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		<title>By: KatOvellextot</title>
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		<dc:creator>KatOvellextot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there

I thought that I would introduce me personally to the discussion board. 

I&#039;ve over heard various excellent posts pertaining to this forum therefore I have been loitering for quite a while being a guest just checking it out. 

Anyhow, I have just basically become a member and believe I am able to bring something helpful to the network. 

I really hope that this is right sub-forum to post this introduction in, if not, please tell me.

Warm Regards
KatOvellextot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there</p>
<p>I thought that I would introduce me personally to the discussion board. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve over heard various excellent posts pertaining to this forum therefore I have been loitering for quite a while being a guest just checking it out. </p>
<p>Anyhow, I have just basically become a member and believe I am able to bring something helpful to the network. </p>
<p>I really hope that this is right sub-forum to post this introduction in, if not, please tell me.</p>
<p>Warm Regards<br />
KatOvellextot</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m missing a detail, but I don&#039;t see anything in the bill something to the effect to display the entire fees to be charged in, say, one or all the pages consistently showing the price. Something like this:

1. An end user searches in American Airlines&#039; site.

2. AA gives results.

3. End user chooses desired flight/s.

4. AA&#039;s site displays only the base fare and whatever taxes it wants to show.

5. Next page then shows the base fare, whatever taxes, baggage fees, etc.

Perhaps the bill should specifically state the airline&#039;s site to show the base fare, taxes, fees, etc. from the time the end user chooses the flights up to the billing page?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m missing a detail, but I don&#8217;t see anything in the bill something to the effect to display the entire fees to be charged in, say, one or all the pages consistently showing the price. Something like this:</p>
<p>1. An end user searches in American Airlines&#8217; site.</p>
<p>2. AA gives results.</p>
<p>3. End user chooses desired flight/s.</p>
<p>4. AA&#8217;s site displays only the base fare and whatever taxes it wants to show.</p>
<p>5. Next page then shows the base fare, whatever taxes, baggage fees, etc.</p>
<p>Perhaps the bill should specifically state the airline&#8217;s site to show the base fare, taxes, fees, etc. from the time the end user chooses the flights up to the billing page?</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carver, I&#039;m switching sides...I&#039;m now with you.  While I was among the first who spoke openly about how offended I was way back when, I will say she has calmed down a LOT lately, and I haven&#039;t seen a truly offensive post in a long time (obsessions with spelling and inappropriate skewering of Senator Menendez notwithstanding - which I agree doesn&#039;t even compare to some of the earlier stuff).

Some articulate and clear-headed posts by Liz, KathyJ, and Lianne helped me to see that she really has improved, and I suspect she&#039;s gotten the message (in spades!) about what&#039;s okay and what&#039;s NOT okay to post on this forum.  So provided she continues to behave herself, I say let it go.  Christopher seems to have made the decision already - she&#039;s still on here posting, happily un-offensively.

Methinks some people just don&#039;t want to let go of the past!  I say, in this holiday season, let&#039;s all practice some forgive-and-forget, and move on.

Can we do that?  Those of you holding a grudge (and you know who you are)...let it go already!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carver, I&#8217;m switching sides&#8230;I&#8217;m now with you.  While I was among the first who spoke openly about how offended I was way back when, I will say she has calmed down a LOT lately, and I haven&#8217;t seen a truly offensive post in a long time (obsessions with spelling and inappropriate skewering of Senator Menendez notwithstanding &#8211; which I agree doesn&#8217;t even compare to some of the earlier stuff).</p>
<p>Some articulate and clear-headed posts by Liz, KathyJ, and Lianne helped me to see that she really has improved, and I suspect she&#8217;s gotten the message (in spades!) about what&#8217;s okay and what&#8217;s NOT okay to post on this forum.  So provided she continues to behave herself, I say let it go.  Christopher seems to have made the decision already &#8211; she&#8217;s still on here posting, happily un-offensively.</p>
<p>Methinks some people just don&#8217;t want to let go of the past!  I say, in this holiday season, let&#8217;s all practice some forgive-and-forget, and move on.</p>
<p>Can we do that?  Those of you holding a grudge (and you know who you are)&#8230;let it go already!</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/clear-airfares-act-of-2009-aims-to-expose-hidden-fees-and-taxes/comment-page-2/#comment-28347</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;ll enter this dust up.  I&#039;m AGAINST banning Barbie.  Her comments are often inane, but they haven&#039;t been objectively offensive lately.  I fear we are attacking her, more because of her opinions that because of anything really inappropriate.

