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	<title>Comments on: Delta and United face steep fines for codesharing, denied-boarding violations</title>
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		<title>By: Government fines Continental, Hawaiian and US Airways for consumer rule violations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Government fines Continental, Hawaiian and US Airways for consumer rule violations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fines come on the heels of last month&#8217;s actions against Delta Air Lines and United for code-sharing and denied-boarding [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fines come on the heels of last month&#8217;s actions against Delta Air Lines and United for code-sharing and denied-boarding [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/delta-and-united-face-steep-fines-for-codesharing-denied-boarding-violations/comment-page-1/#comment-22496</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something needs to be done to get these airlines&#039; attention.

Continental&#039;s episode earlier this week with the babies trapped on the plane overnight without provision for food or water, and confined in a highly disease-prone environment (with the overfilled toilet), sounds like negligent child abuse--if not worse. Even negligent child abuse is a pretty serious crime, and I don&#039;t see why no one is talking about it.

Forget the piddly fines. An indictment or two might really set a different tone when it comes to passenger service.

M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something needs to be done to get these airlines&#8217; attention.</p>
<p>Continental&#8217;s episode earlier this week with the babies trapped on the plane overnight without provision for food or water, and confined in a highly disease-prone environment (with the overfilled toilet), sounds like negligent child abuse&#8211;if not worse. Even negligent child abuse is a pretty serious crime, and I don&#8217;t see why no one is talking about it.</p>
<p>Forget the piddly fines. An indictment or two might really set a different tone when it comes to passenger service.</p>
<p>M.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/delta-and-united-face-steep-fines-for-codesharing-denied-boarding-violations/comment-page-1/#comment-21274</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People if we are going to comment on the article written atleast read it through.  It stated that United didn&#039;t disclose the codeshare when the enforcement department called the reservation line.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The Office of Aviation Enforcement and Proceedings staff made a number of phone calls to United’s reservations line in January to determine if the airline’s employees were advising consumers of the code-share status of flights being operated by other carriers. The United reservations agents answering those calls failed to disclose the code-share status of the flights in question during a substantial number of those calls, according to the government.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People if we are going to comment on the article written atleast read it through.  It stated that United didn&#8217;t disclose the codeshare when the enforcement department called the reservation line.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The Office of Aviation Enforcement and Proceedings staff made a number of phone calls to United’s reservations line in January to determine if the airline’s employees were advising consumers of the code-share status of flights being operated by other carriers. The United reservations agents answering those calls failed to disclose the code-share status of the flights in question during a substantial number of those calls, according to the government.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Wm Hope</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/delta-and-united-face-steep-fines-for-codesharing-denied-boarding-violations/comment-page-1/#comment-21047</link>
		<dc:creator>Wm Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that, on airlines&#039; own and on aggregated sites, e.g. Orbitz, the codeshare info these days is ordinarily evident somewhere if one looks for it, and there are often icons to indicate the same so you&#039;ll be warned to look for the info (tho&#039; icons aren&#039;t standard from site to site).  However, if you aren&#039;t online, say you are paying the inane &quot;service&quot; charges to buy at airport, or over phone, do you get the info?  I&#039;m a bit dubious abt that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that, on airlines&#8217; own and on aggregated sites, e.g. Orbitz, the codeshare info these days is ordinarily evident somewhere if one looks for it, and there are often icons to indicate the same so you&#8217;ll be warned to look for the info (tho&#8217; icons aren&#8217;t standard from site to site).  However, if you aren&#8217;t online, say you are paying the inane &#8220;service&#8221; charges to buy at airport, or over phone, do you get the info?  I&#8217;m a bit dubious abt that.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/delta-and-united-face-steep-fines-for-codesharing-denied-boarding-violations/comment-page-1/#comment-20979</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carl:
It doesn&#039;t say that Delta misidentified code-share flights... it says that they bumped folks without compensation.  I agree completely with you about Delta--I&#039;ve _always_ seen the &quot;Operated by xxx Airline&quot; on their website, even if I didn&#039;t book on Delta.com (I always go in to check on my upgrades and seat assignments).  

