Comments on: Eco-scandal: American flies 777 to London with just five passengers http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/ The travel troubleshooter. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:25:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: David http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/comment-page-1/#comment-12830 David Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:30:52 +0000 http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/#comment-12830 Thank American Airlines for showing the Eco Crazy people where to shove it. Thank American Airlines for showing the Eco Crazy people where to shove it.

]]> By: Nicholas Barnard http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/comment-page-1/#comment-11050 Nicholas Barnard Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:48:26 +0000 http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/#comment-11050 The outcry shows a lack of logic. Back in the 70s planes were regularly flying half empty (or half full, take your pick.) Now planes are at capacity (e.g. being used more efficiently) failures have bigger consequences because there is less unused capacity to adjust for the failures. Environmentalists should be congratulating airlines for running full flights, even if there is the occasional ferry flight, as a net it still is better than doubling the number of flights and halving the number of people carried on each flight. That would be an environmental travesty. The outcry shows a lack of logic. Back in the 70s planes were regularly flying half empty (or half full, take your pick.) Now planes are at capacity (e.g. being used more efficiently) failures have bigger consequences because there is less unused capacity to adjust for the failures.

Environmentalists should be congratulating airlines for running full flights, even if there is the occasional ferry flight, as a net it still is better than doubling the number of flights and halving the number of people carried on each flight. That would be an environmental travesty.

]]> By: emdfl http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/comment-page-1/#comment-9977 emdfl Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:23:50 +0000 http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/#comment-9977 Nothin' quite as funny as watching the worshipers at the alter of Gore complain about something like this. Then watching them all get on their private jets to fly off to the latest tropical pardise for their next meeting, heh. And yeah, I've flown coast to coast on a 727 with 11 passengers. Nothin’ quite as funny as watching the worshipers at the alter of Gore complain about something like this. Then watching them all get on their private jets to fly off to the latest tropical pardise for their next meeting, heh. And yeah, I’ve flown coast to coast on a 727 with 11 passengers.

]]> By: Brooks Hurd http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/comment-page-1/#comment-9906 Brooks Hurd Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:42:22 +0000 http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/#comment-9906 If AA had cancelled the flight and left a planefull of passengers stranded in London, I am just certain that all of the eco scandal mongers would have been explaining face to face to the passengers how there plight was a huge benefit to the environment. Yea Right! ROFLOL If AA had cancelled the flight and left a planefull of passengers stranded in London, I am just certain that all of the eco scandal mongers would have been explaining face to face to the passengers how there plight was a huge benefit to the environment.
Yea Right!
ROFLOL

]]> By: David http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/comment-page-1/#comment-9888 David Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:32:23 +0000 http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/#comment-9888 Congratulations to AA for making a good good decision!!!! These crazy eco-terrorists are ruining the planet IMHO. So according to them, inconvenience the struggling passenger even more, as long as CO2 isnt released? Maybe a little less hot air from them all would lower the CO2 emissions they are so worried about. Well done American, keep up the good work. And BTW, the plane DID carry a full load of cargo, and the 5 passengers WERE upgraded. AA didnt actually loose money on the flight. Congratulations to AA for making a good good decision!!!! These crazy eco-terrorists are ruining the planet IMHO. So according to them, inconvenience the struggling passenger even more, as long as CO2 isnt released? Maybe a little less hot air from them all would lower the CO2 emissions they are so worried about.
Well done American, keep up the good work. And BTW, the plane DID carry a full load of cargo, and the 5 passengers WERE upgraded.
AA didnt actually loose money on the flight.

]]> By: Jason Zions http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/comment-page-1/#comment-9886 Jason Zions Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:13:48 +0000 http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/#comment-9886 I kinda wonder how much cargo was in the hold of that "empty" 777. My guess is that it was crammed full, probably more full than usual because of the missing weight of passengers and their luggage. I kinda wonder how much cargo was in the hold of that “empty” 777. My guess is that it was crammed full, probably more full than usual because of the missing weight of passengers and their luggage.

]]> By: Joel Wechsler http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/comment-page-1/#comment-9884 Joel Wechsler Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:23:16 +0000 http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/#comment-9884 Having been in the travel industry for over 25 years, I believe this is a tempest in a teapot. Of course empty planes are flown all the time, for various reasons, as anyone familiar with the airline industry should know. The people in the U.K. are simply posturing for effect. I think KDW, above, said it best. Having been in the travel industry for over 25 years, I believe this is a tempest in a teapot. Of course empty planes are flown all the time, for various reasons, as anyone familiar with the airline industry should know. The people in the U.K. are simply posturing for effect. I think KDW, above, said it best.

]]> By: Stephen http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/comment-page-1/#comment-9880 Stephen Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:02:42 +0000 http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/#comment-9880 In addition to all the comments about positioning, etc. The NY Times notes that the plan had a full load of cargo. I suppose that AA could have been environmentally correct by refusing to rebook passengers and making them wait until the plane was ready, so that it could fly with more passengers. In addition to all the comments about positioning, etc. The NY Times notes that the plan had a full load of cargo. I suppose that AA could have been environmentally correct by refusing to rebook passengers and making them wait until the plane was ready, so that it could fly with more passengers.

