“It’s a laughing joke that Expedia says they offer great customer service”

August 12, 2010

Last December, Caesar Ho booked a night at the Hyatt Regency San Francisco Airport Hotel through Expedia. But when he couldn’t reach the hotel because of inclement weather — snow on the 5 Freeway and dangerous winds on the 101 — he phoned the hotel to see if he could cancel his room.

A hotel representative said he couldn’t help, and that he needed to contact Expedia to cancel his stay. Expedia refused.

Because they were unwilling to do anything, we filed a dispute with our credit card company. Visa investigated the issue and sent a notice to Expedia.com for mediation.

Expedia was given a full 45 days to respond to the dispute, but according to Visa, they received no response from Expedia.com and the case was then closed. We received a notice from Visa stating that our account had been credited the full amount and the case solved.

End of story? Not quite.

Six months later, Ho received a notice from Expedia’s collections agency, RMS, billing him $131.

Upon receiving this notice, we sent RMS a letter stating that we do not accept this charge and that it had already been disputed and solved. We also send a handwritten letter to Expedia regarding the matter.

Both letters were met with zero response from either company. RMS simply sent another two collection notices with zero explanation and Expedia ignored our correspondence.

Finally, RMS sent him a notice saying that his account had been formally sent to it for collection. Ho made several efforts to contact Expedia in writing and by phone, but was told there was nothing the company could do. He had only one choice: to pay up.

Ho is at his wits’ end.

It’s a laughing joke that Expedia says they offer great customer service. I thought they were a great company, but I’m just disappointed in their response – or lack thereof. They’ve offered zero help on all accounts and have ignored our written letters.

They did nothing when the account was disputed and waited six months to send a collection agency to harass us. Not only have they wasted countless hours of our time, they’ve also lost this family’s business. If a written letter of complaint doesn’t get through to them, I’m not sure what will.

Well, I’m willing to try. I contacted Expedia on his behalf. Here’s what it had to say in its response to Ho:

Our records show that on December 12, 2009, you contacted our representatives to inquire about cancelling your reservation at the Hyatt Regency in San Francisco, California for that evening and the possibility of receiving a refund. At the time of purchase, your itinerary stated that any cancellations less than 72 hours prior to check-in would incur a hotel-imposed penalty equal to 100% cost of stay.

When plans change for any reason, including extenuating circumstances, hotels often do not make exceptions to the policies they state. Regardless, as your advocate, we reached out to the hotel on your behalf and asked for an exception. The hotel manager did not waive their cancellation penalty due to the late date of the request. We have since contacted the hotel to further inquire about the reason for the denial of your request, and they have stated that since the reservation was already in the penalty window, no refund was allowed.

Your letter states that you disputed the charge with your credit card company and received a refund for your reservation, and that your charge has since been sent to a third-party collection agency. Although we received a chargeback from your bank, because we determined that the charge was still valid, the account was sent to collections.

When your sister Ms. Ho contacted our customer service representatives on July 27, she was informed that Expedia was no longer able to handle this charge and that further action must be pursued through the collection agency. Ms. Ho spoke with one of our Tier 3 Customer Service specialists, who reviewed the information provided by the hotel on December 12 and informed Ms. Ho how to contact the collections agency with her questions and concerns.

Because the charge has been sent to a third-party collection agency, any further action will need to be pursued through the collection agency. You may refer to the instructions they have provided you in the collection notice you received.

In other words, no.

I have a few problems with the way this was handled. Did anyone bother to tell Ho that there was no way he could cancel his room at the Hyatt? It seems to me that if the non-negotiable 72-hour cancellation period had been carefully explained to him when he tried to cancel the reservation, he might have done things differently.

I think it’s great that Ho’s credit card took his side in this dispute, but shouldn’t it have checked on the terms of his hotel room before filing the dispute on his behalf? If it had, maybe it wouldn’t have taken the case.

Expedia shouldn’t have ignored the dispute. If it hadn’t, then Ho might not have prevailed, and the matter wouldn’t have been sent to a collection agency. I’m also having some trouble believing Expedia’s suggestion that it can’t stop a collection process. I think “won’t” is more like it.

So here’s the big question: What do you do if you’re Ho? Do you ignore the collection requests? Do you appeal your case to the collection agency, hoping for a resolution? Or do you pay the bill?