United not indicating code-share flights?  This is iffy to me, since I&#039;ve seen in the past on their website that all flight numbers in certain sequences are operated by different carriers...  But who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carl:<br />
It doesn&#8217;t say that Delta misidentified code-share flights&#8230; it says that they bumped folks without compensation.  I agree completely with you about Delta&#8211;I&#8217;ve _always_ seen the &#8220;Operated by xxx Airline&#8221; on their website, even if I didn&#8217;t book on Delta.com (I always go in to check on my upgrades and seat assignments).  </p>
<p>United not indicating code-share flights?  This is iffy to me, since I&#8217;ve seen in the past on their website that all flight numbers in certain sequences are operated by different carriers&#8230;  But who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hammett</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Hammett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember once google adwords added links to &quot;Find inexpensive and used Flight Attendants&quot;  onto one of Christopher&#039;s pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember once google adwords added links to &#8220;Find inexpensive and used Flight Attendants&#8221;  onto one of Christopher&#8217;s pages.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/delta-and-united-face-steep-fines-for-codesharing-denied-boarding-violations/comment-page-1/#comment-20950</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carl, sometimes it seems that way, but in truth, the airlines have done this to themselves. I have a WordPress plug-in that automatically pulls the most relevant posts. Dates are clearly disclosed at the top of the post. There was no intent to add insult to injury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carl, sometimes it seems that way, but in truth, the airlines have done this to themselves. I have a WordPress plug-in that automatically pulls the most relevant posts. Dates are clearly disclosed at the top of the post. There was no intent to add insult to injury.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ref:  &quot;Similar Posts:&quot;
Re:  &quot;Phew! Delta strike averted&quot;
Dated:  April 14, 2006
WHY include a link to a story that is OVER THREE OLD, OUT OF DATE and TOTALLY IRRELEVANT?

Are you just so hung up on trying to present only negative comments about the travel business that you have to dig up stuff like this?

As far as Delta not indicating code sharing, I&#039;m rather surprised.  I book almost all of my flights via Delta.Com.  For at least the last several years, there has always been a note under the flight number such as &#039;Operated by Delta Connection carrier Comair.&#039;  Granted, I have not read the entire case, nor the consent order.  But what does &#039;Code Share&#039; have to do with bumping?  If you are going to report something like this, at least be thorough and complete in describing the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ref:  &#8220;Similar Posts:&#8221;<br />
Re:  &#8220;Phew! Delta strike averted&#8221;<br />
Dated:  April 14, 2006<br />
WHY include a link to a story that is OVER THREE OLD, OUT OF DATE and TOTALLY IRRELEVANT?</p>
<p>Are you just so hung up on trying to present only negative comments about the travel business that you have to dig up stuff like this?</p>
<p>As far as Delta not indicating code sharing, I&#8217;m rather surprised.  I book almost all of my flights via Delta.Com.  For at least the last several years, there has always been a note under the flight number such as &#8216;Operated by Delta Connection carrier Comair.&#8217;  Granted, I have not read the entire case, nor the consent order.  But what does &#8216;Code Share&#8217; have to do with bumping?  If you are going to report something like this, at least be thorough and complete in describing the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,  maybe you haven&#039;t been paying attention, but airlines are losing money.  A $175k fine for Delta essentially means they will lose another $175k this year.  I assure you heads are already rolling because of these fines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,  maybe you haven&#8217;t been paying attention, but airlines are losing money.  A $175k fine for Delta essentially means they will lose another $175k this year.  I assure you heads are already rolling because of these fines.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce InCharlotte</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/delta-and-united-face-steep-fines-for-codesharing-denied-boarding-violations/comment-page-1/#comment-20925</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce InCharlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, the government hasn&#039;t gone far enough. They should have required the carrier to reach out to those IDB&#039;s customers and inform them of their rights and supply a voucher for use on ANY airline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, the government hasn&#8217;t gone far enough. They should have required the carrier to reach out to those IDB&#8217;s customers and inform them of their rights and supply a voucher for use on ANY airline.</p>
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