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	<title>Comments on: Is Travelocity in cahoots with hotels that charge resort fees?</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-travelocity-in-cahoots-with-hotels-that-charge-resort-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-16188</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Feds inact a law that forces Hotels to discuss all the local taxes and such, how far do you take it?  Is the next step forcing all Stores to include all Taxes and such in their advertised price?
I agree that all &quot;fees&quot; should need to be CLEARLY STATED prior to acceptting the room reservation.  Last I checked, most of these places were &quot;Hotels&quot; and not &quot;Resorts&quot;, so how do you charge a &quot;Resort Fee&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Feds inact a law that forces Hotels to discuss all the local taxes and such, how far do you take it?  Is the next step forcing all Stores to include all Taxes and such in their advertised price?<br />
I agree that all &#8220;fees&#8221; should need to be CLEARLY STATED prior to acceptting the room reservation.  Last I checked, most of these places were &#8220;Hotels&#8221; and not &#8220;Resorts&#8221;, so how do you charge a &#8220;Resort Fee&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-travelocity-in-cahoots-with-hotels-that-charge-resort-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-10627</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Fed&quot; is the Federal Reserve.  So no, they couldn&#039;t.

&quot;The Feds&quot; are the Federal Government.  Maybe they could, in cases where the ticket is being purchased from another state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Fed&#8221; is the Federal Reserve.  So no, they couldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Feds&#8221; are the Federal Government.  Maybe they could, in cases where the ticket is being purchased from another state.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ JF: I wasn&#039;t even talking about a WYSISYG law for only the travel industry. 

Couldn&#039;t the Fed (ab)use the interstate commerce law (again) to enforce a very simply WYSIWYG law on pricing in general? They could argue that you can&#039;t expect of citizens to understand the laws of other states, or even know in what state they are purchasing when they are buying something online. Do you know under what state law your working when buying from United, Amazon or Best Buy?

I&#039;d love to see the same apply to cell phone, cable, satellite and internet contracts, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ JF: I wasn&#8217;t even talking about a WYSISYG law for only the travel industry. </p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t the Fed (ab)use the interstate commerce law (again) to enforce a very simply WYSIWYG law on pricing in general? They could argue that you can&#8217;t expect of citizens to understand the laws of other states, or even know in what state they are purchasing when they are buying something online. Do you know under what state law your working when buying from United, Amazon or Best Buy?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see the same apply to cell phone, cable, satellite and internet contracts, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Would it be desirable to check on the hotel&#039;s own website after seeing the listing on Travelocity, Expedia, Orbitz, etc.?

2.  What would happen if you did not sign the hotel folio or credit card slip prior to leaving if you did not agree with the charges?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Would it be desirable to check on the hotel&#8217;s own website after seeing the listing on Travelocity, Expedia, Orbitz, etc.?</p>
<p>2.  What would happen if you did not sign the hotel folio or credit card slip prior to leaving if you did not agree with the charges?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the OP made a deal with TRAVELOCITY to pay the incidential charges.  He never made a deal with the hotel to pay the charges.  Next time, just say no.  If more people told the hotel to shove their charges, they&#039;d stop charging them.

You CAN dispute the charge after you get home.  Via credit card charge dispute process.  The claim is that you agreed to the charge under duress, or that it was not disclosed when you checked in.  If they do disclose the charge, ask to speak to a supervisor - and detail your objection to the charge.  If it is for things you will not use, like parking, or interenet access or the minibar in your room, or an upgrade that the hotel gave you [meaning all guests on &#039;that floor&#039; pay this charge] then say so.  If you a business traveler at a resort and are staying 2 nights and you arrive at 8 or 9pm or later, and leave on the 7am flight 2 nights later, are you really gonna use their spa?  A little bit goes a long way. 

In my particular cases, the managers want the business but can&#039; waive the fee, but what they CAN do is credit you for breakfast for 2 days.  You pay the fee but get a meal you would otherwise pay for anyway.  There is always more than one way to skin the cat.

