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		<title>By: gemwoww</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemwoww</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I would like this wonderful United States of America to do is this. Check out all the terroritst that the U.S has caught within the country (within U.S). Then check back their last boarding schedule into the country - did ANY of them have an SSSS? Unlikely. This is a joke. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would like this wonderful United States of America to do is this. Check out all the terroritst that the U.S has caught within the country (within U.S). Then check back their last boarding schedule into the country &#8211; did ANY of them have an SSSS? Unlikely. This is a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Mekhong Kurt, Bangkok, Thailand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mekhong Kurt, Bangkok, Thailand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 15:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assaulted, I read your story about your wife&#039;s, um, &quot;unpleasant&quot; experience.
If I knew just what direction to do this, I&#039;d get on me knees and bow her way in praise!

What spunk! What a lady!

I&#039;ll bet the agent will be telling that one to the grandkids someday. . . . !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assaulted, I read your story about your wife&#8217;s, um, &#8220;unpleasant&#8221; experience.<br />
If I knew just what direction to do this, I&#8217;d get on me knees and bow her way in praise!</p>
<p>What spunk! What a lady!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet the agent will be telling that one to the grandkids someday. . . . !</p>
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		<title>By: Assaulted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assaulted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 18:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of the previously mentioned scenarios fit our situation.  My wife had the dreaded SSSS on her boarding pass.  She went through the metal detector, a full body scan (in the big machine) and all were clean.  When I came through the other line the TSA agent had her standing spread eagle and was running her hands over every inch, yes, every single inch of her body.  She rubbed her crotch area several times and then said that she needed to secure a a private room.  My wife asked why.  The Agent said that she needed to remove her clothes.  My wife said, &quot;Why wait for the room, just do it right here.&quot;   I thought the Agent was going to pass out.  Another man came over and when the story was relayed to him he told my wife she could go.  

I think they have gone to far this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of the previously mentioned scenarios fit our situation.  My wife had the dreaded SSSS on her boarding pass.  She went through the metal detector, a full body scan (in the big machine) and all were clean.  When I came through the other line the TSA agent had her standing spread eagle and was running her hands over every inch, yes, every single inch of her body.  She rubbed her crotch area several times and then said that she needed to secure a a private room.  My wife asked why.  The Agent said that she needed to remove her clothes.  My wife said, &#8220;Why wait for the room, just do it right here.&#8221;   I thought the Agent was going to pass out.  Another man came over and when the story was relayed to him he told my wife she could go.  </p>
<p>I think they have gone to far this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mekhong Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mekhong Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 16:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had only one experience with getting the SSSS on my boarding pass, at the old international airport in Bangkok, where I live.

I was going on a regional flight and had a round-trip ticket I had purchased in advance. I had carry-on luggage, but no check-in, as I was going for only overnight.

Didn&#039;t even notice the marking until a policeman at security asked me about it. He looked at my ticket, questioned me a bit about the purpose of my trip, why I was living in Thailand (I&#039;m American) -- some brief and easy questions. I finally asked him why he was asking me the questions, and he explained what the marking meant.

Then he took me back to the counter area, but told me to go up by myself and ask for a new boarding pass. I did, and the lady was very apologetic -- it was the lady who had given it to me. She said she had marked it by mistake but couldn&#039;t give me a new boarding pass.

A bit alarmed, I went back to the policeman and told him what she had said. He told me to go with him, and we went back to the counter, with my boarding pass in his hand. He handed it over and said (in English), &quot;Give him a new boarding pass -- now. You made a mistake.&quot; She protested she couldn&#039;t because of the rules, but he told her he didn&#039;t care what the airline rules were, he wasn&#039;t going to have me delayed and searched because of her error.

End of argument.

BUT -- I was worried about missing my plane, and told him so. He got on his walkie talkie, walked me through security since he checked my carry-on bag himself after having me empty my pockets into it, as we *walked.* An airline employee pulled up in a cart, and took me, the policeman still with me, to the airplane, which the policeman had ordered held (but only two or three minutes -- just enough that without his order, I would have missed the flight!). THEN the policeman walked me all the way to the door of the aircraft, though of course I stopped to give my boarding pass and passport to gate personnel.

He had written down my name and passport number along the way, and assured me I&#039;d never have that problem again, unless I did something to mess up.

