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		<title>By: GREG</title>
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		<dc:creator>GREG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 03:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GLENN BEFORE YOU MAKE THE GENERAL STATMENT THAT THERE ARE 80 TYPE OF FLEAS IN COLORADO DO YOUR RESEARCH.
 While it is true there are over 80 types of fleas in colorado check out these facts:

Flea problems on pets are uncommon in Colorado. Fleas reproduce poorly in the low humidity of homes.
Most flea problems originate from fox or skunks that den in the vicinity of homes. 

Plague is a potentially life threatening disease that is moved among wild rodent populations by fleas—primarily the rock squirrel flea

So unless Ms Kobayashi has a skunk or fox as a pet it is highly unlikely that she received her bites from her other pets.  I am sure she is not a expert on these types     She may be incorrect on the types of fleas in colorado  but it is obvious that the originating source would be the hotel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GLENN BEFORE YOU MAKE THE GENERAL STATMENT THAT THERE ARE 80 TYPE OF FLEAS IN COLORADO DO YOUR RESEARCH.<br />
 While it is true there are over 80 types of fleas in colorado check out these facts:</p>
<p>Flea problems on pets are uncommon in Colorado. Fleas reproduce poorly in the low humidity of homes.<br />
Most flea problems originate from fox or skunks that den in the vicinity of homes. </p>
<p>Plague is a potentially life threatening disease that is moved among wild rodent populations by fleas—primarily the rock squirrel flea</p>
<p>So unless Ms Kobayashi has a skunk or fox as a pet it is highly unlikely that she received her bites from her other pets.  I am sure she is not a expert on these types     She may be incorrect on the types of fleas in colorado  but it is obvious that the originating source would be the hotel</p>
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		<title>By: ronnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stayed i the hampton inn in virginia on january 9th and 10th. i live in ohio and on the17th i started to burning real bad in the shower and i noticed that red bumps were coming out on my legs, arms and chest. i went to the doctor on the 20th of january and he said it was scabies.he gave me some cream to put on it from the neck down. this has helped but now it is coming back in spots. anyway i contacted the manager at the hotel and i sent him the doctors statement and the bill. they sent this to their insurance company. the manager called me and offered me refund for one day and said i needed to sign some papers first. i dont know what the papers were but i assume that they were something to do with not going any further with the matter. their insurance has called me twice and i have refused to talk with them. i called an attorney that i know in richmond va and he has taken the case. i dont know what the case is worth or what the end result will be. my attorney called me the other day and said that he has already received a letter from the insurance company..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stayed i the hampton inn in virginia on january 9th and 10th. i live in ohio and on the17th i started to burning real bad in the shower and i noticed that red bumps were coming out on my legs, arms and chest. i went to the doctor on the 20th of january and he said it was scabies.he gave me some cream to put on it from the neck down. this has helped but now it is coming back in spots. anyway i contacted the manager at the hotel and i sent him the doctors statement and the bill. they sent this to their insurance company. the manager called me and offered me refund for one day and said i needed to sign some papers first. i dont know what the papers were but i assume that they were something to do with not going any further with the matter. their insurance has called me twice and i have refused to talk with them. i called an attorney that i know in richmond va and he has taken the case. i dont know what the case is worth or what the end result will be. my attorney called me the other day and said that he has already received a letter from the insurance company..</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bed bug sniffing dogs could have come into the hotel and determined whether or not they had a problem, and which rooms exactly were infested.  This would not have proven whose fault it was, but at least if they had an infestation they could properly deal with it instead of lamely washing the sheets and calling it done.  I think routine canine inspection should be the standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bed bug sniffing dogs could have come into the hotel and determined whether or not they had a problem, and which rooms exactly were infested.  This would not have proven whose fault it was, but at least if they had an infestation they could properly deal with it instead of lamely washing the sheets and calling it done.  I think routine canine inspection should be the standard.</p>