Update (6:30 p.m.): Expedia has sent me an update:

You mention that you had a few problems with the way this was handled, and I wanted to take the opportunity to address the specific concerns that you had:

Mr. Ho booked the hotel on our site, and the rules and restrictions are presented as part of the booking process. In fact, he had to agree to them in order to submit his purchase. Further, it is Expedia policy for agents to quote upon cancellation any rules and restrictions associated with rebooking, or details around any lost value upon cancellation. In this case, that would be the hotel’s non-negotiable 72-hour cancellation policy that you reference. In reviewing our notes, we don’t see any indication that our agent didn’t follow this policy.

Expedia didn’t ignore the dispute. In fact, we attempted to get the dispute by the credit card company reversed because our customer service department determined the charge was valid.

We are certainly not saying that we can’t stop the collection process. We believe the debt is owed to us and we contracted with the collections agency to collect the debt on our behalf.

(Photo: Ra Gardner 4/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • Liz

    Ignoring the collection company will result in a ruined credit score. I suggest that they familiarize themselves with the FDCPA and FACTA.

    I suspect this will end up in court.

  • John Baker

    Chris … A few points …
    1. Its Expedia’s job to defend the chargeback. In all probablity, if they had sent VISA a copy of the T&Cs, the chargeback would have been declined.
    2. The Fair Credit Act gives the Hos rights in this situation and they may want to read up on it.
    3. They should pay the money and move on. They agreed to the cancellation policy when they accepted the room. They now have to live by it. They don’t really have a legal case base on you summary and they’re going to spend more just going through the summary of the events with a lawyer.

  • http://www.singleparenttravel.net John Frenaye

    Canceling at the last minute will usually cost you at least one night’s stay. What were the terms of his original purchase via Expedia? I suspect that he got a good rate for a non refundable prepayment of his entire stay. Did Ho read the rules?

    You are right that Expedia should not have ignored the bank’s dispute.

    Credit cards will always take the side of the customer unless it is egregious. They are in the catbird’s seat. They side wiht the customer and can debit the Expedia directly.

    So, then Expedia turned it over to a collection agency that did not result in the payment.

    Then they sold it to the collection agency–likely for pennies on the dollar. That is why Expedia is out of it. THey legally do not own the debt anymore. The collection agency will NOT take this to court for this amount. But they will ding the credit report and when it get’s dinged, Ho can dispute it with the credit reprting companies and likely get it removed.

  • CL

    Do not ignore the collection agency. That was leads to very bad things on the credit score.

    The key issue is Expedia never responded to Visa. If they don’t respond, it’s a bit hard for Visa to do any research on the issue.

  • cjr

    “If it had, maybe it wouldn’t have taken the case.”

    If Expedia had responded to VISA, then they might not have gotten the chargeback. The fact that Expedia ignored VISA should be the end of the story – Expedia didn’t care enough, so they lost.

    To be honest, due to the way I was treated by VISA a few months ago regarding a dispute, I’m surprised this consumer got their money back at all.

    Oh, I would be very concerned about the potential for the collection agency to escalate their methods. I believe there are laws on the books that give you the right to demand that they stop contacting you.

  • David Emery

    The fact that Expedia didn’t respond to the Credit Card company is damning. I’d say Mr Ho should point to this and refuse to pay any more.

    Chris, you should follow up to make sure Mr Ho isn’t bothered by these collections people, and that is something Expedia CAN fix, no matter what they say (even if they have to pay off their own collection agency.) If Expedia continues to play dumb here, let us know!

  • Ed Greenberg

    I hate to say it, but my experience is that almost all hotels would have canceled his room without penalty if he had booked direct. Not only that, most hotels will match whatever rate the aggregator is offering, when requested to do so.

    Using these third party aggregators saves lots of money, but only if you don’t need any flexibility, consideration or customer service.

  • Annie

    72 hours cancellation is 72 hours cancellation, regardless of weather or any acts of God. Expedia did what it thought it had to do, which was go out to the hotel and try to mediate. However, Hyatt refused to budge, so why is it Expedia’s fault? Either take it up with Hyatt, or pay up.

    Granted they shouldn’t have ignored the correspondences, however, I doubt that any reply to the correpondences would have resulted in any different result.

