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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/booking-an-airline-ticket-online-for-the-holidays-read-this-first/comment-page-1/#comment-25977</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly,
I&#039;m glad you figured out that using credit cards is in no way equivalent to &quot;spending what you don&#039;t have.&quot;  In fact, it is with a debit card that you can do that, since with the debit card you were overdrawn.  With a credit card you would not have been, because you wouldn&#039;t have owed the money until the due date on the bill. For me, common sense would be to use your credit card for travel purchases, and then just pay the bill when it arrives.  You aren&#039;t spending what you don&#039;t have, and you are protected from the shenanigans Orbitz put you through. There are millions of people who use credit cards and don&#039;t go into debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly,<br />
I&#8217;m glad you figured out that using credit cards is in no way equivalent to &#8220;spending what you don&#8217;t have.&#8221;  In fact, it is with a debit card that you can do that, since with the debit card you were overdrawn.  With a credit card you would not have been, because you wouldn&#8217;t have owed the money until the due date on the bill. For me, common sense would be to use your credit card for travel purchases, and then just pay the bill when it arrives.  You aren&#8217;t spending what you don&#8217;t have, and you are protected from the shenanigans Orbitz put you through. There are millions of people who use credit cards and don&#8217;t go into debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Lukanen</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/booking-an-airline-ticket-online-for-the-holidays-read-this-first/comment-page-1/#comment-25958</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Lukanen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the &quot;horses mouth&quot; herself:

My primary complaint was the customer service Orbitz was offering, or lack thereof, not so much the money (which was fully returned to me and no fees incurred).  The problem was brought to my attention when I looked online at my bank statement and I took immediate steps to resolve the problem.  However, I was not able to resolve this without the help of Orbitz and unfortunately the gentleman I spoke with was UNWILLING to assist me.  I even tried to take over his job for him and do a conference call with Orbitz, the bank, and myself.  The gentleman (I&#039;m being kind here) hung up on me.  We all know how frustrating it is to have to jump through hoops to get a live operator (by the way you have to press # 7 times when calling Orbitz to get a live agent), so by the time you get a live agent and tell your story, you are already drained and 20-30 minutes has gone by.  Now when they hang up on you, that just adds insult to injury.  The experience was very time consuming, and most certainly not how I want to spend my time. 

I will accept full responsibility for the &quot;poor&quot; management of my bank account as some of you have implied or stated, but I choose not to use credit cards.  Does this imply I have no common sense?  To some, it may, but I beg to differ.  

I travel frequently (try to about once a month) and always am looking for the best fare.  At times the airlines are cheaper, but more often than not, it is Orbitz that I found to be the least expensive option.  I had never experienced issues with them previously and was disheartened by the service I received when I had a history of booking as many trips as I have with them.  This was my reason not going to the airline directly.  

Sometimes in life we face obstacles, we learn.  However, I do not think it was necessary for me to be on a phone for over 2 hours to beg somebody to do their job.  Orbitz did follow up with me again and they have given me a $200 voucher for the inconvenience.  Would they have done this without Christopher&#039;s assistance?  Highly doubtful.  I am thankful he contacted them on my behalf and in the future, I will take the following into consideration:

1. Go directly to the airline for future purchases
2. Use other forms of payment other than a debit card

I always thought it was common sense that you shouldn&#039;t spend what you don&#039;t have (i.e. credit).  However, there is the alternative, purchase with a credit card and immediately transfer the funds.  You can be assured this is how I will proceed in the future.  

