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	<title>Comments on: Luggage fee fail! Codeshare screw-up results in accidental overcharge</title>
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		<title>By: jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/luggage-fee-fail-codeshare-screw-up-results-in-accidental-overcharge/comment-page-1/#comment-25560</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I booked a flight with my sister to India from the US with my miles. She flew from the USA with two bags, and to India with Air France with two bags. On the way home she stopped in Rome for two weeks. Since she stopped in Rome, Air Farce (oops France) charged her for the second bag. 43 kilos equaled 973.44 US dollars.  I went online and a seat on Air France was only 817 dollars. They let her fly there with two bags, and then told her she was only allowed one to leave with. Is there anyway we can get some justice. I welcome some help.
  Thanx,
Jimmy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I booked a flight with my sister to India from the US with my miles. She flew from the USA with two bags, and to India with Air France with two bags. On the way home she stopped in Rome for two weeks. Since she stopped in Rome, Air Farce (oops France) charged her for the second bag. 43 kilos equaled 973.44 US dollars.  I went online and a seat on Air France was only 817 dollars. They let her fly there with two bags, and then told her she was only allowed one to leave with. Is there anyway we can get some justice. I welcome some help.<br />
  Thanx,<br />
Jimmy</p>
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		<title>By: PZ3</title>
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		<dc:creator>PZ3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to update - my mom got her $50 back. On October 7! After the above transpired, I had to call back several times and repeatedly urge them to complete the refund. Delta should have never charged her in the first place.

RE: Scott&#039;s comment. If you see above, she DID call Delta, on Air France&#039;s advice. It&#039;s obviously *not* simple - they said it &quot;shouldn&#039;t be a problem&quot; which I now realize (silly me) is not saying that it&#039;s NOT a problem. AND, what Chris didn&#039;t include in the article was that the Delta check-in agent said, rather rudely, when my mom told him she had phoned with this exact question, was that &quot;there was no record of your call.&quot; As if anyone working any gate anywhere fields any customer calls.

Bottom line, I think the traveler should be bound by the contract of carriage of the airline or rules of website where the ticket is purchased. I purchased this ticket on Air France&#039;s website. I don&#039;t care if they put me on Air Saturn, I should be bound only to the rules of the ticketing airline. In regards to the guy who was saying how he got put onto American - tough situation, but Delta should have an agreement or absorb the baggage for their premiere customers.

This could all be alleviated by airlines having the gumption to sell &quot;bundled&quot; tickets, rather than nickle and diming us to death for basic services.

Again, thanks to Chris for his help.

