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		<title>By: Name not provided</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-screening-a-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-73311</link>
		<dc:creator>Name not provided</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get SSSS on a regular basis (10/10 flights in last month alone on a specific airline).  I don&#039;t understand it.  My flights are booked well ahead of time, always round trip, paid with my own cc, well packed luggage, and so forth.  I am a minority born in America.  I just want to be treated like the white guy next to me who changes his flight, seat, etc. last minute and still breezes right through the security checkpoints; all while he watches me (and 8000 or so minorities who made the list) get the pat down.  Is this racism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get SSSS on a regular basis (10/10 flights in last month alone on a specific airline).  I don&#8217;t understand it.  My flights are booked well ahead of time, always round trip, paid with my own cc, well packed luggage, and so forth.  I am a minority born in America.  I just want to be treated like the white guy next to me who changes his flight, seat, etc. last minute and still breezes right through the security checkpoints; all while he watches me (and 8000 or so minorities who made the list) get the pat down.  Is this racism?</p>
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		<title>By: Name Not Given</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-screening-a-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-50016</link>
		<dc:creator>Name Not Given</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get secondary screening every. single. time. i. fly.

My crimes are apparently being autistic in public and subsequently looking overwhelmed (airports are sensory HELL), flying while racially ambiguous, and I don&#039;t even know. TSA are the biggest terrorists in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get secondary screening every. single. time. i. fly.</p>
<p>My crimes are apparently being autistic in public and subsequently looking overwhelmed (airports are sensory HELL), flying while racially ambiguous, and I don&#8217;t even know. TSA are the biggest terrorists in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 04:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give  people  power  and  they  will  be  corrupted  by  it .  Only  three  percent  of  children  who  are  molested  have  it  done  to  them  by  strangers . What  percentage  have  it  done  to  them  by  preists  and  teachers ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give  people  power  and  they  will  be  corrupted  by  it .  Only  three  percent  of  children  who  are  molested  have  it  done  to  them  by  strangers . What  percentage  have  it  done  to  them  by  preists  and  teachers ?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathie in Mexico</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-screening-a-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-30369</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathie in Mexico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad that I live in Mexico. If we have to go to the US for any reason, we drive.
When I travel from Mexico (a foreign country) to Italy or Guatamala (two other foreign countries to which I have traveled) I always schedule my trip from my home city through Mexico City to my foreign destination. 99% of the time we don&#039;t have to put up with the US craziness. The seven old terrorist? OMG. The little old lady with the prosthetic devices? Again, OMG. I wonder what will happen when I have to go through the full-body screen and the X-ray (or whatever it is) finds that I have only one breast and wear a prothesis. I don&#039;t want to think about it -- it gives me a huge headache. But, hey, I&#039;ve survived 15 years w/o a right breast &amp; it doesn&#039;t embarass me in the least. But I bet that whoever insists I &#039;show&#039; them will go into cardiac arrest.
Chris: Love your column &amp; so glad to know that the summons died a natural death. But I would have sent you cookies while you were in the slammer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad that I live in Mexico. If we have to go to the US for any reason, we drive.<br />
When I travel from Mexico (a foreign country) to Italy or Guatamala (two other foreign countries to which I have traveled) I always schedule my trip from my home city through Mexico City to my foreign destination. 99% of the time we don&#8217;t have to put up with the US craziness. The seven old terrorist? OMG. The little old lady with the prosthetic devices? Again, OMG. I wonder what will happen when I have to go through the full-body screen and the X-ray (or whatever it is) finds that I have only one breast and wear a prothesis. I don&#8217;t want to think about it &#8212; it gives me a huge headache. But, hey, I&#8217;ve survived 15 years w/o a right breast &amp; it doesn&#8217;t embarass me in the least. But I bet that whoever insists I &#8216;show&#8217; them will go into cardiac arrest.<br />
Chris: Love your column &amp; so glad to know that the summons died a natural death. But I would have sent you cookies while you were in the slammer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-screening-a-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-30268</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am subject to a secondary screen every time, so I am exceedingly familiar with the process.  The reason is that I have suffered a stroke and cannot remove my shoes in line.  The &quot;appliance&quot; I wear on my right leg does not set off most alarms, but if I am wearing suspenders, the metal clips will alarm.  BTW, does anyone know why the device I wear is called an appliance and not a brace?  Quacks like a duck.  Nonetheless TSA troops have told me I should always call it an appliance as appliances and braces are subject to different procedures.  So an appliance it is.

