#8217; stupidity and expecting the travel provider (be it airline, hotel, rental car, or whatever) to bend to every silly demand. (I&#8217;m now a firm believer that the customer is NOT always right.)</p>
<p>But in this case, Chris was right. The customer was right.</p>
<p>Did you hear me, Chris? YOU WERE RIGHT. And you didn&#8217;t do enough to help Mr. Hjartarson.</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly with Carver here that there is be an element of trust between a consumer and a reputable company. And I doubt Icelandair would consider themselves anything but a reputable company. His grocery store analogy is perfect.</p>
<p>My initial thought when beginning to read Chris Elliott&#8217;s article was that the customer was trying to save money by using the multi-city booking function. But that wasn&#8217;t the case. To expect the customer to have to even check up on the product the vendor is selling when using a simple round-trip booking engine is ludicrous. It&#8217;d be like expecting the grocery-store shopper to look for an expiration date on what appears to be a non-perishable canned item, and then refusing to honor the return when it the shopper discovers that the item has indeed perished and has an expiration date. Why would you expect to even look for an expiration date on a can of beans? Why would you expect to look at the legality or feasibility of the connection if the booking engine suggests it to you? </p>
<p>As someone who virtually breathes travel and travel-related discussion, and as someone who has worked in the travel industry and suffered the brunt of the pure idiocy and retardation of the general public (with which I am continually and greatly frustrated), I can STILL say that this is NOT a situation that any thinking person can expect a normal person to even question, much less do research or think they need to involve the services of a &#8220;travel professional.&#8221; Everyone who suggested that most people would assume it&#8217;s a simple terminal change&#8211;or that the airline shouldn&#8217;t automatically present a connection that cannot possibly be honored&#8211;is ABSOLUTELY correct.</p>
<p>Now, perhaps the fine folks at FI have read this column and the comments, or perhaps Chris Elliott did some further follow-up with FI that he hasn&#8217;t told us about (though that&#8217;s not usually the case), but it appears they have now instituted a small note:</p>
<p>&#8220;Change of airport required. Newark Liberty International &#8211; John F Kennedy. Time between flights = 3:21.&#8221;</p>
<p>Such information should, of course, be highlighted in red font, but at least this appears to be a step in the right direction. For those who say that Mr. Hjartarson should have known what he was buying, let me specify that even this note, which I assume was not present when most of the earlier commenters were posting (not to mention, of course, when Mr. Hjartarson made his booking), is not prominent at all. How can you tell people they should be informed consumers when the merchant&#8211;in whom you place good faith (unlike, say, a street vendor on Sukhumvit in Bangkok)&#8211;does not even give you the tools with which to even let you realize you&#8217;re not informed.</p>
<p>Chris, please ensure Mr. Hjartarson receives a full refund for an obvious mistake on the part of FI&#8217;s IT department.</p>
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		<title>By: Traveler</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-representative-asked-me-if-i-had-been-drunk-when-i-booked-the-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-19232</link>
		<dc:creator>Traveler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I empathize with Mr. Hjartarson, but when you embark on making your own bookings without a travel agent, its on the passenger to do as much research as possible before hitting the BUY button. With so many tools and information online, this situation could have been avoided by researching the distance between 2 airports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I empathize with Mr. Hjartarson, but when you embark on making your own bookings without a travel agent, its on the passenger to do as much research as possible before hitting the BUY button. With so many tools and information online, this situation could have been avoided by researching the distance between 2 airports.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 17:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with the customer, 100%.  

An airline had no business selling a product that didn&#039;t &#039;fit.&#039;  

If a travel agent had set you up with the same itinerary, would you feel they were to blame?  They book your flights, not telling you how far apart two foreign airports or rail stations are, and that you can&#039;t possibly make the connection, then you pay for the tickets, and they just say &#039;sorry&#039; and leave it at that?  

It&#039;s no different.  Shame on Icelnd Air.