]]> By: BriCo http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/comment-page-1/#comment-9879 BriCo Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:41:48 +0000 http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/#comment-9879 Apparently lots of UN-frequent flyers have commented on this. ALL airlines fly empty or near-empty planes in order to get them where they are needed. Most are flying fewer planes than before (hence the reason there are, generally, fewer empty seats on flights). And I gurantee no airline is going to fly a plane with mostly empty seats if it's more cost effective to cancel the flight(s). We've all read about stranded passengers whose flight which was cancelled due to "mechanical" or "weather" issues, but think it really was because it was not full enough. Apparently lots of UN-frequent flyers have commented on this. ALL airlines fly empty or near-empty planes in order to get them where they are needed. Most are flying fewer planes than before (hence the reason there are, generally, fewer empty seats on flights). And I gurantee no airline is going to fly a plane with mostly empty seats if it’s more cost effective to cancel the flight(s). We’ve all read about stranded passengers whose flight which was cancelled due to “mechanical” or “weather” issues, but think it really was because it was not full enough.

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/comment-page-1/#comment-9874 Jeremy Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:34:31 +0000 http://www.elliott.org/blog/eco-scandal-american-flies-777-to-london-with-just-five-passengers/#comment-9874 Of course it's a travesty! A little imagination and cross company co-operation could solve this ongoing problem easily. Perhaps two or more international carriers should form co-orperative agreements to cover these eventualities. After all fuel and labour charges are only going to become more and more prohibitive. Perhaps if the airlines were more proactive about promoting any efforts they are taking to be more eco-friendly then the public wouldn't seize upon such stories as they do. As for the rather pathetic comment over whether the complaints would have been made if it was a BA flight, get a life! Global warming is exactly that, GLOBAL. Any company that operates in such a wasteful manner will receive bad press, the reaction would have been worse if it had been a carrier based in the UK probably with the CEO being called to a House of Commons committee to explain why this happens... 'Joe public' here in the UK think all Americans stick their heads in the sand and hope global warming will just disappear. We think you love your gas guzzling Suvs, aircon and electircal toys far too much to save the planet. JF illustates the point banging on about ice over the northern polar regions being thicker than the last two decades, as if that means there is no real evidence of GW. What a load of tosh! Virtually no-one with a brain disputes the arguments that global warming is a very real and present threat to continued human existence on this planet, especially with our ever increasing population count. Don't just believe me, take a look at Nasa's websites concerning the ice pack: http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/stories/greenland/index.html However we know that certain states have fantastic 'green' credentials that we over here aspire to, e.g. California are streets ahead... The extremes of weather we see are very likely results of GW, we are even getting twisters in the UK these days, although luckily not as severe as in the US..yet. All industries and individuals will need to take steps to work in a more sustainable way if we are to return to the percieved 'ideal' weather of the 19th Century. I regularly travel internationally for business conferences and holidays. If I had the choice I would certainly choose to use an airline that had good green credentials, and as it looks like we may be heading for personal carbon annual allowances in Europe over the next few years purchasing choices will involve sustainability in an ever more direct way. We cannot be irresponsible with emissions and expect the rest of the world to take a different view. GW is your personal responsibility, just like it is mine. Of course it’s a travesty! A little imagination and cross company co-operation could solve this ongoing problem easily. Perhaps two or more international carriers should form co-orperative agreements to cover these eventualities. After all fuel and labour charges are only going to become more and more prohibitive. Perhaps if the airlines were more proactive about promoting any efforts they are taking to be more eco-friendly then the public wouldn’t seize upon such stories as they do.

As for the rather pathetic comment over whether the complaints would have been made if it was a BA flight, get a life! Global warming is exactly that, GLOBAL. Any company that operates in such a wasteful manner will receive bad press, the reaction would have been worse if it had been a carrier based in the UK probably with the CEO being called to a House of Commons committee to explain why this happens…

‘Joe public’ here in the UK think all Americans stick their heads in the sand and hope global warming will just disappear. We think you love your gas guzzling Suvs, aircon and electircal toys far too much to save the planet. JF illustates the point banging on about ice over the northern polar regions being thicker than the last two decades, as if that means there is no real evidence of GW. What a load of tosh! Virtually no-one with a brain disputes the arguments that global warming is a very real and present threat to continued human existence on this planet, especially with our ever increasing population count. Don’t just believe me, take a look at Nasa’s websites concerning the ice pack: http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/stories/greenland/index.html
However we know that certain states have fantastic ‘green’ credentials that we over here aspire to, e.g. California are streets ahead… The extremes of weather we see are very likely results of GW, we are even getting twisters in the UK these days, although luckily not as severe as in the US..yet.

All industries and individuals will need to take steps to work in a more sustainable way if we are to return to the percieved ‘ideal’ weather of the 19th Century. I regularly travel internationally for business conferences and holidays. If I had the choice I would certainly choose to use an airline that had good green credentials, and as it looks like we may be heading for personal carbon annual allowances in Europe over the next few years purchasing choices will involve sustainability in an ever more direct way.

We cannot be irresponsible with emissions and expect the rest of the world to take a different view. GW is your personal responsibility, just like it is mine.

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