Oh, did I hurt your feelings?

January 25, 2012

Although I consider “reader mail” posts a journalistic cop-out — a favorite tool of lazy columnists who can’t think of anything else to write — I’m willing to make an exception today.

During the last few weeks, we’ve had a spirited debate about annoying air travelers. It started with the remarkable story of a passenger who was forced to stand on a cross-country flight. Then I asked you to vote on the person you don’t want to sit next to on a flight. And finally, we had a little run-off election between the top two categories: XL passengers and babies.

Along the way, it seems, I offended some of you.

This isn’t the first time I’ve been accused of ruffling a few feathers. But it’s usually a clueless airline or greedy hotel that’s ticked off, and isn’t making them squirm my job as a consumer advocate?

I don’t really want to offend my readers. But sometimes I can’t help myself.

“Your singling out of large people is prejudicial and condescending,” says Donald Mounce. “As a large frequent flier myself, there are many more annoying personality traits than sitting next to a large traveler. Your column was very hurtful to a great many people, and simply not balanced or fair. I think you owe your readers an apology.”

Alright, Donald. Let’s take those one by one. I didn’t single out oversize travelers; the readers of this column did (see the poll). I agree that there are many other annoying things a seatmate can do (again, see the poll) but I will have to defer to the majority on the question of the most annoying thing.

I never claimed to be balanced or fair. This feature is intended to provoke a discussion about travel, and give people a place to voice their opinions, not build bridges of friendship.

And by the way, I am an XL passenger. My 6-foot-2 frame barely squeezes into an economy class seat, and I often can’t help sprawling across the armrests because I’m a big guy. I’m not offended at all when someone complains about me invading their personal space. You shouldn’t be, either.

“Why are you not on the case of the airlines who make everything so small that everyone cannot fly comfortably?” asked Arleen Horna, a self-described tall, long-legged passenger who “can’t fit well” into an economy class seat.

That’s a valid question. Truth is, I’ve been harping on the airline industry for decades to do something about this problem. Airlines want to stuff as many passengers on a plane as possible and they don’t seem to care how much their economy class passengers suffer. I have been something of a crusader on this issue, and let’s just say I’ve paid a price for it.

Horna was “so offended” by my “narrow-minded, prejudiced, and bigoted” story that she unsubscribed from my newsletter and promised to never read my site again.

“You are ridiculous,” she adds. “Telling the airlines to ban people that don’t fit in your picture of perfect is disgusting. I hope someday, when you are old and in a wheelchair and need to fly somewhere – you are discriminated against as much as you are discriminating against larger people. And now to add children to the list? Although a screaming baby is annoying, lighten up and LET EVERYONE HAVE A RIGHT TO FLY – YES EVEN THE LARGE AND THE CHILDREN! Obviously you are not a parent either or you wouldn’t discriminate against children either.”

No, Arleen, I’m not ridiculous; the name of this column is “That’s ridiculous!” And as I’ve already said, I’m a big guy and I have three young kids. Nice try.

Incidentally, Horna demanded that I not use any of her comments on my blog or newsletter. But since she’s never going to read anything I write again, I won’t have to worry about her seeing this, will I?

But big passengers weren’t the only ones who were angry about this debate. One very vocal group of readers who hated the columns were breastfeeding moms.

Here’s one thing you need to know about the inclusion of breastfeeding moms as a category on the poll. It was suggested by a woman and seconded by my editors. We all thought that passengers might feel uncomfortable — even annoyed — by having to sit next to a mother and child engaged in such activities.

“Seriously?” wrote Ginger Oppenheimer. “A breastfeeding mom drives people crazy?”

Full disclosure: Oppenheimer is Emily Gillette’s aunt. I referred to Gillette’s case in one of the stories; she was removed from a Delta flight because she was breastfeeding, and later sued the airline.

“I suppose there are some people who may get squeamish by the mere thought of glimpsing a little bit of breast,” she added. “Is it fear that a little breast skin might just be too titillating — pardon the terrible pun? Seems we Americans are easily offended by the human body when it’s used for what is a completely normal act in most parts of the world.”

