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	<title>Comments on: Is Hilton HHonors&#8217; &#8220;No Blackout Dates&#8221; pledge a lie?</title>
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		<title>By: Marshallparrish</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-hilton-hhonors-no-blackout-dates-pledge-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-73919</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshallparrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The exact thing has happened to me today.  I made copies of the standard reservation, the availability on-line of the standard room, and my subsequent booking of the standard rate.  What recoarse do we have for the HILTON Honors group being dishonest??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The exact thing has happened to me today.  I made copies of the standard reservation, the availability on-line of the standard room, and my subsequent booking of the standard rate.  What recoarse do we have for the HILTON Honors group being dishonest??</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-hilton-hhonors-no-blackout-dates-pledge-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-53658</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Hilton stand up for the Honors members? Yes they do based on my experience. Having said that however, The hotel owner ultimately has the last word. I was just denied a room using my points that was available if I had paid cash/credit for the room. Yes they did have a standard room ( it seems the hotel owner decides what that means) but not with a king bed. When I stay at a Hilton property I ALWAYS pay for a king room. So why can&#039;t I get a king room when I try to use my points? I understand that the hotel owner wants to get the most money possible for a room, and if they think they can get another guest to pay more they will not let an Honor&#039;s member have that room. If I always got the least expensive room available when I check into any of their hotels, the policy would seem fair. If a specific hotel (like the Doubletree in Gatlinburg Tennessee) wants more money why don&#039;t they ask for a reasonable upgrade charge. I was looking forward to a few days off relaxing in a nice hotel that was my reward for being loyal to a brand. Unfortunately that won&#039;t be the case, and all of our comments on this issue will not make any difference. I wish my customers would use this type of forum to let me know what I could do strengthen my relationship, and put them in the &quot;expect to retain this customer&quot; column.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Hilton stand up for the Honors members? Yes they do based on my experience. Having said that however, The hotel owner ultimately has the last word. I was just denied a room using my points that was available if I had paid cash/credit for the room. Yes they did have a standard room ( it seems the hotel owner decides what that means) but not with a king bed. When I stay at a Hilton property I ALWAYS pay for a king room. So why can&#8217;t I get a king room when I try to use my points? I understand that the hotel owner wants to get the most money possible for a room, and if they think they can get another guest to pay more they will not let an Honor&#8217;s member have that room. If I always got the least expensive room available when I check into any of their hotels, the policy would seem fair. If a specific hotel (like the Doubletree in Gatlinburg Tennessee) wants more money why don&#8217;t they ask for a reasonable upgrade charge. I was looking forward to a few days off relaxing in a nice hotel that was my reward for being loyal to a brand. Unfortunately that won&#8217;t be the case, and all of our comments on this issue will not make any difference. I wish my customers would use this type of forum to let me know what I could do strengthen my relationship, and put them in the &#8220;expect to retain this customer&#8221; column.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-hilton-hhonors-no-blackout-dates-pledge-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-48628</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@C

You may be interested to know that Marriott and Starwood do the same thing as Hilton so you won&#039;t find anything different at Marriott which also has a no blackout pledge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@C</p>
<p>You may be interested to know that Marriott and Starwood do the same thing as Hilton so you won&#8217;t find anything different at Marriott which also has a no blackout pledge</p>
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		<title>By: C</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-hilton-hhonors-no-blackout-dates-pledge-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-48603</link>
		<dc:creator>C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilton No blackout dates is a lie!
Along with plenty of other fine print lies.
Football gameday weekends are an exception to their rule.
I will be switching to Marriott as soon as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilton No blackout dates is a lie!<br />
Along with plenty of other fine print lies.<br />
Football gameday weekends are an exception to their rule.<br />
I will be switching to Marriott as soon as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Katt</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-hilton-hhonors-no-blackout-dates-pledge-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-47348</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Katt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 14:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALL chains to this and leave enough ambiguous wording in their &quot;promises&quot; to enable them to weasel out in times of high demand!!   And that is what it is, simply, weaseling.