That was *years* ago -- maybe 8 or so -- and I&#039;ve never had the slightest problem or a marked-up boarding pass since!

Yes, I was delayed a bit, but I had arrived late in the first place due to heavy traffic. But actually, I was impressed with everyone&#039;s performance, even the poor check-in lady, since she didn&#039;t make the rules.

I realize none of that involved the TSA, but my limited experiences with them have been just fine; I&#039;ve been back to the U.S. only twice since it came into existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had only one experience with getting the SSSS on my boarding pass, at the old international airport in Bangkok, where I live.</p>
<p>I was going on a regional flight and had a round-trip ticket I had purchased in advance. I had carry-on luggage, but no check-in, as I was going for only overnight.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t even notice the marking until a policeman at security asked me about it. He looked at my ticket, questioned me a bit about the purpose of my trip, why I was living in Thailand (I&#8217;m American) &#8212; some brief and easy questions. I finally asked him why he was asking me the questions, and he explained what the marking meant.</p>
<p>Then he took me back to the counter area, but told me to go up by myself and ask for a new boarding pass. I did, and the lady was very apologetic &#8212; it was the lady who had given it to me. She said she had marked it by mistake but couldn&#8217;t give me a new boarding pass.</p>
<p>A bit alarmed, I went back to the policeman and told him what she had said. He told me to go with him, and we went back to the counter, with my boarding pass in his hand. He handed it over and said (in English), &#8220;Give him a new boarding pass &#8212; now. You made a mistake.&#8221; She protested she couldn&#8217;t because of the rules, but he told her he didn&#8217;t care what the airline rules were, he wasn&#8217;t going to have me delayed and searched because of her error.</p>
<p>End of argument.</p>
<p>BUT &#8212; I was worried about missing my plane, and told him so. He got on his walkie talkie, walked me through security since he checked my carry-on bag himself after having me empty my pockets into it, as we *walked.* An airline employee pulled up in a cart, and took me, the policeman still with me, to the airplane, which the policeman had ordered held (but only two or three minutes &#8212; just enough that without his order, I would have missed the flight!). THEN the policeman walked me all the way to the door of the aircraft, though of course I stopped to give my boarding pass and passport to gate personnel.</p>
<p>He had written down my name and passport number along the way, and assured me I&#8217;d never have that problem again, unless I did something to mess up.</p>
<p>That was *years* ago &#8212; maybe 8 or so &#8212; and I&#8217;ve never had the slightest problem or a marked-up boarding pass since!</p>
<p>Yes, I was delayed a bit, but I had arrived late in the first place due to heavy traffic. But actually, I was impressed with everyone&#8217;s performance, even the poor check-in lady, since she didn&#8217;t make the rules.</p>
<p>I realize none of that involved the TSA, but my limited experiences with them have been just fine; I&#8217;ve been back to the U.S. only twice since it came into existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before anyone comments to what I said, I realized I left a few things out.  I do realize that TSA and the no fly list has nothing to do with the Philippines, but I am a US Citizen therefore I was placed on the list here when the one way ticket back from Manila to the US was purchased and once placed on the list here I was for lack of better words forwarded to the Philippine gvt as someone to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before anyone comments to what I said, I realized I left a few things out.  I do realize that TSA and the no fly list has nothing to do with the Philippines, but I am a US Citizen therefore I was placed on the list here when the one way ticket back from Manila to the US was purchased and once placed on the list here I was for lack of better words forwarded to the Philippine gvt as someone to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was put on the list last year when I was sent over seas for 6 months with the company I worked for.  When they flew me over I was sent on a one way ticket from the US to the Philippines and I was fine, but when I tried to return I was stopped by sec in Manila had all my luggage searched, I was stripped searched and after two hours I was able to get in line to check in (again) I was then put through 7 more searches which everyone had to go through, but once I arrived in Hong Kong, I was greated my police as soon as I stepped off the plain.  Again searched and questioned.  They had no sence of humor at all either.  I was yet again questioned (not serrched this time) when I was about to board my flight in detroit which was my final connector.  The best part of all was the head agint in charge of questioning me in Detroit was actually someone I had grown up with and he helped get everything cleared up.  I have flown many times since then and not had a problem at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was put on the list last year when I was sent over seas for 6 months with the company I worked for.  When they flew me over I was sent on a one way ticket from the US to the Philippines and I was fine, but when I tried to return I was stopped by sec in Manila had all my luggage searched, I was stripped searched and after two hours I was able to get in line to check in (again) I was then put through 7 more searches which everyone had to go through, but once I arrived in Hong Kong, I was greated my police as soon as I stepped off the plain.  Again searched and questioned.  They had no sence of humor at all either.  I was yet again questioned (not serrched this time) when I was about to board my flight in detroit which was my final connector.  The best part of all was the head agint in charge of questioning me in Detroit was actually someone I had grown up with and he helped get everything cleared up.  I have flown many times since then and not had a problem at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;SSSS&quot; Quad S, Selectee, what ever yo wanna call it is not necessarily random and does not have anything to do with the &quot;no-fly list.&quot; You get this special mark for a variety of reasons.Most commonly is when the computer dosen&#039;t know enough about you, to fix this, join the airline&#039;s frequent flier program and supply your (correct) Frequent Flier number every time to avoid the secondary screening. Also, a small percentage of travelers will be randomly selected by the computer. A fixed list of names is not how you get the SSSS and it would be terribly ineffective given that most people share a common first and last name, much more than you would think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;SSSS&#8221; Quad S, Selectee, what ever yo wanna call it is not necessarily random and does not have anything to do with the &#8220;no-fly list.&#8221; You get this special mark for a variety of reasons.Most commonly is when the computer dosen&#8217;t know enough about you, to fix this, join the airline&#8217;s frequent flier program and supply your (correct) Frequent Flier number every time to avoid the secondary screening. Also, a small percentage of travelers will be randomly selected by the computer. A fixed list of names is not how you get the SSSS and it would be terribly ineffective given that most people share a common first and last name, much more than you would think.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked for TSA for 2 years.....extra screening is not random.....there are several things that will trigger the screening and they have been stated. Last minute purchase, using cash..etc. If you are on the Watch list that will be dealt with at the ticket counter, before you get to TSA screening. 