Just a few observations: First, I am writing mostly to an American audience, and like it or not, we are a bunch of prudes. And second, while I agree that breastfeeding is a “normal act” so is going to the bathroom and having sex, and we tend to not do those things in public.

All three of my children were nursed, not bottle-fed, and we went to great lengths to feed them privately, in consideration of the feelings of the people around us. The folks who were offended that I would suggest passengers are bothered by a breastfeeding mom obviously feel that their right to feed their child anywhere should trump our collective sense of decorum.

And maybe they’re right.

Even so, why shouldn’t we debate it? That’s really the most troubling takeaway for me: that some of the good people reading this column think we should stop this topic from being discussed.

Come on.

(Photo: NFSA Australia/Flickr)

  • Anonymous

    Must feel good to blow off a little steam.

    My wife was also rather private about breastfeeding.  She felt uncomfortably that people might be looking at her.  However, there are some things about breastfeeding that you might to know.

    Most states now have breastfeeding laws that make it clear that breastfeeding in public is not considered indecent exposure and that a woman is allowed to breastfeed in public in any place where she would otherwise be allowed.  A store clerk telling a woman to go to a more private area can literally expose the employer to a lawsuit.  Many states even have specific laws that explicitly state that exposing a nipple while breastfeeding is specifically allowed (i.e. a woman breastfeeding can’t be asked to cover up), including Florida:

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0383/Sections/0383.015.html

    “Title XXIX PUBLIC HEALTH
    Chapter 383 MATERNAL AND INFANT HEALTH CARE

    383.015 Breastfeeding.—The breastfeeding of a baby is an important and basic act of nurture which must be encouraged in the interests of maternal and child health and family values, and in furtherance of this goal:
       (1) A mother may breastfeed her baby in any location, public or private, where the mother is otherwise authorized to be, irrespective of whether the nipple of the mother’s breast is uncovered during or incidental to the breastfeeding.
       (2) A facility lawfully providing maternity services or newborn infant care may use the designation “baby-friendly” if it establishes a breastfeeding policy in accordance with s. 383.016.”

    I guess the genie isn’t going back into the (baby) bottle.  It’s getting to the point where it doesn’t matter if people get offended or feel it’s indecorous when they notice a little bit of nipple while a woman breastfeeds in public, since laws specifically protects a woman’s right to do that anywhere.  I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some federal law or regulation similar to these state laws to serve as a bridge to govern the right to breastfeed while airborne.  There’s already a federal regulation that specifically allows a woman to breastfeed anywhere on US government property.

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2011-title41-vol3/pdf/CFR-2011-title41-vol3-sec102-74-426.pdf

    “§102–74.426 May a woman breastfeed her child in a Federal building or on Federal property?

    Yes. Public Law 108–199, Section 629, Division F, Title VI (January 23, 2004), provides that a woman may breastfeed her child at any location in a Federal building or on Federal property, if the woman and her child are otherwise au- thorized to be present at the location.”

    There are a lot of things that people have hangups over.  In Saudi Arabia it’s women driving cars.  In some countries it’s women showing any bit of skin beyond the face.  Heck – in this country it used to be people of color using the same drinking fountain as white people.  Eventually society learns to get over it.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, those issues are polarizing. But the nature of the internet means people will leave comments that they dare not say out loud or to a real person. As a sometimes blogger, I’ve seen nasty uncalled-for comments and wonder what those people are like in real life.  I’m all for discussion and even disagreement, but let’s keep it civil! I was taken aback at how the “journalist” in a recent column got absolutely roasted. I’m wondering if he isn’t regretting being featured on your column. He certainly seemed peeved… As a high-strung type-A personality, I know I’m super impatient and judgmental. But I keep my snide (and very funny, at least to myself!) comments under my breath unless I feel really aggrieved and see a real-time solution…

    http://www.dreamtravelblog.wordpress.com

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Its not the discussion that’s necessarily the issue, but rather when its done in a sensational matter.  That’s when it crosses into offensiveness. For example, in the discussion about XL passengers, the article suggests that XL passengers were a potential danger to other passengers.  The evidence for this contention: Suppose the XL passenger was too large to fit through the emergency exit and got stuck.