The one thing I&#039;ve found since moving to Europe (from the US) is that there really is FAR worse customer service on this side of the pond.  My ex-pat friends and I rant about this stuff on a daily basis, then hit the pub to drown the memories!  (Remember when Madonna moved back to the US, how she said she would NOT miss Londn customer service?  Very telling.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with the customer, 100%.  </p>
<p>An airline had no business selling a product that didn&#8217;t &#8216;fit.&#8217;  </p>
<p>If a travel agent had set you up with the same itinerary, would you feel they were to blame?  They book your flights, not telling you how far apart two foreign airports or rail stations are, and that you can&#8217;t possibly make the connection, then you pay for the tickets, and they just say &#8216;sorry&#8217; and leave it at that?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s no different.  Shame on Icelnd Air.</p>
<p>The one thing I&#8217;ve found since moving to Europe (from the US) is that there really is FAR worse customer service on this side of the pond.  My ex-pat friends and I rant about this stuff on a daily basis, then hit the pub to drown the memories!  (Remember when Madonna moved back to the US, how she said she would NOT miss Londn customer service?  Very telling.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-representative-asked-me-if-i-had-been-drunk-when-i-booked-the-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-19100</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 2 years ago I booked a flight with US Airways to travel from St. Louis to Athens Greece, with a connection in Philly, PA, same connection on the return.  When I booked the flight through Orbitz my return connection had a 3 1/2 hour layover (a decent time for international connection) however about 2 monthes before the trip I was reviewing my reservations and noticed that my connection time had gone down to 50 mins.  I made some phone calls and found out that US Airways had cancelled the orginal filght from Philly to STL that I had booked and just put me on this flight, which violated their own policy for connection times for international flights.  The first lady I spoke to at US Airways said they could offer me another flight that connected through Chicago back to STL, that had a better connection time.  I was traveling with 2 other people so I called them to confirm that would be ok with all.  When I called back, I was told by someone I need to talk to their international desk, and they would not help me at all, I gave them the flights and flight numbers that the lady gave me and they said the flight to chicago was a United flight and they could not put me on it, even though on their webpage it had a US Airways flight # so it was some sort of code sharing flight they were doing with United.  I was told by their manager that my options were to cancel my flight, or fly out of Philly the next day.  Mulitple phone calls to Oribitz and US Airways later, I got no where and finally conceded to fly the next day, when I asked about hotel for the night they refused to pay for that too.  I asked the guy at US Airways &quot;What are you offering me for the inconvience your company is putting me through&quot; his response &quot;We will offer nothing sir&quot;.  To this day I will pay more money to fly with another airline.  Oh and when I called their customer service line they have listed on their web page.  I got a recorded message saying &quot;All agents are busy now, please call back another time&quot; CLICK.  I wrote a letter to the company and 6 months later I got a voucher for $200 for their airline, which is a basically saying shut up and go away we don&#039;t care.  

I am a seasoned traveler and book most of my travel on my own through the web, and I disagree with everyone here who says this guy was at fault.  Yes he should have done more research to understand what he was booking.  However the airline should not even offer this, and the excuse that their program isn&#039;t able to make that decision is bull, they can put parameters in there that stops it from show connections with time that no one can make.  Or at the very least have it flagged with a big disclaimer before booking saying something about the connection time for these airports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 2 years ago I booked a flight with US Airways to travel from St. Louis to Athens Greece, with a connection in Philly, PA, same connection on the return.  When I booked the flight through Orbitz my return connection had a 3 1/2 hour layover (a decent time for international connection) however about 2 monthes before the trip I was reviewing my reservations and noticed that my connection time had gone down to 50 mins.  I made some phone calls and found out that US Airways had cancelled the orginal filght from Philly to STL that I had booked and just put me on this flight, which violated their own policy for connection times for international flights.  The first lady I spoke to at US Airways said they could offer me another flight that connected through Chicago back to STL, that had a better connection time.  I was traveling with 2 other people so I called them to confirm that would be ok with all.  When I called back, I was told by someone I need to talk to their international desk, and they would not help me at all, I gave them the flights and flight numbers that the lady gave me and they said the flight to chicago was a United flight and they could not put me on it, even though on their webpage it had a US Airways flight # so it was some sort of code sharing flight they were doing with United.  I was told by their manager that my options were to cancel my flight, or fly out of Philly the next day.  Mulitple phone calls to Oribitz and US Airways later, I got no where and finally conceded to fly the next day, when I asked about hotel for the night they refused to pay for that too.  I asked the guy at US Airways &#8220;What are you offering me for the inconvience your company is putting me through&#8221; his response &#8220;We will offer nothing sir&#8221;.  To this day I will pay more money to fly with another airline.  Oh and when I called their customer service line they have listed on their web page.  I got a recorded message saying &#8220;All agents are busy now, please call back another time&#8221; CLICK.  I wrote a letter to the company and 6 months later I got a voucher for $200 for their airline, which is a basically saying shut up and go away we don&#8217;t care.  </p>
<p>I am a seasoned traveler and book most of my travel on my own through the web, and I disagree with everyone here who says this guy was at fault.  Yes he should have done more research to understand what he was booking.  However the airline should not even offer this, and the excuse that their program isn&#8217;t able to make that decision is bull, they can put parameters in there that stops it from show connections with time that no one can make.  Or at the very least have it flagged with a big disclaimer before booking saying something about the connection time for these airports.</p>
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		<title>By: ajayndjr</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-representative-asked-me-if-i-had-been-drunk-when-i-booked-the-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-19030</link>
		<dc:creator>ajayndjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s suppose that the traveler accepted the tickets and itinerary and went ahead and travelled. If he missed the connecting flight, would it be treated as an ordinary missed connection and not as a no-show for the connecting flight?

