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		<title>By: Eaudedesir</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/lost-in-translation-airline-cancels-reservation-but-charges-passenger-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-79703</link>
		<dc:creator>Eaudedesir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 11:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Air Berlin are scammers - they charge horrendous amount of money even if you cancel booking well in advance - they charge the price of the ticket plus 10 Euros! That is a scam and bright day robbery!!!
Avoid Air Berlin like a plaque!!!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Air Berlin are scammers &#8211; they charge horrendous amount of money even if you cancel booking well in advance &#8211; they charge the price of the ticket plus 10 Euros! That is a scam and bright day robbery!!!<br />
Avoid Air Berlin like a plaque!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brr Petrovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brr Petrovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the exact same situation. I wonder how the things turned out for Mrs Salvadore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the exact same situation. I wonder how the things turned out for Mrs Salvadore?</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Dungdang, a failed credit card transaction means no binding agreement between two parties and the traveler should not be charged. 

I also agree with Jennifer...

Keep in mind when the consumer  purchase goods through the internet it is the consumers responsibility to ensure they have read and understood the terms and conditions placed by the company for the consumer to review prior to purchasing. The Airlines are no diferent. The responsibility lies on the consumer who failed to read. I would say 95% of us do not read these regulation, we simply click on &quot;accept&quot; and continue with the purchase. Then we complain, when we things like this occurs. It was her responsibility. We are all very well aware that every company has rules and regulations still we do not want to take responsibility for not reading them. 

How many credit card regulatuions have you read prior to applying and finding out that the APR after 90 days has gone up to 21%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dungdang, a failed credit card transaction means no binding agreement between two parties and the traveler should not be charged. </p>
<p>I also agree with Jennifer&#8230;</p>
<p>Keep in mind when the consumer  purchase goods through the internet it is the consumers responsibility to ensure they have read and understood the terms and conditions placed by the company for the consumer to review prior to purchasing. The Airlines are no diferent. The responsibility lies on the consumer who failed to read. I would say 95% of us do not read these regulation, we simply click on &#8220;accept&#8221; and continue with the purchase. Then we complain, when we things like this occurs. It was her responsibility. We are all very well aware that every company has rules and regulations still we do not want to take responsibility for not reading them. </p>
<p>How many credit card regulatuions have you read prior to applying and finding out that the APR after 90 days has gone up to 21%.</p>
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		<title>By: Dungdang</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/lost-in-translation-airline-cancels-reservation-but-charges-passenger-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-17882</link>
		<dc:creator>Dungdang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, whatever the airline says, a failed credit card transaction means no binding agreement between two parties. 

As I have lived in Germany, I have experienced with threatening letters from companies for services not rendered. Just ignoring them (even living there) never caused any trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, whatever the airline says, a failed credit card transaction means no binding agreement between two parties. </p>
<p>As I have lived in Germany, I have experienced with threatening letters from companies for services not rendered. Just ignoring them (even living there) never caused any trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would note that the airline policy requires them to deduct any amount that they received if they sold her seat on the plane.  I wonder if the flight was full.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would note that the airline policy requires them to deduct any amount that they received if they sold her seat on the plane.  I wonder if the flight was full.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/lost-in-translation-airline-cancels-reservation-but-charges-passenger-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-17595</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes the spam doesn&#039;t even get to your spam folder.  It just goes into the ether.  (And not EVERY woman carries a purse, by the way.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes the spam doesn&#8217;t even get to your spam folder.  It just goes into the ether.  (And not EVERY woman carries a purse, by the way.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer (the other one)</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/lost-in-translation-airline-cancels-reservation-but-charges-passenger-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-17543</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer (the other one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walk-up fares are almost always higher than advance reservations.  I don&#039;t think the ticket agents at the airport have the authority to lower the prices given to them by the airline.  They can sell a ticket at the walk-up fare, or not sell it.  Most airlines don&#039;t give any kind of refund if a ticket is changed or cancelled 24 hours or less before departure.  Whether it&#039;s fair or not is beside the point - it&#039;s well-known standard industry practice.

