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		<title>By: de viaje a Brasil &#187; Blog Archive &#187; El escándalo de las guías de Lonely Planet</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-kohnstamm-lying-about-lying/comment-page-1/#comment-11413</link>
		<dc:creator>de viaje a Brasil &#187; Blog Archive &#187; El escándalo de las guías de Lonely Planet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] la polémica- declara que ha aceptado viajes pagados. Por utilizar la expresión de Chris Elliot (Is Kohnstamm lying about lying?), ¿y qué? ¿Conocéis a algún periodista de viajes que nunca haya viajado con algún gasto [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] la polémica- declara que ha aceptado viajes pagados. Por utilizar la expresión de Chris Elliot (Is Kohnstamm lying about lying?), ¿y qué? ¿Conocéis a algún periodista de viajes que nunca haya viajado con algún gasto [...]</p>
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		<title>By: KP</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-kohnstamm-lying-about-lying/comment-page-1/#comment-11373</link>
		<dc:creator>KP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Planet and we sell fictional travel guides…for couch potatoes who never leave the living room anyways.&quot;

Three excellent ones: Phaic Tan, San Sombrero, and Molvania. Now that&#039;s what you call a great guidebook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Planet and we sell fictional travel guides…for couch potatoes who never leave the living room anyways.&#8221;</p>
<p>Three excellent ones: Phaic Tan, San Sombrero, and Molvania. Now that&#8217;s what you call a great guidebook.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Kummel</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-kohnstamm-lying-about-lying/comment-page-1/#comment-11256</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Kummel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...who is this &quot;Kohnstamm&quot; and why should I care? I&#039;m sorry..while I think that everybody deserves the right to make a living wage, I take the majority of my travel information from people who don&#039;t get paid to write stories...
Ed
web/gadget guru</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;who is this &#8220;Kohnstamm&#8221; and why should I care? I&#8217;m sorry..while I think that everybody deserves the right to make a living wage, I take the majority of my travel information from people who don&#8217;t get paid to write stories&#8230;<br />
Ed<br />
web/gadget guru</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-kohnstamm-lying-about-lying/comment-page-1/#comment-11249</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d dismiss this all as hype if I hadn&#039;t found the LP South America guidebook  a better firestarter than guide one cold night in the Patagonia.  I wasn&#039;t a bit surprised to find this book was one that Kohnstamm partly wrote.  Boy, this guy is coming off in the press as a meathead winer - the type of guy I definitely don&#039;t want to run into when traveling!  LP has definitely had growing pains over the years but they&#039;ve successfully been by my side through many adventures around various countries.  I did stop following their hotel recommendations about 10 years ago but I still love the overview these book give.  Remember they only claim to be guidebooks to guide you; they never claimed to be a set in stone itinerary of what you should do minute by minute.  Some of their writers still pour their hearts and souls into these books - the Bolivia book a few iterations ago was a major stand-out.  I guess that just like in any industry there are people with integrity (thanks Chris!) and those that we could do without.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d dismiss this all as hype if I hadn&#8217;t found the LP South America guidebook  a better firestarter than guide one cold night in the Patagonia.  I wasn&#8217;t a bit surprised to find this book was one that Kohnstamm partly wrote.  Boy, this guy is coming off in the press as a meathead winer &#8211; the type of guy I definitely don&#8217;t want to run into when traveling!  LP has definitely had growing pains over the years but they&#8217;ve successfully been by my side through many adventures around various countries.  I did stop following their hotel recommendations about 10 years ago but I still love the overview these book give.  Remember they only claim to be guidebooks to guide you; they never claimed to be a set in stone itinerary of what you should do minute by minute.  Some of their writers still pour their hearts and souls into these books &#8211; the Bolivia book a few iterations ago was a major stand-out.  I guess that just like in any industry there are people with integrity (thanks Chris!) and those that we could do without.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Z.</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-kohnstamm-lying-about-lying/comment-page-1/#comment-11228</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Z.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There an ethical dilemma here, which adds this to the list of authors with questionable tactics.  So, as you suggest, Chris, let&#039;s get some perspective; I wonder if Kohnstamm would be willing to tell us...