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		<title>By: David Garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to comment on the bedbug situation. I am a Colorado licensed pest control tech. First of all bed bugs can live up to 18 months without feeding, I have seen this myself. When they bite you might not have a reaction for up to 24 hours. Just getting rid of couches or beds doesn&#039;t mean you are going to get rid of the problem. In fact chances are they are still there. Now I have treated for bedbugs in downtown denver for years and people think that if they move or if they get rid of a couch they will be bettter. Here are some tips that you should do ALWAYS when traveling or visiting outside of your home. NEVER unpack your clothes with your suitcase on the bed. It doesnt matter if anyplace hasnt have bedbugs ever this is a great rule to start with. Next When packing up to go home from a vacation ALWAYS completely empty all of your suitcases, purse, bags. Shake out everything before repacking right before leaving. (when repacking also dont have your suitcase on the bed, use a counter if you have too.) Now when you get home DO NOT put your luggage inside your home or apartment. If you are going to not wash your clothes right away store them in the garage or storage. (if the storage is inside your apartment you will have to find a different place.)  Next shake out all of your clothes OUTSIDE before bringing them in to wash and dry. Wash and dry right away. The clothes your wearing when you come home and when your washing need the same treatment. Now this might sound like alot of work but I have never had bedbugs in my home and I have been in places with thousands. I am not exaggerating when I say thousands. So I hope you take my advise and you will have a peace of mind when leaving anyplace with bedbugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to comment on the bedbug situation. I am a Colorado licensed pest control tech. First of all bed bugs can live up to 18 months without feeding, I have seen this myself. When they bite you might not have a reaction for up to 24 hours. Just getting rid of couches or beds doesn&#8217;t mean you are going to get rid of the problem. In fact chances are they are still there. Now I have treated for bedbugs in downtown denver for years and people think that if they move or if they get rid of a couch they will be bettter. Here are some tips that you should do ALWAYS when traveling or visiting outside of your home. NEVER unpack your clothes with your suitcase on the bed. It doesnt matter if anyplace hasnt have bedbugs ever this is a great rule to start with. Next When packing up to go home from a vacation ALWAYS completely empty all of your suitcases, purse, bags. Shake out everything before repacking right before leaving. (when repacking also dont have your suitcase on the bed, use a counter if you have too.) Now when you get home DO NOT put your luggage inside your home or apartment. If you are going to not wash your clothes right away store them in the garage or storage. (if the storage is inside your apartment you will have to find a different place.)  Next shake out all of your clothes OUTSIDE before bringing them in to wash and dry. Wash and dry right away. The clothes your wearing when you come home and when your washing need the same treatment. Now this might sound like alot of work but I have never had bedbugs in my home and I have been in places with thousands. I am not exaggerating when I say thousands. So I hope you take my advise and you will have a peace of mind when leaving anyplace with bedbugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just had a bedbug experience at a different hotel this past weekend and after reading up on the little buggers (sorry) extensively, it sounds like her story is not patently false.

