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		<title>By: David Z</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/i-feel-that-i-have-been-treated-pretty-lousy-by-delta/comment-page-2/#comment-18537</link>
		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit late, but found something &quot;interesting&quot; on this subject:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29469447/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29469447/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit late, but found something &#8220;interesting&#8221; on this subject:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29469447/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29469447/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ajaynejr</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajaynejr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were a variety of alternatives that would produce different outcomes but the possibility of the need to use courts exists in all.

My recommendation for teh future is to take the valuable items out on the spot.

THe airlines&#039; big print says &quot;don&#039;t put valuables in checked baggage.&quot; I doubt it would be an open and shut case in favor of the airline when the &quot;small print&quot; (contract of carriage) says somethine else.

IN some cases it may be preferable to s ay :&quot;no&quot; to the question &quot;do you want to fly today&quot;. And also use the courts if needed to get a refund of the fare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were a variety of alternatives that would produce different outcomes but the possibility of the need to use courts exists in all.</p>
<p>My recommendation for teh future is to take the valuable items out on the spot.</p>
<p>THe airlines&#8217; big print says &#8220;don&#8217;t put valuables in checked baggage.&#8221; I doubt it would be an open and shut case in favor of the airline when the &#8220;small print&#8221; (contract of carriage) says somethine else.</p>
<p>IN some cases it may be preferable to s ay :&#8221;no&#8221; to the question &#8220;do you want to fly today&#8221;. And also use the courts if needed to get a refund of the fare.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, TheGoodDoctor, I frequently bring loose items aboard a small jet or turbo prop.   I have a rolling tote that will hold a 17&quot; laptop. It fits great in any full-size jet&#039;s overheads (taking less room than any rollaboard), but it is too fat for any RJ or turbo-prop.  I just pull out the laptop, my file folders with personal info and the power cords and check the bag (which now only contains a day of clothing and my basic toiletries). I carry a small backpack which can always go under a seat, and I put the loose items into a bin near my seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, TheGoodDoctor, I frequently bring loose items aboard a small jet or turbo prop.   I have a rolling tote that will hold a 17&#8243; laptop. It fits great in any full-size jet&#8217;s overheads (taking less room than any rollaboard), but it is too fat for any RJ or turbo-prop.  I just pull out the laptop, my file folders with personal info and the power cords and check the bag (which now only contains a day of clothing and my basic toiletries). I carry a small backpack which can always go under a seat, and I put the loose items into a bin near my seat.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seem to be two obvious problems with the waiver, even if Polzin did sign it:

1. Assuming that the camera was stolen, not broken, that does not sound like &quot;loss or damage resulting from the unsuitability of such items as checked baggage and/or the inadequacy of their packaging.&quot;