    Such a statements needs to be put into context, otherwise it merely feeds into the various prejudices and stereotypes against the so called person of size.  Exactly what is the likelihood of someone getting stuck in the emergecy exit? How large would you have to be?  300lbs, 400lbs, 500lbs, 600lbs?  Has this ever happened in recorded aviation history?

    Other posters were concerned that an XL passenger might be mobility impaired and thus slow down an evacuation in an emergency situations.  One must assume that those posters would have the same concerned about the disabled.

    Some of the posters grabbed these “concerns” and used them to justify their belief that XL passengers should be simply banned from flying, regardless of whether they purchased multiple seats, sat in first class, or otherwise took steps to ensure that they in no way encroached upon other passengers.

    Had the poll asked, who would you least want to sit next to, then, at least regarding the XL passenger, it wouldn’t have been so senstational.  But by asking for XL passengers to be completely banned from flying, that is beyond good taste.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TGXKQWFENNDILQLBI2U2QF2VMA Richard

    well spoken!

  • Anonymous

    Once again, the XL activist comes out and whines. Look, I get that some folks don’t fit in their seats comfortably–actually, I don’t think anyone older than 12 years old fits in a coach seat comfortably.

    BUT.

    When you are so large that you are squishing me, then it’s a problem! Buy two seats until the airlines are forced to redesign their aircraft to accommodate the normal sized pax. Which, will never happen because the airlines want to cram as many behinds as possible on board.

    And the breastfeeding moms…I’m surprised you rattled that hornet’s nest, Chris. I have no problems with that, unless, once again, it encroaches on my space. Case and point, the RUDE, LARGE woman who decided to feed her toddler with his legs in my lap. No amount of dirty looks worked, until I said, “Please move him and move him now.”

    To which I was called, “A baby hater.”

    I told an FA who offered me a free drink but said if she said something to the woman, she’d had “La Leche League” crawling up the airline’s butt. Ah great, more activists.

    Perhaps the root of the problem, but the activist groups that want their cause seen, heard, and felt at the discomfort of others?

    IDK.

    All that I know:
    I hate it when I pay for a seat and get crammed in by XL pax, lap children, and idiot parents who just let their little darling do whatever s/he wants.

    (Did you hear about the family kicked off a flight for buying 3 seats for 6 people? Oh, it was beautiful. Course they’re claiming discrimination…because they have four kids. Idiots, you can’t put 2 kids in a seat!!)

  • http://www.deltapoints.com deltaGOLDflyer

    It is a cliché but most hate to talk about the elephant in the room! You should have seen the reaction to me telling what some see as “insider only” information on my blog. Keep up the good work and don’t listen to those with thin skin! I love your blog.

  • http://richi.co.uk/ Richi Jennings

    Christopher, I was on your side right up to the point where you published Arleen Horna’s comments, marked ‘not for publication.’

    I suppose you should at least get a point for disclosing your breach of journalistic etiquette, but minus several million for the breach itself.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXOP2QJLRQ7BDDYYMRSIJZUMFE Kip Hartwell

    Reaction like that proves you hit a nerve and that means a good discussion may ensue.

    My opinions: naturally XL passengers should be allowed to fly and made to pay for any extra seats they need.  I would demand not only a refund but also a free flight if I was forced to fly with out a seat.  The airline should also get a huge fine for even taking off while over full like that.Breastfeeding is a bit harder.  I am all for it and being able to do it when and where needed, but a bit of cover for privacy should be used.  Privacy is an odd issue but it is a fiction we all must participate in or we embarrass everyone.  The problem with breastfeeding is more that the mother is not pretending to conceal therefore the bystander can not pretend not to see.  It may seem a small thing, but such social fictions smooth personal interactions and make living with 7 billion others possible.

