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	<title>Comments on: Lost HHonors: &#8220;Life&#8221; member stripped of Hilton elite status</title>
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		<title>By: Jackie G</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/lost-hhonors-life-member-stripped-of-hilton-elite-status/comment-page-1/#comment-30998</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a person who not only travels frequently but also an avid vacationer, I pay attention when I hear stories such as this. When I book flights or hotel stays, or consider buying vacation ownership, I always check travel sites and blogs to find out the reputation of the entity I&#039;m doling out my dollars to. If a company doesn&#039;t treat its customers fairly and courteously, then I choose not to do business with them.  Conversely, when companies go out of their way to accommodate consumers, then I remember that when I make my travel plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a person who not only travels frequently but also an avid vacationer, I pay attention when I hear stories such as this. When I book flights or hotel stays, or consider buying vacation ownership, I always check travel sites and blogs to find out the reputation of the entity I&#8217;m doling out my dollars to. If a company doesn&#8217;t treat its customers fairly and courteously, then I choose not to do business with them.  Conversely, when companies go out of their way to accommodate consumers, then I remember that when I make my travel plans.</p>
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		<title>By: Ritwik Handa</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/lost-hhonors-life-member-stripped-of-hilton-elite-status/comment-page-1/#comment-25036</link>
		<dc:creator>Ritwik Handa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is another classic example of an individual against an institution!! Companies too often hide behind convoluted T&amp;C&#039;s and random change in terms thinking that an average customer has the time and the bandwidth to &quot;comply&quot; with all the fine print. 

Why can the compaines not send out advance notices of any changes in fine print? There should be laws stating that there can not be an implicit assumption that you have read and agreed to any changes made to a contract - be it for a credit card or for loyalty programs.

I have falled victim to a similar scam by Hilton where all of my 162000+ points have been forfeited due to no activity on my HHONORS card for the past 12 months!!! I was seriously shocked when the customer service rep. told me of such during the process of me trying to avail these points for an upcoming trip! Note the amount of money we are talking here is no small potatoes - if I were to purchase these points from hilton it would cost me over $2000!!!!

What recourse do I have?!? Do I just relegate myself to a corner and sulk over it or try to seek help from industry stalwart like Chris. I know if I were to talk to the various levels of chain at Hilton, I would get a scripted answer (which I did and got the same).

These are the kind of issues one reads in harvard business cases and strategies are created to avoid such situations, but I guess theories are so far removed from the realities of the business that no matter what we think is the &quot;right&quot; thing to do for a customer and the business - people invariably continue making stupid decisions in board rooms and then blame on external factors for their downfall.