I was once on the watchlist...I booked on line, but wasn&#039;t able to select seats and I had to check in at the ticket counter. When I arrived  it is when I found out I was on the list and had to show ID and answer additional questions...this was after I left TSA and had a security clearence. I was delayed but in the end did not get any additional screening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for TSA for 2 years&#8230;..extra screening is not random&#8230;..there are several things that will trigger the screening and they have been stated. Last minute purchase, using cash..etc. If you are on the Watch list that will be dealt with at the ticket counter, before you get to TSA screening. </p>
<p>I was once on the watchlist&#8230;I booked on line, but wasn&#8217;t able to select seats and I had to check in at the ticket counter. When I arrived  it is when I found out I was on the list and had to show ID and answer additional questions&#8230;this was after I left TSA and had a security clearence. I was delayed but in the end did not get any additional screening.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not completely random, the rules are discoverable, and the whole thing is almost completely worthless becasue:

- Ground crew, even those with access to the aircraft, don&#039;t go through screening.

- IDs (provided by the traveler) are checked against a piece of paper (also provided by the traveler). The piece of paper isn&#039;t checked to see if it&#039;s valid until you get to the gate, and the ID is only checked to see if it looks genuine. There is no way for TSA to determine that the piece of paper, or the ID, presented by the traveler is actually valid.

- The search for (fictional) dangerous liquids has the TSA so preoccupied confiscating makeup and toothpaste that they are more likely to miss things that are actually dangerous. Like maybe the stuff in the uninspected lunchbox carried by that guy, over there, who cleans the airplanes. Example - while lighters were prohibited items, I regularly carried three or four of them through screening.

Airport &#039;security&#039; is purely theatrics. It&#039;s a case of politicians saying &#039;We must do something. This is something, therefore we must do it.&#039;. It&#039;s not a reasoned and reasonable approach.

