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		<title>By: Naoma Foreman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naoma Foreman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe anyone could STARVE in 7 hours.  Water would be needed,
but food, no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe anyone could STARVE in 7 hours.  Water would be needed,<br />
but food, no.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is total BS that this happened to these poor passengers. First leaving them locked in a sardine can for hours with no food, water, proper bathrooms or medical help is nuts. Then to have law enforcement treat everyone as if they were criminals?? People were just trying to get to their destinations. The last time I checked thats NOT illegal! I would have asked if we were being held hostage by the gestapo. I would sue the airlines AND law enforcement responsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is total BS that this happened to these poor passengers. First leaving them locked in a sardine can for hours with no food, water, proper bathrooms or medical help is nuts. Then to have law enforcement treat everyone as if they were criminals?? People were just trying to get to their destinations. The last time I checked thats NOT illegal! I would have asked if we were being held hostage by the gestapo. I would sue the airlines AND law enforcement responsible.</p>
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		<title>By: Mekhong Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mekhong Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m way late coming to this story, and earlier contributors have pretty much said it.

I will make this bit of comment.  I worked a brief while as a police officer in the U.S in the arly 1970&#039;s, then a much longer period in what amounted to a &quot;private polcie department&quot; -- a security company -- for considerably longer.

Even way back then, my colleagues far too often didn&#039;t take the &quot;Protect and Serve&quot; motto with the slightest degree of seriousness.  Their attitudes, most of the time, was more akin to &quot;Control and Convict.&quot;

And I have absolutely no beef with anyone willing to take up a badge and gun then hit the streets -- except when they forget what they&#039;re there for in the first place.

Law enforcement personnel in this case don&#039;t need counseling.  They need firing, and for a big news event to surround it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m way late coming to this story, and earlier contributors have pretty much said it.</p>
<p>I will make this bit of comment.  I worked a brief while as a police officer in the U.S in the arly 1970&#8242;s, then a much longer period in what amounted to a &#8220;private polcie department&#8221; &#8212; a security company &#8212; for considerably longer.</p>
<p>Even way back then, my colleagues far too often didn&#8217;t take the &#8220;Protect and Serve&#8221; motto with the slightest degree of seriousness.  Their attitudes, most of the time, was more akin to &#8220;Control and Convict.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I have absolutely no beef with anyone willing to take up a badge and gun then hit the streets &#8212; except when they forget what they&#8217;re there for in the first place.</p>
<p>Law enforcement personnel in this case don&#8217;t need counseling.  They need firing, and for a big news event to surround it.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, this is further proof of the breakdown of our society, as we are being maneuvered into becoming government sheep.  They have been training us to value security over liberty for years in the hope that we will lie down and take it as they move to their new &#039;One-world Government.&#039;  The people react by becoming desensitized to common decency.  Our airlines are a good example of what happens when you lose that sense of good citizenship.

Like one TSA official said, &quot;This is not about security.  This is about teaching the American public to stand in line and obey their government!&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, this is further proof of the breakdown of our society, as we are being maneuvered into becoming government sheep.  They have been training us to value security over liberty for years in the hope that we will lie down and take it as they move to their new &#8216;One-world Government.&#8217;  The people react by becoming desensitized to common decency.  Our airlines are a good example of what happens when you lose that sense of good citizenship.</p>
<p>Like one TSA official said, &#8220;This is not about security.  This is about teaching the American public to stand in line and obey their government!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Armin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 05:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where are all the politicians that talked about our &quot;Bill of Rights&quot; for travelers after the problems that passengers experienced at JFK Airport earlier this year? Typical, they all were talking to the press when it happened screaming loud demanding rights for travelers but when time is passing by everything is forgotten. But maybe I am wrong and I have missed the announcement. 