1.  When WAS he last in Colombia?  And why couldn&#039;t he offer that &quot;full disclosure&quot; right up front?

2.  Does LP permit its writers to accept comps?  It may be SOP (standard operating procedure), but if LP is paying him, shouldn&#039;t he be playing by their rules?

3.  Given that he&#039;s expending much more energy to hype his &quot;tell-all&quot; book, may we assume he won&#039;t continue writing these guides?  Or, if he does, will he be honest enough to tell us whether the contents reflect his recent visits and experiences, rather than what happened years ago (and could likely have changed)?

You&#039;re right, Chris, the must-read book will be an HONEST look behind the scenes.  So what are you waiting for -- start writing?    ;&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There an ethical dilemma here, which adds this to the list of authors with questionable tactics.  So, as you suggest, Chris, let&#8217;s get some perspective; I wonder if Kohnstamm would be willing to tell us&#8230;</p>
<p>1.  When WAS he last in Colombia?  And why couldn&#8217;t he offer that &#8220;full disclosure&#8221; right up front?</p>
<p>2.  Does LP permit its writers to accept comps?  It may be SOP (standard operating procedure), but if LP is paying him, shouldn&#8217;t he be playing by their rules?</p>
<p>3.  Given that he&#8217;s expending much more energy to hype his &#8220;tell-all&#8221; book, may we assume he won&#8217;t continue writing these guides?  Or, if he does, will he be honest enough to tell us whether the contents reflect his recent visits and experiences, rather than what happened years ago (and could likely have changed)?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, Chris, the must-read book will be an HONEST look behind the scenes.  So what are you waiting for &#8212; start writing?    ;&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: pam</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-kohnstamm-lying-about-lying/comment-page-1/#comment-11047</link>
		<dc:creator>pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things:

1. World Hum has an interview with the bad boy travel writer in which he
 explains the &quot;fiasco.&quot; It seems that Kohnstamm&#039;s biggest faux pas was that
 he&#039;s just not that funny. I reckon he thinks he was being funny, but he just
 sounds like a jerk.
 http://www.worldhum.com/qanda/item/thomas_kohnstamm_the_firestorm_around_do_travel_writers_go_to_hell_20080414/

  2. I blogged quite a bit about the trials and tribulations of being a
 travel writer while working on a new Hawaii guidebook title last winter.
 wrote about how an airlines offered me comped flights if I&#039;d list their line
 as the sole provider of flights to Hawaii and how an attractions operator
 blasted me when I asked him if my participation in his attraction would be
 comped - his &quot;invitation&quot; came via a service that was burying me in comp
 offers, but he wasn&#039;t clear about the terms in his email. Forgive the vanity link, but if you&#039;re interested:

  http://www.nerdseyeview.com/blog/2007/10/20/playing-for-the-house/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things:</p>
<p>1. World Hum has an interview with the bad boy travel writer in which he<br />
 explains the &#8220;fiasco.&#8221; It seems that Kohnstamm&#8217;s biggest faux pas was that<br />
 he&#8217;s just not that funny. I reckon he thinks he was being funny, but he just<br />
 sounds like a jerk.<br />
 <a href="http://www.worldhum.com/qanda/item/thomas_kohnstamm_the_firestorm_around_do_travel_writers_go_to_hell_20080414/" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldhum.com/qanda/item/thomas_kohnstamm_the_firestorm_around_do_travel_writers_go_to_hell_20080414/</a></p>
<p>  2. I blogged quite a bit about the trials and tribulations of being a<br />
 travel writer while working on a new Hawaii guidebook title last winter.<br />
 wrote about how an airlines offered me comped flights if I&#8217;d list their line<br />
 as the sole provider of flights to Hawaii and how an attractions operator<br />
 blasted me when I asked him if my participation in his attraction would be<br />
 comped &#8211; his &#8220;invitation&#8221; came via a service that was burying me in comp<br />
 offers, but he wasn&#8217;t clear about the terms in his email. Forgive the vanity link, but if you&#8217;re interested:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.nerdseyeview.com/blog/2007/10/20/playing-for-the-house/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nerdseyeview.com/blog/2007/10/20/playing-for-the-house/</a></p>
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		<title>By: JARaphs</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-kohnstamm-lying-about-lying/comment-page-1/#comment-11046</link>
		<dc:creator>JARaphs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree w Jasper&#039;s comment re: LP.  It is solid all around, but rarely stellar.  Last summer, I used Moon Handbooks for two very different trips - Baja California &amp; the Canadian Rockies.  Both were on the mark in terms of great suggestions, accurate assessments of hotel, dining and sightseeing options, and full of clear maps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree w Jasper&#8217;s comment re: LP.  It is solid all around, but rarely stellar.  Last summer, I used Moon Handbooks for two very different trips &#8211; Baja California &amp; the Canadian Rockies.  Both were on the mark in terms of great suggestions, accurate assessments of hotel, dining and sightseeing options, and full of clear maps.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Fiermonte</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-kohnstamm-lying-about-lying/comment-page-1/#comment-11040</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Fiermonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>World adventure on the cheap, plagiarism, sex with chicks and drugs?  Sounds like college to me.  OK, this is a feature length film on publishing hoaxes if I ever saw one.  Oh wait, they did that already with the movie aptly titled Hoax with that sexy Gere fella.  Oh well.

