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	<title>Comments on: Nine months to wait for a refund? You&#8217;ve gotta be kidding</title>
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		<title>By: Lynn Wieser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Wieser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our family vacation was set 19 months ago to Turks and Caicos.  A hurricane hit the island, resort and airport was closed.  Beaches gave us a full refund.  However,American Airlines will not/refuses to refund $5100.  I bought the tickets thru American Express Travel who also accepts no responsibility.  We were given airline  vouchers.  We all work except for the 6 and 9 year old. We need to work. Two relatives from California lost $1600 from Delta Airlines.  Two relatives traveled somewhere else.  Seven of us, in Phoenix were dumb and bought NO insurance.  I&#039;ve learned but I still want the money back.  Are there any avenues I could follow?  American Airlines has &quot;used&quot; our monies for 19 months.  Anyone have a suggestion or another way to be successful and get our money back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our family vacation was set 19 months ago to Turks and Caicos.  A hurricane hit the island, resort and airport was closed.  Beaches gave us a full refund.  However,American Airlines will not/refuses to refund $5100.  I bought the tickets thru American Express Travel who also accepts no responsibility.  We were given airline  vouchers.  We all work except for the 6 and 9 year old. We need to work. Two relatives from California lost $1600 from Delta Airlines.  Two relatives traveled somewhere else.  Seven of us, in Phoenix were dumb and bought NO insurance.  I&#8217;ve learned but I still want the money back.  Are there any avenues I could follow?  American Airlines has &#8220;used&#8221; our monies for 19 months.  Anyone have a suggestion or another way to be successful and get our money back?</p>
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		<title>By: barbie45</title>
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		<dc:creator>barbie45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carver,Thank you again for your legal expertise. Your posts are always well received.  You refrain from emotionaloutbursts and name bashing,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carver,Thank you again for your legal expertise. Your posts are always well received.  You refrain from emotionaloutbursts and name bashing,</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a better way to understand it, Carver. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a better way to understand it, Carver. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 02:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David and Anna

Thinking of this transaction as a reseller/wholeseller will only muddy the point.  This is more akin to an agent/principle relationship (Hence the name travel AGENT)

Expedia is acting on behalf of the travel provider.  Expedia doesn&#039;t independently set prices or policies or anything.  Its like when you buy a house.  If something goes wrong, the real estate agent doesn&#039;t refund you the money then works it out with the other side.  

By comparison, if Expedia were a consolidator, i.e. where it actually bought the ticket for itself then resold the ticket such as Hotwire or Priceline, then you would be dealing directly with them, not the travel provider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David and Anna</p>
<p>Thinking of this transaction as a reseller/wholeseller will only muddy the point.  This is more akin to an agent/principle relationship (Hence the name travel AGENT)</p>
<p>Expedia is acting on behalf of the travel provider.  Expedia doesn&#8217;t independently set prices or policies or anything.  Its like when you buy a house.  If something goes wrong, the real estate agent doesn&#8217;t refund you the money then works it out with the other side.  </p>
<p>By comparison, if Expedia were a consolidator, i.e. where it actually bought the ticket for itself then resold the ticket such as Hotwire or Priceline, then you would be dealing directly with them, not the travel provider.</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If this is true, then why are the customers still dealing with Expedia instead of dealing with the airline directly? This doesn’t make complete sense.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Generally speaking, contracts or legal agreements between a business and their affiliate or reseller would &quot;force&quot; the former to refer the latter&#039;s customers to them. If the business &quot;helps&quot; the customer like, say, take over their product concerns, the reseller or affiliate might &quot;accuse&quot; them of &quot;stealing their business&quot; and &quot;breach of contract&quot; unless the terms indicate such.

I&#039;ve noticed that for some businesses, their point of view (POV) is to let their affiliate or reseller take care of certain issues. Sure the business can handle it, but only if they choose to.

One can argue that how Expedia does business with Scandinavian shouldn&#039;t be relevant. Unfortunately Expedia, or some companies for that matter, doesn&#039;t always have the luxury of arguing something with its partner or so.

How to force the issue, you got me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If this is true, then why are the customers still dealing with Expedia instead of dealing with the airline directly? This doesn’t make complete sense.</p></blockquote>
<p>Generally speaking, contracts or legal agreements between a business and their affiliate or reseller would &#8220;force&#8221; the former to refer the latter&#8217;s customers to them. If the business &#8220;helps&#8221; the customer like, say, take over their product concerns, the reseller or affiliate might &#8220;accuse&#8221; them of &#8220;stealing their business&#8221; and &#8220;breach of contract&#8221; unless the terms indicate such.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that for some businesses, their point of view (POV) is to let their affiliate or reseller take care of certain issues. Sure the business can handle it, but only if they choose to.</p>
<p>One can argue that how Expedia does business with Scandinavian shouldn&#8217;t be relevant. Unfortunately Expedia, or some companies for that matter, doesn&#8217;t always have the luxury of arguing something with its partner or so.</p>
<p>How to force the issue, you got me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the article: &quot;To be completely fair, this isn’t just Expedia’s fault (some of the credit goes to Scandinavian, too)...&quot;.

