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	<title>Comments on: Help! My airline charged me for a car seat &#8212; and it&#8217;s keeping the money</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know how they paid, but absent a reply or refund in a timely manner (i.e., by the end of the credit card billing cycle) I&#039;d dispute the charge.

Also, not all car seats are FAA approved.  People bring and check them so that they can use them in a car on arrival. As to why the airlines don&#039;t have approved seats available for children on paid tickets I have no clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know how they paid, but absent a reply or refund in a timely manner (i.e., by the end of the credit card billing cycle) I&#8217;d dispute the charge.</p>
<p>Also, not all car seats are FAA approved.  People bring and check them so that they can use them in a car on arrival. As to why the airlines don&#8217;t have approved seats available for children on paid tickets I have no clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris:

You noted &quot;The airline was correct to suggest Sykes deal with the refund while he was still at the airport.&quot;

However, that&#039;s not what the airline said. The customer flew from Detroit to Houston - and only THEN was it discovered, by an alert porter, that the charge was in error. Continental didn&#039;t say &quot;deal with it while you were still at the airport&quot;; he &quot;was told that the situation needed to be resolved before the flight occurred&quot;--in other words, his only recourse was gone before the error was discovered.

And of course, once you get involved, they fall all over themselves to distance themselves from what their own representatives told the passenger. It should be clear by now that even Continental, which used to stand above the crowd, kind of like a midget among pygmies, is subject to the same kind of short-sighted money-grubbing fee myopia that has spread like a virus through the entire Plestiocene airline management ranks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris:</p>
<p>You noted &#8220;The airline was correct to suggest Sykes deal with the refund while he was still at the airport.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, that&#8217;s not what the airline said. The customer flew from Detroit to Houston &#8211; and only THEN was it discovered, by an alert porter, that the charge was in error. Continental didn&#8217;t say &#8220;deal with it while you were still at the airport&#8221;; he &#8220;was told that the situation needed to be resolved before the flight occurred&#8221;&#8211;in other words, his only recourse was gone before the error was discovered.</p>
<p>And of course, once you get involved, they fall all over themselves to distance themselves from what their own representatives told the passenger. It should be clear by now that even Continental, which used to stand above the crowd, kind of like a midget among pygmies, is subject to the same kind of short-sighted money-grubbing fee myopia that has spread like a virus through the entire Plestiocene airline management ranks.</p>
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		<title>By: Links for 11.13 &#171; SixSuitcaseTravel</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Help! My airline charged me for a car chair &#8212; and it&#8217;s gripping the money There have been sure equipment for which made at home airlines will substantially never charge, similar to strollers and kid reserve seats. Cashing in on babies is only seen as run-down by many airline passengers. So when Continental Airlines inadvertently charged Greg Sykes for his child&#8217;s car seat, he approaching a quick&#8230;  http://www.elliott.org [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbie wrote:
&quot;Remember also you do not have a right to fly ; it is a privilege as in a drivers license.&quot;

Whoa!!  That&#039;s quite a statement.  I&#039;ll agree it&#039;s not a right, but I SURE wouldn&#039;t call flying these days a &quot;priviledge&quot;.  It&#039;s more like a &quot;grit-your-teeth and get thru it&quot; experience that you have to subject yourself to in order to get to your vacation.

Probably why I&#039;m gonna take the &quot;Auto-Train&quot; to Florida in Feb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbie wrote:<br />
&#8220;Remember also you do not have a right to fly ; it is a privilege as in a drivers license.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whoa!!  That&#8217;s quite a statement.  I&#8217;ll agree it&#8217;s not a right, but I SURE wouldn&#8217;t call flying these days a &#8220;priviledge&#8221;.  It&#8217;s more like a &#8220;grit-your-teeth and get thru it&#8221; experience that you have to subject yourself to in order to get to your vacation.</p>
<p>Probably why I&#8217;m gonna take the &#8220;Auto-Train&#8221; to Florida in Feb.</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You folks may not believe when I say this, but...I rather agree with Barbie &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; on the idea that flying is a &quot;privilege&quot; rather than a &quot;right&quot; as many seem to believe. If anything, your right is only as good as your ability to enforce it, especially on those who don&#039;t agree with it, and those rights are essentially dictated by any applicable law and/or agreement. (e.g. contract of carriage)

Of course, that&#039;s a somewhat topic off from the one Chris E wrote about here. Just setting that aside.

Anyway, what LeeAnne commented is also a dilemma. While I also agree with Chris&#039; suggestion to deal with the issue on the spot, not everyone has that so-called luxury when one needs to board ASAP.

And yeah, I don&#039;t understand either why the Continental folks wouldn&#039;t just resolve the issue there and then without Chris&#039; intervention. Especially when they themselves seemingly acknowledged it.

Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You folks may not believe when I say this, but&#8230;I rather agree with Barbie <i>only</i> on the idea that flying is a &#8220;privilege&#8221; rather than a &#8220;right&#8221; as many seem to believe. If anything, your right is only as good as your ability to enforce it, especially on those who don&#8217;t agree with it, and those rights are essentially dictated by any applicable law and/or agreement. (e.g. contract of carriage)</p>
<p>Of course, that&#8217;s a somewhat topic off from the one Chris E wrote about here. Just setting that aside.</p>
<p>Anyway, what LeeAnne commented is also a dilemma. While I also agree with Chris&#8217; suggestion to deal with the issue on the spot, not everyone has that so-called luxury when one needs to board ASAP.</p>
<p>And yeah, I don&#8217;t understand either why the Continental folks wouldn&#8217;t just resolve the issue there and then without Chris&#8217; intervention. Especially when they themselves seemingly acknowledged it.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Barbie, please stay on topic. Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frostysnowman, @Mike, @RegularJoe, @Merlin, and all the rest of you who are tired of the invasion of this site:

Sigh......

I feel your pain.  Believe me.  It&#039;s sad.  And I too wish Christopher would do something about it.  I asked him to.  But he has made his position clear:  that all comments are welcome, no matter how moronic, off-topic, offensive, and utterly unreadable.  I have since determined that it&#039;s best just to ignore her.  We thinking humans who speak normal English really can have intelligent conversations.  We have to just zap over the ones that are filled with meaningless drivel.

This comments thread has become quite diverted from the original article.  The fact is that the original article had nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not someone should check a carseat or bring it onboard.  Neither did have anything to do with buying tickets for children, or if parents shouldn&#039;t even bring children on flights (and as a parent, I find that suggestion to be offensive).  It&#039;s definitely not about TSA no-fly lists, or whether air travel is a right or a priviledge. 

It&#039;s about the simple fact that Continental broke its own stated policy and charged a passenger improperly for something that should have been checked for free. And when the passenger rightfully asked for his money back, they actually had the audacity to say NO - for the incomprehensible reason that he hadn&#039;t been able to strong-arm the agent who initially improperly charged him, not to charge him!  The twisted logic there defies explanation.

Once again, Christopher managed to ride in on his white horse and get the airline to own up to its mistake and make it right.  Thank goodness we have him.  But the fact that they wouldn&#039;t do it the first time the customer asked is bad enough.  Shame on them for even making that argument to begin with!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frostysnowman, @Mike, @RegularJoe, @Merlin, and all the rest of you who are tired of the invasion of this site:</p>
<p>Sigh&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I feel your pain.  Believe me.  It&#8217;s sad.  And I too wish Christopher would do something about it.  I asked him to.  But he has made his position clear:  that all comments are welcome, no matter how moronic, off-topic, offensive, and utterly unreadable.  I have since determined that it&#8217;s best just to ignore her.  We thinking humans who speak normal English really can have intelligent conversations.  We have to just zap over the ones that are filled with meaningless drivel.</p>
<p>This comments thread has become quite diverted from the original article.  The fact is that the original article had nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not someone should check a carseat or bring it onboard.  Neither did have anything to do with buying tickets for children, or if parents shouldn&#8217;t even bring children on flights (and as a parent, I find that suggestion to be offensive).  It&#8217;s definitely not about TSA no-fly lists, or whether air travel is a right or a priviledge. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s about the simple fact that Continental broke its own stated policy and charged a passenger improperly for something that should have been checked for free. And when the passenger rightfully asked for his money back, they actually had the audacity to say NO &#8211; for the incomprehensible reason that he hadn&#8217;t been able to strong-arm the agent who initially improperly charged him, not to charge him!  The twisted logic there defies explanation.</p>
<p>Once again, Christopher managed to ride in on his white horse and get the airline to own up to its mistake and make it right.  Thank goodness we have him.  But the fact that they wouldn&#8217;t do it the first time the customer asked is bad enough.  Shame on them for even making that argument to begin with!</p>
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		<title>By: Merlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh.  My.  God.  Now that one made me laugh.  Nothing to do with the topic?  My dear, you are the queen of nothing-to-do-with-the-topic comments.  You are actually legendary for them.  My friends and I, who read this column regularly, often sit around and laugh ourselves silly over your latest nonsense.

We do enjoy the entertainment value.  But we feed badly for poor Mr. Elliott, whose otherwise intelligent comments forum is rendered pretty much useless by your non-English, non-sensical, non-topical non-comments.

