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	<title>Comments on: Now that&#8217;s a classy hotel: Banff Fairmont saves ruined vacation</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/now-thats-a-classy-hotel-banff-fairmont-saves-ruined-vacation/comment-page-1/#comment-21252</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things change in travel. Just because in the past you were able to travel using only your middle name or a diminutive or a nickname, doesn&#039;t mean you will get past anymore since the middle of May when the TSA got more strict on its name requirements.  Heck, you used to be able to walk up to the gate area without a ticket, but you can&#039;t do that anymore, and you used to be able to take full bottles of shampoo in your carryon, but you can&#039;t do that anymore either.   And while Canadian immigration may not have denied them entry into Canada (although at the end of my last cruise I was beginning to wonder if I was going to get denied entry after several minutes of strict question by the Canadian immigration officer so nothing would surprise me), it&#039;s very possible that US immigration wouldn&#039;t have allowed them to board their flight back to the US at the end of their vacation if their tickets didn&#039;t match their passports.  

As to the comment that websites shouldn&#039;t allow people to book reservations with names like Sue or Jim, I know many people that those ARE their real names, not shortened versions. Don&#039;t expect Travelocity or US Air or Amtrak to know what all the possible diminuitives are and give special warnings based on that.  Why are we expected to know that Beth and Betsy might be shortened versions of Elizabeth or Elisabeth, that Jim might be a shortened version of John or Jack (and Jack might also be a nickname for someone named John), that an Andy or Drew might actually be an Andrew, that a Bob or Rob might be Robert, etc?   Why should the airlines be responsible because people don&#039;t take the time to read the warnings that your full, legal name must be used? To me that should be enough and if you chose to ignore the warning, then you take responsibility if something gets messed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things change in travel. Just because in the past you were able to travel using only your middle name or a diminutive or a nickname, doesn&#8217;t mean you will get past anymore since the middle of May when the TSA got more strict on its name requirements.  Heck, you used to be able to walk up to the gate area without a ticket, but you can&#8217;t do that anymore, and you used to be able to take full bottles of shampoo in your carryon, but you can&#8217;t do that anymore either.   And while Canadian immigration may not have denied them entry into Canada (although at the end of my last cruise I was beginning to wonder if I was going to get denied entry after several minutes of strict question by the Canadian immigration officer so nothing would surprise me), it&#8217;s very possible that US immigration wouldn&#8217;t have allowed them to board their flight back to the US at the end of their vacation if their tickets didn&#8217;t match their passports.  </p>
<p>As to the comment that websites shouldn&#8217;t allow people to book reservations with names like Sue or Jim, I know many people that those ARE their real names, not shortened versions. Don&#8217;t expect Travelocity or US Air or Amtrak to know what all the possible diminuitives are and give special warnings based on that.  Why are we expected to know that Beth and Betsy might be shortened versions of Elizabeth or Elisabeth, that Jim might be a shortened version of John or Jack (and Jack might also be a nickname for someone named John), that an Andy or Drew might actually be an Andrew, that a Bob or Rob might be Robert, etc?   Why should the airlines be responsible because people don&#8217;t take the time to read the warnings that your full, legal name must be used? To me that should be enough and if you chose to ignore the warning, then you take responsibility if something gets messed up.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Josh the poster above, I just changed my profile with UA to include my middle name, I just called the Premier Executive desk to do it, Also had my birthdate added which will soon be a requirement on the BP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Josh the poster above, I just changed my profile with UA to include my middle name, I just called the Premier Executive desk to do it, Also had my birthdate added which will soon be a requirement on the BP.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/now-thats-a-classy-hotel-banff-fairmont-saves-ruined-vacation/comment-page-1/#comment-21161</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Emerson- Alaska Airlines totally did the right thing in this situation. Although it is unlikely that Calgary would have denied entry to the Kohlmans, if Canada did deny entry, Alaska Airlines would be held liable for boarding passengers with incorrect travel documentation and would have been fined. 

Although you may not have historically had a problem, your situation is about to change as the DHS is starting a major crackdown on ensuring identical matches between identification and ticket: http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2009/05/whats-in-name.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Emerson- Alaska Airlines totally did the right thing in this situation. Although it is unlikely that Calgary would have denied entry to the Kohlmans, if Canada did deny entry, Alaska Airlines would be held liable for boarding passengers with incorrect travel documentation and would have been fined. </p>
<p>Although you may not have historically had a problem, your situation is about to change as the DHS is starting a major crackdown on ensuring identical matches between identification and ticket: <a href="http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2009/05/whats-in-name.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2009/05/whats-in-name.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is ridiculous what they were told by Alaska Air. All my FF accounts are pre-9/11 and use my middle name as my first name. Consequentially that name is what shows on my tickets, and it doesn&#039;t match my drivers license or passport, which only show that name as an initial.   I&#039;ve never had a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is ridiculous what they were told by Alaska Air. All my FF accounts are pre-9/11 and use my middle name as my first name. Consequentially that name is what shows on my tickets, and it doesn&#8217;t match my drivers license or passport, which only show that name as an initial.   I&#8217;ve never had a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan: No need to be snarky! This article is indeed news to those who don&#039;t know Fairmont properties. I agree that Fairmont provides topflight customer service, but their two Bermuda properties are near the bottom of my list when I stay in Bermuda. Hamilton is too far from the beach, and while the Southhampton hotel has great views, I find it very un-Bermudian. But hey, different strokes . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan: No need to be snarky! This article is indeed news to those who don&#8217;t know Fairmont properties. I agree that Fairmont provides topflight customer service, but their two Bermuda properties are near the bottom of my list when I stay in Bermuda. Hamilton is too far from the beach, and while the Southhampton hotel has great views, I find it very un-Bermudian. But hey, different strokes . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few aspects to the name issue (which is going to be even more important as TSA adopts more stringent policies too):

