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		<title>By: Stephen Pickford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Pickford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenni, since your ticket was sold by Mexicana, your contract of sale was with Mexicana.  Hence, you should be taking Mexicana immediately to Small Claims Court.  Let them try to pass the buck to American, but the ticket contract is based on who sold the transportation...and since Mexicana is a OneWorld-wannabe, they are tied to the hip with American hoping to be accepted, hoping beyond all hope. Of course, from my own experience, their lawyer will say he agrees with you and recommend an out-of-court settlement, and that will be the last you hear from them, as they dare you in a game of Airline Chicken to proceed to court thereafter.  I, too, will never fly on Mexicana again.  I was invited by the Cancun CVB on a media tour, and specifically told them that I would not visit their destination unless they placed me on a carrier other than Mexicana, and they agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenni, since your ticket was sold by Mexicana, your contract of sale was with Mexicana.  Hence, you should be taking Mexicana immediately to Small Claims Court.  Let them try to pass the buck to American, but the ticket contract is based on who sold the transportation&#8230;and since Mexicana is a OneWorld-wannabe, they are tied to the hip with American hoping to be accepted, hoping beyond all hope. Of course, from my own experience, their lawyer will say he agrees with you and recommend an out-of-court settlement, and that will be the last you hear from them, as they dare you in a game of Airline Chicken to proceed to court thereafter.  I, too, will never fly on Mexicana again.  I was invited by the Cancun CVB on a media tour, and specifically told them that I would not visit their destination unless they placed me on a carrier other than Mexicana, and they agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: kenni Davies</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenni Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently flew at the end of December  first on American Airlines then connected with mexicana Airlines and landed in Mexiico.  I had three checked pieces of luggage, two I put on the plane for no extra charge but the third piece American Airlines charged me $100.00 for.  It never arrived at my final destination with the other two pieces of luggage.  It&#039;s bad enough that many valuabe items were in this suitcase that can not be replaced, but the most important one is a cream medication that I take to prevent the recurrence of my breast cancer which I was diagnosed with in 2007.  This medication is a cream and so not allowed in cary on luggage. It seems that the security rules are in violation of the traveler&#039;s civil rights and when they interfere with a person&#039;s health well, that goes too far. It&#039;s really a shame. The airlines HAVE DONE NOTHING TO HELP ME, not found my luggage or it sems even bothered to look. I booked my reservation with Mexicana but the first carrier was American Airlines, there was one connection only. It doesn&#039;t seem it would be so difficult for the third bag to get on the flight. Security rules border on extortion and criminal. Travelers are treated like they are the terrorists, when it seems to me that if someone wants to hijack a plane, they will find a way regardless of any regulations.  As a result I will never fly on American Airlines or Mexicana ever again. Ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently flew at the end of December  first on American Airlines then connected with mexicana Airlines and landed in Mexiico.  I had three checked pieces of luggage, two I put on the plane for no extra charge but the third piece American Airlines charged me $100.00 for.  It never arrived at my final destination with the other two pieces of luggage.  It&#8217;s bad enough that many valuabe items were in this suitcase that can not be replaced, but the most important one is a cream medication that I take to prevent the recurrence of my breast cancer which I was diagnosed with in 2007.  This medication is a cream and so not allowed in cary on luggage. It seems that the security rules are in violation of the traveler&#8217;s civil rights and when they interfere with a person&#8217;s health well, that goes too far. It&#8217;s really a shame. The airlines HAVE DONE NOTHING TO HELP ME, not found my luggage or it sems even bothered to look. I booked my reservation with Mexicana but the first carrier was American Airlines, there was one connection only. It doesn&#8217;t seem it would be so difficult for the third bag to get on the flight. Security rules border on extortion and criminal. Travelers are treated like they are the terrorists, when it seems to me that if someone wants to hijack a plane, they will find a way regardless of any regulations.  As a result I will never fly on American Airlines or Mexicana ever again. Ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Pickford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Pickford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you paid your checked luggage fee with a credit card, and your bag is delayed or lost, immediately notify your credit company that the service was not provided by the retailer, i.e. carriage aboard Flight X, or delivery within X hours of stated arrival time, and saddle them with the bureaucratic paperwork of dealing with the banks.  That will give a few Okies in Tulsa an AAwesome day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you paid your checked luggage fee with a credit card, and your bag is delayed or lost, immediately notify your credit company that the service was not provided by the retailer, i.e. carriage aboard Flight X, or delivery within X hours of stated arrival time, and saddle them with the bureaucratic paperwork of dealing with the banks.  That will give a few Okies in Tulsa an AAwesome day.</p>
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		<title>By: Xanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastian - My husband and I, my mother, brother, etc all travel with sandwiches or other food items from home and we bring our own (empty) water bottles to fill at water fountains once past security just so we are no hostage to the expensive, mediocre and generally unhealthy in-flight snacks on offer.  We&#039;ve not had any trouble so far...