Her credit card was rejected, probably because it was either over the limit or she didn&#039;t tell the credit card company she was travelling internationally.  That&#039;s her responsibility.  They emailed her, and she didn&#039;t check her spam folder.  That&#039;s also her responsibility.  I&#039;ve never bought anything online (even a t-shirt!) and not checked my spam folder for relevant messages from the seller.  If she&#039;s that clueless about email, she shouldn&#039;t have been booking tickets online.  There are other ways to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walk-up fares are almost always higher than advance reservations.  I don&#8217;t think the ticket agents at the airport have the authority to lower the prices given to them by the airline.  They can sell a ticket at the walk-up fare, or not sell it.  Most airlines don&#8217;t give any kind of refund if a ticket is changed or cancelled 24 hours or less before departure.  Whether it&#8217;s fair or not is beside the point &#8211; it&#8217;s well-known standard industry practice.</p>
<p>Her credit card was rejected, probably because it was either over the limit or she didn&#8217;t tell the credit card company she was travelling internationally.  That&#8217;s her responsibility.  They emailed her, and she didn&#8217;t check her spam folder.  That&#8217;s also her responsibility.  I&#8217;ve never bought anything online (even a t-shirt!) and not checked my spam folder for relevant messages from the seller.  If she&#8217;s that clueless about email, she shouldn&#8217;t have been booking tickets online.  There are other ways to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: ajayenjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajayenjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The airline had the opportunity to resell the seat -- to her when she showed up at the airport. The airline refused.

Since the airline did not offer to let her use another card on the spot, it is difficult to side with the airline.

I would suggest that she not pay the airline and await the next move by the airline if there is one. 

Of course this means she should never book with that airline until the airline comes foward and reconciles things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The airline had the opportunity to resell the seat &#8212; to her when she showed up at the airport. The airline refused.</p>
<p>Since the airline did not offer to let her use another card on the spot, it is difficult to side with the airline.</p>
<p>I would suggest that she not pay the airline and await the next move by the airline if there is one. </p>
<p>Of course this means she should never book with that airline until the airline comes foward and reconciles things.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer (the other one)</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/lost-in-translation-airline-cancels-reservation-but-charges-passenger-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-17507</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer (the other one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Air Berlin&#039;s email: &quot;If a customer cancels a flight booked one day before rsp. the day of departure, the amount of charge corresponds 100% with the price booked.&quot;

Was the flight booked only 1-2 days before the departure, so that the credit card rejection wasn&#039;t apparent until less than 24 hours before departure?  If that&#039;s what happened, I&#039;m siding with the airline - a credit card rejection is ultimately the customer&#039;s responsibility, and they didn&#039;t have the opportunity to resell the seat.  The 24-hour rule for refunds is standard industry practice.

It is strange that they didn&#039;t offer to let her use another card when they called her.  If I were her, I would have asked about it then or called back, not driven to the airport the day of the flight with my fingers crossed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Air Berlin&#8217;s email: &#8220;If a customer cancels a flight booked one day before rsp. the day of departure, the amount of charge corresponds 100% with the price booked.&#8221;</p>
<p>Was the flight booked only 1-2 days before the departure, so that the credit card rejection wasn&#8217;t apparent until less than 24 hours before departure?  If that&#8217;s what happened, I&#8217;m siding with the airline &#8211; a credit card rejection is ultimately the customer&#8217;s responsibility, and they didn&#8217;t have the opportunity to resell the seat.  The 24-hour rule for refunds is standard industry practice.</p>
<p>It is strange that they didn&#8217;t offer to let her use another card when they called her.  If I were her, I would have asked about it then or called back, not driven to the airport the day of the flight with my fingers crossed.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David Z

I&#039;m not an expert in international law by any means, but the difficulty with that scenario is that air Berlin would have to serve her in the US.  That would be necessary to get a default judgment.  International service is a b*tch.

Even if Air Berlin were to get a judgment, I have no idea how that would affect travel in Germany, or why would it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David Z</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an expert in international law by any means, but the difficulty with that scenario is that air Berlin would have to serve her in the US.  That would be necessary to get a default judgment.  International service is a b*tch.</p>
<p>Even if Air Berlin were to get a judgment, I have no idea how that would affect travel in Germany, or why would it.</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought the EU had a “passenger bill of rights” and a strong oversight group I think they need to hear from this passenger&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This one?

http://ec.europa.eu/transport/passengers/air/air_en.htm

For the resident lawyers: correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but the probable &quot;legally worst case scenario&quot; is Air Berlin sues in their home court, gets maybe a default judgment against Ms. Salvadore, and will likely enforce it on her the moment she&#039;s found in German soil, absent any &quot;agreement&quot; or &quot;treaty&quot; between Germany and the U.S. for specifically this sort of thing? Because if that&#039;s the case, then Ms. Salvadore might have future and potential difficulty travelling into Germany if she especially needs to.

