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	<title>Comments on: No refund for passenger whose father dies &#8212; airline keeps the upgrade, too</title>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 05:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not just United... In my experience there is always someone who is less caring and someone more understanding at any call center not just airlines. In my past experience, there United representatives even in India who were willing to bend some rules and make changes without penalty. Sometimes it just takes more then one call until you find someone who is willing to help you. And again in my experience it is not just United, but also American, Continental, Delta and even non travel businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not just United&#8230; In my experience there is always someone who is less caring and someone more understanding at any call center not just airlines. In my past experience, there United representatives even in India who were willing to bend some rules and make changes without penalty. Sometimes it just takes more then one call until you find someone who is willing to help you. And again in my experience it is not just United, but also American, Continental, Delta and even non travel businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Pavlus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Pavlus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 05:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real issue is that United does not trust or empower their employees to make decisions. There should be levels of authority delegated down to every employee to address sensitive issues as in this story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real issue is that United does not trust or empower their employees to make decisions. There should be levels of authority delegated down to every employee to address sensitive issues as in this story.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 05:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are the parking comments by &quot;Bill&quot; and the &quot;Terry L. Ball&quot; comments here?  They have nothing to do about anything - looks like two people trying to make money, one by returning abandoned carts and another offering a parking service I guarantee you I&#039;ll never use.

As for the actual story, doesn&#039;t Travel insurance cover those things like a death in the family?  My credit card has travel insurance.  I looked at the terms, and I wouldn&#039;t receive all of my money back in such a case, but certainly enough of it.  Why burden the airlines with an extra cost?

I went to a funeral a little over a month ago.  All of the cheap seats were gone.  I suppose I should have demanded that the airline kick someone out of the cheap seats because I had a funeral to go to?  I paid the fare that I had to pay. I use a card that has travel insurance.  I guess all of these other people&#039;s misfortunes will,however, be embedded in my ticket.

Sorry to sound callous, but thousands of people die every week.  Carry insurance when you travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are the parking comments by &#8220;Bill&#8221; and the &#8220;Terry L. Ball&#8221; comments here?  They have nothing to do about anything &#8211; looks like two people trying to make money, one by returning abandoned carts and another offering a parking service I guarantee you I&#8217;ll never use.</p>
<p>As for the actual story, doesn&#8217;t Travel insurance cover those things like a death in the family?  My credit card has travel insurance.  I looked at the terms, and I wouldn&#8217;t receive all of my money back in such a case, but certainly enough of it.  Why burden the airlines with an extra cost?</p>
<p>I went to a funeral a little over a month ago.  All of the cheap seats were gone.  I suppose I should have demanded that the airline kick someone out of the cheap seats because I had a funeral to go to?  I paid the fare that I had to pay. I use a card that has travel insurance.  I guess all of these other people&#8217;s misfortunes will,however, be embedded in my ticket.</p>
<p>Sorry to sound callous, but thousands of people die every week.  Carry insurance when you travel.</p>
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		<title>By: Jodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 00:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my story of a recent lousy experience with United customer service at just about every level of its system:  http://dinnersbyjodi.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-i-made-for-dinner-august-8-2010.html