    As for people reaction: it seems like people object to the description of events more than your analysis.  This seems odd to me.  Tell it like you see it and do not apologize for that.Let me add my criticism of your list: The gadget guy.  It is not FAA or airline safety issues that require cellphones to be turned off.  It is FCC requirements because it hurts the cell towers and switching systems.  Going that fast makes them lock on and reacquire to fast.  It is a common error.

    I voted “Dog” but really you mean pet :) and smelly people would be about equally bad for me.  But why are smelly people the same as chatty people?  Bad hygiene is not the same as annoying.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll try to keep this short. I voted for raising issues that are important to travellers. I thought that you were a consumer advocate, that’s what drew me to the site and prompted me to support the site both by donating and participating in discussions. If you have decided that you would rather become more controversial by inviting ‘interesting discussions’ such as who should banned from airplanes then I guess I will continue my search elsewhere.

    It seems that I was expecting Christopher Elliott but he wants to be Maury Povich.

  • Nikki

    I get the large-passenger argument… that’s probably going to be debated forever.  But breastfeeding, I’m kind of surprised anyone would have any hang-ups over that.  Isn’t that a natural, motherly instinct thing to do? Sounds to me like the Breastapo needs to find something else to do. 

    And Chris – it’s always good to vent.  Can’t please everyone all of the time, you know?  Don’t let anyone dictate what you write, and write about.  And certainly, don’t let anyone become your travel agent for a guilt trip. 

    Do what you do, guy… we’ll read anyway, whether we agree with you or not.  :)

  • Anonymous

    I want to vote for both as they both reflect the present content and are part of what makes the column a part of my daily life where ever I am in the world. 

  • Anonymous

    Welcome to Corporate America where we, the public, the so called “99%” have become “cannon fodder” in the eyes of major corporations & government at all levels.
    I refuse to give any of my hard earned dollars to Delta or American Airlines. I am no longer a patron of Marriott or Hertz.I do not buy GEor Samsung products because my experience with their idea of Customer Swervice stinks. It is my personal protest.

  • http://www.bestcarry-onluggage.net Jeremiah Johnson

    I have absolutely no problem with a woman breastfeeding her baby in public. I personally feel that some discretion should be used. Its not that difficult to cover the baby and the exposed breast with a light cover to retain some level of modesty however if a woman wants to be completely in the open with it then go for it. Its a natural thing! People should realize that its the most natural form of a woman feeding her baby.

  • Anonymous

    I voted for the “controversial topics” for two reasons, one of which is NOT for provoking lots of comments. 1) Controversial topics are important as these affect people the most, both in positive and negative ways . 2) Although “issues important to travelers” are important issues (and some rightfully controversial) I wouldn’t vote for anything these days that’s “objective, fair and evenhanded” for the reason  that sounds too much like Political Correctness.  PC is the biggest detriment to accomplishing anything – ‘Oh, can’t do that it might offend someone.’ To which I say it’s about time they got offended.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Ravrn,

    If you are replying to my post, then you need to reread it.  My post has absolutely nothing to do with advocating for XL passengers who only purchase one coach seat.

    My issue is that even when the XL passenger has acted responsibly, purchased multiple seats, purchased a first class seat, has showered, and is in no way encroaching upon other passengers, we then invent other highly theoretical ways to discriminate, e.g. can they fit through the emergency exit, will they slow us down, etc.

  • Anonymous

    I’m OK with both types of topics being covered – as long as both are not sensationalized.  If we want sensationalized discussions, there is the National Enquirer.  

    The topics covered here should include clear and precise details, not incomplete statements or wordy restatements of the item being discussed that lead the readers to incorrect conclusions about either the situations or the OP.  If the topic still annoys certain readers even when presented clearly, so be it.  