Back on point.  Some agents are better than others.  Some are worse.  Some are a lot worse.  On balance, I find that I am mostly treated very courteously, and things seem to be getting better with time.  I think that it is very clear that I have done this procedure quite often and maybe I am getting better too.  When seated, I can allow my shoes [and appliance] to go through X-Ray and I always offer this.  It is almost never accepted.  After a quick scan with the wand and a rather quick pat-down followed by a wipe down and test of my shoes and appliance, I am on my way.  I would say that it takes an extra eight minutes to run me through.  I have learned to allow for this and it seems a small price to pay, IF it contibutes to everyone&#039;s safety.

BTW, on my last trip, the swab indicated the presence of something it didn&#039;t like and all sorts of alarms went off.  Everybody was pretty calm and they pulled me aside, took the swab to another machine where all was well.  They sent me on my way while an agent re-calibrated the first machine.

I wouldn&#039;t want the TSA agent&#039;s job.  I have accumulated over 5 million miles in various frequent flier programs, and frankly as best as I can tell, the veteran fliers handle things so much better than those who fly less. It is the same way with delays, lost luggage, and other disappointments of air travel.

Flying is a vastly different experience than it used to be.  Some things are good, many are bad, some very bad.  There is terrorism, and there are vastly lower coach fares.  There are skimpy or no meals and meals you must pay for.  There are absurdly small seats and pitch.  Thing you used to get for free now cost and some are gone forever.  Welcome to the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am subject to a secondary screen every time, so I am exceedingly familiar with the process.  The reason is that I have suffered a stroke and cannot remove my shoes in line.  The &#8220;appliance&#8221; I wear on my right leg does not set off most alarms, but if I am wearing suspenders, the metal clips will alarm.  BTW, does anyone know why the device I wear is called an appliance and not a brace?  Quacks like a duck.  Nonetheless TSA troops have told me I should always call it an appliance as appliances and braces are subject to different procedures.  So an appliance it is.</p>
<p>Back on point.  Some agents are better than others.  Some are worse.  Some are a lot worse.  On balance, I find that I am mostly treated very courteously, and things seem to be getting better with time.  I think that it is very clear that I have done this procedure quite often and maybe I am getting better too.  When seated, I can allow my shoes [and appliance] to go through X-Ray and I always offer this.  It is almost never accepted.  After a quick scan with the wand and a rather quick pat-down followed by a wipe down and test of my shoes and appliance, I am on my way.  I would say that it takes an extra eight minutes to run me through.  I have learned to allow for this and it seems a small price to pay, IF it contibutes to everyone&#8217;s safety.</p>
<p>BTW, on my last trip, the swab indicated the presence of something it didn&#8217;t like and all sorts of alarms went off.  Everybody was pretty calm and they pulled me aside, took the swab to another machine where all was well.  They sent me on my way while an agent re-calibrated the first machine.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want the TSA agent&#8217;s job.  I have accumulated over 5 million miles in various frequent flier programs, and frankly as best as I can tell, the veteran fliers handle things so much better than those who fly less. It is the same way with delays, lost luggage, and other disappointments of air travel.</p>
<p>Flying is a vastly different experience than it used to be.  Some things are good, many are bad, some very bad.  There is terrorism, and there are vastly lower coach fares.  There are skimpy or no meals and meals you must pay for.  There are absurdly small seats and pitch.  Thing you used to get for free now cost and some are gone forever.  Welcome to the future.</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 64 year old woman who has had 4 joint replacements, I am continually treated rudely and  humiliated by the TSA agents.  I travel in my own small portable scooter or use one of the airline wheelchairs.  The metal in my replacements always sets off the alarms.  I have had the agents look down the INSIDE of my underwear, feel under and between my breasts with their hands, require me to walk through the detector without my cane where I almost fell , had my hands dusted for bomb residue, and tell me that if she knew what a terrorist &quot;looked like&quot;, her job would be much easier.  I replied that terrorists are all able bodied and can walk. I&#039;ve been asked if any part of my body is sensitive to touch and I replied that all of my body is sensitive to touch by a stranger.  