    Furthermore, it seems that Mr. Ho would be unwilling to pay for the stay that did not occur regardless of what was communicated to him.

  • Walt Blackadar

    This is really the OPs debt to pay. It doesn’t really matter that there was a little snow on the I-10 or that there were high winds. The facts are that it’s not Expedia’s job to get him to the hotel. He didn’t, didn’t cancel in time and that’s that. He owes the dough and needs to take some responsibility for it. That he won the dispute isn’t relevant here because he still owes the debt.

    Mr. Ho, Expedia and the collection agency aren’t “wasting your time”, they’re trying to collect on a debt that you legitimately owe. Do you think that it’s fair that Expedia gets stuck with the bill from the hotel and no money from you because you couldn’t get there? This is your responsibility…own up to it and pay your bills.

  • Cliff Woodrick

    Take them to small claims court in your home area. It will cost them more to defend their case then the bill. But Expedia \and the Hyatt Regency will never do business with you again. If the particulars of your reservation have not been shown to you before the reservation you may win.

    Good luck

  • MeanMeosh

    Sounds like there are two issues here:

    1) Was the traveler entitled to a refund in the first place? Sounds like the answer is no. There was a 72-hour cancellation policy, and the cancellation wasn’t made in time, so on its face, it doesn’t sound like he’s owed a refund. Sometimes hotels will make exceptions in the event of bad weather, but usually only if the weather is occurring where the hotel is actually located. So, I don’t think he’s technically owed anything, though what we don’t know was whether or not there were issues with the way the cancellation policy was disclosed. That might change my answer. As an aside – if I saw the possibility of a major storm a few days before my projected starting date, I probably would have either canceled right then and there, or at least called the hotel and asked “hey, we’re expecting bad weather here and I might not be able to make it, what can you do for me in case I get stuck”. If done within the 72 hour window, they might have been willing to work with him. But hey, I’m a weather nerd and follow it religiously, so that’s just me.

    2) That being said, Expedia failed to respond to Mr. Ho’s bank when the chargeback was initiated. Now, if you ask me, it becomes Expedia’s problem. I have a real problem with merchants who fail to respond in a timely fashion to a credit card dispute, and then attempt to collect via a collection agency. Just my two cents, but I don’t think they should be allowed a second bite at the apple when it was their own negligence that the chargeback happened in the first place.

    In this case, I don’t think Mr. Ho should have initiated a credit card dispute, but because he did and Expedia didn’t bother to respond in time, they should have to eat the money.

  • http://www.thetravelinggiraffe.com Crissy

    I agree that Mr Ho does owe the money if Expedia and Hyatt are not willing to waive the 72 hour cancellation rule. And in the end paying $131 to get a collections company off your back and protect your credit is probably the wisest move at this point. At some point you end up spending more money in time and aggravation to get rid of the $131. If he had paid the bill from the beginning and not disputed it through the credit card he wouldn’t be in this mess now.

    However, I do think that Expedia handled this in the worst way possible. First, when he called to cancel they should have explained the cancellation policy to him – even if only to protect themselves, but more so to make sure he was aware of them. Next, they should not have ignored the inquiry from the credit card – Expedia would have saved themselves time and money by sending the documentation to prove the charge. And before they sent it to collections, why didn’t they contact Mr. Ho regarding the reservation, but instead waited 6 months to send it to collections and wash their hands of it.

    While Expedia’s poor handling of the situation does not mean that Mr. Ho is not responsible for the charge, it certainly makes me wonder what type of company they are. I’m sure they’ve lost Mr. Ho as a customer, but possibly anyone else who reads this story. This isn’t a story about a mix up or where Expedia could have done more to help the customer. Expedia was negligent in how it processed this charge from the time that Mr. Ho tried to cancel and continues until now. I think an apology for the poor handling of this is in order, and maybe a credit to use at the Expedia website.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    I must agree with Ed Greenberg that if he booked directly with the hotel website that there would have been a chance that they will waive the cancellation fee. I have cancelled a few reservations with Hilton and Marriott after the deadline and they waived the cancellation fee; however, I am an elite member of their frequent guest program.

    I went to the Hyatt website and the cancellation policy for this hotel was ‘Cancel By 3pm PST 24 Hours Prior To Arrival’ which is much better than the 72 hours on Expedia. However, the room rate was $ 299 plus taxes per night instead of the $ 131 that Mr. Ho got through Expedia.