2. This might cut the other way, but I get the sense that Polzin is more upset by the loss of the pictures than of the camera.  On one hand, the pictures seem clearly not to be covered by the disclaimer. On the other hand, they probably don&#039;t have any real monetary value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seem to be two obvious problems with the waiver, even if Polzin did sign it:</p>
<p>1. Assuming that the camera was stolen, not broken, that does not sound like &#8220;loss or damage resulting from the unsuitability of such items as checked baggage and/or the inadequacy of their packaging.&#8221;</p>
<p>2. This might cut the other way, but I get the sense that Polzin is more upset by the loss of the pictures than of the camera.  On one hand, the pictures seem clearly not to be covered by the disclaimer. On the other hand, they probably don&#8217;t have any real monetary value.</p>
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		<title>By: The Good Doctor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Good Doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morally, Delta should be responsible, but legally, they&#039;re not.  That&#039;s why I never check my valuables when riding a RJ (regional jet).  I would rather carry them aboard loosely than trust the bag to the baggage handlers.  And I&#039;ve never had a flight attendant stop me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morally, Delta should be responsible, but legally, they&#8217;re not.  That&#8217;s why I never check my valuables when riding a RJ (regional jet).  I would rather carry them aboard loosely than trust the bag to the baggage handlers.  And I&#8217;ve never had a flight attendant stop me.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What disturbs me most about all these comments is the general acceptance that flying these days involves contact with highly unethical, immoral and/or criminal people. Everyone seems to just accept that theft will occur and work around it. We should be more outraged at airlines and airline employees that allow this behavior to occur. Property theft on airlines is just a micro view of the rest of the business world - and we all know where that has gotten us. The time to complain on a case-by-case basis is over. With kudos to the movie Network, it&#039;s time to stand collectively as a group and say &quot;I&#039;m mad as hell and I&#039;m not gonna take it any more!&quot; If we don&#039;t demand more ethical behavior by the rampers how can we expect any from the executives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What disturbs me most about all these comments is the general acceptance that flying these days involves contact with highly unethical, immoral and/or criminal people. Everyone seems to just accept that theft will occur and work around it. We should be more outraged at airlines and airline employees that allow this behavior to occur. Property theft on airlines is just a micro view of the rest of the business world &#8211; and we all know where that has gotten us. The time to complain on a case-by-case basis is over. With kudos to the movie Network, it&#8217;s time to stand collectively as a group and say &#8220;I&#8217;m mad as hell and I&#8217;m not gonna take it any more!&#8221; If we don&#8217;t demand more ethical behavior by the rampers how can we expect any from the executives?</p>
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		<title>By: Loriva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loriva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fly every week, and I spend many hours watching the same things that happen during boarding over and over - and it&#039;s always caused by the same reason - lack of communication. The gate agents pink tag the bags with no explanation such as &quot;this is a small plane and the overhead bins will not fit your roller bag&quot; - simple communication about the limitations of this type of aircraft would fix this problem. Yes, it is a huge pain to take out valuables, especially when you are a leisure traveler who doesn&#039;t understand that not every plane is a 737 and didn&#039;t plan to unpack before boarding. I watch people look at the agent with shock because they don&#039;t understand that the connecting plane is too small (in ATL you don&#039;t always see the gates, so you don&#039;t know it&#039;s a bunch of RJs sitting at the bottom of a stairway). 

Where I hold Delta accountable is in not communicating that the bags simply won&#039;t fit - the losing valuables part is a sad lesson that some of us have to learn the hard way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fly every week, and I spend many hours watching the same things that happen during boarding over and over &#8211; and it&#8217;s always caused by the same reason &#8211; lack of communication. The gate agents pink tag the bags with no explanation such as &#8220;this is a small plane and the overhead bins will not fit your roller bag&#8221; &#8211; simple communication about the limitations of this type of aircraft would fix this problem. Yes, it is a huge pain to take out valuables, especially when you are a leisure traveler who doesn&#8217;t understand that not every plane is a 737 and didn&#8217;t plan to unpack before boarding. I watch people look at the agent with shock because they don&#8217;t understand that the connecting plane is too small (in ATL you don&#8217;t always see the gates, so you don&#8217;t know it&#8217;s a bunch of RJs sitting at the bottom of a stairway). </p>
<p>Where I hold Delta accountable is in not communicating that the bags simply won&#8217;t fit &#8211; the losing valuables part is a sad lesson that some of us have to learn the hard way.</p>
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		<title>By: brenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had a similar but different problem returning home international on Delta.  We flew down no problem to Ecuador from Atlanta each with one personal, under seat and one in overhead.  Out stuff contained computer, camera and Video cameras and housing, dive computers, and our regulators-stuff we always carry!!!!   We have bought luggage that is smaller than the largest size carry on and have worked hard to have everything sized to fit in our rolling and personal.  At the Delta check in Ecuador we were told that we each could only have 1 idem ---either our personal or rolling.  (Very large plane lots or room and lots of time to get through security)  I had all the Delta rules printed out per your general advice--Rules showed 1 personal and one carry on,  and no liability for checked cameras computers etc.  So we said fine we would check it but since Delta wasn’t letting us follow their rules  they would have to insure the checked bags at their costs.  After about 3 levels of supervisors and 45 minuets of hassle they let us keep both bags but did subject us to 3 different security screenings of complete unpacking and packing. Funny note- each time my husband had to deal with a new supervisor the value that we asked Delta to insure kept going up!  Has anyone else ever had the airport employees anywhere ever try to impose their own rules?  These bags are even small enough that we don’t have to gate check on most RJ but do carry zip ties for that occasional time of risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a similar but different problem returning home international on Delta.  We flew down no problem to Ecuador from Atlanta each with one personal, under seat and one in overhead.  Out stuff contained computer, camera and Video cameras and housing, dive computers, and our regulators-stuff we always carry!!!!   We have bought luggage that is smaller than the largest size carry on and have worked hard to have everything sized to fit in our rolling and personal.  At the Delta check in Ecuador we were told that we each could only have 1 idem &#8212;either our personal or rolling.  (Very large plane lots or room and lots of time to get through security)  I had all the Delta rules printed out per your general advice&#8211;Rules showed 1 personal and one carry on,  and no liability for checked cameras computers etc.  So we said fine we would check it but since Delta wasn’t letting us follow their rules  they would have to insure the checked bags at their costs.  After about 3 levels of supervisors and 45 minuets of hassle they let us keep both bags but did subject us to 3 different security screenings of complete unpacking and packing. Funny note- each time my husband had to deal with a new supervisor the value that we asked Delta to insure kept going up!  Has anyone else ever had the airport employees anywhere ever try to impose their own rules?  These bags are even small enough that we don’t have to gate check on most RJ but do carry zip ties for that occasional time of risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have twice firmly stood up to airline agents who insisted that I gate check a carry-on. After they made the announcement just before boarding began, that &quot;because today&#039;s flight is full, only one carry-on is allowed-- please present any excess bags to the agent for gate checking,&quot; I stood my ground and insisted that my bags contained camera gear, prescription drugs, and valuables that their own ticket jacket said should never be checked. And they let me bring it on board.

