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	<title>Comments on: That&#8217;s no miracle! Carnival switches itinerary, offers $25 credit for the trouble</title>
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		<title>By: 335</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the shortened itinerary, my money is on the fact that the ship was way below passenger capacity and executives back at HQ mandated the change (and the lies).  Unfortunately, under the current prevailing economic conditions, we&#039;ll be seeing more and more of this behavior, with companies making short sighted decisions based on making numbers THIS quarter so that executives can save part of their bonus, even though it will eventually put the company in the tank.  

So, lets vote with our feet by not patronizing companies that behave like this and help them go away now, politely getting the word out (like this forum) about actual experiences while we gleefully patronize and promote the ones that care about our satisfaction as customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the shortened itinerary, my money is on the fact that the ship was way below passenger capacity and executives back at HQ mandated the change (and the lies).  Unfortunately, under the current prevailing economic conditions, we&#8217;ll be seeing more and more of this behavior, with companies making short sighted decisions based on making numbers THIS quarter so that executives can save part of their bonus, even though it will eventually put the company in the tank.  </p>
<p>So, lets vote with our feet by not patronizing companies that behave like this and help them go away now, politely getting the word out (like this forum) about actual experiences while we gleefully patronize and promote the ones that care about our satisfaction as customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Wrona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wrona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On January 22nd, 2009 at 1:14 pm Peter Zimmerman said Unfortunately, in the King’s case, the exclusion which reads “VOID WHERE PROHIBITED AND NOT APPLICABLE ON ALASKA, EUROPE, HAWAII, PANAMA CANAL, SOUTH AMERICA ITINERARIES AND CRUISES-TO-NOWHERE.” would have prevented them from exercising their rights under the Carnival Vacation Guarantee


Actually the cruise was not a Panama Canal cruise, as the ship was never scheduled to enter the Canal.  It was scheduled to dock in Colon for excursions to the Panama Canal but that was it, so the Vacation Guarantee should have applied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On January 22nd, 2009 at 1:14 pm Peter Zimmerman said Unfortunately, in the King’s case, the exclusion which reads “VOID WHERE PROHIBITED AND NOT APPLICABLE ON ALASKA, EUROPE, HAWAII, PANAMA CANAL, SOUTH AMERICA ITINERARIES AND CRUISES-TO-NOWHERE.” would have prevented them from exercising their rights under the Carnival Vacation Guarantee</p>
<p>Actually the cruise was not a Panama Canal cruise, as the ship was never scheduled to enter the Canal.  It was scheduled to dock in Colon for excursions to the Panama Canal but that was it, so the Vacation Guarantee should have applied.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the propulsion system worked fine, then Carnival lied! They have the right to alter the contract, as they state, but nowhere in said contract does it say that they reserve the right to lie. I don&#039;t agree with the cruise line&#039;s contract stipulations, that allow them to make such drastic changes, but they should be held accountable for being dishonest! That said, the affected passengers deserve more than a small onboard credit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the propulsion system worked fine, then Carnival lied! They have the right to alter the contract, as they state, but nowhere in said contract does it say that they reserve the right to lie. I don&#8217;t agree with the cruise line&#8217;s contract stipulations, that allow them to make such drastic changes, but they should be held accountable for being dishonest! That said, the affected passengers deserve more than a small onboard credit!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done the Panama, Costa Rica, and Belize cruise.  Other than the SCUBA diving in Belize, they didn&#039;t miss much.  The nice parts of those countries aren&#039;t accessible in the time frame of a cruise ship port call.  Costa Maya, Cozumel and Roatan really was a better itinerary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done the Panama, Costa Rica, and Belize cruise.  Other than the SCUBA diving in Belize, they didn&#8217;t miss much.  The nice parts of those countries aren&#8217;t accessible in the time frame of a cruise ship port call.  Costa Maya, Cozumel and Roatan really was a better itinerary!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Womack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Womack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a couple of reactions here: 

1. This is despicable for Carnival to do to them, contract sneakiness in 5-point font on page 37 or not.  If there had been a weather event like a hurricane fine, but obviously lying about engine mechanics, and false advertising should be actionable.  If not in small claims court than by the FTC and the correct respective State Attorney General&#039;s offices, both in Florida and the state these folks live in where the purchased.  