  • Carver

    @Liz

    There is almost zero chance of this ending up in court unless Mr. Ho initiates something, which as one poster suggested, isn’t a bad idea.

    You are correct though that Mr. HO should familiarize himself with the FDCPA act. Not every debt that is sent to a collections agency can be reported to the credit bureau. I suspect, but have not verified, that this debt is not a reportable one.

    @John

    I doubt if Mr. Ho will hire an attorney for this.

    @Others

    As to whether Mr. Ho owes the debt that’s an open question. Force Majeure defenses work both ways.

    As the whether the collections agency can call Mr. Ho, that depends on whether the collections agency is representing Expedia or if the bought the debt. IF they are representing Expedia they may call subject to certain time and manner constraints. If they bought the debt, Mr. Ho can instruct them not to contact him.

  • SirWired

    Pay the bill. That doesn’t stop the OP from continuing to try and recover funds from Expedia, but it will get the collection agency and credit damage off the plate. None of this is the collection agency’s fault, and they have no reason to budge because of a customer service dispute with Expedia.

    Was the 72-hour advance cancellation relayed to the OP when making the reservation? If so, then there is no case. While the OP is certainly right to never use Expedia again, the debt is legitimate.

    If the cancellation policy wasn’t relayed, then the next step is small claims. I’d file against Expedia only; it isn’t the hotel’s fault if Expedia didn’t relay the cancellation policy, and filing against both the collection agency and Expedia is redundant. However, even if the small claims case is won, collecting could be difficult to impossible and/or more trouble than it’s worth.

    But yes, Expedia should have absolutely responded to the dispute from the bank instead of ignoring it and sending the OP to collections. IMHO, Visa should have rules disallowing merchants from continuing to pursue a debt if they do not respond to a dispute.

  • d

    In this case I don’t believe he is entitled to any refund as the policy was clearly spelled out and seems reasonable.

    The problem I have here is that Expedia did not respond to the credit card dispute and thus Visa reversed the charges. Expedia lost their chance by not responding to the dispute. This should never have been sent to a collection agency.

    The point of a credit card dispute is to protect people from being charged for goods or services that were not delivered. In many cases that I have read on here, travel companies have legitimately charged people when they shouldn’t have, or failed to give a refund when one was due. How do you get such a thing reversed when a credit card company sides with you and it is still sent to a collection agency?

    It seems like a collection agency should be required to drop a case if the person can prove they have won a credit card dispute. Otherwise, it completely undermines the purpose of the credit card dispute.

  • Chris in NC

    Mr. Ho was past his cancellation period for his room rate. Thus, he should not have be entitled to a refund. Having said that, when he filed the dispute/chargeback, Expedia should have responded. If Expedia did respond, Mr. Ho would NOT have won his dispute. Since Expedia failed to respond, they should not be able to collect. PERIOD.

    By pursuing a collection, they may violate the terms with Visa. Sending this to a collection agency is completely classless (remember, they failed to respond to the dispute), and possibly illegal (Joe Farrell, Carver, what is your take?)

    I would not pay the collection agent. I would send them a certified letter stating that this is a) an illegal collection, b) to stop contacting me, c) if they post derogatory credit I will sue them under the Fair Credit Collection Act. Keep all documentation and monitor your credit reports.

    On a more global note, I find this practice of threatening or using a collection agency to collect after you lose a dispute to be troubling. Isn’t the whole purpose of the dispute process supposed to help PROTECT both the merchant and customer? If merchants are circumventing this process, does it not render the consumer protection part of using a CC worthless? Thoughts?

  • ed

    Ho owes.

    His first words in this story are “Because they were unwilling to do anything, we filed a dispute with our credit card company.” What he really means by this is “Because they DID NOT DO WHAT WE WANTED, we filed a dispute”.

    Sometimes you need to cancel the room at the last minute–the reason is irrelevant–and you break your contract with the hotel and you lose your deposit. That’s the way it goes. From the hotels point of view, why should they lose money on a room they are holding for you?

  • Dave

    This is another in a long line of incidents that strengthen my resolve to never never do business with Expedia.