Of course, that was before 9/11 Changed Everything. Today, my disobedience would surely get me arrested and subject to a lengthy prison sentence for the federal felony of Interfering With a Flight Crew. 

It seems that when it comes to air travel, published rules or contracts don&#039;t mean anything. Even if you make the effort to know and comply with the rules or the contract, you&#039;re liable to suffer when the rules suddenly change at the checkpoint, at the check-in desk, at the gate, on the plane, or anywhere else in between. In practice, the rules are whatever the man or woman in the uniform decides they are at that moment you become subject to their orders. And no matter what, neither the airline, the TSA, or anyone else is responsible for loss or damage to your property. As Carver said, the passenger is &quot;bend over, hold my ankles screwed.&quot;

The only sure solution is not to fly. And if you do have to fly, get adequate insurance for all your belongings. That might only get you a check for the depreciated value of whatever the airline lost, after six months of hassle with the insurance company. But that&#039;s better than nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have twice firmly stood up to airline agents who insisted that I gate check a carry-on. After they made the announcement just before boarding began, that &#8220;because today&#8217;s flight is full, only one carry-on is allowed&#8211; please present any excess bags to the agent for gate checking,&#8221; I stood my ground and insisted that my bags contained camera gear, prescription drugs, and valuables that their own ticket jacket said should never be checked. And they let me bring it on board.</p>
<p>Of course, that was before 9/11 Changed Everything. Today, my disobedience would surely get me arrested and subject to a lengthy prison sentence for the federal felony of Interfering With a Flight Crew. </p>
<p>It seems that when it comes to air travel, published rules or contracts don&#8217;t mean anything. Even if you make the effort to know and comply with the rules or the contract, you&#8217;re liable to suffer when the rules suddenly change at the checkpoint, at the check-in desk, at the gate, on the plane, or anywhere else in between. In practice, the rules are whatever the man or woman in the uniform decides they are at that moment you become subject to their orders. And no matter what, neither the airline, the TSA, or anyone else is responsible for loss or damage to your property. As Carver said, the passenger is &#8220;bend over, hold my ankles screwed.&#8221;</p>
<p>The only sure solution is not to fly. And if you do have to fly, get adequate insurance for all your belongings. That might only get you a check for the depreciated value of whatever the airline lost, after six months of hassle with the insurance company. But that&#8217;s better than nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@joe

The reason I have to disagree is because when the airlines set up the rules to put the passenger in a catch-22, judges frown on that.