In my opinion, people should be banned under very limited and clear situations.  Having strong opinions about breastfeeding, and the senator&#039;s ethics don&#039;t come close to justifying being banned. Let&#039;s ban people who use foul language or make personal attacks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;ll enter this dust up.  I&#8217;m AGAINST banning Barbie.  Her comments are often inane, but they haven&#8217;t been objectively offensive lately.  I fear we are attacking her, more because of her opinions that because of anything really inappropriate.</p>
<p>In my opinion, people should be banned under very limited and clear situations.  Having strong opinions about breastfeeding, and the senator&#8217;s ethics don&#8217;t come close to justifying being banned. Let&#8217;s ban people who use foul language or make personal attacks,</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/clear-airfares-act-of-2009-aims-to-expose-hidden-fees-and-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-28331</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear tell you folks gotta blogging problem you need fixin.  
There&#039;s no living with a killing. There&#039;s no goin&#039; back from one. Right or wrong, it&#039;s a brand... a brand sticks.

Here lies a low-down Yankee liar.
Nobody was faster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear tell you folks gotta blogging problem you need fixin.<br />
There&#8217;s no living with a killing. There&#8217;s no goin&#8217; back from one. Right or wrong, it&#8217;s a brand&#8230; a brand sticks.</p>
<p>Here lies a low-down Yankee liar.<br />
Nobody was faster</p>
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		<title>By: Hester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>barbie the only person who has spread hate on this blog has been you. Anyone who has been reading this site for a while is very familiar with your offensive and hate-spewing posts. Nobody took them out of context. You said what you said and no amount of backpedaling now can change that. They are all still here for anyone to see. 

There is no ringleader. I&#039;ve lost count of the number of regular posters in here who have commented on how objectionable your posts are. It&#039;s a veritable uprising! There was one person who had the backbone to first bring up the problem publicly, and I applaud her. But she was just one voice among many. Go count them up, barbie. See for yourself. 

And I think its pretty funny that you seem to be appealing to this last poster, Beth. Did you not read her post? Even she wrote that most of the turmoil in here is written or caused by you. So your appeal to he is ironic. I don&#039;t think you are going to find any sympathy there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>barbie the only person who has spread hate on this blog has been you. Anyone who has been reading this site for a while is very familiar with your offensive and hate-spewing posts. Nobody took them out of context. You said what you said and no amount of backpedaling now can change that. They are all still here for anyone to see. </p>
<p>There is no ringleader. I&#8217;ve lost count of the number of regular posters in here who have commented on how objectionable your posts are. It&#8217;s a veritable uprising! There was one person who had the backbone to first bring up the problem publicly, and I applaud her. But she was just one voice among many. Go count them up, barbie. See for yourself. </p>
<p>And I think its pretty funny that you seem to be appealing to this last poster, Beth. Did you not read her post? Even she wrote that most of the turmoil in here is written or caused by you. So your appeal to he is ironic. I don&#8217;t think you are going to find any sympathy there.</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/clear-airfares-act-of-2009-aims-to-expose-hidden-fees-and-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-28223</link>
		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;but strict regulation and laws have proven to not be very effective in keeping costs under control, regardless of the industry!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If anything, the bill&#039;s purpose is to force the airlines to state what fees are to be expected and &quot;appropriately&quot; charged as stated earlier. A question, then, is how will the travelling public react to this if it takes effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but strict regulation and laws have proven to not be very effective in keeping costs under control, regardless of the industry!</p></blockquote>
<p>If anything, the bill&#8217;s purpose is to force the airlines to state what fees are to be expected and &#8220;appropriately&#8221; charged as stated earlier. A question, then, is how will the travelling public react to this if it takes effect.</p>
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		<title>By: barbie45</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/clear-airfares-act-of-2009-aims-to-expose-hidden-fees-and-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-28209</link>
		<dc:creator>barbie45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beth, I have been the victim of a hate campaign. They have a ring leader who has taken postings I have written out of context. I had hoped this hate campaign would stop. For a while it did. I have been the victim of some of some pretty spiteful and darn right cruel comments. This ring leader has no expertise on any aspect of the travel industy. I enjoy this blog because of its excellent posts by Chris. I  have learned quite a bit from very well- written posts by people who have expertise in the legal and hopitality fields.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth, I have been the victim of a hate campaign. They have a ring leader who has taken postings I have written out of context. I had hoped this hate campaign would stop. For a while it did. I have been the victim of some of some pretty spiteful and darn right cruel comments. This ring leader has no expertise on any aspect of the travel industy. I enjoy this blog because of its excellent posts by Chris. I  have learned quite a bit from very well- written posts by people who have expertise in the legal and hopitality fields.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/clear-airfares-act-of-2009-aims-to-expose-hidden-fees-and-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-28204</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Clear Airfares Act
Thank you Senator Menendez for the bill and for doing your best to get it through Congress.  I have to admit to pessimism as to the final result because of the added &quot;pork&quot; that gets tacked on.  The original bill often seems lost in the mess.  However, I&#039;ll send my emails to my senators showing my support.