  • Mel

    I have trouble believing the OP didn’t know that his hotel was non-refundable within a certain amount of time. When I’ve made a reservation, that information always displays or prints prominently. I realize they felt that due to circumstances beyond their control it should have been waived, but it wasn’t and they agreed to those conditions when they made the reservations. Frankly, disputing the charge after being told “Nope” was the wrong thing to do IMHO. You don’t dispute an agreement you made, when there’s no legitimate basis; not everything is “fair” and most of us learn that pretty early on. The response from Expedia was perfectly reasonable, although if they failed to respond to the dispute, that’s bad on them. In the end though, the OP should simply suck it up. $131 is a small price to pay for a valuable lesson learned and to protect their credit rating.

  • Thalassa

    Why should anyone have to repeatedly explain the cancellation policy? Cancellation policies are VERY clear on Expedia. Mr. Ho should have known the policy before he ever bought the room. I say he should pay up.

  • Jake

    I may be in the wrong here, but aren’t all merchants (as part of their agreement with Visa, Mastercard, whoever) bound by the results of the dispute resolution process? Meaning that because the CC sided with the customer, they are contractually bound to drop the matter and not allowed to continue to attempt to collect in any form?

  • Diana

    Mr Ho should contact his credit card again. The fact that Expedia acknowledged the chargeback but did nothing to either respond to the cc or dispute the chargeback is troubling. Hopefully their credit card could help their customers out without Mr Ho going to court.

  • Bill

    What a mess.
    Ultimately, the terms of the reservation were that they had to pay. I ran into a situation where my plans changed due to hurricanes and the hotel involved (which was not in the hurricane area) could have charged me but didn’t out of good customer service (thank you Marriott). However, Marriott gave up a couple of hundred dollars in revenue and has reaped tens of thousands of dollars in business that I have given them. If they had charged me that couple of hundred dollars, I would have paid it, because ultimately, I was responsible to pay it.

    In Mr. Ho’s case, the storm wasn’t the hotel’s fault either.

    In this case, the hotel and expedia in my opinion should have been a lot more communicative.

  • Steve

    Congratulations, Expedia…sending this customer to collections over a $131 chargeback will surely cost you more in bad publicity from this blog alone than you made from selling the debt to collections. Way to go!

    If Expedia felt the charge was valid, they should have responded when the customer disputed the charge. I think being silent about the dispute, then sending the debt to a collection agency is despicable.

    I’m not sure what the best move is now. I believe that now that the debt is on his credit report, it’s going to be a black mark whether or not he pays it (though it will probably be less of a black mark if he pays it). I’d be inclined to stand firm and refuse to pay.

  • David Z

    Did anyone bother to tell Ho that there was no way he could cancel his room at the Hyatt? It seems to me that if the non-negotiable 72-hour cancellation period had been carefully explained to him, he might have done things differently.

    Just a quick comment: based on Expedia’s response, it seems like that was actually fully explained to him? It also seems they tried to ask the hotel to maybe reconsider, but they didn’t budge.

    All in all, it appears Expedia’s only fault is the collections thing. That I won’t comment on since I hardly know how that works in the U.S.

  • Brian

    This is the EXACT reason I never book hotels through Expedia or Orbitz or any of these consolidators. Often the hassle of paying up front and the small discount you receive over just calling the property is far outweighed by the hassle if you need to cancel.
    I’ve found great rates at a consolidater site and will usualy go directly to that company’s site to book the reservation. I often get a VERY similar if not slightly cheaper rate and I don’t have to pay up front AND if I need to cancel I’m not stuck with a non-refundable purchase.

  • Lisa S

    Expedia never responded to the credit card company. To me that should be the end of it. Expedia had the opportunity to tell Visa why the charge was valid and Expedia chose not to do this. Having dealt with Expedia’s poorly trained people, I do not necessarily believe that Mr. Ho was informed that Expedia would advocate on his behalf. I suspect he was simply told no. Based on Expedia’s lack of response to the Ho’s communication, I suspect that Expedia did nothing until contacted by Chris. I prefer to deal directly with hotels and airlines to avoid these problems–but even that is never a sure thing.

  • Louise

    What’s an OP? Outpatient? What’s an IMHO? I can’t imagine. Whatever happened to words?

  • Carrie Charney

    I wonder if Expedia didn’t bother to take the time to respond to the credit dispute because it knew the bill could just be sent to collection without any effort on its part. End of their responsibility, period!