As for the randomness - I used to get selected for screening about 80% of the time. I joined a FF program. Now I don&#039;t get selected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not completely random, the rules are discoverable, and the whole thing is almost completely worthless becasue:</p>
<p>- Ground crew, even those with access to the aircraft, don&#8217;t go through screening.</p>
<p>- IDs (provided by the traveler) are checked against a piece of paper (also provided by the traveler). The piece of paper isn&#8217;t checked to see if it&#8217;s valid until you get to the gate, and the ID is only checked to see if it looks genuine. There is no way for TSA to determine that the piece of paper, or the ID, presented by the traveler is actually valid.</p>
<p>- The search for (fictional) dangerous liquids has the TSA so preoccupied confiscating makeup and toothpaste that they are more likely to miss things that are actually dangerous. Like maybe the stuff in the uninspected lunchbox carried by that guy, over there, who cleans the airplanes. Example &#8211; while lighters were prohibited items, I regularly carried three or four of them through screening.</p>
<p>Airport &#8216;security&#8217; is purely theatrics. It&#8217;s a case of politicians saying &#8216;We must do something. This is something, therefore we must do it.&#8217;. It&#8217;s not a reasoned and reasonable approach.</p>
<p>As for the randomness &#8211; I used to get selected for screening about 80% of the time. I joined a FF program. Now I don&#8217;t get selected.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff, if it was truly random, you would think that I would have been picked more than once in the past 6 years. I fly 70-100K miles per year, but almost all on two airlines.  No SSSSSS since early 2002.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, if it was truly random, you would think that I would have been picked more than once in the past 6 years. I fly 70-100K miles per year, but almost all on two airlines.  No SSSSSS since early 2002.</p>
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		<title>By: HI Innkeeper</title>
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		<dc:creator>HI Innkeeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a frequent traveller, the only time the SSSS has ever appeared on my boarding pass was because we missed a connecting flight and were transferred to another airline to complete the trip.  That is hardly a random occurence.

And if the news reports are accurate, the 9/11 hijackers had round trip first class tickets purchased using frequent flyer miles weeks in advance.  The only time I&#039;ve seen a terrorist buy a last minute ticket using cash was in the original Airport movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a frequent traveller, the only time the SSSS has ever appeared on my boarding pass was because we missed a connecting flight and were transferred to another airline to complete the trip.  That is hardly a random occurence.</p>
<p>And if the news reports are accurate, the 9/11 hijackers had round trip first class tickets purchased using frequent flyer miles weeks in advance.  The only time I&#8217;ve seen a terrorist buy a last minute ticket using cash was in the original Airport movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a very difficult time believing these comments were written on this boarding pass. If you look closely, you can see the tape line along the departure and arrival city area. Looking at the ticket, it is a reprint. That flight was also delayed an hour out of Portland going to Las vegas and the ticket agent would not have done that to cause the passenger extra attention, thus missing his flight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a very difficult time believing these comments were written on this boarding pass. If you look closely, you can see the tape line along the departure and arrival city area. Looking at the ticket, it is a reprint. That flight was also delayed an hour out of Portland going to Las vegas and the ticket agent would not have done that to cause the passenger extra attention, thus missing his flight.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the extra search once because I forgot my drivers license.  I did get through security faster.  I was a little worried about what the extra security check would be like, but it really wasn&#039;t that big of a deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the extra search once because I forgot my drivers license.  I did get through security faster.  I was a little worried about what the extra security check would be like, but it really wasn&#8217;t that big of a deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SSSS is a random mark put on the tickets by the computer. I have them on 3 out of 10 of my tickets. If the counter person issueing the pass has any suspisions, you will never get the boarding pass. I t can be there when you check in with electronic check-in, you use curbside, or the human being issues it. It is not to be over-written or ACLU will get involved in one second. The watch list is totally different. It takes a lot to get on or off that list, but being in the airline industry, that SSSS is RANDOM.              Southwest would not have the stupidity of putting that info  as shown on the boarding pass. They are known for their cutesy actions, but that would violate every human right that is in the airline industry and that person would be dismissed and the airline would have some tough explaining to TSA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SSSS is a random mark put on the tickets by the computer. I have them on 3 out of 10 of my tickets. If the counter person issueing the pass has any suspisions, you will never get the boarding pass. I t can be there when you check in with electronic check-in, you use curbside, or the human being issues it. It is not to be over-written or ACLU will get involved in one second. The watch list is totally different. It takes a lot to get on or off that list, but being in the airline industry, that SSSS is RANDOM.              Southwest would not have the stupidity of putting that info  as shown on the boarding pass. They are known for their cutesy actions, but that would violate every human right that is in the airline industry and that person would be dismissed and the airline would have some tough explaining to TSA.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think being in Southwest&#039;s Boarding Group C is worse punishment than a strip search!</description>
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