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	<title>Comments on: Delusional airline industry pats itself on the back for &#8220;amazing&#8221; customer service</title>
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		<title>By: Barry Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 02:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My “favorite” airline, where I am an elite traveler, still tries to justify offering free mails in first class, and not offering me a special meal, claiming they would rather spend the money on things that customers appreciate more (even though I’ve told them that eating is one of my weaknesses in life, since apparently unlike anyone else it seems, I need to eat in order to live).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My “favorite” airline, where I am an elite traveler, still tries to justify offering free mails in first class, and not offering me a special meal, claiming they would rather spend the money on things that customers appreciate more (even though I’ve told them that eating is one of my weaknesses in life, since apparently unlike anyone else it seems, I need to eat in order to live).</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I own Logan Valet and Fly, a reserved valet parking buisness for Boston&#039;s Logan Airport customers. We are much cheaper than the on site Massport parking if a customer goes away for 7 days. We offer door to door service for a customer&#039; s car. Massport, the operator of Logan is again trying to put me out of buisness at this public authority. These hacks at massport do nothing all day and could never make it in the private sector. They are overpaid and most of them are lazy. The airlines are afraid of them for the most part. They could care less if we offer passengers better parking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own Logan Valet and Fly, a reserved valet parking buisness for Boston&#8217;s Logan Airport customers. We are much cheaper than the on site Massport parking if a customer goes away for 7 days. We offer door to door service for a customer&#8217; s car. Massport, the operator of Logan is again trying to put me out of buisness at this public authority. These hacks at massport do nothing all day and could never make it in the private sector. They are overpaid and most of them are lazy. The airlines are afraid of them for the most part. They could care less if we offer passengers better parking.</p>
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		<title>By: FL Traveler</title>
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		<dc:creator>FL Traveler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that customer service is being rated so high even by the airlines themselves. Of course, I must admit I receieved a rather timely response recently (twice) from AA when I asked them to review what I thought was an excessive fee for cancellation due to illness. In this rather quick reply they said they were &quot;sorry to disappoint&quot; me that they no longer make exceptions for illnesses and that they are &quot;reflexible&quot; with their rules and that most passengers &quot;appreciate&quot; being able to make changes for a &quot;nominal&quot; fee. Hog wash! While I understood their position to a point, I certainly would not say they were being &quot;flexible&quot; and that &quot;nominal fee&quot; is $150 per person which is more than 50% of the fare. (BTW: I emailed Mr. Elliot about the best way to handle my request for review with AA and he was VERY helpful -- and prompt -- in supplying me with a contact form for AA and some tips. Unfortunately, I was not successful in my request!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that customer service is being rated so high even by the airlines themselves. Of course, I must admit I receieved a rather timely response recently (twice) from AA when I asked them to review what I thought was an excessive fee for cancellation due to illness. In this rather quick reply they said they were &#8220;sorry to disappoint&#8221; me that they no longer make exceptions for illnesses and that they are &#8220;reflexible&#8221; with their rules and that most passengers &#8220;appreciate&#8221; being able to make changes for a &#8220;nominal&#8221; fee. Hog wash! While I understood their position to a point, I certainly would not say they were being &#8220;flexible&#8221; and that &#8220;nominal fee&#8221; is $150 per person which is more than 50% of the fare. (BTW: I emailed Mr. Elliot about the best way to handle my request for review with AA and he was VERY helpful &#8212; and prompt &#8212; in supplying me with a contact form for AA and some tips. Unfortunately, I was not successful in my request!)</p>
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		<title>By: BruceP</title>
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		<dc:creator>BruceP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;Today, passengers book reservations, check in for flights and print boarding passes online from their homes, offices or mobile devices; schedule seamless itineraries while airlines and their partners take care of the logistics...&quot;


In other words, the airlines have now off-loaded most of the work of picking through routes and fares onto would-be passengers, saving labor costs (a good thing) but making the professional travel agent business unviable for most (probably a bad thing).  The on-line reservation portals do a good job for simple out-and-back trips, but more complex international iteneraries can be nightmarish.  I&#039;d gladly pay a travel agent&#039;s commission (also now off-loaded to me) for professional help in such a case - a good agent can often more than save the value of the commission.