In this case, Homewood only offers 1 and 2 bedroom &quot;suites&quot;.  So their 1BR should be the &quot;standard&quot; but of course everyones definition of standard is going to conveniently be 1 or 2 beds in a SINGLE room.  Marriott does this, Starwood too.

I&#039;ve seen Marriott franchisees play games as well, adding movie tickets, a Mall debit card or breakfast to the room rate and suddenly its no longer &quot;standard&quot;.  But available for cash of course!

Some local property owners have figured this trick out and in periods of high demand, will do this to squeeze every penny out of every last room.

Low demand, you&#039;ll get the room!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL chains to this and leave enough ambiguous wording in their &#8220;promises&#8221; to enable them to weasel out in times of high demand!!   And that is what it is, simply, weaseling.</p>
<p>In this case, Homewood only offers 1 and 2 bedroom &#8220;suites&#8221;.  So their 1BR should be the &#8220;standard&#8221; but of course everyones definition of standard is going to conveniently be 1 or 2 beds in a SINGLE room.  Marriott does this, Starwood too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen Marriott franchisees play games as well, adding movie tickets, a Mall debit card or breakfast to the room rate and suddenly its no longer &#8220;standard&#8221;.  But available for cash of course!</p>
<p>Some local property owners have figured this trick out and in periods of high demand, will do this to squeeze every penny out of every last room.</p>
<p>Low demand, you&#8217;ll get the room!</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Katt</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-hilton-hhonors-no-blackout-dates-pledge-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-31244</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Katt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, its bait &amp; switch but its happens across all chains, if it makes you feel any better. 

A “big” weekend or nights where almost all rooms are sold out in a geographic area TRUMPS all logic, common sense and program rules as local properties will do whatever it takes to sell rooms at the highest price, points be damned. Sad but true and the definition of what is a standard room provides the room to wiggle!

I’ve seen Marriott’s throw in a free movie rental and popcorn to a room – and guess what – that room is no longer Standard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, its bait &amp; switch but its happens across all chains, if it makes you feel any better. </p>
<p>A “big” weekend or nights where almost all rooms are sold out in a geographic area TRUMPS all logic, common sense and program rules as local properties will do whatever it takes to sell rooms at the highest price, points be damned. Sad but true and the definition of what is a standard room provides the room to wiggle!</p>
<p>I’ve seen Marriott’s throw in a free movie rental and popcorn to a room – and guess what – that room is no longer Standard!</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-hilton-hhonors-no-blackout-dates-pledge-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-31146</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal view is that Hilton is dis-honest when advertising with the no black-out period because of the &quot;extreme&quot; conditions exemption.  There is no difference between black-out and extreme conditions.  Both represent time frames in which you are not entitled to use/book rewards at all.  The extreme conditions are not even the sames as &quot;capacity control&quot; where say 2 standard rooms are available.  Once they are booked, the other standard rooms are not available. No black-out, which if there is an available standard room would mean just that.  If the system shows a standard room available, you should be able to book a reward against that.

That&#039;s the problem with marketing, they just put the * and put all the exceptions/exemptions in the fine print.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal view is that Hilton is dis-honest when advertising with the no black-out period because of the &#8220;extreme&#8221; conditions exemption.  There is no difference between black-out and extreme conditions.  Both represent time frames in which you are not entitled to use/book rewards at all.  The extreme conditions are not even the sames as &#8220;capacity control&#8221; where say 2 standard rooms are available.  Once they are booked, the other standard rooms are not available. No black-out, which if there is an available standard room would mean just that.  If the system shows a standard room available, you should be able to book a reward against that.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the problem with marketing, they just put the * and put all the exceptions/exemptions in the fine print.</p>
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		<title>By: N</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-hilton-hhonors-no-blackout-dates-pledge-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-31129</link>
		<dc:creator>N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone whose parents have owned hilton-family properties for years, as well as having worked at hilton properties for years let me clarify some of the non-sense &#039;guessing&#039; that&#039;s gone on in this thread.