P.S. Southwest is my carrier of choice. The one recent time I needed to bring something to their attention, I received a personal phone call from a customer service manager within 48 hours, plus $100 travel voucher. Too bad they don&#039;t fly to France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to update &#8211; my mom got her $50 back. On October 7! After the above transpired, I had to call back several times and repeatedly urge them to complete the refund. Delta should have never charged her in the first place.</p>
<p>RE: Scott&#8217;s comment. If you see above, she DID call Delta, on Air France&#8217;s advice. It&#8217;s obviously *not* simple &#8211; they said it &#8220;shouldn&#8217;t be a problem&#8221; which I now realize (silly me) is not saying that it&#8217;s NOT a problem. AND, what Chris didn&#8217;t include in the article was that the Delta check-in agent said, rather rudely, when my mom told him she had phoned with this exact question, was that &#8220;there was no record of your call.&#8221; As if anyone working any gate anywhere fields any customer calls.</p>
<p>Bottom line, I think the traveler should be bound by the contract of carriage of the airline or rules of website where the ticket is purchased. I purchased this ticket on Air France&#8217;s website. I don&#8217;t care if they put me on Air Saturn, I should be bound only to the rules of the ticketing airline. In regards to the guy who was saying how he got put onto American &#8211; tough situation, but Delta should have an agreement or absorb the baggage for their premiere customers.</p>
<p>This could all be alleviated by airlines having the gumption to sell &#8220;bundled&#8221; tickets, rather than nickle and diming us to death for basic services.</p>
<p>Again, thanks to Chris for his help.</p>
<p>P.S. Southwest is my carrier of choice. The one recent time I needed to bring something to their attention, I received a personal phone call from a customer service manager within 48 hours, plus $100 travel voucher. Too bad they don&#8217;t fly to France.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently booked tickets from DLH to CPH.  First I went to delta.com and it was very hard to find flights using miles and they were going to charge me $25 I think it was for each flight on KLM for the AMS-CPH CPH-AMS portion since it was on a code share airline. WTH? So I moved miles back to NWA.com and got better flight times/connections and no extra fee to fly KLM in Europe.  This Delta merger&#039;s gonna suck bad...just wait.  Oh looking for tickets in Oct DLH to SFO.  Delta has me flying DLH to DTW, to MSP to SFO. Uh, no...again miles back to NWA and got DLH to MSP to SFO. Lord...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently booked tickets from DLH to CPH.  First I went to delta.com and it was very hard to find flights using miles and they were going to charge me $25 I think it was for each flight on KLM for the AMS-CPH CPH-AMS portion since it was on a code share airline. WTH? So I moved miles back to NWA.com and got better flight times/connections and no extra fee to fly KLM in Europe.  This Delta merger&#8217;s gonna suck bad&#8230;just wait.  Oh looking for tickets in Oct DLH to SFO.  Delta has me flying DLH to DTW, to MSP to SFO. Uh, no&#8230;again miles back to NWA and got DLH to MSP to SFO. Lord&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/luggage-fee-fail-codeshare-screw-up-results-in-accidental-overcharge/comment-page-1/#comment-23472</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott said: &quot;The initial carrier on a leg is the carrier whose baggage fees apply for that part of the journey. Whoever you are supposed to check in with, call them. It’s that simple.&quot;
I thought that was a lot of the original problem, getting information on a phone call (who may say what you want to hear to get you off the line because of timed performance requirements from management) and what actually happens at the airport where you have a hard choice pay or not fly, and lose money on the fare.

So I book through Orbitz that has me connect both ways on a different airline.  Who gets how much for my checked bag each way to my final destination?

Here lies Fast-Gun Eddie
RIP
Nobody was faster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott said: &#8220;The initial carrier on a leg is the carrier whose baggage fees apply for that part of the journey. Whoever you are supposed to check in with, call them. It’s that simple.&#8221;<br />
I thought that was a lot of the original problem, getting information on a phone call (who may say what you want to hear to get you off the line because of timed performance requirements from management) and what actually happens at the airport where you have a hard choice pay or not fly, and lose money on the fare.</p>
<p>So I book through Orbitz that has me connect both ways on a different airline.  Who gets how much for my checked bag each way to my final destination?</p>
<p>Here lies Fast-Gun Eddie<br />
RIP<br />
Nobody was faster</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can definitely agree with Chris that Delta does not read the e-mails they are sent, at least not beyond the subject or first sentence.  I have several times in the past received form and non-form messages from Delta &quot;addressing&quot; my concern which had nothing to do with my original e-mail.  The system worked however as I no longer contact Delta with suggestions or complaints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can definitely agree with Chris that Delta does not read the e-mails they are sent, at least not beyond the subject or first sentence.  I have several times in the past received form and non-form messages from Delta &#8220;addressing&#8221; my concern which had nothing to do with my original e-mail.  The system worked however as I no longer contact Delta with suggestions or complaints.</p>
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		<title>By: William Rowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Rowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A twist on this theme, I&#039;m a Million Miler/Platinum Skymiles member. Last year I had a flight booked from Bloomington, IL - Baton Rouge on Delta.  When I arrived at BMI, I was immediately that due to ATL weather delays, I MIGHT miss my connection there and so Delta was transferring me AA for a connection thru Chicago, Wasn&#039;t that sweet of them!

Problem #1 - I travel with 3 checked bags, 2 of which are over 50 lbs.  As a PM with Delta, (at that time) I could check 3 at 70lbs for no fee.  AA?  $180....Period.....end of discussion..... I asked both the AA and Delta ticket agents for a little compassion, after all, I booked my flight on Delta, DELTA moved me to AA.  Nope, it&#039;s a RULE and we all know, RULES IS RULES!!!