2. The Anonymous posting Jan 26 at 3:22 - look don&#039;t be a smart-a$$ insulting and blaming the victim.  It is real easy for you to lie and say you always read every page of fine print on everything you sign.  No, you don&#039;t, you&#039;re lying, you know it and your&#039;e not any better or more perfect than these poor folks.   Folks, really why do you want to beat up on other consumers that are rear ended by corporations?  How does that help them, you or anyone else?  Nobody cares how smarter you think you are.  Knock it off. 

3. If carnival did this to me, I would wage a Consumer Jihad on the internet, press, etc. against them, on travel review sites, yelp.com, etc. galore.  Even if you don&#039;t win in court, you can cost them millions with the right kind of internet campaign.  I hope these folks do that!  Carnival deserves it!

Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a couple of reactions here: </p>
<p>1. This is despicable for Carnival to do to them, contract sneakiness in 5-point font on page 37 or not.  If there had been a weather event like a hurricane fine, but obviously lying about engine mechanics, and false advertising should be actionable.  If not in small claims court than by the FTC and the correct respective State Attorney General&#8217;s offices, both in Florida and the state these folks live in where the purchased.  </p>
<p>2. The Anonymous posting Jan 26 at 3:22 &#8211; look don&#8217;t be a smart-a$$ insulting and blaming the victim.  It is real easy for you to lie and say you always read every page of fine print on everything you sign.  No, you don&#8217;t, you&#8217;re lying, you know it and your&#8217;e not any better or more perfect than these poor folks.   Folks, really why do you want to beat up on other consumers that are rear ended by corporations?  How does that help them, you or anyone else?  Nobody cares how smarter you think you are.  Knock it off. </p>
<p>3. If carnival did this to me, I would wage a Consumer Jihad on the internet, press, etc. against them, on travel review sites, yelp.com, etc. galore.  Even if you don&#8217;t win in court, you can cost them millions with the right kind of internet campaign.  I hope these folks do that!  Carnival deserves it!</p>
<p>Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, you overpaid for your cruise ticket, and you should have read the contract. This is not that uncommon of an event to happen to cruise itineraries. If you would have read some cruise review websites and done more research you would have known. Regardless of the change you still got a cruise, quit being so whiny when most people can&#039;t afford the luxury of a cruise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, you overpaid for your cruise ticket, and you should have read the contract. This is not that uncommon of an event to happen to cruise itineraries. If you would have read some cruise review websites and done more research you would have known. Regardless of the change you still got a cruise, quit being so whiny when most people can&#8217;t afford the luxury of a cruise.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chances are, small claims court is not an option.  Chances are, the contract under which the tickets were purchased requires binding arbitration in a forum chosen by the cruise line, in say Delaware, Barbados, or Liberia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chances are, small claims court is not an option.  Chances are, the contract under which the tickets were purchased requires binding arbitration in a forum chosen by the cruise line, in say Delaware, Barbados, or Liberia.</p>
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		<title>By: why god hates me » Contractually speaking, a cruise doesn&#8217;t &#8230; [Carnival]</title>
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		<dc:creator>why god hates me » Contractually speaking, a cruise doesn&#8217;t &#8230; [Carnival]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was a $25 &#8220;we&#8217;re so sorry but not really&#8221; on-board credit for their troubles. [elliott] (Photo: jemsweb)          No tags for this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three words: Small claims court.</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 03:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, 25 whole dollars.    Meeester, I could feed my famly for several years on 25 genuine american dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, 25 whole dollars.    Meeester, I could feed my famly for several years on 25 genuine american dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver Farrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver Farrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lianne

This all all guesswork on my part.  The reason for my supposition is that Cruise don&#039;t get business travelers in the way that airlines do..  For example, the lowest recognized tier of frequent flier fliers 25,000 miles annually and usually does that every year, with the highest tier fliers breaking 100,000 miles annually. 

For hotels, top level perks begin at 50 nights annually, a number I am guessing only an infinitesimal number of cruiser achieve, whereas in the hotel work that merely the top 2-3 percent.