Consider, the very common scenario.  On a given trip, I am likely to pack the following items in my carry-on.  Computer with power cord, headphones, Ipod, spare set of prescription eyeglass, several bottles of medications which must be taken daily. And a couple data devices, e.g. thumb drives, Data DVD&#039;s, etc.  This all fits nicely in my carry-on which is compliant with all airlines.

I am not in a position to lose any of these items.  That is why they are not checked into baggage.  I followed the rules.  Now, these items are not packed to withstand being thrown around by baggage handlers, not does my carryon have a lock, as I reasonably don&#039;t expect it to be out of my immediate possession at any point.

Now, at the gate, the GA, TA, or anyone else, orders me to Gate check.  I&#039;m screwed.  Bend over, hold my ankles screwed.

None of those items are appropriate for regular checked luggage for reasons that I don&#039;t think are in dispute.  But the airline, unilaterally, placed my items at risk, solely for its own convenience.  My choices, comply or don&#039;t fly.

And this indeed happened to me.  I had to gate check those items.  I was nervous to say the least.

I don&#039;t think a state court judge would be very happy about that situation.  IF then the airlines tried to deny the claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joe</p>
<p>The reason I have to disagree is because when the airlines set up the rules to put the passenger in a catch-22, judges frown on that.</p>
<p>Consider, the very common scenario.  On a given trip, I am likely to pack the following items in my carry-on.  Computer with power cord, headphones, Ipod, spare set of prescription eyeglass, several bottles of medications which must be taken daily. And a couple data devices, e.g. thumb drives, Data DVD&#8217;s, etc.  This all fits nicely in my carry-on which is compliant with all airlines.</p>
<p>I am not in a position to lose any of these items.  That is why they are not checked into baggage.  I followed the rules.  Now, these items are not packed to withstand being thrown around by baggage handlers, not does my carryon have a lock, as I reasonably don&#8217;t expect it to be out of my immediate possession at any point.</p>
<p>Now, at the gate, the GA, TA, or anyone else, orders me to Gate check.  I&#8217;m screwed.  Bend over, hold my ankles screwed.</p>
<p>None of those items are appropriate for regular checked luggage for reasons that I don&#8217;t think are in dispute.  But the airline, unilaterally, placed my items at risk, solely for its own convenience.  My choices, comply or don&#8217;t fly.</p>
<p>And this indeed happened to me.  I had to gate check those items.  I was nervous to say the least.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think a state court judge would be very happy about that situation.  IF then the airlines tried to deny the claim.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Bad Example</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Bad Example</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a way for consumers to play &quot;Gotcha&quot; right back at the airlines.

I&#039;ll guarantee that someplace in most peoples files there is a receipt for a digital camera even if just on a bank statement.

Secondly, Most Cell phones have Cameras these days. Photograph the contents of the bag in a way that any valuables are in plain sight. Do it at the gate where the background will show that clearly you&#039;re in an airport. If it has a date/time stamp use it!  While this doesn&#039;t totally circumvent the CoC it does make it a whole lot easier for you in negotiations.

Thirdly, File a police report with the local police and send it to the local media outlets. If it&#039;s a slow news day you might get some traction and then watch Delta &quot;get religion&quot;!
 
I learned that when you go to battle with a large company the more ammo you have the better the outcome. When I was just a LittleBadExample a family friend had his house burn to the ground. Now this guy HATED insurance companies with a passion, yet he carried the most complete and most expensive coverage that replaced the contents of the home. So the adjuster shows up and starts with the usual dance. Well here Franny went to his safe deposit box prior and had an entire photo album of every room, every piece of furniture, contents of every drawer along with a type itemized list down to the number of pair of socks in each drawer. He also prepared a list using the Sears Catalog as a price guide to determine the amount his carrier should pay. 

The adjuster was speechless and Franny said &quot;I&#039;ll take the check now please&quot; and the insurance company had no choice but to pay.

The lesson in the above story is simple

READ THE CONTRACT! 