@ JASPER -= I&#039;d agree with a WYSIWYG law, the problem is that hotels are in states which have 52 different laws if you include PR and DC.   The feds can easily regulate air fares, but hotels present a different issue of what their authority actually is. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the OP made a deal with TRAVELOCITY to pay the incidential charges.  He never made a deal with the hotel to pay the charges.  Next time, just say no.  If more people told the hotel to shove their charges, they&#8217;d stop charging them.</p>
<p>You CAN dispute the charge after you get home.  Via credit card charge dispute process.  The claim is that you agreed to the charge under duress, or that it was not disclosed when you checked in.  If they do disclose the charge, ask to speak to a supervisor &#8211; and detail your objection to the charge.  If it is for things you will not use, like parking, or interenet access or the minibar in your room, or an upgrade that the hotel gave you [meaning all guests on 'that floor' pay this charge] then say so.  If you a business traveler at a resort and are staying 2 nights and you arrive at 8 or 9pm or later, and leave on the 7am flight 2 nights later, are you really gonna use their spa?  A little bit goes a long way. </p>
<p>In my particular cases, the managers want the business but can&#8217; waive the fee, but what they CAN do is credit you for breakfast for 2 days.  You pay the fee but get a meal you would otherwise pay for anyway.  There is always more than one way to skin the cat.</p>
<p>@ JASPER -= I&#8217;d agree with a WYSIWYG law, the problem is that hotels are in states which have 52 different laws if you include PR and DC.   The feds can easily regulate air fares, but hotels present a different issue of what their authority actually is. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Michele N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with Jaspar&#039;s first statement--I don&#039;t think  &quot;90% of the customers are happy with a standard answer number 11&quot;. I think it is more the rest of the reasons-that they just don&#039;t feel like fighting this garbage constantly. They weigh how much time and effort it will take to get what they want/need or get their point acrossed with the seriousness of the concern and the knowledge that most likely it will go nowhere anyway. So, they drop it.  Only when substantial sums of money or injury are involved do most people really pursue anything. And the cycle continues. Its the other 10% who are willing to forge forward, usually more on principle than anything else. 

As for the resort fees, same thing happened to me last year at a hotel in Florida. Nowhere on the booking site did it mention specifically that the hotel had resort fees. I found out at checkout. Had I known, I would have either stayed somewhere else or at least used some of what I paid for!  Incidentally, I did look up the same hotel on Travelocity today and now they include the resort fee in the hotel details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with Jaspar&#8217;s first statement&#8211;I don&#8217;t think  &#8220;90% of the customers are happy with a standard answer number 11&#8243;. I think it is more the rest of the reasons-that they just don&#8217;t feel like fighting this garbage constantly. They weigh how much time and effort it will take to get what they want/need or get their point acrossed with the seriousness of the concern and the knowledge that most likely it will go nowhere anyway. So, they drop it.  Only when substantial sums of money or injury are involved do most people really pursue anything. And the cycle continues. Its the other 10% who are willing to forge forward, usually more on principle than anything else. </p>
<p>As for the resort fees, same thing happened to me last year at a hotel in Florida. Nowhere on the booking site did it mention specifically that the hotel had resort fees. I found out at checkout. Had I known, I would have either stayed somewhere else or at least used some of what I paid for!  Incidentally, I did look up the same hotel on Travelocity today and now they include the resort fee in the hotel details.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ JF: The problem is that 90% of the customers are happy with a standard answer number 11. They feel that someone has looked at their problem, and surely passed their concern over to a supervisor. &quot;Next time things will be better&quot;. Also, that answer usually comes 4 months after the complaint, so the customer has lost his anger, and is busy with other things in his life, and simply doesn&#039;t care anymore. 

And what&#039;s worse is that when you do write back to a non-answer, you either get standard answer 13, or just nothing. And who has the time to keep whining over that extra $35?

The problem is that it works for companies. It hurts them in the end because they loose customers, but they refuse to see that, and keep cutting cost (while jacking up the fees) to create lower prices.

