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		<title>By: Jose_Trinity</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/in-my-40-years-in-travel-ive-never-seen-anything-like-this/comment-page-1/#comment-53079</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose_Trinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, that was a very exciting story. I only regret that my English is so defective in order to understand it.  But I am sure that it was true and fascinating.  Usually all the stories are worthwhile to read, but my English is so poor, and I probably won&#039;t surpass my current level. Congratulations for your story anyway. By the way, what is the matter about ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, that was a very exciting story. I only regret that my English is so defective in order to understand it.  But I am sure that it was true and fascinating.  Usually all the stories are worthwhile to read, but my English is so poor, and I probably won&#8217;t surpass my current level. Congratulations for your story anyway. By the way, what is the matter about ?</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/in-my-40-years-in-travel-ive-never-seen-anything-like-this/comment-page-1/#comment-22164</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First rule in sales is called followup by the agent not the client or prospective client.  Most new prospects if not all will not call you back unless they are already your client.  This agent should have not assumed that because she put a reservation on hold that it intitles her to a commission whether or not the prospect called her back or not.  What would have been the correct way to handle this on her part was to give a date to the prospect on the initial phone call by which they had to call back the agent or the reservation would no longer be held.   I am beginning to think that this is hows she got to bew the top agent by doing this for all her &quot;sales&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First rule in sales is called followup by the agent not the client or prospective client.  Most new prospects if not all will not call you back unless they are already your client.  This agent should have not assumed that because she put a reservation on hold that it intitles her to a commission whether or not the prospect called her back or not.  What would have been the correct way to handle this on her part was to give a date to the prospect on the initial phone call by which they had to call back the agent or the reservation would no longer be held.   I am beginning to think that this is hows she got to bew the top agent by doing this for all her &#8220;sales&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver Farrow</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/in-my-40-years-in-travel-ive-never-seen-anything-like-this/comment-page-1/#comment-22126</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver Farrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sheila

Respectfully, Ginnis did not do anything wrong.  What we sometimes forget about commission based work is that it is double sided.  Sometimes, we do a little work and reap large rewards.  Other time we do a lot of work and get nothing.  It might have been nice if Ginnis has called back and said that he wasn&#039;t using her services, but its hardly mandatory.  

In any event at worse, Ginnis failed to provide a courtesy.  That is hardly the moral equivalent of lying, cheating, and stealing, which is what the travel agent did.

@Stephanus

Again, the limitation of commission work. TAs generally only get paid for closing the deal.  That the arrangement that they have with their clients.  If TAs want to get paid for doing groundwork, that&#039;s fine, that&#039;s the arrangement that they should make with their clients.  But it doesn&#039;t work to get upset when the client acts fully within the confines of the contract to his own benefit.

In fact, in my own industry we are seeing the exact same thing.  Clients taking advantage of the 1 hour free consultation and never returning to hire the attorney.  Rather than complain, many of us just started charging for the one hour, with the proviso that it would be credited towards the retainer fee if we were hired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sheila</p>
<p>Respectfully, Ginnis did not do anything wrong.  What we sometimes forget about commission based work is that it is double sided.  Sometimes, we do a little work and reap large rewards.  Other time we do a lot of work and get nothing.  It might have been nice if Ginnis has called back and said that he wasn&#8217;t using her services, but its hardly mandatory.  </p>
<p>In any event at worse, Ginnis failed to provide a courtesy.  That is hardly the moral equivalent of lying, cheating, and stealing, which is what the travel agent did.</p>
<p>@Stephanus</p>
<p>Again, the limitation of commission work. TAs generally only get paid for closing the deal.  That the arrangement that they have with their clients.  If TAs want to get paid for doing groundwork, that&#8217;s fine, that&#8217;s the arrangement that they should make with their clients.  But it doesn&#8217;t work to get upset when the client acts fully within the confines of the contract to his own benefit.</p>
<p>In fact, in my own industry we are seeing the exact same thing.  Clients taking advantage of the 1 hour free consultation and never returning to hire the attorney.  Rather than complain, many of us just started charging for the one hour, with the proviso that it would be credited towards the retainer fee if we were hired.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 02:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This all makes me wonder just how many times the TA had done this type of thing and never got caught?  Would the agency have slapped the hand  if it had not been brought out by a well known expert?

My experience as a (now retired) law enforcement officer is that people that get caught are seldom breaking the law for the first time.

I think it was good reporting and maybe other dishonest TA&#039;s will take note.

Shady transactions and crooks seldom look good under outside observation.  Thanks for shining the light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all makes me wonder just how many times the TA had done this type of thing and never got caught?  Would the agency have slapped the hand  if it had not been brought out by a well known expert?</p>
<p>My experience as a (now retired) law enforcement officer is that people that get caught are seldom breaking the law for the first time.</p>
<p>I think it was good reporting and maybe other dishonest TA&#8217;s will take note.</p>
<p>Shady transactions and crooks seldom look good under outside observation.  Thanks for shining the light.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanus Surjaputra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanus Surjaputra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad Liberty Travel did the right thing for the customer. I do agree with Ms. Sheila Horowitz, though. Mr. Ginnis should&#039;ve called the agent and let her know. After all, the agent did do some research for him, which, in a sense, gave him a lead.