  • Tanya

    A few days ago, there was a post about a hotel advertising a rate that was a mistake. I said that the hotel should have honored the mistake. In this case, I think that Mr. Ho should have paid up. As a consumer, it is our responsibility to READ everything that we are signing or agreeing to. I have booked many a hotel through expedia/travelocity/orbitz/etc. All of them prominently display the refund rules and cancellation policies. Multiple times. So much so, that I get annoyed when booking, I get it already, there is a cancellation policy. The other commentators are right in stating that sometimes booking through the hotel’s site will allow you to cancel your reservation more easily than through expedia. I have also noticed that different rates carry different cancellation policies. If I knew I was traveling in the winter, I might pay a little more for a room that can be cancelled, rather than a lower non-refundable rate. As a consumer, the choice is mine.
    The story does not tell us if Mr. Ho knew of the cancellation policy. If he did, why did he think he was the exception to the rule?
    If Mr. Ho missed it by mistake, that is his fault and his alone and I think disputing the charge with his credit card company is somewhat fraudulent. He knew (or should have known) of the cancellation policy, he asked for an exception, it was not granted, therefore, he owed the money. Why he felt it was appropriate to dispute the charge with his credit card company, I do not know.
    However, I wills say that expedia did not treat this properly. If they received notice from the credit card of the dispute and did not respond, it is now somewhat on them. I would like to know why expedia did not respond. At all. Until 6 months later with his account being sent to collections.
    At the end of the day, Mr. Ho tried to play the system and now has a headache for his troubles. Pay up or live with the consequences, which means time, effort, and possibly money, even with our great consumer protection acts.

  • Carver

    @Chris in NC

    Yes, sending it to collections is certainly classless, although not illegal.

    @Carrie

    Unlikely. Since you can setle with a collection agency for between 50% and 67% easily, and the collection agency takes at least 25%, Expedia tends to recover no more than 1/2 of the debt, and probably less.

  • Jesse

    A word to the wise – it would have been better to book directly with Hyatt on their web site. Often it’s the same price or cheaper.

    This would have given Hyatt a lot more flexibility in deciding to be lenient when canceling the reservation – even given the 72 hour cancellation policy. Since the OP (original poster) booked via Expedia, Hyatt’s hands were tied.

  • Mike S

    Thanks for posting this. Shame on Expedia for not responding and then not accepting the charge back. I almost never use a discount site to book.

    If Expedia had responded VISA likely would have denied the claim. That would have been a proper result.

    I’d offer the collection agency a reduced sum to compromise the matter and if refused just pay it.

  • Monica

    While I believe Ho should have had to pay this, when Expedia failed to respond to the VISA dispute, Expedia forfited their opportunity to collect the money. They had a legitimate reason to claim the money and chose to ignore it. Then they passed it on to the collection agency where it became ‘someone else’s problem.’

  • Steve Surjaputra

    @Louise OP=original poster
    IMHO=in my humble opinion.

    As far as this case is concerned, I do wonder whether the terms of cancellation were disclosed at all.

    Usually I book directly with the hotel (unless I’m looking for a package deal) and hotels usually give you varying rates with Terms of Condition for the rate as a clickable link (if I book on the website).

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    You can blame Expedia since they didn’t respond to the credit company ASSUMING that the credit card company contacted them. Does the credit company have a certified mail receipt on file stating that their dispute was received by Expedia? Maybe the credit card company dropped the ball. We don’t know but it is irrelevant in my book.

    I think that the person that needs to be blamed in this situation is Mr. Ho. Mr. Ho purchased a hotel reservation with very restrictive terms (i.e. no refund if room is cancelled within 72 hours). I went to Expedia website to book a room at this hotel and the term of “This reservation is nonrefundable” was clearly disclosed to me. It seems like he got a better term (refund if cancel within 72 hours) than what the current terms are. Mr. Ho can’t use the excuse that the refund policy wasn’t fully disclosed to him when booking this reservation.

    Mr. Ho called within the 72-hour window to cancel thus no refund. Expedia did contact the hotel on the behalf of Mr. Ho to ask for an exception but the hotel refused to grant a refund. By contacting the hotel, I think that Expedia did a good job by trying to get a refund.