I do get crabby with people who glibly say to just use carry-on luggage - contact solution, hiking stick and various other things must be in checked bags for which you are charged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian &#8211; My husband and I, my mother, brother, etc all travel with sandwiches or other food items from home and we bring our own (empty) water bottles to fill at water fountains once past security just so we are no hostage to the expensive, mediocre and generally unhealthy in-flight snacks on offer.  We&#8217;ve not had any trouble so far&#8230;</p>
<p>I do get crabby with people who glibly say to just use carry-on luggage &#8211; contact solution, hiking stick and various other things must be in checked bags for which you are charged.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren - it may be too late to answer your question about your liquid medicine, but medicine is excluded from the 3oz limit.  My daughter just flew last week and her liquid medicine passed through with just a simple question. Just make sure the prescription lable is still on it, or if it is an over-the-counter medicine, it must be in the original container with the proper lable.

And to answer the &quot;unbundling&quot; question - yes, there was an airfare increase. In case you missed it, the airlines stated that airfare increases get to the point that people object and stop flying, but if you unbundle a service that is not used by everyone, then the airfare becomes acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren &#8211; it may be too late to answer your question about your liquid medicine, but medicine is excluded from the 3oz limit.  My daughter just flew last week and her liquid medicine passed through with just a simple question. Just make sure the prescription lable is still on it, or if it is an over-the-counter medicine, it must be in the original container with the proper lable.</p>
<p>And to answer the &#8220;unbundling&#8221; question &#8211; yes, there was an airfare increase. In case you missed it, the airlines stated that airfare increases get to the point that people object and stop flying, but if you unbundle a service that is not used by everyone, then the airfare becomes acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Flight Wisdom &#187; Checked Baggage Fees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flight Wisdom &#187; Checked Baggage Fees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] continual reminder of the issues with this system has been made by Chris Elliott, travel blogger, columnist, and reader of our little blog. He asks: Are Airlines [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Okser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian Okser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment will address the new baggage fees along with some of the other proposed fees by the airlines:

If an airline has to charge me for my food, my water, my baggage then so be it. But make it worth my while. If you lose my bag then you should refund me my baggage fee along with a set amount of money instantly, not tomorrow, not next week but within minutes of me realizing that my bag is lost.

Let me bring a sealed water bottle onto an aircraft and if not at least an empty bottle to fill up before boarding the plane. Since 9/11 security at the airports has reached a point where I feel its reasonable to call it excessive. After that day the TSA was created and it started to claim that we couldn&#039;t have scissors, sharp objects or even contact lens solution in our carry on bags. Meanwhile in business and first class its a regular occurrence that passengers are given razor sharp steak knives. I fail to see the logic behind this as I&#039;m sure a terrorist would be willing to spend the extra $2000 to get the knife without a risk of being caught if they&#039;re intending on hijacking the plane.  If a terrorist wants to hijack a plane, they will find a way. Even a pilot once told me that the security is ridiculous and that if someone is determined enough they are going to hijack the plane. In short, there will always be some risk, no matter what you do. Let me bring my own water, I&#039;ll even take a sip in front of the security guard to show that its not a poison or an explosive. Not allowing this basic right is bordering extortion. You ask me to go on a plane with air that dehydrates passengers for up to 6 hours but don&#039;t allow me to bring on my own water. I have no choice but to buy the water from the airline for an outrageous price.