HHonors points can be redeemed for standard rooms. That is correct. Some Homewood Suites have both standard rooms and suites, if those standard rooms are soldout you won&#039;t be able to use points for the suites. If it is an all-suite property, the &#039;standard&#039; room at that property is a suite, so technically you should be able to use points.

Corporate always takes the side of the guest (unfortunately for the hotel owner). HHonors reservations are made at corporate. When you call them, they want nothing else to be able to honor your request. If they can not, they will not make up an &#039;exception&#039; rule.

Exemptions: Hotels can apply for exemptions for black-out days under extreme conditions: as stated above these are big events like super bowls. You have to apply for these 6months-year in advance. So at the property, if we are almost sold out tonight, I can not call corporate and black-out tonight. They won&#039;t do it.

Honestly, people are not perfect and bad experiences can happen at any property whether it be Hilton/Starwood/Marriott. If you stay at a property 50 times a year, something is going to go wrong. If you let those few experiences cause you to change Brands, well, you&#039;ll be changing every couple years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone whose parents have owned hilton-family properties for years, as well as having worked at hilton properties for years let me clarify some of the non-sense &#8216;guessing&#8217; that&#8217;s gone on in this thread.</p>
<p>HHonors points can be redeemed for standard rooms. That is correct. Some Homewood Suites have both standard rooms and suites, if those standard rooms are soldout you won&#8217;t be able to use points for the suites. If it is an all-suite property, the &#8216;standard&#8217; room at that property is a suite, so technically you should be able to use points.</p>
<p>Corporate always takes the side of the guest (unfortunately for the hotel owner). HHonors reservations are made at corporate. When you call them, they want nothing else to be able to honor your request. If they can not, they will not make up an &#8216;exception&#8217; rule.</p>
<p>Exemptions: Hotels can apply for exemptions for black-out days under extreme conditions: as stated above these are big events like super bowls. You have to apply for these 6months-year in advance. So at the property, if we are almost sold out tonight, I can not call corporate and black-out tonight. They won&#8217;t do it.</p>
<p>Honestly, people are not perfect and bad experiences can happen at any property whether it be Hilton/Starwood/Marriott. If you stay at a property 50 times a year, something is going to go wrong. If you let those few experiences cause you to change Brands, well, you&#8217;ll be changing every couple years.</p>
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		<title>By: Loyalty Program Tips To Learn From Smoothie King Fiasco &#124; Understanding Marketing</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-hilton-hhonors-no-blackout-dates-pledge-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-31127</link>
		<dc:creator>Loyalty Program Tips To Learn From Smoothie King Fiasco &#124; Understanding Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a customer loyalty program come with fine print and what basically amounts to &#8220;black out dates&#8221;? You know, the program that offers you points or discounts by coming back, but you can only get [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a customer loyalty program come with fine print and what basically amounts to &#8220;black out dates&#8221;? You know, the program that offers you points or discounts by coming back, but you can only get [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-hilton-hhonors-no-blackout-dates-pledge-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-31036</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MeanMeosh

Except that Hilton doesn&#039;t declare itself above the fray.  Starwood has has an almost identical no blackout policy since 2001.  Marriott has adopted basically the same policy a few ago.  They all use roughly the same slogan and have the same limitations, e.g. standard room, not applicable during special events, etc. I believe Hyatt does as well, but I&#039;m not certain.