As such, air and hotel heavily market their frequent quests programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lianne</p>
<p>This all all guesswork on my part.  The reason for my supposition is that Cruise don&#8217;t get business travelers in the way that airlines do..  For example, the lowest recognized tier of frequent flier fliers 25,000 miles annually and usually does that every year, with the highest tier fliers breaking 100,000 miles annually. </p>
<p>For hotels, top level perks begin at 50 nights annually, a number I am guessing only an infinitesimal number of cruiser achieve, whereas in the hotel work that merely the top 2-3 percent.</p>
<p>As such, air and hotel heavily market their frequent quests programs.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I love about this is that it is effective advertising. My wife desperately wants a cruise for our aniversary. A proper response to these victims would have been positive, but Carnival has certainly has proven themselves unworthy of my business. Keep up the circus, Carnival! Who would really be tempted by Carnies running a cruise operation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I love about this is that it is effective advertising. My wife desperately wants a cruise for our aniversary. A proper response to these victims would have been positive, but Carnival has certainly has proven themselves unworthy of my business. Keep up the circus, Carnival! Who would really be tempted by Carnies running a cruise operation?</p>
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		<title>By: Rama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking about a cruise, but thanks to this article, I will not be wasting my money. What an outrage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking about a cruise, but thanks to this article, I will not be wasting my money. What an outrage.</p>
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		<title>By: Skip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I hear stuff like this, it really burns me up as a consumer...  Isn&#039;t this a snapshot of what is wrong with business &amp; customer service today?
 
Normally, in a case like this I would give a business the benefit of the doubt, but from everything I&#039;ve heard and read lately, this is becoming Standard Operating Procedures for Cruiselines, and I wouldn&#039;t put it past them.

The bottom line is I will not need to take them to court, I just will not be cruising anymore.  Enough people will get sick and tired of this stuff, and then they will wonder what is wrong with their business model?  Take care of your customers, give them what they pay for, and quit nickel and diming folks out of their money - and you might not need to ask the government for a bailout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I hear stuff like this, it really burns me up as a consumer&#8230;  Isn&#8217;t this a snapshot of what is wrong with business &amp; customer service today?</p>
<p>Normally, in a case like this I would give a business the benefit of the doubt, but from everything I&#8217;ve heard and read lately, this is becoming Standard Operating Procedures for Cruiselines, and I wouldn&#8217;t put it past them.</p>
<p>The bottom line is I will not need to take them to court, I just will not be cruising anymore.  Enough people will get sick and tired of this stuff, and then they will wonder what is wrong with their business model?  Take care of your customers, give them what they pay for, and quit nickel and diming folks out of their money &#8211; and you might not need to ask the government for a bailout.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Zimmerman, that was VERY funny. LMAO.

However, the quoted line from their contract was NOT technically correct. &quot;Carnival will make an effort to provide accommodations and services of a comparable quality and standard as set forth in the brochure.&quot; First, engine trouble known beforehand was not something out of anyone&#039;s control, and if they indeed did sail back faster then what the employees told the guests was an outright lie. Second, The ship sailed far less than it actually would have which is not a service of comparable quality. To make matters worse, even their cruis was cut short on the return leg by 8 hours, suggesting that there really wasn&#039;t anything wrong with the ship in the first place. 

I&#039;m with the others in saying that they should take their case to small claims court. the cost to the cruise line to send a representative will easily cost more than what they would be seeking in compensation/refund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Zimmerman, that was VERY funny. LMAO.</p>
<p>However, the quoted line from their contract was NOT technically correct. &#8220;Carnival will make an effort to provide accommodations and services of a comparable quality and standard as set forth in the brochure.&#8221; First, engine trouble known beforehand was not something out of anyone&#8217;s control, and if they indeed did sail back faster then what the employees told the guests was an outright lie. Second, The ship sailed far less than it actually would have which is not a service of comparable quality. To make matters worse, even their cruis was cut short on the return leg by 8 hours, suggesting that there really wasn&#8217;t anything wrong with the ship in the first place. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m with the others in saying that they should take their case to small claims court. the cost to the cruise line to send a representative will easily cost more than what they would be seeking in compensation/refund.</p>
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