At least that one time, she used a wand instead of feeling me up with her hands.       None of this makes any of us one bit safer and FYI, anyone who has had a joint replacement goes through a great deal of constant pain and no one does this unless they really want to LIVE.  In case anyone thinks I&#039;m treated like this because I don&#039;t sit quietly and take it, the time I did that was when the TSA agent felt my breasts with her hands.  The next man in a wheelchair  was barely conscious and went through the same indignations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 64 year old woman who has had 4 joint replacements, I am continually treated rudely and  humiliated by the TSA agents.  I travel in my own small portable scooter or use one of the airline wheelchairs.  The metal in my replacements always sets off the alarms.  I have had the agents look down the INSIDE of my underwear, feel under and between my breasts with their hands, require me to walk through the detector without my cane where I almost fell , had my hands dusted for bomb residue, and tell me that if she knew what a terrorist &#8220;looked like&#8221;, her job would be much easier.  I replied that terrorists are all able bodied and can walk. I&#8217;ve been asked if any part of my body is sensitive to touch and I replied that all of my body is sensitive to touch by a stranger.  At least that one time, she used a wand instead of feeling me up with her hands.       None of this makes any of us one bit safer and FYI, anyone who has had a joint replacement goes through a great deal of constant pain and no one does this unless they really want to LIVE.  In case anyone thinks I&#8217;m treated like this because I don&#8217;t sit quietly and take it, the time I did that was when the TSA agent felt my breasts with her hands.  The next man in a wheelchair  was barely conscious and went through the same indignations.</p>
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		<title>By: frostysnowman</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-screening-a-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-12168</link>
		<dc:creator>frostysnowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a story I didn&#039;t see among these many posts.  I travel for business, and in 2005 I was obviously pregnant during many of my trips.  I was pulled aside for special screening during one of the first trips I took when I had stared &quot;to show&quot;.  Being hormonal, and upset about being pulled aside, I started crying and saying how much I did not want to be touched - not my proudest moment, but as I said I was hormonal.  Anyway, the TSA person who was in the special screening area, showing absolutely no compassion, stated that I &quot;obviously hadn&#039;t heard&quot; about the women in Russia (yes, Russia) who had recently tried to sneak bombs on a plane under prothestic maternity bellies.  So as a result, they were checking me &quot;as a precaution&quot;.  And it wasn&#039;t just me, because two or three other pregnant women showed up in the screening area while I was there.  And this happened EVERY TIME that I traveled anywhere over the next few months, on every flight.  I did stick to my guns about not being touched and the TSA staff agreed to wand me, but I always had to lift my shirt up a bit during the wanding and I felt really humiliated each time this occured.  I was so happy when my doctor grounded me from travel as I got into the last stages of my pregnancy!

Traveling used to be fun...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a story I didn&#8217;t see among these many posts.  I travel for business, and in 2005 I was obviously pregnant during many of my trips.  I was pulled aside for special screening during one of the first trips I took when I had stared &#8220;to show&#8221;.  Being hormonal, and upset about being pulled aside, I started crying and saying how much I did not want to be touched &#8211; not my proudest moment, but as I said I was hormonal.  Anyway, the TSA person who was in the special screening area, showing absolutely no compassion, stated that I &#8220;obviously hadn&#8217;t heard&#8221; about the women in Russia (yes, Russia) who had recently tried to sneak bombs on a plane under prothestic maternity bellies.  So as a result, they were checking me &#8220;as a precaution&#8221;.  And it wasn&#8217;t just me, because two or three other pregnant women showed up in the screening area while I was there.  And this happened EVERY TIME that I traveled anywhere over the next few months, on every flight.  I did stick to my guns about not being touched and the TSA staff agreed to wand me, but I always had to lift my shirt up a bit during the wanding and I felt really humiliated each time this occured.  I was so happy when my doctor grounded me from travel as I got into the last stages of my pregnancy!</p>
<p>Traveling used to be fun&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Susan I always prefer to have MY Civil Liberties violated. 