Re:  Barbie45
Until recently, I have been a &quot;road warrior&quot; for many years (1K or elite on mutiple carriers) and have enjoyed Christopher&#039;s Blog from the beginning.  There has been a solid base of like-minded business travelers and professionals in the travel industry.  I have relied quite a bit on the information here to help me as I now travel mostly for pleasure ( need to burn up those miles before they are totally useless!).  There have always been some &quot;ranters&quot; and an occasional nasty attack by a poster who doesn&#039;t return, but this year I have really noticed a distressing trend toward the kind of junk found on many general online blogs.  Unfortunately, I have to agree that most of the turmoil seems to be written or caused by Barbie45.  I was just about to dicontinue reading your blog, Christopher, when the first uprising happened.  After that she/he seemed to tone down the postings - I still don&#039;t understand her, but usually not as inflammatory.  

I appreciate the comments made by KathyJ and Liz - I can deal with spelling and grammar, but I don&#039;t come here for the nastiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Clear Airfares Act<br />
Thank you Senator Menendez for the bill and for doing your best to get it through Congress.  I have to admit to pessimism as to the final result because of the added &#8220;pork&#8221; that gets tacked on.  The original bill often seems lost in the mess.  However, I&#8217;ll send my emails to my senators showing my support.</p>
<p>Re:  Barbie45<br />
Until recently, I have been a &#8220;road warrior&#8221; for many years (1K or elite on mutiple carriers) and have enjoyed Christopher&#8217;s Blog from the beginning.  There has been a solid base of like-minded business travelers and professionals in the travel industry.  I have relied quite a bit on the information here to help me as I now travel mostly for pleasure ( need to burn up those miles before they are totally useless!).  There have always been some &#8220;ranters&#8221; and an occasional nasty attack by a poster who doesn&#8217;t return, but this year I have really noticed a distressing trend toward the kind of junk found on many general online blogs.  Unfortunately, I have to agree that most of the turmoil seems to be written or caused by Barbie45.  I was just about to dicontinue reading your blog, Christopher, when the first uprising happened.  After that she/he seemed to tone down the postings &#8211; I still don&#8217;t understand her, but usually not as inflammatory.  </p>
<p>I appreciate the comments made by KathyJ and Liz &#8211; I can deal with spelling and grammar, but I don&#8217;t come here for the nastiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/clear-airfares-act-of-2009-aims-to-expose-hidden-fees-and-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-28200</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To get back on topic here...
I don&#039;t know if a law will work here. Look at what the law to protect citizens against deceptive credit card practices is doing to the credit card industry...BofA charging 8% + Prime, Citibank charging 9%+ Prime! All in an effort to squeeze their fees in at the last minute so that they can be grandfathered in when the new laws take affect in January...
Now fees, interest and costs to own a credit card makes it prohibitive to even use the card!
I&#039;m afraid that the same thing will happen to the airline industry...and we will see plane tickets begin to spiral out of control! but...unfortunately, I don&#039;t have an answer either...but strict regulation and laws have proven to not be very effective in keeping costs under control, regardless of the industry!
Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To get back on topic here&#8230;<br />
I don&#8217;t know if a law will work here. Look at what the law to protect citizens against deceptive credit card practices is doing to the credit card industry&#8230;BofA charging 8% + Prime, Citibank charging 9%+ Prime! All in an effort to squeeze their fees in at the last minute so that they can be grandfathered in when the new laws take affect in January&#8230;<br />
Now fees, interest and costs to own a credit card makes it prohibitive to even use the card!<br />
I&#8217;m afraid that the same thing will happen to the airline industry&#8230;and we will see plane tickets begin to spiral out of control! but&#8230;unfortunately, I don&#8217;t have an answer either&#8230;but strict regulation and laws have proven to not be very effective in keeping costs under control, regardless of the industry!<br />
Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve emailed my two Senators - Go Therefore and Do Likewise.  Disclosing up front what your product costs is not unreasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve emailed my two Senators &#8211; Go Therefore and Do Likewise.  Disclosing up front what your product costs is not unreasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeAnne</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/clear-airfares-act-of-2009-aims-to-expose-hidden-fees-and-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-28098</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KathyJ - re my &quot;thesaurus&quot; comment - point taken, and mea culpa.  But the key is that I lost all vestiges of respect back when the racism and other offenses started.  So I acknowledge I have been less than kind.  I also acknowledge that I was kinda hoping that the wellspring of open distaste for her posts (by many more people than just me!) would cause her to go away.  If it doesn&#039;t, I will do my best to take the other Lianne&#039;s approach. ;-)  But I do draw the line at public racism, religious intolerance, and blatant attacks on groups of people.  I believe in standing up for what&#039;s right...and I will stand up to that.  Hopefully it won&#039;t come to that again.