I sent my story to United, and the representative was apologetic and sent some coupons for money off our &quot;next flight&quot;--as if.  I think that company has some pervasive problems, and I don&#039;t know what they are, but it reminds me of TWA in its last days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my story of a recent lousy experience with United customer service at just about every level of its system:  <a href="http://dinnersbyjodi.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-i-made-for-dinner-august-8-2010.html" rel="nofollow">http://dinnersbyjodi.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-i-made-for-dinner-august-8-2010.html</a></p>
<p>I sent my story to United, and the representative was apologetic and sent some coupons for money off our &#8220;next flight&#8221;&#8211;as if.  I think that company has some pervasive problems, and I don&#8217;t know what they are, but it reminds me of TWA in its last days.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry L. Ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry L. Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was not unruly or a threat or disruptive and had no weapons. I did not resist and went along peacefully in handcuffs in front of a ticket counter. The trooper bragged about violating peoples civil rights for 12 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not unruly or a threat or disruptive and had no weapons. I did not resist and went along peacefully in handcuffs in front of a ticket counter. The trooper bragged about violating peoples civil rights for 12 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry L. Ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry L. Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did get arrested at Logan for trespassing. I was alowed to return bag carts by the manager of bagcart and his asst. mgr. reinforced my being alowed to return carts  as well. The Ma. state police charged me with trespassing in a unsecure public area. I had arrived by public tranportation at terminal C. I go to court Oct.1, 2010 in east Boston. I am in Boston for cancer surgery and have return airfare paid for and on hold with Virgin America Back to San Francisco as soon as my recovery is finished. I showed the Gestopo the ticket and the letter from my Doctor. It cost me $40 to bail out of jail labor day weekend. If the Gestopo had told me the bail was truly $100 I would have been able to post it and get a it all back. Instead the gestopo called his drunken buddy who took my $40 and they released me. Just remember, F Troop is the barricks at logan. Just like the T.V. show. It took 4 troopers to book me on a misdomener, when they should have been looking for criminals and terrorists. Wish me luck. Don&#039;t believe that they are your friends and here to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did get arrested at Logan for trespassing. I was alowed to return bag carts by the manager of bagcart and his asst. mgr. reinforced my being alowed to return carts  as well. The Ma. state police charged me with trespassing in a unsecure public area. I had arrived by public tranportation at terminal C. I go to court Oct.1, 2010 in east Boston. I am in Boston for cancer surgery and have return airfare paid for and on hold with Virgin America Back to San Francisco as soon as my recovery is finished. I showed the Gestopo the ticket and the letter from my Doctor. It cost me $40 to bail out of jail labor day weekend. If the Gestopo had told me the bail was truly $100 I would have been able to post it and get a it all back. Instead the gestopo called his drunken buddy who took my $40 and they released me. Just remember, F Troop is the barricks at logan. Just like the T.V. show. It took 4 troopers to book me on a misdomener, when they should have been looking for criminals and terrorists. Wish me luck. Don&#8217;t believe that they are your friends and here to help.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my understanding that Several US AIRLINES, USE FEMALE INMATES AT CERTAIN PENAL INSTITUIONS AS CUSTOMER SERVICE AGENTS,AS PART OF REHABILITATION  PROGRAMS. &quot;CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG&quot; 

ONE CAN ALMOST TELL WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING WITH A CUSTOMER SERVICE AGENT OF THIS CALIBRE BY THE WAY THEY SPEAK TO YOU!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my understanding that Several US AIRLINES, USE FEMALE INMATES AT CERTAIN PENAL INSTITUIONS AS CUSTOMER SERVICE AGENTS,AS PART OF REHABILITATION  PROGRAMS. &#8220;CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG&#8221; </p>
<p>ONE CAN ALMOST TELL WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING WITH A CUSTOMER SERVICE AGENT OF THIS CALIBRE BY THE WAY THEY SPEAK TO YOU!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2002 I booked a ticket to see my ill grandfather. Sadly, he passed away three weeks before that flight and was cremated the next day. My father immediately planned a memorial service two weeks after his death, and I contact United to ask if they would waive the change flight fee given the bereavement circumstances.

I told the woman who took my call that my grandfather had recently passed away and that I needed to move my flight up by a week to attend his memorial ceremony. I then told her the dates I needed changed and that I could provide a death certificate if she needed it, at which point she interrupted me with an impolite, “What?  Excuse me?” 

I thought she just didn&#039;t hear me since I had been crying and my voice was shaky, and so I repeated the information I had just told her. She responded, saying, “Lady, look at the dates here. You’re telling me he just died and they’re going to hang onto his body for two weeks?  I’m sorry, but that’s just unbelievable.”

I was absolutely shocked and stunned by her comments, and asked for her name. She paused momentarily, then sarcastically said, “Thanks for calling United,” without providing a name. She proceeded to hang up on me, however, not before I heard her say, “What an idiot; I can’t believe this woman ...” to whomever was listening in the reservations office.

I called back again and was connected with a caring customer service rep named Joyce who helped me change my flight and waived the fee, but I have never forgotten this woman. Four letters to United executives went unanswered, and I was told that United did not at the time record calls so there was no way of telling who that person was.