    Mr. Ho didn’t like the outcome so he contacted his credit card company to file a dispute. It seems like Mr. Ho doesn’t think that the rules apply to him. It is my guess that his letter to the credit card company didn’t state that the cancellation occurred within 72 hours and the terms of his reservation stated no refund within 72 hours.

    It seems like Mr. Ho was afraid to drive due to the weather and was concerned about his health, life, safety of his passenger(s) (if there would have been passengers), etc. No one like to lose a hotel deposit, first night etc. but what is more important the $ 131 or your life? To me, it would have been worth $ 131 to stay home if there were bad road conditions.

    Mr. Ho could have selected a hotel with a ‘Same Day – 6 PM’ cancellation policy but he didn’t.

    Personally, I wish that these hotels will stop selling rooms to the consolidators; hotels will stop having these non-changeable non-refundable rates, etc. because there are travelers out there like Mr. Ho who think that the terms of the reservations apply to them. I am “tired” of reading articles by Chris about travelers who purchased a pre-paid non-changeable non refundable rate and then want a refund.

    As a side note, I put a value of my time. It seems like he has spent a lot of time on this matter for only $ 131. Stuff happens in life, you cancel within 72 hours, buck up and pay the $ 131 and get on your life.

    For those that commented that this will hurt Expedia, it won’t. Expedia attracts a certain market (people who wants cheap travel over service and quality) so they will always have customers. It is my guess that Mr. Ho will do business again with Expedia.

  • Sarah Di

    Has Mr. Ho considered the possibility that, whether booked directly through Hyatt or Expedia, that he actually legally owes the money? He agreed to a cancellation period of 72 hours, didn’t cancel in time and wants his money back. Once Expedia and the hotel said no to a refund initially, I don’t really know why he decided a credit card dispute was in order. Unless all roads leading to the hotel were closed, that shouldn’t be a reason for a full refund within the cancellation period.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Sarah Di – “Has Mr. Ho considered the possibility that, whether booked directly through Hyatt or Expedia, that he actually legally owes the money? He agreed to a cancellation period of 72 hours, didn’t cancel in time and wants his money back.”
    - – - – -
    The terms of the reservation doesn’t apply to him. That is the problem with travelers like Mr. Ho, they think their situation is special and they are entitled to a refund.

    @ Sarah Di – ” Once Expedia and the hotel said no to a refund initially, I don’t really know why he decided a credit card dispute was in order.”
    - – - – - – - –
    If it was me, I would have asked for refund. However, once I was told ‘No’, I would have dropped it and move on. He wanted a room and Expedia sold him one. It was not Expedia fault that the weather was bad.

    IMHO, this was a false dispute and it only hurts the people with actual real disputes.

  • John Baker

    @ Jake
    “I may be in the wrong here, but aren’t all merchants (as part of their agreement with Visa, Mastercard, whoever) bound by the results of the dispute resolution process? Meaning that because the CC sided with the customer, they are contractually bound to drop the matter and not allowed to continue to attempt to collect in any form?”

    As a merchant account holder, I can tell you the answer is no. Its much like putting a stop payment on a check. I can still attempt to collect what is owed even if you stop payment on a check. I can turn the debt over to collections and I can opt to no longer take CC from you again. I can’t add an NSF penalty like I could with a bounced check but in my state I can charge you reasonable interest on the debt until I collect.

  • Ronda

    I personally dont think that Mr. Ho’s entitled to his money back. Of course it would be nice for expedia or the hotel to make an exception. but I think he’s oging to have to pay in the end
    Also definatly dont ignore it, 100 and something dollers isnt worth what having something in collections will do to your credit score. Just pay it and be done with it.

  • Walt Blackadar

    Just a note for those who said that Expedia should have responded to the charge back.

    Some vendors do not respond to charge back requests under a certain amount because it costs the vendor money by the bank to do so. Not only does it cost real money, but it also takes time to do so. So the corporate policy is simply to let all charge backs go through, evaluate them in a batch process every few months and then pursue alternate collection avenues for the ones that should not have been granted in the first place. Expedia not responding to the charge back in no way invalidates the debt.

  • John

    It seems that the credit dispute should never have happened because Mr. Ho should have read the T&C when he purchased the room.

    It’s troubling that Expedia never responded to the dispute.