Thank you again to Christopher for his assistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the &#8220;horses mouth&#8221; herself:</p>
<p>My primary complaint was the customer service Orbitz was offering, or lack thereof, not so much the money (which was fully returned to me and no fees incurred).  The problem was brought to my attention when I looked online at my bank statement and I took immediate steps to resolve the problem.  However, I was not able to resolve this without the help of Orbitz and unfortunately the gentleman I spoke with was UNWILLING to assist me.  I even tried to take over his job for him and do a conference call with Orbitz, the bank, and myself.  The gentleman (I&#8217;m being kind here) hung up on me.  We all know how frustrating it is to have to jump through hoops to get a live operator (by the way you have to press # 7 times when calling Orbitz to get a live agent), so by the time you get a live agent and tell your story, you are already drained and 20-30 minutes has gone by.  Now when they hang up on you, that just adds insult to injury.  The experience was very time consuming, and most certainly not how I want to spend my time. </p>
<p>I will accept full responsibility for the &#8220;poor&#8221; management of my bank account as some of you have implied or stated, but I choose not to use credit cards.  Does this imply I have no common sense?  To some, it may, but I beg to differ.  </p>
<p>I travel frequently (try to about once a month) and always am looking for the best fare.  At times the airlines are cheaper, but more often than not, it is Orbitz that I found to be the least expensive option.  I had never experienced issues with them previously and was disheartened by the service I received when I had a history of booking as many trips as I have with them.  This was my reason not going to the airline directly.  </p>
<p>Sometimes in life we face obstacles, we learn.  However, I do not think it was necessary for me to be on a phone for over 2 hours to beg somebody to do their job.  Orbitz did follow up with me again and they have given me a $200 voucher for the inconvenience.  Would they have done this without Christopher&#8217;s assistance?  Highly doubtful.  I am thankful he contacted them on my behalf and in the future, I will take the following into consideration:</p>
<p>1. Go directly to the airline for future purchases<br />
2. Use other forms of payment other than a debit card</p>
<p>I always thought it was common sense that you shouldn&#8217;t spend what you don&#8217;t have (i.e. credit).  However, there is the alternative, purchase with a credit card and immediately transfer the funds.  You can be assured this is how I will proceed in the future.  </p>
<p>Thank you again to Christopher for his assistance.</p>
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		<title>By: barbie45</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/booking-an-airline-ticket-online-for-the-holidays-read-this-first/comment-page-1/#comment-25815</link>
		<dc:creator>barbie45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>patricia ; you are absolutely right; use cash for little things but please no major purchases; a debit card whether it says credit on it or cash still comes out of your guess what checking account; anyone with commom sense would know that; often thwe machine will say cash or credit; if you say credit you just sign instead of putting in your pin number; it comes out of guess what same place your checking account simple;and true banks are are cutting credit limits right and left; try using a card with a low balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>patricia ; you are absolutely right; use cash for little things but please no major purchases; a debit card whether it says credit on it or cash still comes out of your guess what checking account; anyone with commom sense would know that; often thwe machine will say cash or credit; if you say credit you just sign instead of putting in your pin number; it comes out of guess what same place your checking account simple;and true banks are are cutting credit limits right and left; try using a card with a low balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/booking-an-airline-ticket-online-for-the-holidays-read-this-first/comment-page-1/#comment-25811</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Fearlesstravels:
You ask &#039;what is she to do?&#039;  She could use a credit card instead of a debit card.  You ask &#039;how would it be different with a low balance credit card?&#039; It would be very different since the hold would not be on her real money and would therefore not jeopardize her ability to pay her regular bills or cause overdraft fees on her checking account.  That is an enormous difference, and I have to say I don&#039;t understand why people cannot seem to comprehend this difference.

You add that you don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with using cash if you have it on hand. That is your choice, but it is common knowledge that using cash for travel purchases is a very bad idea, as it leaves you with no protection whatsoever if something goes wrong or if a company does not deliver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Fearlesstravels:<br />
You ask &#8216;what is she to do?&#8217;  She could use a credit card instead of a debit card.  You ask &#8216;how would it be different with a low balance credit card?&#8217; It would be very different since the hold would not be on her real money and would therefore not jeopardize her ability to pay her regular bills or cause overdraft fees on her checking account.  That is an enormous difference, and I have to say I don&#8217;t understand why people cannot seem to comprehend this difference.</p>
<p>You add that you don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with using cash if you have it on hand. That is your choice, but it is common knowledge that using cash for travel purchases is a very bad idea, as it leaves you with no protection whatsoever if something goes wrong or if a company does not deliver.</p>
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		<title>By: barbie45</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/booking-an-airline-ticket-online-for-the-holidays-read-this-first/comment-page-1/#comment-25794</link>
		<dc:creator>barbie45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>both fearless and patricia are right; you are in a no win situation;I do not have Chris savy or expertise, but maybemakingt hese arrangements with a very reputable travel agent would help; it seems these three have outsourced to a group of foreigners who cannot understand colloquial English.; and who are are resentful towards Americans and say screw em</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>both fearless and patricia are right; you are in a no win situation;I do not have Chris savy or expertise, but maybemakingt hese arrangements with a very reputable travel agent would help; it seems these three have outsourced to a group of foreigners who cannot understand colloquial English.; and who are are resentful towards Americans and say screw em</p>
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		<title>By: @Fearlesstravels</title>
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		<dc:creator>@Fearlesstravels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orbitz has been doing this for years. Same thing happened to me in 2006 with a ticket purchase to China; I used Orbitz because it was the best price around for a flight from LA to Shanghai at that time.. Except that, I didn&#039;t end up with a ticket, and they put a hold on the funds. Bada Bing.

Patricia, et. al stating that using debit cards is a bad plan - what is she to do? Debit cards are like Check Cards, and can be run like Credit cards. How would this be any different if she had a low balance credit card she used and had the same issue occur? Credit card companies are in the process of reducing lines of credit available to even the high earning, high credit customers.