Problem #2 - Short version, 4 hours and 20 min on the plane, sitting 75 feet from the departure gate on an ERJ (ie baby jungle jet) with no refreshments stocked (heck, it&#039;s on BMI-ORD, why put ice onboard?).  Watched my Delta 1st Class seat arrive and depart (about 20 min late) and arrival at ORD at 2am (oh, yeah, up till about midnight we kept getting the speech &quot;All flights are delayed in &amp; out of O&#039;Hare right now, so your connections should be OK&quot; !!!!!!!)

I was so mad about Problem #2 that I forgot about problem #1 until I read this article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A twist on this theme, I&#8217;m a Million Miler/Platinum Skymiles member. Last year I had a flight booked from Bloomington, IL &#8211; Baton Rouge on Delta.  When I arrived at BMI, I was immediately that due to ATL weather delays, I MIGHT miss my connection there and so Delta was transferring me AA for a connection thru Chicago, Wasn&#8217;t that sweet of them!</p>
<p>Problem #1 &#8211; I travel with 3 checked bags, 2 of which are over 50 lbs.  As a PM with Delta, (at that time) I could check 3 at 70lbs for no fee.  AA?  $180&#8230;.Period&#8230;..end of discussion&#8230;.. I asked both the AA and Delta ticket agents for a little compassion, after all, I booked my flight on Delta, DELTA moved me to AA.  Nope, it&#8217;s a RULE and we all know, RULES IS RULES!!!</p>
<p>Problem #2 &#8211; Short version, 4 hours and 20 min on the plane, sitting 75 feet from the departure gate on an ERJ (ie baby jungle jet) with no refreshments stocked (heck, it&#8217;s on BMI-ORD, why put ice onboard?).  Watched my Delta 1st Class seat arrive and depart (about 20 min late) and arrival at ORD at 2am (oh, yeah, up till about midnight we kept getting the speech &#8220;All flights are delayed in &amp; out of O&#8217;Hare right now, so your connections should be OK&#8221; !!!!!!!)</p>
<p>I was so mad about Problem #2 that I forgot about problem #1 until I read this article!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ames,

Better yet, how about a video. United steals the clothes off my back video?  Could be a funny parody of them pilfering through your luggage.  If you make millions just give me a cut =).

Justin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ames,</p>
<p>Better yet, how about a video. United steals the clothes off my back video?  Could be a funny parody of them pilfering through your luggage.  If you make millions just give me a cut =).</p>
<p>Justin</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/luggage-fee-fail-codeshare-screw-up-results-in-accidental-overcharge/comment-page-1/#comment-23450</link>
		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What’s going on here? Zapaolo believes it’s “a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.” And I agree.&quot;

I think it is worse than that. I don&#039;t think any of these respnses from Delta actually addresses the situation at hand. They obviously didn&#039;t read the customer&#039;s complaint at all.  The answers were just nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What’s going on here? Zapaolo believes it’s “a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.” And I agree.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it is worse than that. I don&#8217;t think any of these respnses from Delta actually addresses the situation at hand. They obviously didn&#8217;t read the customer&#8217;s complaint at all.  The answers were just nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/luggage-fee-fail-codeshare-screw-up-results-in-accidental-overcharge/comment-page-1/#comment-23443</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The information about the marketing carrier is incorrect.  Since any major carrier can sell tickets on each other, you can have a dozen different &quot;ticketed carriers&quot; on one flight.  Baggage rules are confusing enough, but to imply that check-in agents should know rules of each and every carrier that *might* have sold a ticket on that flight is pretty ludicrous.

The initial carrier on a leg is the carrier whose baggage fees apply for that part of the journey.  Whoever you are supposed to check in with, call them.  It&#039;s that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The information about the marketing carrier is incorrect.  Since any major carrier can sell tickets on each other, you can have a dozen different &#8220;ticketed carriers&#8221; on one flight.  Baggage rules are confusing enough, but to imply that check-in agents should know rules of each and every carrier that *might* have sold a ticket on that flight is pretty ludicrous.</p>
<p>The initial carrier on a leg is the carrier whose baggage fees apply for that part of the journey.  Whoever you are supposed to check in with, call them.  It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/luggage-fee-fail-codeshare-screw-up-results-in-accidental-overcharge/comment-page-1/#comment-23440</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A travel professional (like me!) would have recognized the flight numbers and/or routings as being codeshares and would have been familiar with policies surrounding them.  That being said, the websites and the airlines must be more forthcoming about codeshares and fees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A travel professional (like me!) would have recognized the flight numbers and/or routings as being codeshares and would have been familiar with policies surrounding them.  That being said, the websites and the airlines must be more forthcoming about codeshares and fees.</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There are absolutely no benefits to any traveler from code-sharing&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve seen a few codeshare flights priced lower than none-codeshare ones on certain routes.