  • Anonymous

    I commuted back in forth Sacratomato (SMF) and NY LGA when my 2 older boys were babies. When my wife would travel with us, she simply used a white diaper and draped it over the private area. No problems. That was during the very early 90′s. Has morality or norms changed that much since then?

  • Anonymous

    @Christopher Elliott:  I read your column every day and probably won’t stop, even if you go with the “winning” vote, which wants the controversial.  The sense I’ve gotten over the years and from reading “Scammed” (not done yet, I promise I’ll review) and from personal correspondence is you’re a nice, decent guy.  Venting is okay; printing a correspondent’s name who specifically requested anonymity isn’t.  Please consider editing your column and replacing the name with “Mary Worth” or something obviously fake.  It would affirm my belief in my image of you as a nice, decent guy (and journalist).

    I guiltily enjoy snarky comments like Raven’s.  I try not to post things I wouldn’t say face to face, but sure enjoy seeing my thoughts expressed.  I don’t like the personal attacks though, that sometimes ensue when the comments get out of hand.  To give a recent example: the issue of out-of-control child behavior became a battleground between 2 regulars about “autism”, whose comments I normally enjoy and I felt really bad for both commenters; one for phrasing something rather recklessly and perhaps regretting the phrasing and the other for defending his child.

    To conclude: If you present the facts, in your own entertaining and readable style, people being people will take advantage of the anonymity of the Internet will create their own controversy.  You don’t have to do so.

    Thanks. 

  • http://twitter.com/Familylawcourts Familylawcourts.com

    Your comments about Horna (whose brain is clearly nowhere near the size of her mouth) made me laugh right out loud.  Thanks!

  • Anonymous

    “First, I am writing mostly to an American audience, and like it or not, we are a bunch of prudes.”

    No, we’re just self absorbed and not considerate of others.  You are too kind to use the wprd prude.

  • http://twitter.com/Familylawcourts Familylawcourts.com

    Perhaps, those writing snarky comments feel they can say whatever they want in a sneaky quiet way….but I’m just as pleased Chris didn’t feel constrained by her demands.  After all, she wrote him.  She could have chosen merely to move on.  She wanted to insult him quietly and move on…while demanding her right to be sneaky and stupid.  Chris didn’t buy into her line of so-called reasoning.  Good for him, I wouldn’t have either. 

  • Anonymous

    Personally I would advocate for some sort of federal law or rule that would bridge the gap between state laws while one is in the air.

    I know some people are upset when they catch a fleeting glimpse of a nipple. However, Chris’s phrase about “normal acts” misses a simple and not insignificant point. Having sex or “going to the bathroom” in a public place are almost universally considered “indecent acts” under the laws of every state.  People doing those acts in public have gone to jail for doing so.  Breastfeeding in a public place (even when not covered up or even indiscreet) is almost universally not considered an indecent act under the laws of nearly every state.

  • Anonymous

    There certainly seems to be more rebellion toward keeping breastfeeding a private act. It seems for many now that even the simple act of putting a cloth over the baby while breastfeeding is forbidden; that the act must be seen by the world for some reason.

  • Anonymous

    I love this site. It allows for dissenting opinions and fierce debates. That’s what democracy is all about.

  • Anonymous

    But gerry, is there anything that does not stink? Almost every product and service that is still affordable seems to be in a race to the bottom. Maybe one exception – Apple – but they also use slave-like Chinese labor that makes me sad.

  • Joel Wechsler

    Why did she write, if she didn’t want her comments published? Was she trying to satisfy her own ego or simply to insult Chris without know ing the facts as to his size or his family. BTW, if she were at all a regular reader she would know that he has three kids. I think he was right to call her out.

  • http://richi.co.uk/ Richi Jennings

    Journalists either honor NFP requests or they lose the right to be seen as journalists. Yes, there can be exceptions — say in the public interest — but this case isn’t one of them.