 I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything wrong with using a form of actual cash you have on hand now days, especially considering the way some card companies have been cutting available funds left and right. This is a problem with how the system handles tickets that aren&#039;t actually purchased, not with her form of payment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orbitz has been doing this for years. Same thing happened to me in 2006 with a ticket purchase to China; I used Orbitz because it was the best price around for a flight from LA to Shanghai at that time.. Except that, I didn&#8217;t end up with a ticket, and they put a hold on the funds. Bada Bing.</p>
<p>Patricia, et. al stating that using debit cards is a bad plan &#8211; what is she to do? Debit cards are like Check Cards, and can be run like Credit cards. How would this be any different if she had a low balance credit card she used and had the same issue occur? Credit card companies are in the process of reducing lines of credit available to even the high earning, high credit customers.</p>
<p> I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything wrong with using a form of actual cash you have on hand now days, especially considering the way some card companies have been cutting available funds left and right. This is a problem with how the system handles tickets that aren&#8217;t actually purchased, not with her form of payment.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/booking-an-airline-ticket-online-for-the-holidays-read-this-first/comment-page-1/#comment-25756</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carver:

She is not at fault for the actions of Orbitz or her bank.  I made that completely clear.  But she certainly needs to take responsibility for her OWN choice, which was to use a debit card to buy a plane ticket.  Yes she has every right to pay in whatever way she likes, but in the case of just about anything to do with travel, certain methods of payment such as cash and debit cards are extremely poor choices.  

She is responsible for her poor choice, regardless of whether she had sufficient funds.  Her story, and the millions of other stories that have been published about holds and overdrafts on bank accounts due to debit cards, is certainly proof of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carver:</p>
<p>She is not at fault for the actions of Orbitz or her bank.  I made that completely clear.  But she certainly needs to take responsibility for her OWN choice, which was to use a debit card to buy a plane ticket.  Yes she has every right to pay in whatever way she likes, but in the case of just about anything to do with travel, certain methods of payment such as cash and debit cards are extremely poor choices.  </p>
<p>She is responsible for her poor choice, regardless of whether she had sufficient funds.  Her story, and the millions of other stories that have been published about holds and overdrafts on bank accounts due to debit cards, is certainly proof of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/booking-an-airline-ticket-online-for-the-holidays-read-this-first/comment-page-1/#comment-25737</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the point so many of you &quot;Don&#039;t use debit cards for ...&quot; seem to be overlooking.

Using a debit card in these situations may be problematic, but it&#039;s not because of the debit card&#039;s inherent difference from a credit card (the source of the funds being your bank account instead of a credit line). The problem stems from the bank and vendors having designed a system that allows things like this to happen. No vendor should be able to place a hold on the funds in your account unless and until it has verified it is capable of delivering what it&#039;s selling.

Imagine going into a store to buy, say, a pile of clothes and being prepared to pay cash. The clerk quotes you a total of $248.77 and asks you &quot;prove&quot; you can pay the cash before she finishes ringing up the sale. So you take the $250 out of your wallet and hand it to the clerk. Suddenly, she says &quot;Oh, the register won&#039;t take the transaction. Or I can&#039;t read the tag on this item with my scanner. Or this item has been discontinued even though I have one in stock.&quot; Pick one. But you can&#039;t get your cash back for two, three or more days.

How long would anyone tolerate that? It&#039;s the same exact concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the point so many of you &#8220;Don&#8217;t use debit cards for &#8230;&#8221; seem to be overlooking.</p>
<p>Using a debit card in these situations may be problematic, but it&#8217;s not because of the debit card&#8217;s inherent difference from a credit card (the source of the funds being your bank account instead of a credit line). The problem stems from the bank and vendors having designed a system that allows things like this to happen. No vendor should be able to place a hold on the funds in your account unless and until it has verified it is capable of delivering what it&#8217;s selling.</p>
<p>Imagine going into a store to buy, say, a pile of clothes and being prepared to pay cash. The clerk quotes you a total of $248.77 and asks you &#8220;prove&#8221; you can pay the cash before she finishes ringing up the sale. So you take the $250 out of your wallet and hand it to the clerk. Suddenly, she says &#8220;Oh, the register won&#8217;t take the transaction. Or I can&#8217;t read the tag on this item with my scanner. Or this item has been discontinued even though I have one in stock.&#8221; Pick one. But you can&#8217;t get your cash back for two, three or more days.</p>
<p>How long would anyone tolerate that? It&#8217;s the same exact concept.</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/booking-an-airline-ticket-online-for-the-holidays-read-this-first/comment-page-1/#comment-25729</link>
		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Les - lucky you. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Les &#8211; lucky you. :)</p>
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		<title>By: barbie45</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/booking-an-airline-ticket-online-for-the-holidays-read-this-first/comment-page-1/#comment-25722</link>
		<dc:creator>barbie45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer Carver; of course you can use a debit card; it is your money; most experts in the finacial area recommend using a regular credit card. now if it were so called religious reasons just pay the total back at end of billing cycle; no interest ; the fact that she chose to use a debit card was the main source of her problem; does not matter if orbitz was wrong or her bank thatsthe way it is; Dont use debit credit cards for an expensive item, even common sense tells you that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer Carver; of course you can use a debit card; it is your money; most experts in the finacial area recommend using a regular credit card. now if it were so called religious reasons just pay the total back at end of billing cycle; no interest ; the fact that she chose to use a debit card was the main source of her problem; does not matter if orbitz was wrong or her bank thatsthe way it is; Dont use debit credit cards for an expensive item, even common sense tells you that.</p>
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