Disagree. The customer booked with Expedia, not with Scandinavian, and how Expedia does business with Scandinavian should be irrelevant to the customer.  

But why did Expedia get involved in this in the first place? 

From the article: &quot;...we were told that this penalty fee can be requested back from the airline...&quot;.

If this is true, then why are the customers still dealing with Expedia instead of dealing with the airline directly? This doesn&#039;t make complete sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the article: &#8220;To be completely fair, this isn’t just Expedia’s fault (some of the credit goes to Scandinavian, too)&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>Disagree. The customer booked with Expedia, not with Scandinavian, and how Expedia does business with Scandinavian should be irrelevant to the customer.  </p>
<p>But why did Expedia get involved in this in the first place? </p>
<p>From the article: &#8220;&#8230;we were told that this penalty fee can be requested back from the airline&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>If this is true, then why are the customers still dealing with Expedia instead of dealing with the airline directly? This doesn&#8217;t make complete sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Preston

First,  Its Carver not Carter

Second,  while the sister&#039;s death is a covered event, the OP still needs to be mindful that there may be other caveats with a Travel Insurance policy.

Thirds,  most policies cover only 75% of the costs. So if the OP spent more than $1200, then the policy wouldn&#039;t have given him the $300 in dispute

Fourth,  calling the OP cheap and not bright is still a cold hearted thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Preston</p>
<p>First,  Its Carver not Carter</p>
<p>Second,  while the sister&#8217;s death is a covered event, the OP still needs to be mindful that there may be other caveats with a Travel Insurance policy.</p>
<p>Thirds,  most policies cover only 75% of the costs. So if the OP spent more than $1200, then the policy wouldn&#8217;t have given him the $300 in dispute</p>
<p>Fourth,  calling the OP cheap and not bright is still a cold hearted thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wayne

I think Chris was saying that whoever was holding onto the money would be the one who would be responsible for any interest, penalties, etc.

So if you paid Expedia for an airline ticket it would be the airline who would have to pay interest if the refund was delayed, unless the airline sent a timely refund to Expedia. In which case, Expedia would then have to timely send a refund to the customer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wayne</p>
<p>I think Chris was saying that whoever was holding onto the money would be the one who would be responsible for any interest, penalties, etc.</p>
<p>So if you paid Expedia for an airline ticket it would be the airline who would have to pay interest if the refund was delayed, unless the airline sent a timely refund to Expedia. In which case, Expedia would then have to timely send a refund to the customer.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Preston

First its  Carver, not Carter.

Second, the point remains that although the death of the family member is covered, it doesn&#039;t mean that there aren&#039;t other restrictions in effect that must be considered.  As an attorney, I read contracts daily and I see loopholds all the time.

Third, many policies only cover 75 percent of the cost.  So if the OP paid over $1200 for the trip, travel insurance would NOT have gotten her the $300 in question.

Fourth,  insulting the OP under these circumstances remains hard hearted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Preston</p>
<p>First its  Carver, not Carter.</p>
<p>Second, the point remains that although the death of the family member is covered, it doesn&#8217;t mean that there aren&#8217;t other restrictions in effect that must be considered.  As an attorney, I read contracts daily and I see loopholds all the time.</p>
<p>Third, many policies only cover 75 percent of the cost.  So if the OP paid over $1200 for the trip, travel insurance would NOT have gotten her the $300 in question.</p>
<p>Fourth,  insulting the OP under these circumstances remains hard hearted.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nine months? When Varig bankrupt I waited more than a year to get the refund for my ticket...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nine months? When Varig bankrupt I waited more than a year to get the refund for my ticket&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John R. Strohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>John R. Strohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Les: There is a reason why Registered Mail service exists.  Registered Mail CANNOT get lost.  It is traceable, and an audit trail recorded, at EVERY step, to the point where it was delivered to the recipient.