Is there a pattern to Hilton&#039;s Modus Operandi? First all of these trivial pain and suffering caused to its MOST LOYAL customers (I was a diamond vip member for over 2 years in a row)!, secondly all the unethical practices adopted by its senior leadership around new business development of the &quot;Denizen&quot; brand of hotels. If the entire management chain&#039;s philosophy is to suck the customers then an average consumer/patron like me has little to no hope in getting any reprieve from such an institution.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is another classic example of an individual against an institution!! Companies too often hide behind convoluted T&amp;C&#8217;s and random change in terms thinking that an average customer has the time and the bandwidth to &#8220;comply&#8221; with all the fine print. </p>
<p>Why can the compaines not send out advance notices of any changes in fine print? There should be laws stating that there can not be an implicit assumption that you have read and agreed to any changes made to a contract &#8211; be it for a credit card or for loyalty programs.</p>
<p>I have falled victim to a similar scam by Hilton where all of my 162000+ points have been forfeited due to no activity on my HHONORS card for the past 12 months!!! I was seriously shocked when the customer service rep. told me of such during the process of me trying to avail these points for an upcoming trip! Note the amount of money we are talking here is no small potatoes &#8211; if I were to purchase these points from hilton it would cost me over $2000!!!!</p>
<p>What recourse do I have?!? Do I just relegate myself to a corner and sulk over it or try to seek help from industry stalwart like Chris. I know if I were to talk to the various levels of chain at Hilton, I would get a scripted answer (which I did and got the same).</p>
<p>These are the kind of issues one reads in harvard business cases and strategies are created to avoid such situations, but I guess theories are so far removed from the realities of the business that no matter what we think is the &#8220;right&#8221; thing to do for a customer and the business &#8211; people invariably continue making stupid decisions in board rooms and then blame on external factors for their downfall.</p>
<p>Is there a pattern to Hilton&#8217;s Modus Operandi? First all of these trivial pain and suffering caused to its MOST LOYAL customers (I was a diamond vip member for over 2 years in a row)!, secondly all the unethical practices adopted by its senior leadership around new business development of the &#8220;Denizen&#8221; brand of hotels. If the entire management chain&#8217;s philosophy is to suck the customers then an average consumer/patron like me has little to no hope in getting any reprieve from such an institution&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: jonbad</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/lost-hhonors-life-member-stripped-of-hilton-elite-status/comment-page-1/#comment-24769</link>
		<dc:creator>jonbad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever you get something with a &#039;lifetime&#039; guarantee or expiration, you need to check with the company giving the guarantee or expiration about what exactly &#039;lifetime&#039; entails. It sounds like Hilton&#039;s &#039;lifetime&#039; was for the lifetime of the program, which it discontinued - and from what I got from the story; it had a right to do so. I do agree with Chris&#039; reasoning that the company would not have lost money by honoring this program for the seniors, though.

It seems that it takes a member of the press to get companies to do the right thing these days. It&#039;s too bad that each one of us does not have a press card so that we may also be treated fairly all of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever you get something with a &#8216;lifetime&#8217; guarantee or expiration, you need to check with the company giving the guarantee or expiration about what exactly &#8216;lifetime&#8217; entails. It sounds like Hilton&#8217;s &#8216;lifetime&#8217; was for the lifetime of the program, which it discontinued &#8211; and from what I got from the story; it had a right to do so. I do agree with Chris&#8217; reasoning that the company would not have lost money by honoring this program for the seniors, though.</p>
<p>It seems that it takes a member of the press to get companies to do the right thing these days. It&#8217;s too bad that each one of us does not have a press card so that we may also be treated fairly all of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Harrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Harrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever happened to United&#039;s Silver Wings Plus?  I paid into this when I age qualified for a lifetime membership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever happened to United&#8217;s Silver Wings Plus?  I paid into this when I age qualified for a lifetime membership.</p>
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		<title>By: Sallyl Watkins, CTC</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/lost-hhonors-life-member-stripped-of-hilton-elite-status/comment-page-1/#comment-24705</link>
		<dc:creator>Sallyl Watkins, CTC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, how incredibly aggravating that a corporation repeatedly stonewalls a loyal customer, but &#039;rolls over&#039; when the media makes inquiry.  Just THINK of how many people &#039;get the short end of the stick&#039; every single day in this country but don&#039;t know how to &#039;work the system,&#039; so the &#039;big guys&#039; win.

Put on your Superman Cape, Chris, and  see if it helps you cover more territory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, how incredibly aggravating that a corporation repeatedly stonewalls a loyal customer, but &#8216;rolls over&#8217; when the media makes inquiry.  Just THINK of how many people &#8216;get the short end of the stick&#8217; every single day in this country but don&#8217;t know how to &#8216;work the system,&#8217; so the &#8216;big guys&#8217; win.</p>
<p>Put on your Superman Cape, Chris, and  see if it helps you cover more territory!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/lost-hhonors-life-member-stripped-of-hilton-elite-status/comment-page-1/#comment-24665</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carver - if they advertise &#039;Elite Status for Life&quot; and you sign up for that-  and pay a small fee or stay requisite # of nights or spend points - then they have agreed to provide you with that status for life.  Period,  End of Story.  

The legal argument is that there was consideration paid for a certain status and benefits that derive from that status thereon circumscribing the ability of the program to change your STATUS for your life unless they discontinue the program in its entirety.  Now - they can change the benefits that you get from and as a member in that status, but they cannot change the status.  