My Continental flight, last Continental flight from the airport out to Newark, was canceled today and all I got from Continental&#039;s Customer Care was - &quot;You get nothing because it was canceled due to weather - tough luck&quot; not even empathy. Funny enough FAA did not report any weather problems for Newark or my departure airport. I believe that they didn&#039;t have enough customers and made a decision to cancel rather spending fuel on not enough passengers to cover the cost for the flight. How about my hotel cost or offering to pay for a rental car?  

I want rights for all travelers. I have a tough time that have to accept the transportation terms dictated by the carriers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are all the politicians that talked about our &#8220;Bill of Rights&#8221; for travelers after the problems that passengers experienced at JFK Airport earlier this year? Typical, they all were talking to the press when it happened screaming loud demanding rights for travelers but when time is passing by everything is forgotten. But maybe I am wrong and I have missed the announcement. </p>
<p>My Continental flight, last Continental flight from the airport out to Newark, was canceled today and all I got from Continental&#8217;s Customer Care was &#8211; &#8220;You get nothing because it was canceled due to weather &#8211; tough luck&#8221; not even empathy. Funny enough FAA did not report any weather problems for Newark or my departure airport. I believe that they didn&#8217;t have enough customers and made a decision to cancel rather spending fuel on not enough passengers to cover the cost for the flight. How about my hotel cost or offering to pay for a rental car?  </p>
<p>I want rights for all travelers. I have a tough time that have to accept the transportation terms dictated by the carriers.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert H. Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert H. Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of writing a blog or reponding here to this horror story, everyone should copy the letter and send it to Continental Customer Care and request a response to let them know that it might affect our continued loyalty to them. I did.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of writing a blog or reponding here to this horror story, everyone should copy the letter and send it to Continental Customer Care and request a response to let them know that it might affect our continued loyalty to them. I did.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Barfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you on BWI being international.

But according to an article posted on ABC News on 08-14-2007: 
&quot;Continental Airlines said because Flight 1669 was international, federal law prohibited it from allowing passengers off the plane.&quot; 

(See &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/irate-airline-passengers-threaten-to-sue/20070814133609990001).&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/irate-airline-passengers-threaten-to-sue/20070814133609990001).&lt;/a&gt;

So either the government was just being contrary at the passengers&#039; expense or, maybe, somebody was lying somewhere??  (Boy, wouldn&#039;t THAT be a surprise!)


Mystery. 



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you on BWI being international.</p>
<p>But according to an article posted on ABC News on 08-14-2007:<br />
&#8220;Continental Airlines said because Flight 1669 was international, federal law prohibited it from allowing passengers off the plane.&#8221; </p>
<p>(See <a href="http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/irate-airline-passengers-threaten-to-sue/20070814133609990001)." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/irate-airline-passengers-threaten-to-sue/20070814133609990001" rel="nofollow">http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/irate-airline-passengers-threaten-to-sue/20070814133609990001</a>).</p>
<p>So either the government was just being contrary at the passengers&#8217; expense or, maybe, somebody was lying somewhere??  (Boy, wouldn&#8217;t THAT be a surprise!)</p>
<p>Mystery.</p>
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		<title>By: Cristina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baltimore&#039;s airport (BWI) is an international airport, its gates E are the ones that handle international traffic. I&#039;ve landed there many times from Europe. Whatever the reasons used to hold these poor people for hours on end at BWI, lack of facilities to process international flights is definitively not one of them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baltimore&#8217;s airport (BWI) is an international airport, its gates E are the ones that handle international traffic. I&#8217;ve landed there many times from Europe. Whatever the reasons used to hold these poor people for hours on end at BWI, lack of facilities to process international flights is definitively not one of them!</p>
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		<title>By: Barfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it was not *entirely* Continental&#039;s fault, according to the news articles I saw (though some of the airline&#039;s personnel seemed to make a bad problem worse).

The real fault was with the government, which did not want people to get off an international flight at a non-international airport, where there were no passport checking officers and machines. 

This government policy may not be not bad per se (who knows how many known terrorists might otherwise take random flights in the hope they&#039;d end up being diverted to non-international airports where they could slip into the country undetected?). 