Some fun facts I learned: it can take up to 9 days for bites to show and a relatively large percentage of the population does not get the huge red welts that are generally associated with bedbug bites.  I slept on a king-size bed with my friend.  When we woke up in the morning, I had just a few welts on my leg and my friend was seemingly bite-free.  My friend still seems fine, but two days later, I am seeing more and more hive-like welts appear on my skin, even though we only slept in the infested room on the first night.  I actually saw one of the bedbugs and was able to get it in a plastic bag to show to the hotel&#039;s management, so there&#039;s no question that the bites were caused by bedbugs in our case.  

It is extremely difficult to get rid of a bedbug infestation - they can live for up to two years without feeding and are not affected by most pesticides.  It can also be difficult to determine whether there is an infestation, particularly if the bugs are not just staying in the typical creases of the mattress.  My sister&#039;s pest control guy told her that one of his repeat clients kept having bedbug problems in every apartment that he moved to.  It turned out that the bedbugs had created a nest in the guy&#039;s CD player, so they were re-infesting every new home he lived in.  Scary thought!

Looking at bedbug suit case law, she has a decent chance of being successful in court - probably not for punitive damages, but reimbursement for the money she&#039;s out is not out of the question.  Cases supporting large punitive payouts seem to be only where the hotel knows about the ongoing problem and chooses to ignore it - as in Mathias v. Accor Economy Lodging, Inc., 347 F.3d 672 (7th Cir. 2003).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had a bedbug experience at a different hotel this past weekend and after reading up on the little buggers (sorry) extensively, it sounds like her story is not patently false.</p>
<p>Some fun facts I learned: it can take up to 9 days for bites to show and a relatively large percentage of the population does not get the huge red welts that are generally associated with bedbug bites.  I slept on a king-size bed with my friend.  When we woke up in the morning, I had just a few welts on my leg and my friend was seemingly bite-free.  My friend still seems fine, but two days later, I am seeing more and more hive-like welts appear on my skin, even though we only slept in the infested room on the first night.  I actually saw one of the bedbugs and was able to get it in a plastic bag to show to the hotel&#8217;s management, so there&#8217;s no question that the bites were caused by bedbugs in our case.  </p>
<p>It is extremely difficult to get rid of a bedbug infestation &#8211; they can live for up to two years without feeding and are not affected by most pesticides.  It can also be difficult to determine whether there is an infestation, particularly if the bugs are not just staying in the typical creases of the mattress.  My sister&#8217;s pest control guy told her that one of his repeat clients kept having bedbug problems in every apartment that he moved to.  It turned out that the bedbugs had created a nest in the guy&#8217;s CD player, so they were re-infesting every new home he lived in.  Scary thought!</p>
<p>Looking at bedbug suit case law, she has a decent chance of being successful in court &#8211; probably not for punitive damages, but reimbursement for the money she&#8217;s out is not out of the question.  Cases supporting large punitive payouts seem to be only where the hotel knows about the ongoing problem and chooses to ignore it &#8211; as in Mathias v. Accor Economy Lodging, Inc., 347 F.3d 672 (7th Cir. 2003).</p>
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		<title>By: sammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She may be totally correct in that in her area of CO there are no fleas. I spent 20+ years living in the Boulder Denver area, 10 of those with a dog who was severly allergic to fleas. After moving from CA to CO she never again had a flea bite.

I&#039;ve been the victim of bed bugs, and within a day of sleeping in a bed that was infested I had over 150 bites, so I&#039;m having a hard time with her &quot;three&quot; bites. These guys are NASTY and don&#039;t just stop after a small nibble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She may be totally correct in that in her area of CO there are no fleas. I spent 20+ years living in the Boulder Denver area, 10 of those with a dog who was severly allergic to fleas. After moving from CA to CO she never again had a flea bite.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been the victim of bed bugs, and within a day of sleeping in a bed that was infested I had over 150 bites, so I&#8217;m having a hard time with her &#8220;three&#8221; bites. These guys are NASTY and don&#8217;t just stop after a small nibble.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, this is par for the course with the Stanley.  We were given a night there as a wedding gift last year, and using the gift was a nightmare.  It is a very poorly run hotel.  Everything was clean, and we didn&#039;t get bed-bugs (thank God).  We were given a &quot;complimentary&quot; upgrade on check-in to the nicest room in the hotel, which we appreciated.  But, when we checked out, they tried to charge us for the full room rate (after saying we had been upgraded compliments of the hotel)  and they also tried to charge us for our pre-paid room.  We pointed out the error, and everything seemed fine.  The next credit card statement that arrived, they had again charged our credit card for the same cost we had disputed with them at check-out.  Later, they double-billed the gift-giver for the entire amount of the upgraded room.  It was a nightmare trying to get these charges fixed.  It went on for months.

Stay somewhere else.  There are a lot of nice places in Estes Park that are a lot cheaper and that are run more competently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, this is par for the course with the Stanley.  We were given a night there as a wedding gift last year, and using the gift was a nightmare.  It is a very poorly run hotel.  Everything was clean, and we didn&#8217;t get bed-bugs (thank God).  We were given a &#8220;complimentary&#8221; upgrade on check-in to the nicest room in the hotel, which we appreciated.  But, when we checked out, they tried to charge us for the full room rate (after saying we had been upgraded compliments of the hotel)  and they also tried to charge us for our pre-paid room.  We pointed out the error, and everything seemed fine.  The next credit card statement that arrived, they had again charged our credit card for the same cost we had disputed with them at check-out.  Later, they double-billed the gift-giver for the entire amount of the upgraded room.  It was a nightmare trying to get these charges fixed.  It went on for months.</p>
<p>Stay somewhere else.  There are a lot of nice places in Estes Park that are a lot cheaper and that are run more competently.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Glen

Admitedly I do not practice bed bug litigation and hope never to.  However, your legal analysis is problematic

Do you know for a fact that a doctor cannot establish when she was first bitten.  I doubt that you are correct basically because establishing timelines is the meat and potatoes of forensic medicine.  As far as no one else in the party being bitten, we do not know the sleeping arrangements or type of clothing worn by other members of the party.

You are confusing civil with criminal matters.  In a civil case, all she has to prove is that its more likely than not that the bed bugs came from the hotel.  She does not have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt  or to a scientific or medical certainty.

As far as the level of infestation, without hard numbers, e.g. how many bugs were brought back, we cannot say whether the level of infestation was reasonably caused by the hotel trip.