The Feds got everyone used to this abuse of power in the name of security, Maybe next they can confiscate all of our weapons, kinda like Germany did in the 1930&#039;s.

But hey it&#039;s only a little extra time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Susan I always prefer to have MY Civil Liberties violated. </p>
<p>The Feds got everyone used to this abuse of power in the name of security, Maybe next they can confiscate all of our weapons, kinda like Germany did in the 1930&#8242;s.</p>
<p>But hey it&#8217;s only a little extra time.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-screening-a-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-10423</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got back from a spring break trip with my husband and two teens.  Because of weather, our original flight which was booked 6 weeks ahead was cancelled.  When we were able to get on a later flight, we all had the SSSS designation for secondary screening.  Returning, our flight was cancelled because of aircraft inspections and we were rebooked on another flight. Again we got the SSSS designations.  Did our tickets look like last minute purchases?  Seems strange that we got the designation after our original flights were cancelled by the airline.  Regardless, it was a slightly longer wait and a tiny bit of inconvenience but not a horrific event by any means.  If I really minded it terribly, I would drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got back from a spring break trip with my husband and two teens.  Because of weather, our original flight which was booked 6 weeks ahead was cancelled.  When we were able to get on a later flight, we all had the SSSS designation for secondary screening.  Returning, our flight was cancelled because of aircraft inspections and we were rebooked on another flight. Again we got the SSSS designations.  Did our tickets look like last minute purchases?  Seems strange that we got the designation after our original flights were cancelled by the airline.  Regardless, it was a slightly longer wait and a tiny bit of inconvenience but not a horrific event by any means.  If I really minded it terribly, I would drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Moira J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moira J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it is because I grew up immersed in Cold War spy thrillers that I see that the seemingly invasive and tiresome screening is warranted.  Although this does not sit well with many people, in the eyes of the security authorities, each of us is a potential terrorist.  If only they showed the same enthusiasm for checked luggage because this is where the true problem lies.  Remember the Lockerbie and Air India incidents.  

However, sometimes I can&#039;t help but be amused by these airport antics.  I try not to argue or show resentment because I know what the consequences will be.  Some of my experiences with security:

Heathrow - asked for my camera to be hand inspected.  Outright refusal.  Got approval to finish shooting the film.  Pointed it at a blank wall and clicked.  My hand was hit by the agent and I almost dropped the camera in shock.  Was told to point it at the floor.

Detroit - my boots had a metal shank that set off something.  Was told to remove them and they were taken away.  Was shunted to another area where another agent told me to &quot;spread &#039;em.&quot;  Was confused and it took me a few seconds to realize what she was talking about.  Then she told me that she would possibly have to touch me in &quot;private&quot; places.  Prepared myself to hit her if she got out of line.  Thank goodness she didn&#039;t.

Orlando - travelling with my 15-year-old grandson, he was told to remove his running shoes.  I asked if I needed to remove mine (loafers).  She looked at them and said no, but they were on the &quot;cusp.&quot;

Toronto - unopened bottle of water I was holding was confiscated and a supervisor had to be called to decide whether my shoe polish should go the same way.  I was allowed to keep it.

Toronto - a father accompanied by his family argued with the agents over something that they wanted to take away from his son.  He refused to back down.  The entire family was removed from the line by a supervisor and taken away.  Don&#039;t know if they ever made their flight.

Toronto - on our last trip, when my husband was asked to empty his pockets, he brought out a pocket knife.  I was appalled.  Sure he knew better but had forgotten that he had it.  It was seized and thankfully, he was not rebuked.  
 