Meanwhile, I have written MY Senator in support of this legislation...who else has?  Let&#039;s hear it! :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KathyJ &#8211; re my &#8220;thesaurus&#8221; comment &#8211; point taken, and mea culpa.  But the key is that I lost all vestiges of respect back when the racism and other offenses started.  So I acknowledge I have been less than kind.  I also acknowledge that I was kinda hoping that the wellspring of open distaste for her posts (by many more people than just me!) would cause her to go away.  If it doesn&#8217;t, I will do my best to take the other Lianne&#8217;s approach. ;-)  But I do draw the line at public racism, religious intolerance, and blatant attacks on groups of people.  I believe in standing up for what&#8217;s right&#8230;and I will stand up to that.  Hopefully it won&#8217;t come to that again.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I have written MY Senator in support of this legislation&#8230;who else has?  Let&#8217;s hear it! :-D</p>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/clear-airfares-act-of-2009-aims-to-expose-hidden-fees-and-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-28089</link>
		<dc:creator>Ames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Lianne

The legislation does look awesome!  We should all write to our Senators and tell them.

Right on !  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Lianne</p>
<p>The legislation does look awesome!  We should all write to our Senators and tell them.</p>
<p>Right on !  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Lianne</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/clear-airfares-act-of-2009-aims-to-expose-hidden-fees-and-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-28076</link>
		<dc:creator>Lianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This legislation looks awesome! 

And barbie who? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This legislation looks awesome! </p>
<p>And barbie who? ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: KathyJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KathyJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LeeAnne

&quot;it’s fine to suggest we ignore her, until she starts launching attacks on us.&quot;

Why can&#039;t the attacks be ignored, too? I mean, how does it really hurt you? I don&#039;t mean it&#039;s pleasant, but...how is it harmful? If the worst anyone can say about you is that you make typos, you&#039;re doing awfully well!

&quot;She does seem to be using the occasional multi-syllable word, so perhaps she bought herself a thesaurus.&quot;

As gently as I can say this (imagine the softest tone and body language you can--got it? ok, read on), isn&#039;t that the kind of comment to which you object? It would be funny if there was a basis of mutual respect between you, but since there&#039;s not...it&#039;s just funny at her expense, which is not exactly derogatory but is still Not Nice. You, being a writer, surely you use tools such as a thesaurus?

@Liz, I like the two-strikes deal and your take on ridiculous rules.

And yes, way to go Senator Menendez!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LeeAnne</p>
<p>&#8220;it’s fine to suggest we ignore her, until she starts launching attacks on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t the attacks be ignored, too? I mean, how does it really hurt you? I don&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s pleasant, but&#8230;how is it harmful? If the worst anyone can say about you is that you make typos, you&#8217;re doing awfully well!</p>
<p>&#8220;She does seem to be using the occasional multi-syllable word, so perhaps she bought herself a thesaurus.&#8221;</p>
<p>As gently as I can say this (imagine the softest tone and body language you can&#8211;got it? ok, read on), isn&#8217;t that the kind of comment to which you object? It would be funny if there was a basis of mutual respect between you, but since there&#8217;s not&#8230;it&#8217;s just funny at her expense, which is not exactly derogatory but is still Not Nice. You, being a writer, surely you use tools such as a thesaurus?</p>
<p>@Liz, I like the two-strikes deal and your take on ridiculous rules.</p>
<p>And yes, way to go Senator Menendez!</p>
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