In which case the booking airline would be obligated to get the traveler to his final destination with due dispatch and without collecting any more money for fees or fare differences, typically rebooking passage on the next flight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s suppose that the traveler accepted the tickets and itinerary and went ahead and travelled. If he missed the connecting flight, would it be treated as an ordinary missed connection and not as a no-show for the connecting flight?</p>
<p>In which case the booking airline would be obligated to get the traveler to his final destination with due dispatch and without collecting any more money for fees or fare differences, typically rebooking passage on the next flight?</p>
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		<title>By: kenneth d hopkins</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-representative-asked-me-if-i-had-been-drunk-when-i-booked-the-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-18986</link>
		<dc:creator>kenneth d hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May be off point...but on recent UAL first class flight from OKC to SFO with a stop and plane change in Denver during the flight I was asked if I would like a sandwich for lunch? One option only the sandwich. The passenger sitting next to me was asked on the QT if they wanted a cobb salad or the sandwich?
I only found out about the passengers two choices after he was served the salad. When I asked why I was not given the same choice all I got back was lame excuse of &quot;OH I am sorry I thought that you looked like you would only choose the sandwich and not the salad. My anger got the best of me and I said nothing for fear of compounding an already bad situation. I did not think it was fair for them to give me one choice and the person next to me two choices.
My wife a 1k person, said the the UAL staff does discriminate based on status.
I am only Premier. thus I don&#039;t rate two choices....I think that sucks...second class in first class is the new UAL status.
Kenneth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May be off point&#8230;but on recent UAL first class flight from OKC to SFO with a stop and plane change in Denver during the flight I was asked if I would like a sandwich for lunch? One option only the sandwich. The passenger sitting next to me was asked on the QT if they wanted a cobb salad or the sandwich?<br />
I only found out about the passengers two choices after he was served the salad. When I asked why I was not given the same choice all I got back was lame excuse of &#8220;OH I am sorry I thought that you looked like you would only choose the sandwich and not the salad. My anger got the best of me and I said nothing for fear of compounding an already bad situation. I did not think it was fair for them to give me one choice and the person next to me two choices.<br />
My wife a 1k person, said the the UAL staff does discriminate based on status.<br />
I am only Premier. thus I don&#8217;t rate two choices&#8230;.I think that sucks&#8230;second class in first class is the new UAL status.<br />
Kenneth</p>
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		<title>By: Ann, CTC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann, CTC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what caught my eye in this?  Icelandair&#039;s response of &quot;...the fare on the direct flight from MSP was only available in a higher fare category, the difference of $384 per person...&quot;

Not only was Mr Hjartarson not paying attention to the routing, he was price shopping.  The Newark to JFK connection was cheaper by $384 per person, so of course he took that one.  And only after he examined what he bought did he realize.  Then he wants Icelandair to fix it at no cost?

I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what caught my eye in this?  Icelandair&#8217;s response of &#8220;&#8230;the fare on the direct flight from MSP was only available in a higher fare category, the difference of $384 per person&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Not only was Mr Hjartarson not paying attention to the routing, he was price shopping.  The Newark to JFK connection was cheaper by $384 per person, so of course he took that one.  And only after he examined what he bought did he realize.  Then he wants Icelandair to fix it at no cost?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-representative-asked-me-if-i-had-been-drunk-when-i-booked-the-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-18974</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The routing offered by the carrier is a bit strange.  I do not understand why it would have paired a NW MSP-EWR leg with its own JFK-KEF flight when NW operates 5 daily flights to MSP-JFK.  One arrives 3½ hours before the only JFK-KEF departure.  Schedules may not have been the same at the time of this unfortunate incident, but were likely similar.  This argues for using at least one other reference source before booking online.  I like OAG but there are scores of sources for schedule information.  The key is to see who goes where, and when, before booking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The routing offered by the carrier is a bit strange.  I do not understand why it would have paired a NW MSP-EWR leg with its own JFK-KEF flight when NW operates 5 daily flights to MSP-JFK.  One arrives 3½ hours before the only JFK-KEF departure.  Schedules may not have been the same at the time of this unfortunate incident, but were likely similar.  This argues for using at least one other reference source before booking online.  I like OAG but there are scores of sources for schedule information.  The key is to see who goes where, and when, before booking.</p>
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		<title>By: carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-representative-asked-me-if-i-had-been-drunk-when-i-booked-the-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-18945</link>
		<dc:creator>carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this?  Don&#039;t present impossible itinerariies. Don&#039;t sell fake good and services that are unusable by everyone except perhaps Superman.  Understand that your customers are a mix of sophisticated and unsophisticated air travelers some of whom actually trust the airlines to deliver what they promised.

Perhaps a more sophisticated traveler might have known.  However, in the modern age, we allow customers to make certain assumptions such as

When I buy a car, the car comes with all the parts needed to make it work
When I rent a hotel room in the US it will have a bed
When I buy a computer, the power cord is included.