1)  People need to have ONE formal name (and ONE English transliteration if not natively so) and use it consistently.  My daughter&#039;s nickname is Cassie, and that&#039;s what everyone calls her, but her full name is Catherine, and we use that without fail on travel tickets, school paperwork, etc; I would never think of doing otherwise.  Same for the E Scott Johnson&#039;s of the world -- if your name is really Edvardo Scott Johnson, that&#039;s what you need to use on all documents (and deal with people not knowing you prefer to be called &quot;Scott&quot; until you tell them), or get it formally changed.

2)  Airlines and others need to ensure their systems can take a consistent style of names.  Right now, I can&#039;t change my United profile to put my full middle name in; it only has room for one letter.  And they should be more flexible on &quot;obvious&quot; name changes after the fact.

3)  I MUCH prefer online systems where I enter my own info and can confirm that it&#039;s correct, vs trying to spell it to an agent on the phone.  When my daughter was an infant and got special fares (not usually available anymore) that required phoning, I often got &quot;Katherine&quot; even after spelling it for them twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few aspects to the name issue (which is going to be even more important as TSA adopts more stringent policies too):</p>
<p>1)  People need to have ONE formal name (and ONE English transliteration if not natively so) and use it consistently.  My daughter&#8217;s nickname is Cassie, and that&#8217;s what everyone calls her, but her full name is Catherine, and we use that without fail on travel tickets, school paperwork, etc; I would never think of doing otherwise.  Same for the E Scott Johnson&#8217;s of the world &#8212; if your name is really Edvardo Scott Johnson, that&#8217;s what you need to use on all documents (and deal with people not knowing you prefer to be called &#8220;Scott&#8221; until you tell them), or get it formally changed.</p>
<p>2)  Airlines and others need to ensure their systems can take a consistent style of names.  Right now, I can&#8217;t change my United profile to put my full middle name in; it only has room for one letter.  And they should be more flexible on &#8220;obvious&#8221; name changes after the fact.</p>
<p>3)  I MUCH prefer online systems where I enter my own info and can confirm that it&#8217;s correct, vs trying to spell it to an agent on the phone.  When my daughter was an infant and got special fares (not usually available anymore) that required phoning, I often got &#8220;Katherine&#8221; even after spelling it for them twice.</p>
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		<title>By: acproductions</title>
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		<dc:creator>acproductions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fairmont is consistently wonderful; they really do a good job of caring for their guests, and have bent over backwards more than once to help me out, or make changes they could decline to get involved in.

@Brit - sorry - the pic is most definitely Banff.  Lake Louise is cream-colored.
@Passing Through - Be sure to join the Fairmont President&#039;s Club.  It&#039;s free, gives you automatic room upgrade and goodies, dedicated check-in lines, special rates and offers, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fairmont is consistently wonderful; they really do a good job of caring for their guests, and have bent over backwards more than once to help me out, or make changes they could decline to get involved in.</p>
<p>@Brit &#8211; sorry &#8211; the pic is most definitely Banff.  Lake Louise is cream-colored.<br />
@Passing Through &#8211; Be sure to join the Fairmont President&#8217;s Club.  It&#8217;s free, gives you automatic room upgrade and goodies, dedicated check-in lines, special rates and offers, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Small point - Brit above says the photo is Chateau Lake Louise, but that&#039;s incorrect. Chateau Lake Louise is a pale beige color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small point &#8211; Brit above says the photo is Chateau Lake Louise, but that&#8217;s incorrect. Chateau Lake Louise is a pale beige color.</p>
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		<title>By: Passing Through</title>
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		<dc:creator>Passing Through</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering where I should go on a vacation in the near future.  Looks like I&#039;ll be looking out for Fairmonts.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering where I should go on a vacation in the near future.  Looks like I&#8217;ll be looking out for Fairmonts.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris....or Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris....or Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is a security issue for the airline and likely their policy.  In effect, they are being asked to board a person who&#039;s identification doesn&#039;t exactly match their ticket.  Not good!  Now, we all realize that Jim and James are related names,  but is Jack Kennedy or John?  Does only one name need to match?  A partial one?  Now what about foreign diminuitives, spellings, etc? (Who but a Spaniard would know that &quot;Chema&quot; is diminuitive for JoseMaria?)  I can only imagine in other languages, like Arabic, the potential for variations.  So, in an effort to make it fair and applied equally for everyone, they enforce the same rule, just like it says at the website when you book:  the name on the ticket must match the name on your id (passport for international).  Personally, I feel more secure knowing they require id to match the ticket -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is a security issue for the airline and likely their policy.  In effect, they are being asked to board a person who&#8217;s identification doesn&#8217;t exactly match their ticket.  Not good!  Now, we all realize that Jim and James are related names,  but is Jack Kennedy or John?  Does only one name need to match?  A partial one?  Now what about foreign diminuitives, spellings, etc? (Who but a Spaniard would know that &#8220;Chema&#8221; is diminuitive for JoseMaria?)  I can only imagine in other languages, like Arabic, the potential for variations.  So, in an effort to make it fair and applied equally for everyone, they enforce the same rule, just like it says at the website when you book:  the name on the ticket must match the name on your id (passport for international).  Personally, I feel more secure knowing they require id to match the ticket -</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I know many people book through these third party web sites all the time. But, for the life of me, I can’t figure out why you would bother. You just add one more layer of complexity and chances for things to go wrong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Although I work in a travel agency, I can&#039;t help but &quot;partly&quot; agree with that comment.