Disclaimer:  no, I&#039;m not a travel agent! :-)

BP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Today, passengers book reservations, check in for flights and print boarding passes online from their homes, offices or mobile devices; schedule seamless itineraries while airlines and their partners take care of the logistics&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, the airlines have now off-loaded most of the work of picking through routes and fares onto would-be passengers, saving labor costs (a good thing) but making the professional travel agent business unviable for most (probably a bad thing).  The on-line reservation portals do a good job for simple out-and-back trips, but more complex international iteneraries can be nightmarish.  I&#8217;d gladly pay a travel agent&#8217;s commission (also now off-loaded to me) for professional help in such a case &#8211; a good agent can often more than save the value of the commission.</p>
<p>Disclaimer:  no, I&#8217;m not a travel agent! :-)</p>
<p>BP</p>
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		<title>By: Oakland gets top marks for on-time flights; New York loses again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oakland gets top marks for on-time flights; New York loses again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] love to blame weather and an outdated air traffic control system for their horrible on-time record and negative customer feedback, but there is more at work than. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] love to blame weather and an outdated air traffic control system for their horrible on-time record and negative customer feedback, but there is more at work than. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting report - flies in the face of what Paul Greenberg of ZDNet experienced with United Airlines. He&#039;s recently written an article called &quot;Deconstructing United Airlines: Where Customers Are Transactions&quot;.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/crm/?p=874

His experience doesn&#039;t exactly support the proposition that airlines have &#039;amazing customer service.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting report &#8211; flies in the face of what Paul Greenberg of ZDNet experienced with United Airlines. He&#8217;s recently written an article called &#8220;Deconstructing United Airlines: Where Customers Are Transactions&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/crm/?p=874" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.zdnet.com/crm/?p=874</a></p>
<p>His experience doesn&#8217;t exactly support the proposition that airlines have &#8216;amazing customer service.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Richard Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Richard Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathyj September 3, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    “The nation’s outdated, inefficient air traffic control (ATC) system is the primary culprit, allowing poor weather to wreak havoc on flight schedules…”

    I was unaware that modern, efficient ATC systems can control the weather.

They cannot -- but &#039;modern, efficient Air Traffic Control systems&#039; -- and controllers -- can so much more efficiently effect air traffic management and separation as to minimize the delays caused by all traffic having to operate under Instrument Flight Conditions. 

(Captain) B A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathyj September 3, 2009 at 1:55 pm</p>
<p>    “The nation’s outdated, inefficient air traffic control (ATC) system is the primary culprit, allowing poor weather to wreak havoc on flight schedules…”</p>
<p>    I was unaware that modern, efficient ATC systems can control the weather.</p>
<p>They cannot &#8212; but &#8216;modern, efficient Air Traffic Control systems&#8217; &#8212; and controllers &#8212; can so much more efficiently effect air traffic management and separation as to minimize the delays caused by all traffic having to operate under Instrument Flight Conditions. </p>
<p>(Captain) B A</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas H White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas H White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do a google search for &quot;conan comedian airplane&quot; and the first result is a video exerpt of the Louis CK bit on Conan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do a google search for &#8220;conan comedian airplane&#8221; and the first result is a video exerpt of the Louis CK bit on Conan.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Delays that ripple through the system&#039; are not the fault of ATC.  They are the fault of the airlines for scheduling more planes than the runways at the destination airport can handle.  ATC can put airplanes into a 10 min hold or slow them down and make the problems go away so long as the airlines don&#039;t schedule too many flights. 

Look, when there are 2 runways that together can handle 180 operations an hour [90 takeoffs and landings] and the airlines schedule 90 arrivals and 100 departures then 10 flight will be delayed that hour - guaranteed.  NONE of this are the result of ATC delays.  

When ATC slows down arrivals or puts a meter on arrivals - it does so for safety - not to piss off the airlines.  It needs to limit the arrivals so that the instrument approaches the aircraft are using can  handle the flow.  In good weather you can have an airliner adjust speed visually for aircraft in front of them - and they can brake more effectively meaning they get off the runway sooner - meaning the runway and approach have a higher capacity.

This is not brain surgery.  Its common sense - but its easier for the airlines to blame someone else for overscheduling - since overscheduling makes the delay THEIR fault - meaning potential compensation to passengers.