Thirdly, let me bring on my own food without security threatening to arrest me because that Turkey hero from Subway is looking a bit too suspicious. It&#039;s a simple request.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment will address the new baggage fees along with some of the other proposed fees by the airlines:</p>
<p>If an airline has to charge me for my food, my water, my baggage then so be it. But make it worth my while. If you lose my bag then you should refund me my baggage fee along with a set amount of money instantly, not tomorrow, not next week but within minutes of me realizing that my bag is lost.</p>
<p>Let me bring a sealed water bottle onto an aircraft and if not at least an empty bottle to fill up before boarding the plane. Since 9/11 security at the airports has reached a point where I feel its reasonable to call it excessive. After that day the TSA was created and it started to claim that we couldn&#8217;t have scissors, sharp objects or even contact lens solution in our carry on bags. Meanwhile in business and first class its a regular occurrence that passengers are given razor sharp steak knives. I fail to see the logic behind this as I&#8217;m sure a terrorist would be willing to spend the extra $2000 to get the knife without a risk of being caught if they&#8217;re intending on hijacking the plane.  If a terrorist wants to hijack a plane, they will find a way. Even a pilot once told me that the security is ridiculous and that if someone is determined enough they are going to hijack the plane. In short, there will always be some risk, no matter what you do. Let me bring my own water, I&#8217;ll even take a sip in front of the security guard to show that its not a poison or an explosive. Not allowing this basic right is bordering extortion. You ask me to go on a plane with air that dehydrates passengers for up to 6 hours but don&#8217;t allow me to bring on my own water. I have no choice but to buy the water from the airline for an outrageous price.</p>
<p>Thirdly, let me bring on my own food without security threatening to arrest me because that Turkey hero from Subway is looking a bit too suspicious. It&#8217;s a simple request.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver Farrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver Farrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jake. That would be correct. However, As Jasper correctly pointed out, the airlines coupled the unbundling with a fare increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jake. That would be correct. However, As Jasper correctly pointed out, the airlines coupled the unbundling with a fare increase.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver Farrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver Farrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jasper:  You are correct. It is a price increase.  My use of the term unbundling was not to imply otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jasper:  You are correct. It is a price increase.  My use of the term unbundling was not to imply otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this were truly the &#039;unbundling&#039; of a charge long levied on consumers and rolled up into the fare paid, wouldn&#039;t the base fares need to decrease by the same amount to reflect this simple &#039;reallocation&#039; of charges?  And since they didn&#039;t, doesn&#039;t this then fall into the situation that Chris described?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this were truly the &#8216;unbundling&#8217; of a charge long levied on consumers and rolled up into the fare paid, wouldn&#8217;t the base fares need to decrease by the same amount to reflect this simple &#8216;reallocation&#8217; of charges?  And since they didn&#8217;t, doesn&#8217;t this then fall into the situation that Chris described?</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Carver: I disagree with the term &#039;unbundling&#039;. That&#039;s a marketing term designed to sound soft, reasonable and not-so-bad-at-all. Let&#039;s use normal language and just call it what it is: a price increase. A rather large one actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carver: I disagree with the term &#8216;unbundling&#8217;. That&#8217;s a marketing term designed to sound soft, reasonable and not-so-bad-at-all. Let&#8217;s use normal language and just call it what it is: a price increase. A rather large one actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver Farrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carver Farrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am an attorney of 10 years and I can absolutely state that Bob is 100 percent in his legal analysis.  The definition of free means that there are no further obligations on the recipient in order to receive the supposedly &quot;free&quot; goods or services.  For example, a city may have a free parking lot. I do not have to do anything in order to avail myself of the lot. I do not have to be a taxpayer, customer of any store, etc.