Then again, that&#039;s what I&#039;ve learned from various U.S. and Europe-based lawyers. I guess we can only imagine (can&#039;t we?) what the worst case scenario would possibly be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I thought the EU had a “passenger bill of rights” and a strong oversight group I think they need to hear from this passenger</p></blockquote>
<p>This one?</p>
<p><a href="http://ec.europa.eu/transport/passengers/air/air_en.htm" rel="nofollow">http://ec.europa.eu/transport/passengers/air/air_en.htm</a></p>
<p>For the resident lawyers: correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but the probable &#8220;legally worst case scenario&#8221; is Air Berlin sues in their home court, gets maybe a default judgment against Ms. Salvadore, and will likely enforce it on her the moment she&#8217;s found in German soil, absent any &#8220;agreement&#8221; or &#8220;treaty&#8221; between Germany and the U.S. for specifically this sort of thing? Because if that&#8217;s the case, then Ms. Salvadore might have future and potential difficulty travelling into Germany if she especially needs to.</p>
<p>Then again, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve learned from various U.S. and Europe-based lawyers. I guess we can only imagine (can&#8217;t we?) what the worst case scenario would possibly be.</p>
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		<title>By: Nimby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nimby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would argue that if the tickets were never actually purchased - i.e. credit card declined - then no contract was entered into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would argue that if the tickets were never actually purchased &#8211; i.e. credit card declined &#8211; then no contract was entered into.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie, Peoria IL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie, Peoria IL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think ChelseaGirl is on the right track -- we don&#039;t know how far in advance she called to confirm her reservation, but the write-up loosely implies that it was not the same day as they flight, when she went to the airport to see IF she could use another card.

It appears to me that she did not take timely (make that immediate) action to resolve the problem once informed of the payment issue.  The airline said, &quot;Air Berlin extends the time limit in favour of the customer to initiate the payment - or via a valid credit card, alternatively via direct debit to a bank account.&quot;  So that suggests that there was time for her to resolve the matter in advance, but that she just didn&#039;t do so within the window provided by the airline.

Whether or not the airline clearly explained things, I think she opened herself up for trouble by not immediately taking steps to resolve the situation. 

In my experience, the WORST way to deal with problems is to wait and bring them up in the high-stress, time-is-money environment of an airline check-in counter.  Counter agents don&#039;t want exceptions, they want to keep people flowing to their flights without having to ask their supervisors for approvals and special allowances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think ChelseaGirl is on the right track &#8212; we don&#8217;t know how far in advance she called to confirm her reservation, but the write-up loosely implies that it was not the same day as they flight, when she went to the airport to see IF she could use another card.</p>
<p>It appears to me that she did not take timely (make that immediate) action to resolve the problem once informed of the payment issue.  The airline said, &#8220;Air Berlin extends the time limit in favour of the customer to initiate the payment &#8211; or via a valid credit card, alternatively via direct debit to a bank account.&#8221;  So that suggests that there was time for her to resolve the matter in advance, but that she just didn&#8217;t do so within the window provided by the airline.</p>
<p>Whether or not the airline clearly explained things, I think she opened herself up for trouble by not immediately taking steps to resolve the situation. </p>
<p>In my experience, the WORST way to deal with problems is to wait and bring them up in the high-stress, time-is-money environment of an airline check-in counter.  Counter agents don&#8217;t want exceptions, they want to keep people flowing to their flights without having to ask their supervisors for approvals and special allowances.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas- I work in an Embassy (not for Germany, nor in Germany) and an Embassy is not going to get involved in what it sees as a private dispute between an independent, private business and a foreign, non-resident consumer. It&#039;s not an Embassy&#039;s role to represent a foreign citizen in a business dispute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas- I work in an Embassy (not for Germany, nor in Germany) and an Embassy is not going to get involved in what it sees as a private dispute between an independent, private business and a foreign, non-resident consumer. It&#8217;s not an Embassy&#8217;s role to represent a foreign citizen in a business dispute.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Muth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Muth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s something I haven&#039;t seen mentioned: would it make sense to contact the German embassy here in the states?  Maybe they could be of assistance.  Their website is at http://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/en/01__Embassy/Washington/00/__Home.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something I haven&#8217;t seen mentioned: would it make sense to contact the German embassy here in the states?  Maybe they could be of assistance.  Their website is at <a href="http://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/en/01__Embassy/Washington/00/__Home.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/en/01__Embassy/Washington/00/__Home.html</a></p>
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