I can only imagine the press conference on this one.  Reminiscent of the blowhard spin lie of “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”  A spokesman of Lonely Planet (now owned by the BBC), might be  overheard also saying, “Maybe this is a blessing in disguise.  We should spin off a new division, call it Fake Planet and we sell fictional travel guides…for couch potatoes who never leave the living room anyways.  Yeah yeah, that’s the ticket.  The tag line could be:  Safe travels to a fake planet.  No fuss, no harm, no foul.” 

Tony and Maureen Wheeler are probably vomiting and popping valium right now over the negative attention.  Gotta love big business.  Anything for a un-vetted, rush-to-the-shelves, almighty publishing buck.  Hey Tony, remember the days of six sigma and total quality assurance?  Well you could always go on Oprah and sell some fake books.  Others did.  

Note to Kate Hanni:  get cracking on changing your coalition’s name again, The Coalition for Passenger Rights, Health, Safety and Truth in Travel.

Truth in travel.  Now there’s a concept!!!!  

Gotta run.  My outdoor fireplace is heating up.  And I am having a good ol’ fashioned book burning tonight.  Beer and chips for the campfire, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>World adventure on the cheap, plagiarism, sex with chicks and drugs?  Sounds like college to me.  OK, this is a feature length film on publishing hoaxes if I ever saw one.  Oh wait, they did that already with the movie aptly titled Hoax with that sexy Gere fella.  Oh well.</p>
<p>I can only imagine the press conference on this one.  Reminiscent of the blowhard spin lie of “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”  A spokesman of Lonely Planet (now owned by the BBC), might be  overheard also saying, “Maybe this is a blessing in disguise.  We should spin off a new division, call it Fake Planet and we sell fictional travel guides…for couch potatoes who never leave the living room anyways.  Yeah yeah, that’s the ticket.  The tag line could be:  Safe travels to a fake planet.  No fuss, no harm, no foul.” </p>
<p>Tony and Maureen Wheeler are probably vomiting and popping valium right now over the negative attention.  Gotta love big business.  Anything for a un-vetted, rush-to-the-shelves, almighty publishing buck.  Hey Tony, remember the days of six sigma and total quality assurance?  Well you could always go on Oprah and sell some fake books.  Others did.  </p>
<p>Note to Kate Hanni:  get cracking on changing your coalition’s name again, The Coalition for Passenger Rights, Health, Safety and Truth in Travel.</p>
<p>Truth in travel.  Now there’s a concept!!!!  </p>
<p>Gotta run.  My outdoor fireplace is heating up.  And I am having a good ol’ fashioned book burning tonight.  Beer and chips for the campfire, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Blog de Viajes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Los escritores de viajes van al infierno</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-kohnstamm-lying-about-lying/comment-page-1/#comment-11031</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog de Viajes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Los escritores de viajes van al infierno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2: Chris Elliott analiza las declaraciones de Kohnstamm y pone en duda algunos de sus dichos. En este enlace  SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &quot;Los escritores de viajes van al infierno&quot;, url: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2: Chris Elliott analiza las declaraciones de Kohnstamm y pone en duda algunos de sus dichos. En este enlace  SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &#8220;Los escritores de viajes van al infierno&#8221;, url: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-kohnstamm-lying-about-lying/comment-page-1/#comment-11030</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yawn.,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yawn.,</p>
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