KNOW THE CONTRACT

ENFORCE THE CONTRACT

Force them to abide by THEIR RULES and if that fails bully them when and where you can get away with it by using the media effectively, government agencies, force Delta in this case to spend 10 times the value of your loss in labor and time.

In life you get what you allow people to give you and my motto is I don&#039;t get stress I GIVE stress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a way for consumers to play &#8220;Gotcha&#8221; right back at the airlines.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll guarantee that someplace in most peoples files there is a receipt for a digital camera even if just on a bank statement.</p>
<p>Secondly, Most Cell phones have Cameras these days. Photograph the contents of the bag in a way that any valuables are in plain sight. Do it at the gate where the background will show that clearly you&#8217;re in an airport. If it has a date/time stamp use it!  While this doesn&#8217;t totally circumvent the CoC it does make it a whole lot easier for you in negotiations.</p>
<p>Thirdly, File a police report with the local police and send it to the local media outlets. If it&#8217;s a slow news day you might get some traction and then watch Delta &#8220;get religion&#8221;!</p>
<p>I learned that when you go to battle with a large company the more ammo you have the better the outcome. When I was just a LittleBadExample a family friend had his house burn to the ground. Now this guy HATED insurance companies with a passion, yet he carried the most complete and most expensive coverage that replaced the contents of the home. So the adjuster shows up and starts with the usual dance. Well here Franny went to his safe deposit box prior and had an entire photo album of every room, every piece of furniture, contents of every drawer along with a type itemized list down to the number of pair of socks in each drawer. He also prepared a list using the Sears Catalog as a price guide to determine the amount his carrier should pay. </p>
<p>The adjuster was speechless and Franny said &#8220;I&#8217;ll take the check now please&#8221; and the insurance company had no choice but to pay.</p>
<p>The lesson in the above story is simple</p>
<p>READ THE CONTRACT! </p>
<p>KNOW THE CONTRACT</p>
<p>ENFORCE THE CONTRACT</p>
<p>Force them to abide by THEIR RULES and if that fails bully them when and where you can get away with it by using the media effectively, government agencies, force Delta in this case to spend 10 times the value of your loss in labor and time.</p>
<p>In life you get what you allow people to give you and my motto is I don&#8217;t get stress I GIVE stress.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Carver:  I don&#039;t disagree with the idea that DL has been behaving badly and it is likely that their own employees pilfered the bag, but here is the provision quoted with my comments and explanations:


Cameras, lenses, flash bulbs, projectors, video cameras, and other photographic or cinematographic equipment … may be accepted [as checked luggage] upon the condition

[Delta agrees to take checked luggage containing foregoing items if the passenger] 

 that the passenger agree in advance and in writing to release the carrier of liability for loss or damage resulting from the unsuitability of such items as checked baggage and/or the inadequacy of their packaging, in a Limited Liability Release form to be provided by Delta.

[passenger needs to declare the items are in the bag as a condition of DL accepting the bag - if the passenger fails to disclose it then DL would not have accepted the bag.  The only way that DL accepts these items is if the passenger waives the risk of loss [i.e., theft] and damage.]

A gate check is covered by this policy.  Even though it seems it may not be given the common rushing around which occurs at gate check bag time, you need to pay attention to what is in your bag.  DL will argue that its flight attendants and gate agents lack the authority to modify the contract.  And the contract probably says so,  