Next - the airlines claim they need &#039;new GPS routes&#039; - so - install the GPS direct equipment in your aircraft - total cost - about $20k per aircraft.  Then they can use the same technology the guys in the little prop planes have been using for decade.   I can fly direct from just south of NY to my destination in SC when I fly.  Saves about 3 gallons every trip - times 7 RT a year = 42 gallons or $172 a year in fuel.  But then I spent the money.   Its not ATC that stops them from flying direct - its their technology which is mostly stuck in the 1990&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Delays that ripple through the system&#8217; are not the fault of ATC.  They are the fault of the airlines for scheduling more planes than the runways at the destination airport can handle.  ATC can put airplanes into a 10 min hold or slow them down and make the problems go away so long as the airlines don&#8217;t schedule too many flights. </p>
<p>Look, when there are 2 runways that together can handle 180 operations an hour [90 takeoffs and landings] and the airlines schedule 90 arrivals and 100 departures then 10 flight will be delayed that hour &#8211; guaranteed.  NONE of this are the result of ATC delays.  </p>
<p>When ATC slows down arrivals or puts a meter on arrivals &#8211; it does so for safety &#8211; not to piss off the airlines.  It needs to limit the arrivals so that the instrument approaches the aircraft are using can  handle the flow.  In good weather you can have an airliner adjust speed visually for aircraft in front of them &#8211; and they can brake more effectively meaning they get off the runway sooner &#8211; meaning the runway and approach have a higher capacity.</p>
<p>This is not brain surgery.  Its common sense &#8211; but its easier for the airlines to blame someone else for overscheduling &#8211; since overscheduling makes the delay THEIR fault &#8211; meaning potential compensation to passengers.</p>
<p>Next &#8211; the airlines claim they need &#8216;new GPS routes&#8217; &#8211; so &#8211; install the GPS direct equipment in your aircraft &#8211; total cost &#8211; about $20k per aircraft.  Then they can use the same technology the guys in the little prop planes have been using for decade.   I can fly direct from just south of NY to my destination in SC when I fly.  Saves about 3 gallons every trip &#8211; times 7 RT a year = 42 gallons or $172 a year in fuel.  But then I spent the money.   Its not ATC that stops them from flying direct &#8211; its their technology which is mostly stuck in the 1990&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Airline Industry and &quot;Amazing&quot; Customer service in the same sentence?
This is a joke right??
We have lowered our expectations to the point of not having any expectations at all, that way no matter how bad it is we are ready for it.
We try our best not to have a conversation with anyone at the airline from the moment we book the flight. It seems that most that work in the industry are very unhappy most of the time. There seems to be so many airline rules that go against customer service that if the customer has any expectations than the employee must find a way to help them understand that no expectations at all is the best way for all involved to make it through the day without confrontation.
We just book our flight, hope for the best and when/if something goes wrong we have to be ready to change our plans and deal with cranky airline employees.
It seems that the airline industry has not only made life miserable for the customer but also for their own employees.
How many of you have talked to a reservation agent or a gate agent that has been unpleasant, even unprovoked? They have to adhere to rules that go against customer service and deal with the customer.
Maybe if the airline industry wants to use the word &quot;amazing&quot; in their description they need to review the rules that completely go against the customer to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Airline Industry and &#8220;Amazing&#8221; Customer service in the same sentence?<br />
This is a joke right??<br />
We have lowered our expectations to the point of not having any expectations at all, that way no matter how bad it is we are ready for it.<br />
We try our best not to have a conversation with anyone at the airline from the moment we book the flight. It seems that most that work in the industry are very unhappy most of the time. There seems to be so many airline rules that go against customer service that if the customer has any expectations than the employee must find a way to help them understand that no expectations at all is the best way for all involved to make it through the day without confrontation.<br />
We just book our flight, hope for the best and when/if something goes wrong we have to be ready to change our plans and deal with cranky airline employees.<br />
It seems that the airline industry has not only made life miserable for the customer but also for their own employees.<br />
How many of you have talked to a reservation agent or a gate agent that has been unpleasant, even unprovoked? They have to adhere to rules that go against customer service and deal with the customer.<br />
Maybe if the airline industry wants to use the word &#8220;amazing&#8221; in their description they need to review the rules that completely go against the customer to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the comedian was on Conan O&#039;Brien, and he was talking about passengers on airline flights who complain about everything.  He referenced a recent flight where Internet service went out after 20 minutes of the flight and the guy next o him mutters, &quot;Well this sucks.&quot;  The comedian was making fun of our sense of entitlement.