Lisbon - had to remove all outer clothing, and purse, laptop and hand luggage had to be opened.  Even our walking canes were inspected.  Since there was only one lane open, we held up the queue for several minutes while we put everything back together and made sure all was accounted for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it is because I grew up immersed in Cold War spy thrillers that I see that the seemingly invasive and tiresome screening is warranted.  Although this does not sit well with many people, in the eyes of the security authorities, each of us is a potential terrorist.  If only they showed the same enthusiasm for checked luggage because this is where the true problem lies.  Remember the Lockerbie and Air India incidents.  </p>
<p>However, sometimes I can&#8217;t help but be amused by these airport antics.  I try not to argue or show resentment because I know what the consequences will be.  Some of my experiences with security:</p>
<p>Heathrow &#8211; asked for my camera to be hand inspected.  Outright refusal.  Got approval to finish shooting the film.  Pointed it at a blank wall and clicked.  My hand was hit by the agent and I almost dropped the camera in shock.  Was told to point it at the floor.</p>
<p>Detroit &#8211; my boots had a metal shank that set off something.  Was told to remove them and they were taken away.  Was shunted to another area where another agent told me to &#8220;spread &#8216;em.&#8221;  Was confused and it took me a few seconds to realize what she was talking about.  Then she told me that she would possibly have to touch me in &#8220;private&#8221; places.  Prepared myself to hit her if she got out of line.  Thank goodness she didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Orlando &#8211; travelling with my 15-year-old grandson, he was told to remove his running shoes.  I asked if I needed to remove mine (loafers).  She looked at them and said no, but they were on the &#8220;cusp.&#8221;</p>
<p>Toronto &#8211; unopened bottle of water I was holding was confiscated and a supervisor had to be called to decide whether my shoe polish should go the same way.  I was allowed to keep it.</p>
<p>Toronto &#8211; a father accompanied by his family argued with the agents over something that they wanted to take away from his son.  He refused to back down.  The entire family was removed from the line by a supervisor and taken away.  Don&#8217;t know if they ever made their flight.</p>
<p>Toronto &#8211; on our last trip, when my husband was asked to empty his pockets, he brought out a pocket knife.  I was appalled.  Sure he knew better but had forgotten that he had it.  It was seized and thankfully, he was not rebuked.  </p>
<p>Lisbon &#8211; had to remove all outer clothing, and purse, laptop and hand luggage had to be opened.  Even our walking canes were inspected.  Since there was only one lane open, we held up the queue for several minutes while we put everything back together and made sure all was accounted for.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While returning from a research trip to London in late June 2006, I was bumped from my British Airways flight from LHR to ORD. BA was kind enough to rebook my flight, set up lodgings for the night, compensate me with a £400 cash card, and book me a flight from ORD to MSP on American Airlines to get me closer to Fargo, ND, where my bother was getting married the day I was now scheduled to arrive. (The BA supervisor couldn&#039;t believe that the closest AA-servicing airport to Fargo was four hours away in Minneapolis.) When I arrived in ORD, I discovered that BA had neglected to put my luggage on the same flight, and it would follow me to MSP later. As the BA flight was late in arriving and I had merely half an hour to get to the AA flight, I hurried through customs and went to the ticketing level, business class (as I had been told by the BA baggage supervisor) to get my ticket quickly. 