    I think Mr. Ho loses here and should pay the original disputed amount. And he’d better hurry up before it hits his credit score!

  • MeanMeosh

    @ Arizona – “You can blame Expedia since they didn’t respond to the credit company ASSUMING that the credit card company contacted them. Does the credit company have a certified mail receipt on file stating that their dispute was received by Expedia? Maybe the credit card company dropped the ball. We don’t know but it is irrelevant in my book.”

    While I agree with you that a credit card dispute was not warranted in this case (assuming there was no issue with the penalty disclosure), I disagree with your statement in general. It shouldn’t be the customer’s responsibility to ensure that the credit card company follows through on their end. If the bank failed to properly notify the merchant, that’s a problem between the merchant and the bank, and it shouldn’t then be thrown back on the customer.

  • Sarah Di

    “@ Sarah Di – “Has Mr. Ho considered the possibility that, whether booked directly through Hyatt or Expedia, that he actually legally owes the money? He agreed to a cancellation period of 72 hours, didn’t cancel in time and wants his money back.”
    - – – – -
    The terms of the reservation doesn’t apply to him. That is the problem with travelers like Mr. Ho, they think their situation is special and they are entitled to a refund.

    @ Sarah Di – ” Once Expedia and the hotel said no to a refund initially, I don’t really know why he decided a credit card dispute was in order.”
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    If it was me, I would have asked for refund. However, once I was told ‘No’, I would have dropped it and move on. He wanted a room and Expedia sold him one. It was not Expedia fault that the weather was bad.

    IMHO, this was a false dispute and it only hurts the people with actual real disputes.”

    I agree. If you purchase a rate that is nonrefundable at any point in time, you accept those terms. To ask for a refund once is one thing and acceptable. If you feel the situation is one out of your control that the hotel should make an exception for, asking at the corporate level may be acceptable. Starting a credit card dispute just because you don’t like the answer, even if it’s right, is not the way to go in my opinion. If you agree to a rule initially, you can’t just decide later that you don’t want to follow it anymore.

  • Jason

    Contact collection agency and request do not call. It is very likely you will see negative item in your credit report. In this case send a short explanaition with the letter from visa to credit reporting agency. There is a chance they might remove collection item friom the report. Otherwise it depends on if you are going to buy car, house or apply for a credit soon. When time passes you will be offered a discount from the collection. I don’t think they will drag you to court for $131.

  • Eileen

    And this is reason 9,876 why I do not use third party sites to make a reservation. Expedia, Orbitz, etc, I refuse to use the whole lot of them . Usually, if you see a rate on those sites, you can get that rate or pretty darn close by booking with the hotel directly. Which means you don’t have to go through being bounced around, and you have an actual hotel employee you can talk to when there is a problem.

  • Randy Abrams

    Expedia is far from perfect, but I will share a different experience. I booked a business class ticket from Seattle to Copenhagen last year. The fare was amazingly low, but SAS and Expedia said it was legitimate. When I arrived for the first leg of the flight on United they had put me in coach. After a lot of time aruging, calling Expedia, and getting nowhere, United agreed to let me use some coupons I had to upgrade to first class for the Seattle to Chicago part of the flight. I followed up with United, Expedia and SAS. United said they were right and that because there wasn’t a business class on the flight to Chicago they could put me in coach. SAS lied and said that flying in coach was in the terms of service, but they didn’t quote the fictitious terms. Expedia followed up and eventually got the upgrade coupons I used refunded to me.

    It wasn’t Expedia’s fault about the weather and cancellation policies are not unknown. Expedia should have responded to the charge back, but still, when the customer is right, I have had psoitive experiences with Expedia. I should note that I use Egencia, the business arm of Expedia.

  • O

    How can a collection agency hurt your credit without your social security number? Do they have enough info to do that?

  • Brian C

    @Randy

    United WAS correct, you simply didn’t understand your ticket or obviously didn’t try to get seat assignments before the flight or you would have realized this BEFORE getting to the airport. It’s relatively rare for domestic flights to have three classes of service anymore, they typically have economy and first class.
    If I were to guess, your itinerary with the flight details for each flight likely showed coach or economy for the US portions of the flight and business for the International portions of the flight.

    Is this right? You yourself said you got an “amazingly low” fare. The fare was low because only one segment each way was actualy in the business class cabin.

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