But he certainly wasn&#039;t speaking up the customer service qualities of the airlines, in any sense of the word...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the comedian was on Conan O&#8217;Brien, and he was talking about passengers on airline flights who complain about everything.  He referenced a recent flight where Internet service went out after 20 minutes of the flight and the guy next o him mutters, &#8220;Well this sucks.&#8221;  The comedian was making fun of our sense of entitlement.</p>
<p>But he certainly wasn&#8217;t speaking up the customer service qualities of the airlines, in any sense of the word&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best laugh I&#039;ve had all day!

Yes, &quot;amazing&quot; certainly describes my recent airline interactions. Along with &quot;cramped&quot;, &quot;unpleasant&quot;, &quot;inconvenient&quot;, and occasionally &quot;Kafkaesque&quot;.

&quot;Isn’t it amazing that you can be sitting &#039;in a chair in the sky&#039; – which may not recline quite as far as you’d like – but which carries you across the country in just four to five hours and allows you to read, relax and even surf the Internet along the way?&quot;

Yes, and I did all of that back in November 1975, too, except for surfing the Internet. And with roomier seats and delicious meals that came with the ticket.

If this is what airlines provide as a big bag of &quot;amazing&quot; thirty-four years later, I can&#039;t wait until 2043. We&#039;ll probably have flight attendants lashing us with whips and demanding that we pedal faster. Also, when I get to baggage claim, my walker will have been sent to Venus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best laugh I&#8217;ve had all day!</p>
<p>Yes, &#8220;amazing&#8221; certainly describes my recent airline interactions. Along with &#8220;cramped&#8221;, &#8220;unpleasant&#8221;, &#8220;inconvenient&#8221;, and occasionally &#8220;Kafkaesque&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Isn’t it amazing that you can be sitting &#8216;in a chair in the sky&#8217; – which may not recline quite as far as you’d like – but which carries you across the country in just four to five hours and allows you to read, relax and even surf the Internet along the way?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, and I did all of that back in November 1975, too, except for surfing the Internet. And with roomier seats and delicious meals that came with the ticket.</p>
<p>If this is what airlines provide as a big bag of &#8220;amazing&#8221; thirty-four years later, I can&#8217;t wait until 2043. We&#8217;ll probably have flight attendants lashing us with whips and demanding that we pedal faster. Also, when I get to baggage claim, my walker will have been sent to Venus.</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I do agree with that line about airline employees doing their best to ensure the journey&#039;s safe, pleasant and on schedule. I just don&#039;t believe it&#039;s necessarily the CEOs or the higher-level managers.

At least they acknowledge that delays are infuriating both themselves and customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I do agree with that line about airline employees doing their best to ensure the journey&#8217;s safe, pleasant and on schedule. I just don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s necessarily the CEOs or the higher-level managers.</p>
<p>At least they acknowledge that delays are infuriating both themselves and customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Claire, I saw that post. Good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Claire, I saw that post. Good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comedians aside, there is NOTHING amusing about air travel these days. Yesterday, before you posted this very hard-hitting analysis of the state of air travel in America, after I read about cheap and efficient motorcoach service between New York and Washington, I wrote, &quot;Why Can&#039;t an Airline be More Like a Bus Line?&quot; It&#039;s at http://travel-babel.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-cant-airline-be-more-like-bus-line.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comedians aside, there is NOTHING amusing about air travel these days. Yesterday, before you posted this very hard-hitting analysis of the state of air travel in America, after I read about cheap and efficient motorcoach service between New York and Washington, I wrote, &#8220;Why Can&#8217;t an Airline be More Like a Bus Line?&#8221; It&#8217;s at <a href="http://travel-babel.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-cant-airline-be-more-like-bus-line.html" rel="nofollow">http://travel-babel.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-cant-airline-be-more-like-bus-line.html</a></p>
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