I still can&#039;t believe United would hire the type of person who would laugh at someone crying on the phone. A death in any situation is hard, but to be treated with contempt by a woman whose primary job is customer service made a painful situation far worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2002 I booked a ticket to see my ill grandfather. Sadly, he passed away three weeks before that flight and was cremated the next day. My father immediately planned a memorial service two weeks after his death, and I contact United to ask if they would waive the change flight fee given the bereavement circumstances.</p>
<p>I told the woman who took my call that my grandfather had recently passed away and that I needed to move my flight up by a week to attend his memorial ceremony. I then told her the dates I needed changed and that I could provide a death certificate if she needed it, at which point she interrupted me with an impolite, “What?  Excuse me?” </p>
<p>I thought she just didn&#8217;t hear me since I had been crying and my voice was shaky, and so I repeated the information I had just told her. She responded, saying, “Lady, look at the dates here. You’re telling me he just died and they’re going to hang onto his body for two weeks?  I’m sorry, but that’s just unbelievable.”</p>
<p>I was absolutely shocked and stunned by her comments, and asked for her name. She paused momentarily, then sarcastically said, “Thanks for calling United,” without providing a name. She proceeded to hang up on me, however, not before I heard her say, “What an idiot; I can’t believe this woman &#8230;” to whomever was listening in the reservations office.</p>
<p>I called back again and was connected with a caring customer service rep named Joyce who helped me change my flight and waived the fee, but I have never forgotten this woman. Four letters to United executives went unanswered, and I was told that United did not at the time record calls so there was no way of telling who that person was.</p>
<p>I still can&#8217;t believe United would hire the type of person who would laugh at someone crying on the phone. A death in any situation is hard, but to be treated with contempt by a woman whose primary job is customer service made a painful situation far worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 07:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More evidence pro and con about airlines. My parents were visiting my sister in Kansas City in 2004, when my father had a stroke. He died just over two  weeks later without regaining consciousness. Northwest, with which they had flown from Tampa, refused to allow my mother to reschedule the return leg of her flight, even on a stand-by basis. She had to buy a new single. (We thought it unreasonable even to ask for any refund on the unused part of my father&#039;s ticket.) My mother has never forgotten Northwest&#039;s inflexibility.

At the same time, however, I had a previously booked trip (non-changeable etc) from London to Tampa to visit my parents that coincided with my father&#039;s illness. When he died, I called United to say that I wouldn&#039;t be able to make the return trip on the original date; they said not to worry, just to let them know when I would be able to fly, and they would let me do it then at no additional charge, if there was space available. And they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More evidence pro and con about airlines. My parents were visiting my sister in Kansas City in 2004, when my father had a stroke. He died just over two  weeks later without regaining consciousness. Northwest, with which they had flown from Tampa, refused to allow my mother to reschedule the return leg of her flight, even on a stand-by basis. She had to buy a new single. (We thought it unreasonable even to ask for any refund on the unused part of my father&#8217;s ticket.) My mother has never forgotten Northwest&#8217;s inflexibility.</p>
<p>At the same time, however, I had a previously booked trip (non-changeable etc) from London to Tampa to visit my parents that coincided with my father&#8217;s illness. When he died, I called United to say that I wouldn&#8217;t be able to make the return trip on the original date; they said not to worry, just to let them know when I would be able to fly, and they would let me do it then at no additional charge, if there was space available. And they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Preston

Sorry, I just can&#039;t agree.  This self serving nonsense about always using a travel agency is getting tired.  One does not go to the doctor for every ache and pain. One does not go to a lawyer for ever traffic ticket. And you don&#039;t need a travel agent for all travel.

@Bill.

That sounds like an ad. I hope Chris deletes it</description>
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<p>Sorry, I just can&#8217;t agree.  This self serving nonsense about always using a travel agency is getting tired.  One does not go to the doctor for every ache and pain. One does not go to a lawyer for ever traffic ticket. And you don&#8217;t need a travel agent for all travel.</p>
<p>@Bill.</p>
<p>That sounds like an ad. I hope Chris deletes it</p>
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		<title>By: Yvette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yvette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>United isn&#039;t the only one who offers no sympathy...a similar thing happened to me with American. My boyfriend (now husband) and I booked two tickets to India with a departure the day after Christmas 07. 