I know you are no fan of government regulation, but I would be a big fan of a WYSIWYG law. The price they show you in advance is the final price. End-of-story. No BS with adding taxes, fees and surcharges. Aside from the fact that budgeting is impossible these days, all the taxes and surcharges are simply unfair. As a customer from far, you have no clue what the local taxes are, and I haven&#039;t seen a single hotel site that provides a list of their fees and surcharges.

I wonder in how far it constitutes fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ JF: The problem is that 90% of the customers are happy with a standard answer number 11. They feel that someone has looked at their problem, and surely passed their concern over to a supervisor. &#8220;Next time things will be better&#8221;. Also, that answer usually comes 4 months after the complaint, so the customer has lost his anger, and is busy with other things in his life, and simply doesn&#8217;t care anymore. </p>
<p>And what&#8217;s worse is that when you do write back to a non-answer, you either get standard answer 13, or just nothing. And who has the time to keep whining over that extra $35?</p>
<p>The problem is that it works for companies. It hurts them in the end because they loose customers, but they refuse to see that, and keep cutting cost (while jacking up the fees) to create lower prices.</p>
<p>I know you are no fan of government regulation, but I would be a big fan of a WYSIWYG law. The price they show you in advance is the final price. End-of-story. No BS with adding taxes, fees and surcharges. Aside from the fact that budgeting is impossible these days, all the taxes and surcharges are simply unfair. As a customer from far, you have no clue what the local taxes are, and I haven&#8217;t seen a single hotel site that provides a list of their fees and surcharges.</p>
<p>I wonder in how far it constitutes fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Resort fees Part II &#124; tripso.com - International travel news and commentary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Resort fees Part II &#124; tripso.com - International travel news and commentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Elliott writes today about a man who booked a Las Vegas hotel through Travelocity, which did not quote a $20 per night resort fee in its price estimate. Elliott takes Travelocity to task for this practice: &#8220;Travelocity [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Elliott writes today about a man who booked a Las Vegas hotel through Travelocity, which did not quote a $20 per night resort fee in its price estimate. Elliott takes Travelocity to task for this practice: &#8220;Travelocity [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-travelocity-in-cahoots-with-hotels-that-charge-resort-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-10556</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporate America needs to stop &#039;standard answer&#039; number 6 responses.  95% of an answer is non-responsive crapola, like &quot;We&#039;re glad you wrote  to us,&quot; and &quot;We&#039;re happy to respond,&quot; and &quot;thank you for having a problem we can respond to&quot; and then not answering the question.  

Are you listening Corporate America?  When you do not answer a question, when you dodge a problem and respond with stock answer number 9, you treat your customers like idiots.  Trust, that is not an impression you want to leave with your customers.  We sent you a letter which are usually complaints or problems.  The first step is understanding the question, the next step is providing a reasonably meaningful response.  

When 90% of the response is pablum and fluff, and half the time your people make no effort to understand the problem, you can see why we buy from international suppliers.  Further, when &#039;Bob&#039; from the call center in Bangla Desh responds to the letter and sends the wrong sample out because he did not really read the complaint letter, that drives your customers crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporate America needs to stop &#8216;standard answer&#8217; number 6 responses.  95% of an answer is non-responsive crapola, like &#8220;We&#8217;re glad you wrote  to us,&#8221; and &#8220;We&#8217;re happy to respond,&#8221; and &#8220;thank you for having a problem we can respond to&#8221; and then not answering the question.  </p>
<p>Are you listening Corporate America?  When you do not answer a question, when you dodge a problem and respond with stock answer number 9, you treat your customers like idiots.  Trust, that is not an impression you want to leave with your customers.  We sent you a letter which are usually complaints or problems.  The first step is understanding the question, the next step is providing a reasonably meaningful response.  </p>
<p>When 90% of the response is pablum and fluff, and half the time your people make no effort to understand the problem, you can see why we buy from international suppliers.  Further, when &#8216;Bob&#8217; from the call center in Bangla Desh responds to the letter and sends the wrong sample out because he did not really read the complaint letter, that drives your customers crazy.</p>
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