This is the simple common sense rule nothing should go in checked luggage that you need or want to see again . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carver:  I don&#8217;t disagree with the idea that DL has been behaving badly and it is likely that their own employees pilfered the bag, but here is the provision quoted with my comments and explanations:</p>
<p>Cameras, lenses, flash bulbs, projectors, video cameras, and other photographic or cinematographic equipment … may be accepted [as checked luggage] upon the condition</p>
<p>[Delta agrees to take checked luggage containing foregoing items if the passenger] </p>
<p> that the passenger agree in advance and in writing to release the carrier of liability for loss or damage resulting from the unsuitability of such items as checked baggage and/or the inadequacy of their packaging, in a Limited Liability Release form to be provided by Delta.</p>
<p>[passenger needs to declare the items are in the bag as a condition of DL accepting the bag - if the passenger fails to disclose it then DL would not have accepted the bag.  The only way that DL accepts these items is if the passenger waives the risk of loss [i.e., theft] and damage.]</p>
<p>A gate check is covered by this policy.  Even though it seems it may not be given the common rushing around which occurs at gate check bag time, you need to pay attention to what is in your bag.  DL will argue that its flight attendants and gate agents lack the authority to modify the contract.  And the contract probably says so,  </p>
<p>This is the simple common sense rule nothing should go in checked luggage that you need or want to see again . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/i-feel-that-i-have-been-treated-pretty-lousy-by-delta/comment-page-1/#comment-17566</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 06:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The probelem with these various scenarios is that sometimes you have to carry stuff that does&#039;t fit on your person.  My friend is a professional photographer.  He has a huge camera, and a ton of crap that he keeps needs when he travels.  He doesn&#039;t place it in checked luggage as that would be stupid, but if he needs to gate check it, then he has to gate check the bag.  No options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The probelem with these various scenarios is that sometimes you have to carry stuff that does&#8217;t fit on your person.  My friend is a professional photographer.  He has a huge camera, and a ton of crap that he keeps needs when he travels.  He doesn&#8217;t place it in checked luggage as that would be stupid, but if he needs to gate check it, then he has to gate check the bag.  No options.</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/i-feel-that-i-have-been-treated-pretty-lousy-by-delta/comment-page-1/#comment-17565</link>
		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 04:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But that’s the rub.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed, and it&#039;s arguably easy to tell others what to do despite the understandable frustration. But what if they&#039;re called out to it if found not capable of &quot;walking the talk&quot;? (although that shouldn&#039;t necessarily be an issue, maybe...)

The other Jennifer brings up a possible dilemma: baggage handlers&#039; wages. Delta could increase them to try discouraging the &quot;need&quot; to pilfer baggage, but...they might pass on that increase to consumers somehow. (and I&#039;m sure we can imagine a whole bunch of other undesirable scenarios, yeesh...)

Anyway, the main point here is Ms. Polzin wants Delta to do something about what happened. A catch with letting someone else handle this, though, is one is potentially leaving themselves at their mercy and come out more frustrated if nothing &quot;productive&quot; happens.

Rather than that, we might as well take it upon ourselves to do everything humanly possible to ensure things like this don&#039;t happen. But...we&#039;re all human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But that’s the rub.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed, and it&#8217;s arguably easy to tell others what to do despite the understandable frustration. But what if they&#8217;re called out to it if found not capable of &#8220;walking the talk&#8221;? (although that shouldn&#8217;t necessarily be an issue, maybe&#8230;)</p>
<p>The other Jennifer brings up a possible dilemma: baggage handlers&#8217; wages. Delta could increase them to try discouraging the &#8220;need&#8221; to pilfer baggage, but&#8230;they might pass on that increase to consumers somehow. (and I&#8217;m sure we can imagine a whole bunch of other undesirable scenarios, yeesh&#8230;)</p>
<p>Anyway, the main point here is Ms. Polzin wants Delta to do something about what happened. A catch with letting someone else handle this, though, is one is potentially leaving themselves at their mercy and come out more frustrated if nothing &#8220;productive&#8221; happens.</p>
<p>Rather than that, we might as well take it upon ourselves to do everything humanly possible to ensure things like this don&#8217;t happen. But&#8230;we&#8217;re all human.</p>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many times does it have to be said?  If you have anything valuable to you, make sure its fits on your person, or leave it at home.  My last trip I took about $50K in jewelry with me - packed in a locked crush-proof case that never left my sight, even when being checked by the TSA.  It easily fit in a large purse, but I&#039;d have taken another flight before someone told me I had to gate-check it.  The only thing I would ever gate check is a stroller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many times does it have to be said?  If you have anything valuable to you, make sure its fits on your person, or leave it at home.  My last trip I took about $50K in jewelry with me &#8211; packed in a locked crush-proof case that never left my sight, even when being checked by the TSA.  It easily fit in a large purse, but I&#8217;d have taken another flight before someone told me I had to gate-check it.  The only thing I would ever gate check is a stroller.</p>
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