However, the policy works badly when it&#039;s combined with the government&#039;s apparent complete lack of concern about what happens to the hundreds of human beings who then end up being stuck when planes are diverted. 

I say &quot;lack of concern&quot; because the government pursues its policy knowing that occasional forced diversions inevitably happen but it makes no provision whatsoever for the very predictable negative consequences of these diversions. It&#039;s all just kind of &quot;Oh, well...&quot; 

I&#039;ve endured one myself, in Orlando several years ago, and it&#039;s really that. Plus a guy with a big gun just outside the plane in the jetway, with the implicit threat that that carries for anyone dumb enough to care about liberty. (Orlando&#039;s an international facility, but our diverted plane landed at a time of day when the passport guys weren&#039;t on duty.) 

I&#039;m not saying it would be cheap to provide proper facilities to accommodate the affected travelers in these situations, but these expenses are properly part of the cost of the government&#039;s current policy--and the costs should not be foisted off on members of the travelling public without warning. 

At very least they could provide a notice &quot;If your flight cannot for some reason land as scheduled at an international airport, you may be held in captivity on the aircraft or elsewhere for an indefinite period of time, possibly without food, proper toilet facilities, sleeping accommodations, or other normal human amentities, and you will be subject to arrest, prosecution and imprisonment for a term of several years if you try to escape.&quot;

B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it was not *entirely* Continental&#8217;s fault, according to the news articles I saw (though some of the airline&#8217;s personnel seemed to make a bad problem worse).</p>
<p>The real fault was with the government, which did not want people to get off an international flight at a non-international airport, where there were no passport checking officers and machines. </p>
<p>This government policy may not be not bad per se (who knows how many known terrorists might otherwise take random flights in the hope they&#8217;d end up being diverted to non-international airports where they could slip into the country undetected?). </p>
<p>However, the policy works badly when it&#8217;s combined with the government&#8217;s apparent complete lack of concern about what happens to the hundreds of human beings who then end up being stuck when planes are diverted. </p>
<p>I say &#8220;lack of concern&#8221; because the government pursues its policy knowing that occasional forced diversions inevitably happen but it makes no provision whatsoever for the very predictable negative consequences of these diversions. It&#8217;s all just kind of &#8220;Oh, well&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve endured one myself, in Orlando several years ago, and it&#8217;s really that. Plus a guy with a big gun just outside the plane in the jetway, with the implicit threat that that carries for anyone dumb enough to care about liberty. (Orlando&#8217;s an international facility, but our diverted plane landed at a time of day when the passport guys weren&#8217;t on duty.) </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it would be cheap to provide proper facilities to accommodate the affected travelers in these situations, but these expenses are properly part of the cost of the government&#8217;s current policy&#8211;and the costs should not be foisted off on members of the travelling public without warning. </p>
<p>At very least they could provide a notice &#8220;If your flight cannot for some reason land as scheduled at an international airport, you may be held in captivity on the aircraft or elsewhere for an indefinite period of time, possibly without food, proper toilet facilities, sleeping accommodations, or other normal human amentities, and you will be subject to arrest, prosecution and imprisonment for a term of several years if you try to escape.&#8221;</p>
<p>B.</p>
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		<title>By: Claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honey has the right idea. I&#039;ve just sent my e-mail out. It&#039;s time to put pressure on airlines to empower their employees to use common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honey has the right idea. I&#8217;ve just sent my e-mail out. It&#8217;s time to put pressure on airlines to empower their employees to use common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just sent an online comment to Continental:

&quot;I am in the process of booking flights between Dublin and the New York area for after Christmas. I was considering using Continental but after reading about what happened to the passengers of flight 1669Y from Caracas to Newark on July 29 , I refuse to allow any chance of my family of four being held hostage in that manner and treated so horribly.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just sent an online comment to Continental:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am in the process of booking flights between Dublin and the New York area for after Christmas. I was considering using Continental but after reading about what happened to the passengers of flight 1669Y from Caracas to Newark on July 29 , I refuse to allow any chance of my family of four being held hostage in that manner and treated so horribly.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Shenker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Shenker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traveling was once fun.  There were businesses that transported us and took care of us and received us, and they all tried to pamper us.  Making travelers feel special was the product they offered.  Travelers should still want such service, and ask for it.  But, travelers should not predict it anymore.