@Ronin

The hotel doesn&#039;t get to arbitrarily declare a special event and thus be excepted from the rule. Assuming Hilton uses a similiar procedure as Starwood, the hotel has to Petition the chain and be granted the exception.  In my experiences, the special event is one what any reasonable person would agree is very special.  Some exceptions have included the Rose Bowl., Super Bowl, Obama Inaguaration in DC, etc.  This events happen relatively rarely so that it is disengenious to call the policy as sham, given that for any given hotel, its in place nearly every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MeanMeosh</p>
<p>Except that Hilton doesn&#8217;t declare itself above the fray.  Starwood has has an almost identical no blackout policy since 2001.  Marriott has adopted basically the same policy a few ago.  They all use roughly the same slogan and have the same limitations, e.g. standard room, not applicable during special events, etc. I believe Hyatt does as well, but I&#8217;m not certain.</p>
<p>@Ronin</p>
<p>The hotel doesn&#8217;t get to arbitrarily declare a special event and thus be excepted from the rule. Assuming Hilton uses a similiar procedure as Starwood, the hotel has to Petition the chain and be granted the exception.  In my experiences, the special event is one what any reasonable person would agree is very special.  Some exceptions have included the Rose Bowl., Super Bowl, Obama Inaguaration in DC, etc.  This events happen relatively rarely so that it is disengenious to call the policy as sham, given that for any given hotel, its in place nearly every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/is-hilton-hhonors-no-blackout-dates-pledge-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-31012</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say that Hilton did fine by me! In October, I requested a room for 2 nights in NYC for Wednesday and Thursday-Thanksgiving Day. We could not have been more pleased with our room in Times Square and the Macy&#039;s Parade was a blast! So, kudos to Hilton Honors from me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say that Hilton did fine by me! In October, I requested a room for 2 nights in NYC for Wednesday and Thursday-Thanksgiving Day. We could not have been more pleased with our room in Times Square and the Macy&#8217;s Parade was a blast! So, kudos to Hilton Honors from me!</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simplest solution to the problem Bear faces is a personal letter to the president of the company (Hilton). Generally speaking, anybody who is willing to take the time and effort to communicate with that individual will get a response. 

Who better to clarify the rules? If the President says it is a &#039;standard&#039; room or that the no blackout rules apply, then I would take my letter with me to the hotel and politely ask for my points to be honored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simplest solution to the problem Bear faces is a personal letter to the president of the company (Hilton). Generally speaking, anybody who is willing to take the time and effort to communicate with that individual will get a response. </p>
<p>Who better to clarify the rules? If the President says it is a &#8216;standard&#8217; room or that the no blackout rules apply, then I would take my letter with me to the hotel and politely ask for my points to be honored.</p>
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		<title>By: DN</title>
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		<dc:creator>DN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a Gold or Diamond member for years and with the exception of the Doubletree properties (which to me seems to have gone downhill quickly in terms of how old and dated the properties are), I&#039;ve experienced great service and no problems with booking reward stays.  I even managed to book a room at the Las Vegas Hilton during the Consumer Electronics Show (and since it&#039;s the headquarters hotel, it should have been very hard to get) without a problem on the website.  

I will admit that I&#039;ve never booked a reward stay at a Homewood Suites, though I had booked reward stays at Hilton, HGI, Hampton, and Doubletree locations with no problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a Gold or Diamond member for years and with the exception of the Doubletree properties (which to me seems to have gone downhill quickly in terms of how old and dated the properties are), I&#8217;ve experienced great service and no problems with booking reward stays.  I even managed to book a room at the Las Vegas Hilton during the Consumer Electronics Show (and since it&#8217;s the headquarters hotel, it should have been very hard to get) without a problem on the website.  </p>
<p>I will admit that I&#8217;ve never booked a reward stay at a Homewood Suites, though I had booked reward stays at Hilton, HGI, Hampton, and Doubletree locations with no problems.</p>
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		<title>By: AWE</title>
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		<dc:creator>AWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what their excuse would have been if the OP had earned his status from booking that same room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what their excuse would have been if the OP had earned his status from booking that same room.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I get a 2% cash back and a 5% gas cash back. I like counting 6-7 thousand dollars...&quot;--Geoff
If you&#039;re charging to the tune of $1/4 million/year, I don&#039;t know why you&#039;d be blogging on this site.  Or perhaps driving a hybrid would help you accumulate 95% more dollars on gas you need not buy.
Nobody</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I get a 2% cash back and a 5% gas cash back. I like counting 6-7 thousand dollars&#8230;&#8221;&#8211;Geoff<br />
If you&#8217;re charging to the tune of $1/4 million/year, I don&#8217;t know why you&#8217;d be blogging on this site.  Or perhaps driving a hybrid would help you accumulate 95% more dollars on gas you need not buy.<br />
Nobody</p>
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