I remember when I was a consultant and my company used Travel Agents to book my flights, I would sometimes research the schedules and ask the agent to book the flights for me (mostly because we were required to use the agency). I didn&#039;t ask that the agency reimburse me for researching it. I even asked her to book me an upgrade using my upgrade certificates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad Liberty Travel did the right thing for the customer. I do agree with Ms. Sheila Horowitz, though. Mr. Ginnis should&#8217;ve called the agent and let her know. After all, the agent did do some research for him, which, in a sense, gave him a lead.</p>
<p>I remember when I was a consultant and my company used Travel Agents to book my flights, I would sometimes research the schedules and ask the agent to book the flights for me (mostly because we were required to use the agency). I didn&#8217;t ask that the agency reimburse me for researching it. I even asked her to book me an upgrade using my upgrade certificates.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Horowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheila Horowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The agent got a good deal, put it on hold, Mr. Ginnis should have had the courtesy to tell her he found something better, he&#039;s at fault too, two wrong don&#039;t make it right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The agent got a good deal, put it on hold, Mr. Ginnis should have had the courtesy to tell her he found something better, he&#8217;s at fault too, two wrong don&#8217;t make it right.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LIBERTY TRAVEL!   A name out of my past.  The first year I was an agent (many, many years ago) a similiar situation came up where I had a reservation on hold for a client and it was &quot;taken over&quot; by Liberty Travel.  When I contacted the agent at Liberty, he told me that because &quot;they did a huge amount of business with American Airlines&quot; and the airlines always sided with them.  I was too naive to check - my mistake.  So it looks like it still goes on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIBERTY TRAVEL!   A name out of my past.  The first year I was an agent (many, many years ago) a similiar situation came up where I had a reservation on hold for a client and it was &#8220;taken over&#8221; by Liberty Travel.  When I contacted the agent at Liberty, he told me that because &#8220;they did a huge amount of business with American Airlines&#8221; and the airlines always sided with them.  I was too naive to check &#8211; my mistake.  So it looks like it still goes on.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberty is taking the fall for an unethical agent.  I agree with others&#039; belief that the agent got away easy, and that issues like this may be the reason this agent is considered a top performer.

I think an appropriate way for Liberty to handle this is for the agent&#039;s name to be listed here.  Let the customers decide if they would like to use that particular agent in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberty is taking the fall for an unethical agent.  I agree with others&#8217; belief that the agent got away easy, and that issues like this may be the reason this agent is considered a top performer.</p>
<p>I think an appropriate way for Liberty to handle this is for the agent&#8217;s name to be listed here.  Let the customers decide if they would like to use that particular agent in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: susie</title>
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		<dc:creator>susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t all Liberty agents work on commission only?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t all Liberty agents work on commission only?</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carver - I agree.  Audit her bookings.  I suspect this isn&#039;t the first time she&#039;s done this!  And dismissal definitely.

Thanks Chris for the followup!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carver &#8211; I agree.  Audit her bookings.  I suspect this isn&#8217;t the first time she&#8217;s done this!  And dismissal definitely.</p>
<p>Thanks Chris for the followup!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is slap on the wrist. That agent is going to cost Liberty thousands and thousands of dollars in lost business. I would have canned her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is slap on the wrist. That agent is going to cost Liberty thousands and thousands of dollars in lost business. I would have canned her.</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I an shocked that Liberty is “only” making the agent give the commission back as well as the future travel credit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ron, Chris wrote that Liberty also gave Mr. Ginnis a $100 voucher...coming out of the agent&#039;s pocket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I an shocked that Liberty is “only” making the agent give the commission back as well as the future travel credit.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ron, Chris wrote that Liberty also gave Mr. Ginnis a $100 voucher&#8230;coming out of the agent&#8217;s pocket.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand the original story, the $100 commission came from USAir Vacations.  That $100 should be returned to USA, not - as per this followup - be sent by Liberty to the traveler.  The dishonest employee apparently &#039;stole&#039; the money - repayment to USAV is the first step however the agent broke the law.  This should be reported to the authorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand the original story, the $100 commission came from USAir Vacations.  That $100 should be returned to USA, not &#8211; as per this followup &#8211; be sent by Liberty to the traveler.  The dishonest employee apparently &#8216;stole&#8217; the money &#8211; repayment to USAV is the first step however the agent broke the law.  This should be reported to the authorities.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My $0.02

The travel agent should be disciplined if not outright fired.  The agency should audit her bookings to see if a pattern of dishonesty presents itself. If so, then termination is the only solution.  If not, then some appropriate punishment neesd to be mete out, if for no other reason than to discourage her and others from such behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My $0.02</p>
<p>The travel agent should be disciplined if not outright fired.  The agency should audit her bookings to see if a pattern of dishonesty presents itself. If so, then termination is the only solution.  If not, then some appropriate punishment neesd to be mete out, if for no other reason than to discourage her and others from such behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good story chris happy to see that money came from her pocket to right her wrong. I hope she learned not to do this again.  For all the good agents we love you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good story chris happy to see that money came from her pocket to right her wrong. I hope she learned not to do this again.  For all the good agents we love you</p>
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