 By  comparison, a hotel which offers &quot;free&quot; breakfast or &quot;free&quot; wi-fi is taking liberties with language.  Walk into an Embassy Suites as a non-guest and try to get the &quot;free breakfast&quot;.  While the hotel does not charge separately for the breakfast, you must be a registered (i.e. paying) guest, in order to obtain this &quot;free&quot; benefit.  Therefore, it does not met the legal definition of &quot;free&quot; or gratutitous.

Similarly, the airline ticket that you purchase comes with certain terms and conditions, all of which are factored into the fare.  Whether you avail yourself of all of the  benefits is of no import.  Previously a coach class ticket included 2 pieces of checked luggage (under 50lbs) and one carryon.  That is no longer the case.

The correct term is unbundling.  That means that rather than charging for a &quot;bundle&quot; of good and services, the airlines are choosing to charge for each item separately.  But in both circumstances, they are charging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am an attorney of 10 years and I can absolutely state that Bob is 100 percent in his legal analysis.  The definition of free means that there are no further obligations on the recipient in order to receive the supposedly &#8220;free&#8221; goods or services.  For example, a city may have a free parking lot. I do not have to do anything in order to avail myself of the lot. I do not have to be a taxpayer, customer of any store, etc.</p>
<p> By  comparison, a hotel which offers &#8220;free&#8221; breakfast or &#8220;free&#8221; wi-fi is taking liberties with language.  Walk into an Embassy Suites as a non-guest and try to get the &#8220;free breakfast&#8221;.  While the hotel does not charge separately for the breakfast, you must be a registered (i.e. paying) guest, in order to obtain this &#8220;free&#8221; benefit.  Therefore, it does not met the legal definition of &#8220;free&#8221; or gratutitous.</p>
<p>Similarly, the airline ticket that you purchase comes with certain terms and conditions, all of which are factored into the fare.  Whether you avail yourself of all of the  benefits is of no import.  Previously a coach class ticket included 2 pieces of checked luggage (under 50lbs) and one carryon.  That is no longer the case.</p>
<p>The correct term is unbundling.  That means that rather than charging for a &#8220;bundle&#8221; of good and services, the airlines are choosing to charge for each item separately.  But in both circumstances, they are charging.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious - have the airlines changed their contract of carriage yet to charge the fee?  You know the baggage liability section has not been changed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious &#8211; have the airlines changed their contract of carriage yet to charge the fee?  You know the baggage liability section has not been changed!</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look  I can not do anything about airlines charging extra fees for everything. But I did do something about parking fees at Boston&#039;s Logan Airport. I started a co to provide real valet parking, by reservation only, for Logan customers. We meet customers right at the terminal door, store the car off site and return the car right back to the customer at the terminal door. Our web site is www.loganairportvaletparking.com  We save customers at least $50 when parking for at least 168 hours. And you can not beat the convenience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look  I can not do anything about airlines charging extra fees for everything. But I did do something about parking fees at Boston&#8217;s Logan Airport. I started a co to provide real valet parking, by reservation only, for Logan customers. We meet customers right at the terminal door, store the car off site and return the car right back to the customer at the terminal door. Our web site is <a href="http://www.loganairportvaletparking.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.loganairportvaletparking.com</a>  We save customers at least $50 when parking for at least 168 hours. And you can not beat the convenience.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe someone can help me. I started checking my bag (carry-on size) when the liquid ban went into effect. I have too many liquids, including prescriptions, to get through security. I&#039;d much prefer to carry on, but with the liquid ban and now the checked bag fee, it&#039;s damed if you do damned if you don&#039;t. Any advice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe someone can help me. I started checking my bag (carry-on size) when the liquid ban went into effect. I have too many liquids, including prescriptions, to get through security. I&#8217;d much prefer to carry on, but with the liquid ban and now the checked bag fee, it&#8217;s damed if you do damned if you don&#8217;t. Any advice?</p>
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