If anything, people book through third party travel agencies because they tend to save up when getting a flight and hotel combination at the very least. Of course, the drawback to that is the vendors will insist the customer deal directly with the travel agency it was booked to begin with.

Maybe it was a so-called money grab, maybe the Alaska Airlines agent sincerely told the Kohlmans how Calgary border officials might treat that. I know some of you said the Kohlmans wouldn&#039;t have been turned away because of that, but...what if that happened, knock on wood?

After all, no one wants to be told one thing. Only to find out the hard way it&#039;s another, and might result in a costly mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I know many people book through these third party web sites all the time. But, for the life of me, I can’t figure out why you would bother. You just add one more layer of complexity and chances for things to go wrong.</p></blockquote>
<p>Although I work in a travel agency, I can&#8217;t help but &#8220;partly&#8221; agree with that comment.</p>
<p>If anything, people book through third party travel agencies because they tend to save up when getting a flight and hotel combination at the very least. Of course, the drawback to that is the vendors will insist the customer deal directly with the travel agency it was booked to begin with.</p>
<p>Maybe it was a so-called money grab, maybe the Alaska Airlines agent sincerely told the Kohlmans how Calgary border officials might treat that. I know some of you said the Kohlmans wouldn&#8217;t have been turned away because of that, but&#8230;what if that happened, knock on wood?</p>
<p>After all, no one wants to be told one thing. Only to find out the hard way it&#8217;s another, and might result in a costly mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Wechsler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Wechsler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is beyond belief that Travelocity would issue tickets in the names of &quot;Jim&quot; and&quot;sue&quot; regardless of how clueless the travelers themselves were. That being said, however, I agree with those who have said that they would not have been turned away in Calgary. Canadian immigration would not have looked at their tickets, given a cursory glance at heir passports and sent them on their way with a smile. What might have happened when they checked in for their return flight may be a different story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is beyond belief that Travelocity would issue tickets in the names of &#8220;Jim&#8221; and&#8221;sue&#8221; regardless of how clueless the travelers themselves were. That being said, however, I agree with those who have said that they would not have been turned away in Calgary. Canadian immigration would not have looked at their tickets, given a cursory glance at heir passports and sent them on their way with a smile. What might have happened when they checked in for their return flight may be a different story.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvonne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yvonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another reason travellers should use a Travel Agent.  It has been years that clients have needed their full first and last names as per their passports.  It&#039;s not up to the airline to make sure the person who is booking the flight is competent enough to know how to book a
ticket under their correct name.  As agents we have to check more then once to make sure
the name they are giving is correct and one time out of ten it is wrong.  They are quite lucky to have the Fairmont extend the offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another reason travellers should use a Travel Agent.  It has been years that clients have needed their full first and last names as per their passports.  It&#8217;s not up to the airline to make sure the person who is booking the flight is competent enough to know how to book a<br />
ticket under their correct name.  As agents we have to check more then once to make sure<br />
the name they are giving is correct and one time out of ten it is wrong.  They are quite lucky to have the Fairmont extend the offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Brit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree the Fairmont organization takes care of the clients to ensure repeat business. As for the ticket not matching the passport in Calgary immigration doesnt actually look at your ticket they only llok at your passport so it would have been fairly unlikely that they would have been denided access to Canada.

P.S the picture is of the Fairmont Lake Louise not the Fairmont Banff :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree the Fairmont organization takes care of the clients to ensure repeat business. As for the ticket not matching the passport in Calgary immigration doesnt actually look at your ticket they only llok at your passport so it would have been fairly unlikely that they would have been denided access to Canada.</p>
<p>P.S the picture is of the Fairmont Lake Louise not the Fairmont Banff :)</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to our friends at the Fairmont for helping the Kohlman&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to our friends at the Fairmont for helping the Kohlman&#8217;s.</p>
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