I&#039;ve admittedly never tried to do Registered Mail to a foreign address.  I&#039;ve had to do a fair amount of it in the US.  You know your life is getting complicated when you find yourself doing Registered Mail more than once or twice a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Les: There is a reason why Registered Mail service exists.  Registered Mail CANNOT get lost.  It is traceable, and an audit trail recorded, at EVERY step, to the point where it was delivered to the recipient.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve admittedly never tried to do Registered Mail to a foreign address.  I&#8217;ve had to do a fair amount of it in the US.  You know your life is getting complicated when you find yourself doing Registered Mail more than once or twice a year.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait.. so because the airline stonewalled on refunding the $300 penalty, you think the online travel company should have somehow refunded it for them?  

And then you go further and state that TRAVEL COMPANIES should be fined if the airlines choose not to refund the money back to the customer within 30 days?

&quot;What if there were a law that said travel companies had to pay interest on customers’ money they held for more than 30 days?&quot;

I enjoy your columns but I must ask:  Have you started on the egg nog early this year?  The AIRLINE held the money, not Expedia.

(no I don&#039;t work for Expedia and have had my own share of problems with them, but this just seems ridiculous)

Why should the Travel Company be fined for the airline&#039;s slow refund process?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait.. so because the airline stonewalled on refunding the $300 penalty, you think the online travel company should have somehow refunded it for them?  </p>
<p>And then you go further and state that TRAVEL COMPANIES should be fined if the airlines choose not to refund the money back to the customer within 30 days?</p>
<p>&#8220;What if there were a law that said travel companies had to pay interest on customers’ money they held for more than 30 days?&#8221;</p>
<p>I enjoy your columns but I must ask:  Have you started on the egg nog early this year?  The AIRLINE held the money, not Expedia.</p>
<p>(no I don&#8217;t work for Expedia and have had my own share of problems with them, but this just seems ridiculous)</p>
<p>Why should the Travel Company be fined for the airline&#8217;s slow refund process?</p>
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		<title>By: Preston McKinney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preston McKinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ref to Carter - Please refer to the subject matter where it states that the wife&#039;s sister died.  This is referred to as &quot;sickness, injury, hospitalization or death of you, a family member, traveling companion, etc.

Family member means your or a traveling campanion spouse, domestic partner, child, spourse&#039;s child, daugter-in-law, son-in-law, brother, sister, mother, father, step parents or step sister/brother, aunt, uncle, niece, nephew, legal guardian, caregiver, legal ward, or domestic partner of any of the above.

All good travel insurance policies sold by travel agents generally carry the same wording.  It is best to know what you are talking about before responding to something in error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ref to Carter &#8211; Please refer to the subject matter where it states that the wife&#8217;s sister died.  This is referred to as &#8220;sickness, injury, hospitalization or death of you, a family member, traveling companion, etc.</p>
<p>Family member means your or a traveling campanion spouse, domestic partner, child, spourse&#8217;s child, daugter-in-law, son-in-law, brother, sister, mother, father, step parents or step sister/brother, aunt, uncle, niece, nephew, legal guardian, caregiver, legal ward, or domestic partner of any of the above.</p>
<p>All good travel insurance policies sold by travel agents generally carry the same wording.  It is best to know what you are talking about before responding to something in error.</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin Perton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marvin Perton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently had to abort a cruise aboard Royal Caribbean&#039;s Liberty of the Seas due the my brother&#039;s death. I had insurance and they said that they would reimburse me for the unused days of my cruise. I did not insure the cost of the port and government taxes because I had believed that these monies would be refunded in such a case as mine. When I asked Royal Caribbean to refund the unused portion of the taxes, they informed me that, since they had already paid these taxes to the various port authorities and the government, I could not get a refund.  I am also a travel agent.

I would appreciate your letting me know if their reply is a valid one.My booking number is 2101328. Thank you.

Marvin Perton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently had to abort a cruise aboard Royal Caribbean&#8217;s Liberty of the Seas due the my brother&#8217;s death. I had insurance and they said that they would reimburse me for the unused days of my cruise. I did not insure the cost of the port and government taxes because I had believed that these monies would be refunded in such a case as mine. When I asked Royal Caribbean to refund the unused portion of the taxes, they informed me that, since they had already paid these taxes to the various port authorities and the government, I could not get a refund.  I am also a travel agent.</p>
<p>I would appreciate your letting me know if their reply is a valid one.My booking number is 2101328. Thank you.</p>
<p>Marvin Perton</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Charlie has it right. The telling part of this mess is the denial on the part of the carrier that they received Seppala&#039;s documentation - several times. If they stonewall enough the claimant will go away ... probably.

Kudos to Seppala and to Chris Elliott for holding their feet to the fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Charlie has it right. The telling part of this mess is the denial on the part of the carrier that they received Seppala&#8217;s documentation &#8211; several times. If they stonewall enough the claimant will go away &#8230; probably.</p>
<p>Kudos to Seppala and to Chris Elliott for holding their feet to the fire.</p>
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