And frankly, the fact that you are American makes this whole situation even scarier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh.  My.  God.  Now that one made me laugh.  Nothing to do with the topic?  My dear, you are the queen of nothing-to-do-with-the-topic comments.  You are actually legendary for them.  My friends and I, who read this column regularly, often sit around and laugh ourselves silly over your latest nonsense.</p>
<p>We do enjoy the entertainment value.  But we feed badly for poor Mr. Elliott, whose otherwise intelligent comments forum is rendered pretty much useless by your non-English, non-sensical, non-topical non-comments.</p>
<p>And frankly, the fact that you are American makes this whole situation even scarier.</p>
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		<title>By: barbie45</title>
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		<dc:creator>barbie45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merlin ; nothing to do with topic.</description>
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		<title>By: barbie45</title>
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		<dc:creator>barbie45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raven you are correct.By the way I am an American citizen. I am very proud of that. Also what could be easier for the most part than getting on a plane. I am sure if you are placed on a no  fly list you have recourses open to you. I am sure that nine-nine percent of people flying have no problems. Just follow directions, do not have an attitude you will be fine. Remember flying is not a right it is a privilege.I will not even venture to guess the number of flights hassle free I have taken more than  most of you.I can also recall steward and and stewardess being used. Also free booze.in coach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raven you are correct.By the way I am an American citizen. I am very proud of that. Also what could be easier for the most part than getting on a plane. I am sure if you are placed on a no  fly list you have recourses open to you. I am sure that nine-nine percent of people flying have no problems. Just follow directions, do not have an attitude you will be fine. Remember flying is not a right it is a privilege.I will not even venture to guess the number of flights hassle free I have taken more than  most of you.I can also recall steward and and stewardess being used. Also free booze.in coach.</p>
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		<title>By: Merlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RegularJoe, I&#039;ve been seeing her comments sprinkled all over this site for months.

Trust me, you are not going to get anything but &quot;otherwise.&quot;  Normal human logic does not appear to be among her skillsets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RegularJoe, I&#8217;ve been seeing her comments sprinkled all over this site for months.</p>
<p>Trust me, you are not going to get anything but &#8220;otherwise.&#8221;  Normal human logic does not appear to be among her skillsets.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off: I live in Europe, I don&#039;t know if the US rules for car seats are different. 
In Europe there are &quot;baby car seats - 0-13 kg&quot; and &quot;toddler car seats - 9-25 kg&quot;. Baby car seats are the basket-like baby-lying-down things, toddler seats are chair-like monstrosities. There&#039;s no way you could fit a toddler car seat in an aeroplane seat. 

My kid grew out of his baby car seat when he was 9 months old. Maybe Baby Sykes was a big kid too, maybe that&#039;s Dad Sykes checked the car seat?  Whatever the reason, it doesn&#039;t change anything about the first issue here: Continental incorrectly charging money for the car seat and refusing a completely legitimate claim for a refund. Personally, I&#039;m an easily pissed-off customer and an episode like this would put Continental on my personal no-fly list for a loooong time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off: I live in Europe, I don&#8217;t know if the US rules for car seats are different.<br />
In Europe there are &#8220;baby car seats &#8211; 0-13 kg&#8221; and &#8220;toddler car seats &#8211; 9-25 kg&#8221;. Baby car seats are the basket-like baby-lying-down things, toddler seats are chair-like monstrosities. There&#8217;s no way you could fit a toddler car seat in an aeroplane seat. </p>
<p>My kid grew out of his baby car seat when he was 9 months old. Maybe Baby Sykes was a big kid too, maybe that&#8217;s Dad Sykes checked the car seat?  Whatever the reason, it doesn&#8217;t change anything about the first issue here: Continental incorrectly charging money for the car seat and refusing a completely legitimate claim for a refund. Personally, I&#8217;m an easily pissed-off customer and an episode like this would put Continental on my personal no-fly list for a loooong time.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see gate agents checking birth certificates on the &quot;under 2 years old lap children.&quot; I flew last week and was seated in front of a family who held a kid who must have been 4 or 5 on their lap just to avoid the fee. There was NO SPACE (this was a ComAir Jet) for this kid. It was totally unsafe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see gate agents checking birth certificates on the &#8220;under 2 years old lap children.&#8221; I flew last week and was seated in front of a family who held a kid who must have been 4 or 5 on their lap just to avoid the fee. There was NO SPACE (this was a ComAir Jet) for this kid. It was totally unsafe.</p>
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		<title>By: RegularJoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>RegularJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbie:  An appropriate moniker.

Take a quick refesher course in basic English and grammar (punctuation is your friend) before you try making an argument, logical or otherwise, on any subject.  Otherwise you sound like, well, like the Barbie you no doubtedly are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbie:  An appropriate moniker.</p>
<p>Take a quick refesher course in basic English and grammar (punctuation is your friend) before you try making an argument, logical or otherwise, on any subject.  Otherwise you sound like, well, like the Barbie you no doubtedly are.</p>
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