@David Z

Good question.  You are thinking about negligence in which case you would be correct.  However, businesses are held to a higher standard of strict scrutiny, which means that the business is liable for any reasonably foreseeable harm caused by the use of its goods and servives.  Fault on the part of the business is not required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Glen</p>
<p>Admitedly I do not practice bed bug litigation and hope never to.  However, your legal analysis is problematic</p>
<p>Do you know for a fact that a doctor cannot establish when she was first bitten.  I doubt that you are correct basically because establishing timelines is the meat and potatoes of forensic medicine.  As far as no one else in the party being bitten, we do not know the sleeping arrangements or type of clothing worn by other members of the party.</p>
<p>You are confusing civil with criminal matters.  In a civil case, all she has to prove is that its more likely than not that the bed bugs came from the hotel.  She does not have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt  or to a scientific or medical certainty.</p>
<p>As far as the level of infestation, without hard numbers, e.g. how many bugs were brought back, we cannot say whether the level of infestation was reasonably caused by the hotel trip.</p>
<p>@David Z</p>
<p>Good question.  You are thinking about negligence in which case you would be correct.  However, businesses are held to a higher standard of strict scrutiny, which means that the business is liable for any reasonably foreseeable harm caused by the use of its goods and servives.  Fault on the part of the business is not required.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Womack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Womack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say while the hotel may technically be correct, their &quot;bug off&quot; (sorry, couldn&#039;t resist) tone in their letter to her is reprehensible, especially for a well known distinguished hotel like the Stanley (I have stayed there).  

They should have at the very least offered her a slight credit or refund on her room, which if they know ANYTHING about business, is a small small price to pay to avoid a very costly negative word-of-mouth or media campaign. 

But obviously Cullen is a jack-A$$, and wants to lose as much business over this as possible, as does their owning corp that didn&#039;t respond. 

I mean hello, they know Chris is a reporter / columnist, that their reply will be widely seen and in the known published reply they are still rude to the customer?  They deserve to go out of business and hopefully someone smarter and better will buy the Stanley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say while the hotel may technically be correct, their &#8220;bug off&#8221; (sorry, couldn&#8217;t resist) tone in their letter to her is reprehensible, especially for a well known distinguished hotel like the Stanley (I have stayed there).  </p>
<p>They should have at the very least offered her a slight credit or refund on her room, which if they know ANYTHING about business, is a small small price to pay to avoid a very costly negative word-of-mouth or media campaign. </p>
<p>But obviously Cullen is a jack-A$$, and wants to lose as much business over this as possible, as does their owning corp that didn&#8217;t respond. </p>
<p>I mean hello, they know Chris is a reporter / columnist, that their reply will be widely seen and in the known published reply they are still rude to the customer?  They deserve to go out of business and hopefully someone smarter and better will buy the Stanley.</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A businesst is responsible for any reasonably foreseable harm that results from the use of its goods and services even if the business is not negligent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But what if the business indeed took reasonable steps to prevent any possibly foreseeable harm &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt; time? From Chris&#039; article, it seems Ms. Kobayashi notified the hotel what happened &lt;b&gt;after&lt;/b&gt; they checked out rather than &lt;b&gt;during&lt;/b&gt; their stay. (or at least that&#039;s what the hotel said...)

Then again, you did say fairly easy case. :)  Who knows?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A businesst is responsible for any reasonably foreseable harm that results from the use of its goods and services even if the business is not negligent.</p></blockquote>
<p>But what if the business indeed took reasonable steps to prevent any possibly foreseeable harm <b>that</b> time? From Chris&#8217; article, it seems Ms. Kobayashi notified the hotel what happened <b>after</b> they checked out rather than <b>during</b> their stay. (or at least that&#8217;s what the hotel said&#8230;)</p>
<p>Then again, you did say fairly easy case. :)  Who knows?</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another note:  Bed bugs only lay about 3-4 eggs a day, and the time from egg hatch to egg laying will be 4 to 9 weeks (under favorable conditions).   To get the level of whole house infestation she is talking about would have taken MUCH more than 3-4 months.   Either she&#039;s had bed bugs for over a year, or else more new ones keep getting carried in on a regular basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another note:  Bed bugs only lay about 3-4 eggs a day, and the time from egg hatch to egg laying will be 4 to 9 weeks (under favorable conditions).   To get the level of whole house infestation she is talking about would have taken MUCH more than 3-4 months.   Either she&#8217;s had bed bugs for over a year, or else more new ones keep getting carried in on a regular basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fact:: Colorado has almost 80 species of fleas, and is one of the leading states in our nation in cases of flea transmitted plague (even as high as Colorado Springs).