The ticket I received had the dreaded &quot;SSSS&quot; designation. Did I receive this because I approached the business class counter while having an economy class ticket? Or was this because I did not arrive with luggage and thus looked suspicious? If a good portion of travelers experience similar treatment after approaching an airline counter out of their class, would airline counter representatives be complicit in the game to use secondary screening to punish passengers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While returning from a research trip to London in late June 2006, I was bumped from my British Airways flight from LHR to ORD. BA was kind enough to rebook my flight, set up lodgings for the night, compensate me with a £400 cash card, and book me a flight from ORD to MSP on American Airlines to get me closer to Fargo, ND, where my bother was getting married the day I was now scheduled to arrive. (The BA supervisor couldn&#8217;t believe that the closest AA-servicing airport to Fargo was four hours away in Minneapolis.) When I arrived in ORD, I discovered that BA had neglected to put my luggage on the same flight, and it would follow me to MSP later. As the BA flight was late in arriving and I had merely half an hour to get to the AA flight, I hurried through customs and went to the ticketing level, business class (as I had been told by the BA baggage supervisor) to get my ticket quickly. </p>
<p>The ticket I received had the dreaded &#8220;SSSS&#8221; designation. Did I receive this because I approached the business class counter while having an economy class ticket? Or was this because I did not arrive with luggage and thus looked suspicious? If a good portion of travelers experience similar treatment after approaching an airline counter out of their class, would airline counter representatives be complicit in the game to use secondary screening to punish passengers?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-screening-a-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-9925</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The TSA is a perfect example of how a police state gets started.  Read Naomi Wolf&#039;s &quot;The End of America&quot; to see how it fits in.  Of course the conversation here isn&#039;t going to get at it.  The drones who work on the TSA front lines range from people on a power trip and burger flippers in disguise to people who actually think they are protecting their country by what they do... because that&#039;s what they&#039;ve been told.  Arguing with them isn&#039;t going to amount to a hill of beans.  You need to look many rungs higher in the political ladder to get the picture.  The TSA&#039;s policies weren&#039;t created for the fun of the screeners.  And they weren&#039;t created to make us safer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The TSA is a perfect example of how a police state gets started.  Read Naomi Wolf&#8217;s &#8220;The End of America&#8221; to see how it fits in.  Of course the conversation here isn&#8217;t going to get at it.  The drones who work on the TSA front lines range from people on a power trip and burger flippers in disguise to people who actually think they are protecting their country by what they do&#8230; because that&#8217;s what they&#8217;ve been told.  Arguing with them isn&#8217;t going to amount to a hill of beans.  You need to look many rungs higher in the political ladder to get the picture.  The TSA&#8217;s policies weren&#8217;t created for the fun of the screeners.  And they weren&#8217;t created to make us safer.</p>
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		<title>By: PineyBob</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-screening-a-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-9818</link>
		<dc:creator>PineyBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kimberly W,

Nice deflection from the truth. Do the Metal Detectors at the screening checkpoints detect explosives? The answer would be NO.

Once you admit that your agency is window dressing for Ma &amp; Pa Kettle take their 2.2 kids to Disney World feel secure, then you are on the right path.

It&#039;s a mojor league joke, a violation of our civil liberties and serves no valid purpose except to employ law enforcement wannabes who can&#039;t pass the psych evaluations for &quot;real&quot; Law Enforcements Officers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kimberly W,</p>
<p>Nice deflection from the truth. Do the Metal Detectors at the screening checkpoints detect explosives? The answer would be NO.</p>
<p>Once you admit that your agency is window dressing for Ma &amp; Pa Kettle take their 2.2 kids to Disney World feel secure, then you are on the right path.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a mojor league joke, a violation of our civil liberties and serves no valid purpose except to employ law enforcement wannabes who can&#8217;t pass the psych evaluations for &#8220;real&#8221; Law Enforcements Officers</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly W</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-screening-a-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-9781</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimberly W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a TSO, I will tell you that the TSO in question probably should not have sent you in for more screening. You are right in that secondary screening is supposed to happen when certain circumstances are met, some of which you listed. Additionally, secondary screening is supposed to be done randomly.

I didn&#039;t even read all the comments... but I did notice the very last one. Some x-ray machines CAN detect explosives... the ones for checked baggage do. Additionally, you can tell from the x-ray image if the shoe has been altered and if there are components in there for bombs. People can also hide other things in their shoes. If the shoes look suspicious then they are tested further... which includes testing for, ahem, explosives.

Everyone complains about the liquid rules. Everyone knows these regulations by now, so don&#039;t complain when we have to throw away your $90 bottle of cologne. You knew the limit, so you should have put it in your checked bag. Many of you think the limits are silly. However, if the ban on liquids was fully lifted, then the screening process would take even longer. We would probably be required to test at least a portion of liquids... which would take FOREVER. Also, with the addition of liquids in bags, it will cause more bags to be searched. I cannot fully explain my logic, as I cannot tell you certain things about our training, but just trust me on that one.