They can have gold and platinum and add &#039;tin&#039; status between gold and platinum and move the real benefits from Gold to &#039;Tin,&#039; but they did not do that.  I would argue that the type and nature of perquisites cannot be changed either by subterfuge or trick - which is adding a tin level and putting the real benefits in that level either.  

Practically speaking the &#039;any change we want at any time&#039; is modified by someone paying for something.  Its how contract law has been interpreted for 300 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carver &#8211; if they advertise &#8216;Elite Status for Life&#8221; and you sign up for that-  and pay a small fee or stay requisite # of nights or spend points &#8211; then they have agreed to provide you with that status for life.  Period,  End of Story.  </p>
<p>The legal argument is that there was consideration paid for a certain status and benefits that derive from that status thereon circumscribing the ability of the program to change your STATUS for your life unless they discontinue the program in its entirety.  Now &#8211; they can change the benefits that you get from and as a member in that status, but they cannot change the status.  </p>
<p>They can have gold and platinum and add &#8216;tin&#8217; status between gold and platinum and move the real benefits from Gold to &#8216;Tin,&#8217; but they did not do that.  I would argue that the type and nature of perquisites cannot be changed either by subterfuge or trick &#8211; which is adding a tin level and putting the real benefits in that level either.  </p>
<p>Practically speaking the &#8216;any change we want at any time&#8217; is modified by someone paying for something.  Its how contract law has been interpreted for 300 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/lost-hhonors-life-member-stripped-of-hilton-elite-status/comment-page-1/#comment-24653</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carver

I&#039;d say go to the the judge with some sort of plain meaning defense.  Not a lawyer by any means, but I would guess if I called something a &quot;Million Dollar Giveway&quot;, then, after you won, told you that $999,999 went to admin fees (legalese be d***ed) the judge would award you your winnings in &quot;the interest of justice&quot; - as it well should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carver</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say go to the the judge with some sort of plain meaning defense.  Not a lawyer by any means, but I would guess if I called something a &#8220;Million Dollar Giveway&#8221;, then, after you won, told you that $999,999 went to admin fees (legalese be d***ed) the judge would award you your winnings in &#8220;the interest of justice&#8221; &#8211; as it well should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Bela Fleck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bela Fleck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because something is written into a contract does not make it absolute or legally enforceable.  You might be surprised just what hurdles you can overcome, even when the terms and conditions seem to indicate otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because something is written into a contract does not make it absolute or legally enforceable.  You might be surprised just what hurdles you can overcome, even when the terms and conditions seem to indicate otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver Farrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver Farrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe

The terms and conditions undoubtedly state that lifetime status is for the lifetime of the program not the member. They also generally give the  program the right to unilaterally amend or terminate the program upon a certain notice period.  How to you plan on overcoming those two hurdles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe</p>
<p>The terms and conditions undoubtedly state that lifetime status is for the lifetime of the program not the member. They also generally give the  program the right to unilaterally amend or terminate the program upon a certain notice period.  How to you plan on overcoming those two hurdles?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When anyone pays for &#039;lifetime&#039; status in a travel or other loyalty program, the company has just amended the terms of the program.   The company has been paid for a certain lifetime status thereby circumscribing their ability to unilaterally amend or eliminate the life time status at the level paid for.  This is law student quality analysis.  Therefore, ANYONE to whom this has happened needs to contact Hilton to be reinstated - if they - give me a holler - we&#039;ll make it work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When anyone pays for &#8216;lifetime&#8217; status in a travel or other loyalty program, the company has just amended the terms of the program.   The company has been paid for a certain lifetime status thereby circumscribing their ability to unilaterally amend or eliminate the life time status at the level paid for.  This is law student quality analysis.  Therefore, ANYONE to whom this has happened needs to contact Hilton to be reinstated &#8211; if they &#8211; give me a holler &#8211; we&#8217;ll make it work.</p>
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