So it is with airlines, where the bottom line has become simple:  Passengers are cargo.  Thus, airlines view customer service, at least implicitly, as something to get around or, at best, put up with, and as seldom as possible.  The goal of an airline is to move as much cargo (i.e. us) for the lowest possible cost and highest possible revenue.  Most airlines still lose money doing so.

An airline (indeed, any business) misses an opportunity with this shortsighted view.  As a customer, I will change plans and pay more if I can truly depend on getting service that is pleasant, effortful, polite, and competent.  I look for chances to do so.  As consumers we all should.  We should say what we want, politely but clearly and assertively.  We should vote with our pocketbook where we can.  

In the meantime, when you do dare to travel, be pragmatic: Do not predict that you are going to be treated well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traveling was once fun.  There were businesses that transported us and took care of us and received us, and they all tried to pamper us.  Making travelers feel special was the product they offered.  Travelers should still want such service, and ask for it.  But, travelers should not predict it anymore.</p>
<p>So it is with airlines, where the bottom line has become simple:  Passengers are cargo.  Thus, airlines view customer service, at least implicitly, as something to get around or, at best, put up with, and as seldom as possible.  The goal of an airline is to move as much cargo (i.e. us) for the lowest possible cost and highest possible revenue.  Most airlines still lose money doing so.</p>
<p>An airline (indeed, any business) misses an opportunity with this shortsighted view.  As a customer, I will change plans and pay more if I can truly depend on getting service that is pleasant, effortful, polite, and competent.  I look for chances to do so.  As consumers we all should.  We should say what we want, politely but clearly and assertively.  We should vote with our pocketbook where we can.  </p>
<p>In the meantime, when you do dare to travel, be pragmatic: Do not predict that you are going to be treated well.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lead for this post says trapped. This is the wrong word to use. These people were held hostage. What is more shocking than this story is took so long for it to make it to the national news. Perhaps they were to busy reporting on hollywood stars and/or congress signing away the rights of American people to a president bent on spying on American&#039;s phone calls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lead for this post says trapped. This is the wrong word to use. These people were held hostage. What is more shocking than this story is took so long for it to make it to the national news. Perhaps they were to busy reporting on hollywood stars and/or congress signing away the rights of American people to a president bent on spying on American&#8217;s phone calls.</p>
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		<title>By: T Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I have already decided that if we are held prisoner on a plane for over one hour, I will fake a heart attack.  Many people go into hosptials thinking they are having heart attacks when it is simply a stomach ailment or even a panic attack, so there will not be any &quot;he must have been faking&quot; from the airline.

If we all agree to do this, what airline will take the risk to not allow someone to disembark due to a heart attack?  I think we got them beat now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I have already decided that if we are held prisoner on a plane for over one hour, I will fake a heart attack.  Many people go into hosptials thinking they are having heart attacks when it is simply a stomach ailment or even a panic attack, so there will not be any &#8220;he must have been faking&#8221; from the airline.</p>
<p>If we all agree to do this, what airline will take the risk to not allow someone to disembark due to a heart attack?  I think we got them beat now.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia Vining</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonia Vining</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbelieveable.  Just unbelieveable.  These runway strandings have happened how many times now this year?  When will the airlines be called to task for this?!  Prisoners in jails are treated better than airline passengers, it seems.  So long as big business effectively runs the government, I guess we can expect this kind of treatment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelieveable.  Just unbelieveable.  These runway strandings have happened how many times now this year?  When will the airlines be called to task for this?!  Prisoners in jails are treated better than airline passengers, it seems.  So long as big business effectively runs the government, I guess we can expect this kind of treatment&#8230;</p>
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