Second, a doctor can NOT tell when you were first bitten, especially if you don&#039;t go for almost 2 weeks after your supposed first incident.

Third, she mentions 3 bites on the 14th... but no new bites on the 15th when she was checking out???  And no one else in her party was bit???  Must not have been very hungry bed bugs ;-)

Unless she can show that she, her family and pets have NEVER been outside of her house except for the once in a lifetime trip to that hotel... she doesn&#039;t have a leg to stand on in court.  I would suggest she check with her household insurance to cover the cost of the exterminations and furniture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact:: Colorado has almost 80 species of fleas, and is one of the leading states in our nation in cases of flea transmitted plague (even as high as Colorado Springs).</p>
<p>Second, a doctor can NOT tell when you were first bitten, especially if you don&#8217;t go for almost 2 weeks after your supposed first incident.</p>
<p>Third, she mentions 3 bites on the 14th&#8230; but no new bites on the 15th when she was checking out???  And no one else in her party was bit???  Must not have been very hungry bed bugs ;-)</p>
<p>Unless she can show that she, her family and pets have NEVER been outside of her house except for the once in a lifetime trip to that hotel&#8230; she doesn&#8217;t have a leg to stand on in court.  I would suggest she check with her household insurance to cover the cost of the exterminations and furniture.</p>
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		<title>By: Les Wilder</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/hotel-bedbug-horror-degenerates-into-a-war-of-words/comment-page-1/#comment-20380</link>
		<dc:creator>Les Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depending on where in Colorado Ms Kobayahsi lives she may well be correct about the flea issue. Generally fleas do not survive above about 4000 ft. elevation, a description which includes much of Colorado.

As for bedbugs .... I got nailed on an upscale cruise ship after I requested different pillows from our steward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depending on where in Colorado Ms Kobayahsi lives she may well be correct about the flea issue. Generally fleas do not survive above about 4000 ft. elevation, a description which includes much of Colorado.</p>
<p>As for bedbugs &#8230;. I got nailed on an upscale cruise ship after I requested different pillows from our steward.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/hotel-bedbug-horror-degenerates-into-a-war-of-words/comment-page-1/#comment-20370</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes!  I&#039;ll be sure to stay clear of the Stanley Hotel.  Bed bugs are a serious matter, and one a deceitful person would not choose to try to get over on a hotel.  Instead of taking the bed bug matter seriously, and discretely with Kobayashi to find a definite resolution (they should have communicated with her instead of trying to avoid conflict, etc) she will now have to take the Stanley Hotel to court, and all of us Elliott.org readers will pass the bad word around..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes!  I&#8217;ll be sure to stay clear of the Stanley Hotel.  Bed bugs are a serious matter, and one a deceitful person would not choose to try to get over on a hotel.  Instead of taking the bed bug matter seriously, and discretely with Kobayashi to find a definite resolution (they should have communicated with her instead of trying to avoid conflict, etc) she will now have to take the Stanley Hotel to court, and all of us Elliott.org readers will pass the bad word around..</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/hotel-bedbug-horror-degenerates-into-a-war-of-words/comment-page-1/#comment-20369</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is actually a fairly easy case to win.  First, she needs to establish that the bites were bedbugs and not fleas.  If she went to a doctor then the doctor&#039;s medical records can establish the cause of the bites.

Secondly, she needs to establish the timeline of the first set of bites.  Again, a note from a medical professional would establish when she was first bitten by the bedbugs.   

Negligence is not an issue.  A businesst is responsible for any reasonably foreseable harm that results from the use of its goods and services even if the business is not negligent.

Then she gets her damages which would be at least the medical bills. A court may or may not give her the replacement couches. That would depend on the specifics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is actually a fairly easy case to win.  First, she needs to establish that the bites were bedbugs and not fleas.  If she went to a doctor then the doctor&#8217;s medical records can establish the cause of the bites.</p>
<p>Secondly, she needs to establish the timeline of the first set of bites.  Again, a note from a medical professional would establish when she was first bitten by the bedbugs.   </p>
<p>Negligence is not an issue.  A businesst is responsible for any reasonably foreseable harm that results from the use of its goods and services even if the business is not negligent.</p>
<p>Then she gets her damages which would be at least the medical bills. A court may or may not give her the replacement couches. That would depend on the specifics.</p>
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