  • Anonymous

    Are you kidding?  Ever since I discovered your column, I can’t stop reading.  I love it, even if I disagree with something you say, which hasn’t happened often, and even if I haven’t been affected by something you are discussing.  Someday I may face one of those situations and will have a better idea of what to do.  For those who are upset, it is not being prejudicial to point out what annoys the traveling public.  It is what it is. A heavy person may not be able to control his/her weight, but that doesn’t mean we as the public do not have feelings about being squeezed next to such a person. I would not mind a heavy person next to me if I wouldn’t be claustrophobic.  I dread the day I will feel closed in by a heavy person.  Other people have reasonable reasons for their feelings, too.  All people, except terrorists have the right to fly, but all need to respect the rights of other travelers  to have a comfortable journey, also.  Those who know they are interfereing with these rights of others, need to take steps to make themselves more accommodating.  Parents need to try everything necessary to cntrol children.  Doing the best they can is all we ask.  More than that we can tolerate.  If you know others get upset by your weight getting into their space, it would be kind of you to spend the extra money for a first class larger seat.  Respect for others is the key.  I am tired of excusing yourself with the word prejudicial.  There are choices to be made.  Try to be nice and considerate of your neighbors.

  • Eric Stone

    Two major differences between breastfeeding and “going to the bathroom or having sex”:
    1. Breastfeeding does not involve exposing a sexual organ. No, female breasts are not sexual.
    2. Public breastfeeding does not create any sort of hygiene issue to others in the vicinity. On the other hand, breastfeeding your baby in a public restroom is unhygeienic and pretty gross if you think about it.

    People who are bothered by public breastfeeding really are the ones with the problem. They need to grow up.

  • Anonymous

    Well said.  I, too, come to this site for travel information and read the scenarios that can serve to help me avoid potential problems with future trips.  That previous topic was purposely inflammatory and Chris knew what he was doing when he posted it.  As an ombudsman/travel/consumer advocate, I wouldn’t have expect him to stoop to that level.  The only time I would consider that “journalism” is if it were in the editorial section of the paper.  Epic fail, Chris.

  • Anonymous

    I was replying to Chris.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, I do regret my comments in that thread. I’m generally a snarky person and will say what’s on my mind. However, I definitely couldn’t told that story in a less offensive way.

  • Anonymous

    I’m only bothered by it when some inconsiderate mother puts her child’s legs in my lap. That’s just rude.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Chris, if you never (inadvertently, of course) offended anybody, your column would be boring as **** and nobody would read it.  (It would be kind of like those flyers handed out by government agencies describing their programs to the public.  Ever read one that actually said anything?)  Consider it a mark of your success that you apparently managed to get rid of some of the deadwood among your readership, and without even trying… 

  • http://twitter.com/Lonnieclar Lonnie Clar

    Re large size passengers, breastfeeding, etc., etc.:

    Common courtesy: let large passengers fly, let breastfeeding mom’s anywhere, etc.,

    More Common courtesy: don’t impinge on other’s space, cover up lightly so as to respect others, etc., etc.

    Doesn’t it all come down to both sides in all of these issues simply respecting the others’ feelings as well?

    Am I missing something?

  • Anonymous

    Thank you to you and to your wife for doing that–maybe you gave some less-thoughtful mothers a good example and idea.

    As a woman (for what that’s worth) I do NOT want nursing mothers in my face about it in a public space.  Yes, I know, it’s natural and normal… but so is coughing up mucus.  Capeesh? 

  • Anonymous

    oh my!  “Inside information” found on your blog?  I must go read it right now and so should everyone else! 

    I hope my sarcasm is coming across you sucky spammer.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know that I’d go as far as to compare Chris to Maury Povich, but I agree that the best posts on this site are those in which he takes up the case of someone who has a dispute with a travel provider and tries to negotiate a compromise that both the traveler and business are satisfied with. I’ve learned a lot from those stories that I keep in mind when I’m traveling, and I also find those posts to be interesting and entertaining.

    Debating what is to be done about large passengers, breastfeeding, etc, might make for heated discussion but in the end it really doesn’t solve anything.