I understand that some of the TSA officers seem/are rude to passengers. Please understand how many people they have to deal with everyday. Some people are just plain dumb and cannot follow simple directions. Others don&#039;t understand English. Others will give the TSO a hard time because they don&#039;t like the protocol. We deal with rude people every day. Understand that the TSOs do not make the rules. Many of us do not agree with every single one of the procedures. We do the best that we can with what we are given and what we are told to do. The TSA is still a fairly new government agency and is working towards making the screening process easier for all involved. To be honest... some of the screeners are just rude people, but you will find rude cashiers, rude police officers, rude bankers... you name it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a TSO, I will tell you that the TSO in question probably should not have sent you in for more screening. You are right in that secondary screening is supposed to happen when certain circumstances are met, some of which you listed. Additionally, secondary screening is supposed to be done randomly.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t even read all the comments&#8230; but I did notice the very last one. Some x-ray machines CAN detect explosives&#8230; the ones for checked baggage do. Additionally, you can tell from the x-ray image if the shoe has been altered and if there are components in there for bombs. People can also hide other things in their shoes. If the shoes look suspicious then they are tested further&#8230; which includes testing for, ahem, explosives.</p>
<p>Everyone complains about the liquid rules. Everyone knows these regulations by now, so don&#8217;t complain when we have to throw away your $90 bottle of cologne. You knew the limit, so you should have put it in your checked bag. Many of you think the limits are silly. However, if the ban on liquids was fully lifted, then the screening process would take even longer. We would probably be required to test at least a portion of liquids&#8230; which would take FOREVER. Also, with the addition of liquids in bags, it will cause more bags to be searched. I cannot fully explain my logic, as I cannot tell you certain things about our training, but just trust me on that one.</p>
<p>I understand that some of the TSA officers seem/are rude to passengers. Please understand how many people they have to deal with everyday. Some people are just plain dumb and cannot follow simple directions. Others don&#8217;t understand English. Others will give the TSO a hard time because they don&#8217;t like the protocol. We deal with rude people every day. Understand that the TSOs do not make the rules. Many of us do not agree with every single one of the procedures. We do the best that we can with what we are given and what we are told to do. The TSA is still a fairly new government agency and is working towards making the screening process easier for all involved. To be honest&#8230; some of the screeners are just rude people, but you will find rude cashiers, rude police officers, rude bankers&#8230; you name it.</p>
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		<title>By: PineyBob</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-screening-a-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-9700</link>
		<dc:creator>PineyBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well violence begets violence so you may &quot;Pop&quot; me at your liesure. Karmic Backlash? What if my Dogma eats your Karma for lunch? Some of us don&#039;t buy into the concept of Karma.

Fact is none of us should be subjected to any of their nonsense. My uncle landed on Normandy in &#039;44 to prevent all of us from having to endure the abuse of power by the TSA.

Those who would trade a little liberty or a little security deserve neither.

TSA is rude by definition. It&#039;s always rude to suspend civil liberties under the guise of security. Even though they speak nicely, by their mere existance they are an afront to every value that this country was founded upon and that is the ultimate rudeness.

Oh and did I mention Kip Hawley is a moron! X-rays can&#039;t detect explosives. Ponder that as you remove your shoes next time you travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well violence begets violence so you may &#8220;Pop&#8221; me at your liesure. Karmic Backlash? What if my Dogma eats your Karma for lunch? Some of us don&#8217;t buy into the concept of Karma.</p>
<p>Fact is none of us should be subjected to any of their nonsense. My uncle landed on Normandy in &#8217;44 to prevent all of us from having to endure the abuse of power by the TSA.</p>
<p>Those who would trade a little liberty or a little security deserve neither.</p>
<p>TSA is rude by definition. It&#8217;s always rude to suspend civil liberties under the guise of security. Even though they speak nicely, by their mere existance they are an afront to every value that this country was founded upon and that is the ultimate rudeness.</p>
<p>Oh and did I mention Kip Hawley is a moron! X-rays can&#8217;t detect explosives. Ponder that as you remove your shoes next time you travel.</p>
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