My father passed suddenly on Christmas Eve, and we delayed our trip to be with family, make funeral arrangements and burry my dad. I spent a good part of the day Christmas Eve and many hours on days afterwards on the phone trying to work out something with American where we wouldn&#039;t be hit with the $1400+ dollar extra costs they were insisting on to change our tickets. No matter how high up the chain I went, the best I was offerred was as waive of the change fee.. I was told no matter what that I&#039;d have to pay the new ticket price, which was very high because it was no longer a 30- or even 14 day advance purchase. I had to fax the death certificate just to get that.  I paid an additional $1400 in the end and got little sympathy or interest in helping me during a time that was very traumatic. The bottom line is that we got fleeced and the airline profited off of my father&#039;s death. I find that abhorrent. 

The one good thing that happened is that a gate agent during our stop in London took pity on us and gave us a free upgrade to Economy Plus for that leg of the flight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>United isn&#8217;t the only one who offers no sympathy&#8230;a similar thing happened to me with American. My boyfriend (now husband) and I booked two tickets to India with a departure the day after Christmas 07. </p>
<p>My father passed suddenly on Christmas Eve, and we delayed our trip to be with family, make funeral arrangements and burry my dad. I spent a good part of the day Christmas Eve and many hours on days afterwards on the phone trying to work out something with American where we wouldn&#8217;t be hit with the $1400+ dollar extra costs they were insisting on to change our tickets. No matter how high up the chain I went, the best I was offerred was as waive of the change fee.. I was told no matter what that I&#8217;d have to pay the new ticket price, which was very high because it was no longer a 30- or even 14 day advance purchase. I had to fax the death certificate just to get that.  I paid an additional $1400 in the end and got little sympathy or interest in helping me during a time that was very traumatic. The bottom line is that we got fleeced and the airline profited off of my father&#8217;s death. I find that abhorrent. </p>
<p>The one good thing that happened is that a gate agent during our stop in London took pity on us and gave us a free upgrade to Economy Plus for that leg of the flight.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Chase</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Bill Bell

I don&#039;t see what your comment has to do with this story. Why include your telephone number in your post? I can&#039;t help but wonder if you are looking for a way to advertise your business?</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t see what your comment has to do with this story. Why include your telephone number in your post? I can&#8217;t help but wonder if you are looking for a way to advertise your business?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been threatened with arrest at Logan Airport for helping save customers money with parking. I have the only real valet parking service, by reservation only for people flying out of Logan. A couple of state troopers all of a sudden have taken the  position that I am trespassing waiting on the sidewalk for a customer who requested my service. Must be that their overtime will be abolished if Massport loses a few dollars from my customers who basically hate parking at the airport.There are trespassing laws in Mass and my lawyer tells me if they arrest me I will win in court and win damages. Can&#039;t wait to get aressted for helping the elderly, the handicapped, and young parents with kids. sincere,ly  Bill Bell  781-289-4200</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been threatened with arrest at Logan Airport for helping save customers money with parking. I have the only real valet parking service, by reservation only for people flying out of Logan. A couple of state troopers all of a sudden have taken the  position that I am trespassing waiting on the sidewalk for a customer who requested my service. Must be that their overtime will be abolished if Massport loses a few dollars from my customers who basically hate parking at the airport.There are trespassing laws in Mass and my lawyer tells me if they arrest me I will win in court and win damages. Can&#8217;t wait to get aressted for helping the elderly, the handicapped, and young parents with kids. sincere,ly  Bill Bell  781-289-4200</p>
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		<title>By: Mort B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mort B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t agree with Preston McKinney&#039;s comment that travel insurance was almost a necessity.  Sure, there are instances when the unexpected might not be set right by an airline, hotel or cruise line, but a death in the family should be a case for compassion and not insurance.  &#039;Nuf said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t agree with Preston McKinney&#8217;s comment that travel insurance was almost a necessity.  Sure, there are instances when the unexpected might not be set right by an airline, hotel or cruise line, but a death in the family should be a case for compassion and not insurance.  &#8216;Nuf said.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston McKinney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preston McKinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, it is likely that the airline ticket or package was purchased either online or directly with United without the services of a professional travel agent who would have strongly suggested that the client purchase travel insurance protection especially when booking a honeymoon.  The money would have been refunded due a death in the family and there would not been a problem created.</description>
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