And when I buy a plane ticket, the itinerary is possible. Perhaps difficult, even unpleasant, but always possible. Let Caveat Emptor remain dead.

@Mark

The difference in your Ocho Rios trip was that they sold you a crappy ticket, but one that was still possible, if unpleasant and inefficient.  While I agree with you, its not the same as the OP&#039;s situation where they sold him an impossible ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this?  Don&#8217;t present impossible itinerariies. Don&#8217;t sell fake good and services that are unusable by everyone except perhaps Superman.  Understand that your customers are a mix of sophisticated and unsophisticated air travelers some of whom actually trust the airlines to deliver what they promised.</p>
<p>Perhaps a more sophisticated traveler might have known.  However, in the modern age, we allow customers to make certain assumptions such as</p>
<p>When I buy a car, the car comes with all the parts needed to make it work<br />
When I rent a hotel room in the US it will have a bed<br />
When I buy a computer, the power cord is included.</p>
<p>And when I buy a plane ticket, the itinerary is possible. Perhaps difficult, even unpleasant, but always possible. Let Caveat Emptor remain dead.</p>
<p>@Mark</p>
<p>The difference in your Ocho Rios trip was that they sold you a crappy ticket, but one that was still possible, if unpleasant and inefficient.  While I agree with you, its not the same as the OP&#8217;s situation where they sold him an impossible ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-representative-asked-me-if-i-had-been-drunk-when-i-booked-the-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-18900</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to side with the airline on this one but i think they should have done more once he realized the problem. I recently booked a flight to London and was offered a few options one of which was a 45 minute layover in Atlanta. I would love to have taken it but i was afraid it would not be enough time so i went with the 3 hour layover. I did have an issue once that i feel was the airlines fault. I had a voucher for a cancelled flight so i wanted to use it for a trip to Ocho Ros . I called and told the rep were i wanted to go and she booked me into Kingston which at the time looked fine to me. Then i found out it would cost over 200.00 to get from Kingston to Ocho Rois but if i flew in to Montego Bay it would only be 25.00. I called back to have the flight changed and found that too was 200.00 i could have bought new tickets for less than that. I felt as i used thier rep to book and advise me it shoudl have been fixed at no cost ot me. I just decided not to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to side with the airline on this one but i think they should have done more once he realized the problem. I recently booked a flight to London and was offered a few options one of which was a 45 minute layover in Atlanta. I would love to have taken it but i was afraid it would not be enough time so i went with the 3 hour layover. I did have an issue once that i feel was the airlines fault. I had a voucher for a cancelled flight so i wanted to use it for a trip to Ocho Ros . I called and told the rep were i wanted to go and she booked me into Kingston which at the time looked fine to me. Then i found out it would cost over 200.00 to get from Kingston to Ocho Rois but if i flew in to Montego Bay it would only be 25.00. I called back to have the flight changed and found that too was 200.00 i could have bought new tickets for less than that. I felt as i used thier rep to book and advise me it shoudl have been fixed at no cost ot me. I just decided not to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-representative-asked-me-if-i-had-been-drunk-when-i-booked-the-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-18893</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this?  Be an informed consumer.  Be aware that all itineraries presented by travel websites and reservation systems may not be feasible.  Understand in advance airport locations and logistics, airport/airline required check-in times, and airline policies with regard to changes and cancellations.  Do the homework/research BEFORE hitting the purchase button, not after.

The only thing the purchaser might be owed is the $160 change fee for two tickets, as he did still wish to travel MSP-KEF and he agreed to being rebooked on the direct flight for the difference in fare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this?  Be an informed consumer.  Be aware that all itineraries presented by travel websites and reservation systems may not be feasible.  Understand in advance airport locations and logistics, airport/airline required check-in times, and airline policies with regard to changes and cancellations.  Do the homework/research BEFORE hitting the purchase button, not after.</p>
<p>The only thing the purchaser might be owed is the $160 change fee for two tickets, as he did still wish to travel MSP-KEF and he agreed to being rebooked on the direct flight for the difference in fare.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/the-representative-asked-me-if-i-had-been-drunk-when-i-booked-the-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-18881</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bill

Well said.

Icelandair considers 3 hours to be legal.  Given that you&#039;re supposed to be at the airport 3 hours before flight time for an international flight, Icelandair&#039;s statement that 3 hours is legal is demonstrably false.  The OP would need to teleport from LGA to JFK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bill</p>
<p>Well said.</p>
<p>Icelandair considers 3 hours to be legal.  Given that you&#8217;re supposed to be at the airport 3 hours before flight time for an international flight, Icelandair&#8217;s statement that 3 hours is legal is demonstrably false.  The OP would need to teleport from LGA to JFK</p>
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