I&#039;ll make a naive (and probably wrong) guess that that Delta Airlines supervisor or whoever probably thought that baggage fee should be charged regardless of who&#039;s the marketing carrier. Kudos to Delta if they indeed refund that after all the trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There are absolutely no benefits to any traveler from code-sharing</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen a few codeshare flights priced lower than none-codeshare ones on certain routes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll make a naive (and probably wrong) guess that that Delta Airlines supervisor or whoever probably thought that baggage fee should be charged regardless of who&#8217;s the marketing carrier. Kudos to Delta if they indeed refund that after all the trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ani  Great Idea!  I can refocus the energy into something useful. Thanks!  

@ Wayne Dayton   It is my understanding that non-US airlines cannot fly between US cities so in order to offer flights from more cities, they must align with a US carrier.  The international leg of my flight left from Washington, DC.  I could have gotten myself there on another airline but if it were late and I missed the connection, I would have no recourse but to lose an expensive ticket.  I also could through check my luggage (although this tume at greater expense than I think reasonable).  I had one ticket, so theoretically one responsible airline.  I chose a four hour layover in Washington, rather than a two hour which was also available because with a trip this long and important, I was leaving as little to chance as I could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ani  Great Idea!  I can refocus the energy into something useful. Thanks!  </p>
<p>@ Wayne Dayton   It is my understanding that non-US airlines cannot fly between US cities so in order to offer flights from more cities, they must align with a US carrier.  The international leg of my flight left from Washington, DC.  I could have gotten myself there on another airline but if it were late and I missed the connection, I would have no recourse but to lose an expensive ticket.  I also could through check my luggage (although this tume at greater expense than I think reasonable).  I had one ticket, so theoretically one responsible airline.  I chose a four hour layover in Washington, rather than a two hour which was also available because with a trip this long and important, I was leaving as little to chance as I could.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John: &lt;i&gt;What are the rules on baggage fee refunds in the case of lost or late bags?&lt;/i&gt;

You can see those rules printed in the left column of this page, next to your answer. See that big white empty space? Yep, those are the rules. None and void.

You paid you get your luggage on board. Not to get it off, and in one piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John: <i>What are the rules on baggage fee refunds in the case of lost or late bags?</i></p>
<p>You can see those rules printed in the left column of this page, next to your answer. See that big white empty space? Yep, those are the rules. None and void.</p>
<p>You paid you get your luggage on board. Not to get it off, and in one piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Dayton</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/luggage-fee-fail-codeshare-screw-up-results-in-accidental-overcharge/comment-page-1/#comment-23429</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Dayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is another clear case that the government should completely ban code-sharing as a scam perpetrated on consumers.  There are absolutely no benefits to any traveler from code-sharing, it only benefits the the airlines as they can pull out of markets.  Interlining achieves the same goals, but is harder for them to fleece the consumer with.  This is why the overpaid political hacks at the DOT feel that providing SkyTeam with anti-trust immunity BENEFITS the traveler...so they can have disparate policies and then blame each other for the &quot;misunderstanding&quot;???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is another clear case that the government should completely ban code-sharing as a scam perpetrated on consumers.  There are absolutely no benefits to any traveler from code-sharing, it only benefits the the airlines as they can pull out of markets.  Interlining achieves the same goals, but is harder for them to fleece the consumer with.  This is why the overpaid political hacks at the DOT feel that providing SkyTeam with anti-trust immunity BENEFITS the traveler&#8230;so they can have disparate policies and then blame each other for the &#8220;misunderstanding&#8221;???</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ames, have you seen the video, Unite Breaks Guitars?  You can add to that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ames, have you seen the video, Unite Breaks Guitars?  You can add to that!</p>
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