  • Anonymous

    Some people LIKE the attention they get whilst breastfeeding and think everyone should enjoy how ‘cute’ and ‘natural’ it is, and what ‘wonderful mothers’ they must be.  It’s the self-centered thing of new parenthood.  This is perfectly normal, so let’s just all say, “Oh, how cute” and give them their kudos.  It never hurts to be nice….

  • Anonymous

    Discriminating against XXL people?  Is this a protected disability?  A religion, race, or creed?  Yeah ,yeah, it’s glandular.  Give me a break.  Your right to fly stops at my rump.  Yes, coach seats are actually too small for most people to fly comfortably, but as long as the airlines continue to build ‘em that way (and we let them get away with it), people who can’t fit in one seat need to buy two seats or fly first class. 

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think there’s has every been anything particularly immoral about breastfeeding in public, although yeah – norms and acceptance has changed.

    There was some sort of federal recommendation that breastfeeding was best in the late 90s, and since then most states have passed laws that allow a woman to breastfeed a baby anywhere she’d otherwise be allowed (including federal property) with some laws specific that “covering up” can’t be compelled.

  • Anonymous

    It’s legally a civil right now.

    I guess you don’t have to like it, but since it’s the law there’s nothing you can do about it.

  • Anonymous

    It’s legally a civil right now.

    I guess you don’t have to like it, but since it’s the law there’s nothing you can do about it.

  • Anonymous

    As I said, the right to breastfeed in public and not be compelled to cover up is protected by state law.  Some people may not like it, but to equate that with having sex or urinating in public is so off-base, since those are illegal acts while breastfeeding in public is a legally protected act.

    The only problem now is a confusion about what laws apply when a plane is in the air, and I wish that the Feds would do something to clarify rather than allow each airline to have (or not have) its own policy.

  • Anonymous

    As I said, the right to breastfeed in public and not be compelled to cover up is protected by state law.  Some people may not like it, but to equate that with having sex or urinating in public is so off-base, since those are illegal acts while breastfeeding in public is a legally protected act.

    The only problem now is a confusion about what laws apply when a plane is in the air, and I wish that the Feds would do something to clarify rather than allow each airline to have (or not have) its own policy.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry but as a gay man I do not want to see a breast out feeding a kid so when they cover it up that is fine but when they stick them out there like it is a watering can. GROSS.   But they have to eat too so, that is life.
     
    The same goes for the 400 lb guy in buying an econony seat.  You do not see him buying a Mini Cooper do you no he goes for the GAS EATING HUMMER but is too cheap to buy a first class ticket that he can fit that big butt into. Because he thinks he the ticket is for getting his 400 lb from point A to B like it is being shipped by UPS. 

  • Kristi Nelson

    Those who say that it’s easy to cover up while breastfeeding obviously never had a baby who resisted being covered up while nursing.  It’s easy for you to say its no problem, but some babies fight having covers placed over them while they eat.  My baby would fight me to get the nursing cover off whenever I tried it.  Because I’m a modest person, I went out of my way to plan my schedule so I wouldn’t have to nurse in public.  Thank goodness I had no need to travel on an airplane as I wouldn’t have had a choice but to nurse in public without a cover.  Some babies also refuse to drink from a bottle, so by insisting that nursing mothers cover up, it could result in the mother not being able to feed her baby.   

  • Anonymous

    Well – I got into an argument

    Still – there “ain’t nuttin illegal” about breastfeeding in a public place, although many people are still so prudish about it that they act as if there  it should be illegal.

  • http://www.treadmillreviews.com/ Jessica Staheli

    Ever hear the phrase “Modest is Hottest?”

    Both my religion and childhood were very strict on modesty, even wearing a tank top was inappropriate. Even when my mom would breastfeed her children, she would always make sure she was behind closed doors.

  • Anonymous

    OK.

    If it offends you then perhaps move to community that enforces religious modesty laws.  However, most states have laws that trump local ordinances.

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